Transgender Slaughters 3 Kids and 3 Adults at Christian Elementary School in Nashville

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Why do Americans want to shoot each other more than any other country?

Once again, you're starting to ask the right questions.  It seems we obviously have a culture problem.  Our country has terrible leadership as well.

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4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Mass shootings, school shootings, the AR-15 is the gun of choice.  You would think it's something we would like to stop.

Incorrect. We have mass shootings every weekend in Chicago and it is OVERWHELMINGLY handguns, you d@ouche.  The numbers don't lie, but clearly you are.

Again, WTF don't you understand?   You have a hard time with numbers?  Or are you just happy regurgitating your slurp from the DNC Glory Hole?

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Once again, you're starting to ask the right questions.  It seems we obviously have a culture problem.  Our country has terrible leadership as well.

We need to enforce the laws we have right now, while new ones are being worked out. But when you have left wing DA’s  not pursuing gun violence with vigor nothing gets better. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Once again, you're starting to ask the right questions.  It seems we obviously have a culture problem.  Our country has terrible leadership as well.

Somalia has less gun deaths per capita than the US.  Somalia has a better culture than we do?  We should look to Somalia for lessons here?

[wiffleball 4,788]

TMZ has footage of the shooter being taken down.

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[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Somalia has less gun deaths per capita than the US.  Somalia has a better culture than we do?  We should look to Somalia for lessons here?

Tell me what life is like in Somalia?  Is it a place you would like to live since they have fewer gun deaths?

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[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Tell me what life is like in Somalia?  Is it a place you would like to live since they have fewer gun deaths?

Absolutely not.  But you said the problem we have is our culture, and not the guns.  So that tells me we find a country with less gun deaths, and we find a better culture.  Somalia has less gun deaths.

Unless of course, maybe it is the guns?

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On 3/27/2023 at 11:55 AM, GutterBoy said:

Good thing the Republicans got all those obscene books out of the library or this could have been much more deadly.

Good thing a good guy with a gun showed up and stopped the shooting.  Otherwise it wouldn't have stopped. Oh wait.... yeah...I suppose a negotiator woulda showed up and talked some sense into the person.  It's best to talk things out.

And another thing. I thought that school was gun free zone?  I don't get it.  How does a gun wander into a gun free zone?

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Absolutely not.  But you said the problem we have is our culture, and not the guns.  So that tells me we find a country with less gun deaths, and we find a better culture.  Somalia has less gun deaths.

Unless of course, maybe it is the guns?

You honestly believe that if we no longer had guns we would be a better country?

When I see this topic talked about it reminds me of a Simpsons Halloween episode when they decided to destroy all of their weapons.  As soon as they did, they were attacked by aliens and had no way to defend themselves.

[League Champion 1,896]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Absolutely not.  But you said the problem we have is our culture, and not the guns.  So that tells me we find a country with less gun deaths, and we find a better culture.  Somalia has less gun deaths.

Unless of course, maybe it is the guns?

We have more Trannies per Capita, thus more violence, thus more gun violence. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Once again, you're starting to ask the right questions.  It seems we obviously have a culture problem.  Our country has terrible leadership as well.

We for sure have a culture problem and not just when it comes to violence IMO. We have a lack of common beliefs and sense of pride in our nation. We have a lack of value for the family, and I’m far from what people would call a conservative Christian. We have a lack of work ethic and what seems to be a culture of victimhood. We seem to be unraveling as a nation and I’m not sure how we put this mess back together. 

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4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Unless of course, maybe it is the guns?

I bet the citizens of Ukraine wish they had guns right about now. Ohhh wait, we are handing out guns to all Ukrainian citizens as we speak. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You honestly believe that if we no longer had guns we would be a better country?

When I see this topic talked about it reminds me of a Simpsons Halloween episode when they decided to destroy all of their weapons.  As soon as they did, they were attacked by aliens and had no way to defend themselves.

I honestly believe if we made semi auto rifles harder or impossible to get, then we would have less school/mass shootings and casualties, yes.  At least it's worth a try.

Or just say fock it and wait for this to happen again next month.

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1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

We for sure have a culture problem and not just when it comes to violence IMO. We have a lack of common beliefs and sense of pride in our nation. We have a lack of value for the family, and I’m far from what people would call a conservative Christian. We have a lack of work ethic and what seems to be a culture of victimhood. We seem to be unraveling as a nation and I’m not sure how we put this mess back together. 

All thanks to the Democrats. 

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I honestly believe if we made semi auto rifles harder or impossible to get, then we would have less school/mass shootings and casualties, yes.  At least it's worth a try.

Or just say fock it and wait for this to happen again next month.

How about we take away free speech too?  It's worth a try, no? 

GFY, commie.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

We for sure have a culture problem and not just when it comes to violence IMO. We have a lack of common beliefs and sense of pride in our nation. We have a lack of value for the family, and I’m far from what people would call a conservative Christian. We have a lack of work ethic and what seems to be a culture of victimhood. We seem to be unraveling as a nation and I’m not sure how we put this mess back together. 

I agree but that comes with being a free country.  People are going to do what they want.  Each generation changes.  Sometimes it's for the better and sometimes it's for the worse.  If things continue to get worse then we will eventually see a correction.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I honestly believe if we made semi auto rifles harder or impossible to get, then we would have less school/mass shootings and casualties, yes.  At least it's worth a try.

Or just say fock it and wait for this to happen again next month.

I've had that discussion with others as well.  I can see it helping in some ways but then it also goes against the 2nd Amendment.

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10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Somalia has less gun deaths per capita than the US.  Somalia has a better culture than we do?  We should look to Somalia for lessons here?

Yeah, I’m sure the warlords in Al-shabab are big on accurately reporting their kills. Also, are you counting when they chop heads off? Also , homosexuality is illegal in Somalia. Death penalty. Nice place you picked for a comparison. 

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

honestly believe if we made semi auto rifles harder or impossible to get, then we would have less school/mass shootings and casualties, yes.  At least it's worth a try.

Well then they'll use a semi-auto handun or a semi-auto short barrel shotgun. Or maybe a car, or maybe Fentanyl, or maybe cigarettes, or maybe fast food or maybe a steak knife or maybe plastic straws or maybe a gas stove, or maybe Biden's favorite ice cream or maybe skittles or maybe a MAGA Hat????

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23 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Mass shootings, school shootings, the AR-15 is the gun of choice.  You would think it's something we would like to stop.

Why do you think the AR is the weapon of choice?

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I agree but that comes with being a free country.  People are going to do what they want.  Each generation changes.  Sometimes it's for the better and sometimes it's for the worse.  If things continue to get worse then we will eventually see a correction.

I hope so. I’m not so sure. We have a swelling number of people who don’t see value in our once shared beliefs or our system. Assuming they get to the numbers to take power and eliminate those systems we are doomed. That’s not even accounting for the Chinese threat, which no doubt helps to subtly encourage this degrading of our society. 

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7 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Well then they'll use a semi-auto handun or a semi-auto short barrel shotgun. Or maybe a car, or maybe Fentanyl, or maybe cigarettes, or maybe fast food or maybe a steak knife or maybe plastic straws or maybe a gas stove, or maybe Biden's favorite ice cream or maybe skittles or maybe a MAGA Hat????

GutterTrash: BAN THEM ALL!  THEY ALL SCARY!!!

 

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19 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

TMZ has footage of the shooter being taken down.

That was a very well done clearing operation. I've done a couple CQB clearing classes and those guys were on point. Couple crossing into lines of fire, but under the circumstances I can understand.

All in all that was amazing work by the police. 

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

GutterTrash: BAN THEM ALL!  THEY ALL SCARY!!!

 

Ohh, I forgot statues. Apparently Liberals are afraid of statues to. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I've had that discussion with others as well.  I can see it helping in some ways but then it also goes against the 2nd Amendment.

Not really 

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She brought an AR-15, but from the videos she was using mostly a kel-tec sub2000 9mm. But I'm sure the AR is gonna get all the play.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

15 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Why do you think the AR is the weapon of choice?

Quick to kill, easy to handle, large capacity, etc

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22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, I’m sure the warlords in Al-shabab are big on accurately reporting their kills. Also, are you counting when they chop heads off? Also , homosexuality is illegal in Somalia. Death penalty. Nice place you picked for a comparison. 

Less gun deaths than the US.  But it's not the guns.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Quick to kill, easy to handle, large capacity, etc

You can do that with any rifle though.  Do you think if all the modifications to rifles were banned that it would make a difference.  It wouldn't bother me at all but I don't see how it would change anything.

[Fireballer 2,639]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Quick to kill, easy to handle, large capacity, etc

So why don’t people choose any of the vast array of rifles with the exact same characteristics?  

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46 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Mass shootings, school shootings, the AR-15 is the gun of choice.  You would think it's something we would like to stop.

You are ignorant of the facts.

14 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Here’s the real truth, from a reputable source that actually cites where its numbers came from.  The data here is from 2030:

45,222 gun-related deaths, mostly suicides

19,384 gun-related murders

2.6% (513) of gun-related murders were due to mass shootings

3.0% (581) of gun-related murders were done with rifles – the category that includes “assault weapons”

Assault weapons and mass shootings aren’t the problem here.  It’s handgun murders, mostly in Democrat-run cities, and exacerbated ultra-Liberal DA’s, “defund the police” movements, no cash bail, etc. If Liberals really want to lower the number of gun-related homicides, get your focking house in order and stop going light on crime.

 

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10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Quick to kill, easy to handle, large capacity, etc

Wrong. It's cumbersome, harder & slower to load, not concealable, awkward & heavier than a 9mm or other handgun. 

AR-15 and other "long guns" are intended for down range accuracy, not close quarters such as a school or crowded places. 

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52 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

TMZ has footage of the shooter being taken down.

Just saw it.  Not super clear but it looks like a fantastic shot by the cop.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

5 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Wrong. It's cumbersome, harder & slower to load, not concealable, awkward & heavier than a 9mm or other handgun. 

AR-15 and other "long guns" are intended for down range accuracy, not close quarters such as a school or crowded places. 

Then why have all the recent mass murders used them?

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2 hours ago, squistion said:

A generalization based on a small sample size and with no basis in fact. 

Here is a paper from the UK showing that trans women (MTF) commit violent crimes at the rate of men, not women.  So no evidence that they are worse than men, but their behavior is that of men.  So they are biologically not women and behaviorally not women, but our society should treat them entirely as women?

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MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending. The group examined were those who committed to surgery, and so were more tightly defined than a population based solely on self-declaration. Written evidence submitted by Professor Rosa Freedman, Professor Kathleen Stock and Professor Alice Sullivan [GRA2021] The study provides strong evidence that policy makers cannot safely assume (a) that transwomen’s offending patterns, including violent offending, will be significantly different than those of the general male population or (b) that they will be similar to those of the general female population.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

 

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I read that the shooter had "high-functioning autism."

I linked to a Jordan Harbinger pod recently which talked about the strong correlation between gender dysphoria and autism, anxiety, and other problems which all connect through the umbrella of "social discomfort."   If you want to listen to it I can track down the link, it's fascinating.

50 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Absolutely not.  But you said the problem we have is our culture, and not the guns.  So that tells me we find a country with less gun deaths, and we find a better culture.  Somalia has less gun deaths.

Unless of course, maybe it is the guns?

 

16 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Less gun deaths than the US.  But it's not the guns.

You keep saying guns, not just deaths.  Are there an equal number of guns in Somalia?  Are you honestly arguing that Somalia is less violent than the US?  

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Then why have all the recent mass murders used them?

Because they think they look cool. They play too many video games and watch too much CNN. 

I could carry 6 handguns for every AR and you'd never know it. The last thing I would want is an AR in that situation. These aren't exactly rocket scientists carrying out these attacks. 

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Here is a paper from the UK showing that trans women (MTF) commit violent crimes at the rate of men, not women.  So no evidence that they are worse than men, but their behavior is that of men.  So they are biologically not women and behaviorally not women, but our society should treat them entirely as women?

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

 

I linked to a Jordan Harbinger pod recently which talked about the strong correlation between gender dysphoria and autism, anxiety, and other problems which all connect through the umbrella of "social discomfort."   If you want to listen to it I can track down the link, it's fascinating.

 

You keep saying guns, not just deaths.  Are there an equal number of guns in Somalia?  Are you honestly arguing that Somalia is less violent than the US?  

I'm saying that we have so many mass shootings/school shootings because we have easy access to guns.  Others are saying it's not the guns, but rather the culture.

I used somalia as an example where guns are illegal but they have a sh1t culture, but less gun deaths per Capita than we do, less school shootings, mass shootings, etc.

So maybe guns play a factor here?

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Here is a paper from the UK showing that trans women (MTF) commit violent crimes at the rate of men, not women.  So no evidence that they are worse than men, but their behavior is that of men.  So they are biologically not women and behaviorally not women, but our society should treat them entirely as women?

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Those crime rates are interesting but completely irrelevant to the thread topic which is about this particular shooter, who was not a MTF trans woman.