Transgender Slaughters 3 Kids and 3 Adults at Christian Elementary School in Nashville

[The Real timschochet 6,847]

4 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Why not just limit the number and types of guns people can buy?  Start with the AR-15, the number one weapon of choice for mass shootings.

Because honest responsible people, some of them whom I know personally, own AR-15s and are not a threat to anyone. I am a liberal but I also at least try to be a fair minded person, and I cant justify punishing responsible AR-15 owners in the hope of reducing mass shootings. 

[League Champion 1,911]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Because honest responsible people, some of them whom I know personally, own AR-15s

I have (4) AR-15s. All of which I use for hunting and target shooting. After that they go back in their gun safe to live a lonely existence. 

Not one person dead, isn't that unbelievable? 

[The Real timschochet 6,847]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

 

The countries listed don’t have private gun ownership on a large scale basis. We do, and it’s impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. 

[The Real timschochet 6,847]

Just now, League Champion said:

I have (4) AR-15s. All of which I use for hunting and target shooting. After that they go back in their gun safe to live a lonely existence. 

Not one person dead, isn't that unbelievable? 

Well that’s just it. I don’t think you should be punished for what a few crazies do. Doesn’t sit right with me. 

Now I am in favor of universal background checks and universal gun registration as well. I think that those will do much to reduce gun violence in general- but not mass shootings. I don’t really see any way to reduce mass shootings. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because honest responsible people, some of them whom I know personally, own AR-15s and are not a threat to anyone. I am a liberal but I also at least try to be a fair minded person, and I cant justify punishing responsible AR-15 owners in the hope of reducing mass shootings. 

We all gotta make some sacrifices and accept what it takes to keep each other safer.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The countries listed don’t have private gun ownership on a large scale basis. We do, and it’s impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. 

Nothing is impossible.

[The Real timschochet 6,847]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

We all gotta make some sacrifices and accept what it takes to keep each other safer.

if you can prove that making it illegal for @League Champion to own AR-15s would make us all safer then I’m for it. But I don’t think you can prove that. So why should he have to make a sacrifice? 

[squistion 2,227]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

if you can prove that making it illegal for @League Champion to own AR-15s would make us all safer then I’m for it. But I don’t think you can prove that. So why should he have to make a sacrifice? 

Calling upon people to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the country is not unreasonable, IMO. 

[The Real timschochet 6,847]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Calling upon people to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the country is not unreasonable, IMO. 

No it isn’t IF you can demonstrate that a greater good will result. Otherwise it becomes a form of punishment against those we might dislike. 

[posty 2,714]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Calling upon people to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the country is not unreasonable, IMO. 

This has to be one of the stupidest comments on this board...

[Strike 5,590]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

Calling upon people to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the country is not unreasonable, IMO. 

Well then you should delete your account.   TIA. 

[lod001 1,344]

24 minutes ago, League Champion said:

I have (4) AR-15s. All of which I use for hunting and target shooting. After that they go back in their gun safe to live a lonely existence. 

Not one person dead, isn't that unbelievable? 

That's truly incredible!!! How are those guns not killing people?

[lod001 1,344]

Just now, posty said:

This has to be one of the stupidest comments on this board...

Its squshy. He was a retard at Antifaguys. He's a retard here. Only difference is that you can call him a retard and he can't do anything about it.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

We all gotta make some sacrifices and accept what it takes to keep each other safer.

We could take away everyone’s freedoms and let the government control everything. We could have a dystopian society and keep everyone safe. Sounds great. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

• Radicalization of young people over the past 20 years due to Social Media.  This goes for almost any "group".
• Over-prescription of medication for kids and young adults.
• Destruction of the traditional family unit, fatherless homes, etc.
• Main Stream Media and government dividing America because its in *their* self interest.

We can argue about which exact guns should be illegal all we want, and its a legitimate and fair discussion.  However at the end of the day its treating a symptom of the disease and not the root cause itself.  Guns have been around since America's inception but school shootings like this are a relatively new phenomenon it America's history. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

• Radicalization of young people over the past 20 years due to Social Media.  This goes for almost any "group".
• Over-prescription of medication for kids and young adults.
• Destruction of the traditional family unit, fatherless homes, etc.
• Main Stream Media and government dividing America because its in *their* self interest.

We can argue about which exact guns should be illegal all we want, and its a legitimate and fair discussion.  However at the end of the day its treating a symptom of the disease and not the root cause itself.  Guns have been around since America's inception but school shootings like this are a relatively new phenomenon it America's history. 

Well said. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Let's all remember, there can be

 no slaughter

 without laughter.

 

 

English is weird.

[wiffleball 4,790]

22 minutes ago, squistion said:

Calling upon people to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the country is not unreasonable, IMO. 

The Gubmint can have my smallpox collection when they pry it out of my cold dead microscope. 

[Fireballer 2,643]

47 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

We all gotta make some sacrifices and accept what it takes to keep each other safer.

 

 

32 minutes ago, squistion said:

Calling upon people to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the country is not unreasonable, IMO. 

Y’all are correct.  Mentally ill should have to self commit to institutions.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,133]

35 minutes ago, squistion said:

Calling upon people to make a sacrifice for the greater good of the country is not unreasonable, IMO. 

GFY.

How about you give up your free speech for the greater good?  I think we can all say the less you talk and post, the better everyone's lives are.

 And yet, like a good liberal sheep, you'll expect others to sacrifice but you won't actually do any sacrificing yourself.  There's a reason the word "hypocrite" is synonymous with "liberal".  You can take that to the bank.

[KSB2424 3,148]

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The American republic was founded on a set of beliefs that were tested during the Revolutionary War. Among them was the idea that all people are created equal, whether European, Native American, or African American, and that these people have fundamental rights, such as liberty, free speech, freedom of religion, due process of law, and freedom of assembly. America’s revolutionaries openly discussed these concepts. Many Americans agreed with them but some found that the ideology was far more acceptable in the abstract than in practice.

“Congress have judged it necessary to dissolve the Connection between Great Britain and the American Colonies. . . .”

John Hancock to George Washington, July 6, 1776

 

The United States of America is a 247 year old experiment as a melting pot for all people, with certain individual rights.  We're not The Netherlands which is like being a member of a Country Club.  98% white, you pay alot of dues (taxes) and you get cool stuff, but it's exclusive.  On the other end of the spectrum, since it was brought up already is Somalia.  People are either afraid of the Prime Minister or the corrupt people therein who rule with fear.

America is a unicorn for better or for worse.  We welcome anyone (who comes legally) and rely on individual rights and what used to be a meritocracy.  It's why people  have always flocked here, and still do.  The 2nd Amendment is part and parcel of this agreement, not to say its absolute but its part of it.  For better or worse. 

[dogcows 1,030]

22 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

• Radicalization of young people over the past 20 years due to Social Media.  This goes for almost any "group".
• Over-prescription of medication for kids and young adults.
• Destruction of the traditional family unit, fatherless homes, etc.
• Main Stream Media and government dividing America because its in *their* self interest.

We can argue about which exact guns should be illegal all we want, and its a legitimate and fair discussion.  However at the end of the day its treating a symptom of the disease and not the root cause itself.  Guns have been around since America's inception but school shootings like this are a relatively new phenomenon it America's history. 

If that’s the real problem, why is America the only country with hundreds of mass shootings each year? Other countries have all the same societal problems as America, and far worse ones in many cases. And yet… they aren’t averaging more than 1 mass shooting per day like the good ol’ USA.

It’s beyond simple. We have more guns than people. That’s it. All that other stuff is grasping at straws by people who care more about guns than kids. Keep looking for excuses and ignoring the 800-lb gorilla in the room. And I guarantee it will not fix anything. Kids will keep getting murdered until we restrict guns. 

[jonmx 2,429]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

GFY.

How about you give up your free speech for the greater good?  I think we can all say the less you talk and post, the better everyone's lives are.

 And yet, like a good liberal sheep, you'll expect others to sacrifice but you won't actually do any sacrificing yourself.  You can take that to the bank.

That is the typical authoritarian useful idiot.  They think they are part of the ruling elite, but they end up being lined up for the gas chambers just like everyone else.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,133]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

That is the typical authoritarian useful idiot.  They think they are part of the ruling elite, but they end up being lined up for the gas chambers just like everyone else.

Yep.  100%.

[RogerDodger 798]

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Why not just limit the number and types of guns people can buy?  Start with the AR-15, the number one weapon of choice for mass shootings.

You misspelled handgun dummy.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,133]

14 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

You misspelled handgun dummy.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

Yeah, he's a f'n idiot.  Him and pimpadouche.  

[jerryskids 6,838]

38 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If that’s the real problem, why is America the only country with hundreds of mass shootings each year? Other countries have all the same societal problems as America, and far worse ones in many cases. And yet… they aren’t averaging more than 1 mass shooting per day like the good ol’ USA.

It’s beyond simple. We have more guns than people. That’s it. All that other stuff is grasping at straws by people who care more about guns than kids. Keep looking for excuses and ignoring the 800-lb gorilla in the room. And I guarantee it will not fix anything. Kids will keep getting murdered until we restrict guns. 

As others have said, you are addressing a tool, not the cause.  

Here is a graph of the number of mass shootings in the US since 1982.  Note the ramp starting in 2012.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

2012 happens to be when GenZ was of HS age, GenZ being defined by most as those who grew up with iPhones and social media:

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The Oxford Dictionaries describes Generation Z as "the generation born in the late 1990s or the early 21st century, perceived as being familiar with the use of digital technology, the internet, and social media from a very young age.

Between these shootings and the social contagion of the alphabet genders, we've made a hot mess of that generation.   

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

43 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If that’s the real problem, why is America the only country with hundreds of mass shootings each year? Other countries have all the same societal problems as America, and far worse ones in many cases. And yet… they aren’t averaging more than 1 mass shooting per day like the good ol’ USA.

It’s beyond simple. We have more guns than people. That’s it. All that other stuff is grasping at straws by people who care more about guns than kids. Keep looking for excuses and ignoring the 800-lb gorilla in the room. And I guarantee it will not fix anything. Kids will keep getting murdered until we restrict guns. 

Are we just trying to push all the killings towards a different weapon? These people are not going to get better just because there aren’t any guns, even though there will always be guns to be found whether they are banned or not. 

[League Champion 1,911]

54 minutes ago, dogcows said:

restrict guns. 

Restrict bad people having guns! Everyone in my town has multiple guns and guess what, not one gun related death! Now go to Baltimore where the Shwoogies have STOLEN, OR ILLEGALLY OBTAINED UNREGISTERED GUNS. They are killing each other by the dozens daily. 

You want the real 800Lb gorilla in the room, there it is, will you say it NO!!!! BECAUSE You're SCARED!!!! 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 hours ago, League Champion said:

I didn't see it but I'd assume they had rifles. Remember, they are there for a specific target so for them a scoped rifle would be ideal. Not so much for the attacker 

I assume they had carbines.  I also assume they had their service handguns, and I also assume some had the choice of a shotgun but decided to not use that tool for this application and choose the carbine instead..

[League Champion 1,911]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Keep looking for excuses and ignoring the 800-lb gorilla in the room.

Restrict bad people having guns! Everyone in my town has multiple guns and guess what, not one gun related death! Now go to Baltimore where the Shwoogies have STOLEN, OR ILLEGALLY OBTAINED UNREGISTERED GUNS. They are killing each other by the dozens daily. 

You want the real 800Lb gorilla in the room, there it is, will you say it NO!!!! BECAUSE You're SCARED!!!! 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Why do you think they have less gun violence than we do?

They are concerned with scratching out a meager existance. They don't have time for self pity or petty grudges.  Also, they are familiar with the results of killings and dont glorify it or fetishize it.

 

The thing is I don't think you want answers.  You want to defend at all cost your position and will not accept any input that varies from your orthodoxy.  Sad in that your orthodoxy was fashioned by folks that want to do something, anything, not matter how foolsih just to be doing something (Might as well legislate putting a chicken in a sack and whirling it over your head every Friday as that would do as much as liberal proposals on this subkect), and who have zero knowledge about firearms and so legislate out of ignorance.

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

if you can prove that making it illegal for @League Champion to own AR-15s would make us all safer then I’m for it. But I don’t think you can prove that. So why should he have to make a sacrifice? 

You require proof before making decisions?  Did you wear a mask or get a vaccine?

And seriously, a sacrifice to not buy another AR-15?  Come on,.you sound ridiculous 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

They are concerned with scratching out a meager existance. They don't have time for self pity or petty grudges.  Also, they are familiar with the results of killings and dont glorify it or fetishize it.

 

The thing is I don't think you want answers.  You want to defend at all cost your position and will not accept any input that varies from your orthodoxy.  Sad in that your orthodoxy was fashioned by folks that want to do something, anything, not matter how foolsih just to be doing something (Might as well legislate putting a chicken in a sack and whirling it over your head every Friday as that would do as much as liberal proposals on this subkect), and who have zero knowledge about firearms and so legislate out of ignorance.

No I do want answers.  Is there one?  I suggest gun control to stop people from buying guns and murdering kids.  Any better suggestions?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Let me know when we get machete attacks on kids once every few months

I'm guessing as soon as it becomes a Tic Tok challenge.  The choice of weapon is current style, it is fashion.  Removing one option or a series of options as to the tool of preference will not solve this.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

• Radicalization of young people over the past 20 years due to Social Media.  This goes for almost any "group".
• Over-prescription of medication for kids and young adults.
• Destruction of the traditional family unit, fatherless homes, etc.
• Main Stream Media and government dividing America because its in *their* self interest.

We can argue about which exact guns should be illegal all we want, and its a legitimate and fair discussion.  However at the end of the day its treating a symptom of the disease and not the root cause itself.  Guns have been around since America's inception but school shootings like this are a relatively new phenomenon it America's history. 

This all makes sense, and is a large task to fix.  Or in a few weeks, we can make it so a crazy person can't buy a bunch of semi auto rifles and shoot up another school.  Choice is pretty easy.

[League Champion 1,911]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Let me know when we get machete attacks on kids once every few months

That's the Mexicans. There was a real machete fight on the Blueberry farm not far from me. Two rival berry pickers started a huge fight and a bunch were tore up, bad. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I'm guessing as soon as it becomes a Tic Tok challenge.  The choice of weapon is current style, it is fashion.  Removing one option or a series of options as to the tool of preference will not solve this.

Maybe it didn't solve it, but maybe we have less dead kids.  Isn't it worth it?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, League Champion said:

I have (4) AR-15s. All of which I use for hunting and target shooting. After that they go back in their gun safe to live a lonely existence. 

Not one person dead, isn't that unbelievable? 

It is a bit unbelievable.  Seems a bit of redundancy.  Why the need for four?  I understand having them set up differently and having different calibers, but that seems redundant. I can see one or two, another AR 10, another rifle or two in different calibers also maybe lever action or bolt for simplicity and reliablility and even historic interest or value. Then maybe a 12 gauge and a 20 gauge shotgun, one each in both semiauto and pump and maybe a bullpup as well.  Then maybe a few handuns, I prefer Glock and Kimber though i also have a sig.  And if you like handgun hunting, maybe boar, and you also hike in grizzly county maybe a good old reliable Smith and Wesson in a .44 mag or one of the newer .50 caliber handguns.  I suppose also a carbine.

 

Do you have four so you can be variously scoped?