Transgender Slaughters 3 Kids and 3 Adults at Christian Elementary School in Nashville

[seafoam1 3,086]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

A joke from Halloween.

Yeah, fentanyl is all good. Just like your guy Joe. 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, fentanyl is all good. Just like your guy Joe. 

 

You are so random. What does this have to do with anything?  I don't even like Biden.

[seafoam1 3,086]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You are so random

Biden as president, open borders, and fentanyl flowing through the border is not random. You should pay attention to things you comment on. Before you comment.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Biden as president, open borders, and fentanyl flowing through the border is not random. You should pay attention to things you comment on. Before you comment.

You're making yourself look like a fool here.  It was a Halloween joke.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

A joke from Halloween.

I got it, and I laughed.

[seafoam1 3,086]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You're making yourself look like a fool here.  It was a Halloween joke.

Sure libby. 

[seafoam1 3,086]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I got it, and I laughed.

 

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You're making yourself look like a fool here.  It was a Halloween joke.

Oh look. You got a liberal pedo on your side now. Are you sure you aren't Joe Biden himself?

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Sure libby. 

You're a strange man.

[seafoam1 3,086]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You're a strange man.

At least I'm a man libby.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

At least I'm a man libby.

You can't help yourself, can you?

[seafoam1 3,086]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You can't help yourself, can you?

You just can't help yourself can you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

A joke from Halloween.

So saying fentanyl looks like candy, which it does, and saying fentanyl is deadly, which it is, is silly to you? 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

So saying fentanyl looks like candy, which it does, and saying fentanyl is deadly, is silly to you? 

You didn't get the joke.  You and seafoam really are special people.

[seafoam1 3,086]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You didn't get the joke.  You and seafoam really are special people.

Yeah, fentanyl is definitely a joke in this country. A big LOL.

But when liberal trannies shoot up Christian schools, then the trannies need some consoling. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You didn't get the joke.  You and seafoam really are special people.

Jokes need to be funny. Please, show me the funny.  

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, fentanyl is definitely a joke in this country. A big LOL.

But when liberal trannies shoot up Christian schools, then the trannies need some consoling. 

Jesus...  Are you trying to create an argument here?  Amazing how you and others here can make whatever jokes you want but you get all thin skinned when someone you disagree with makes one.  Relax.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Jokes need to be funny. Please, show me the funny.  

You were not the target audience.  I'm not sure what audience you belong in to be honest.

[crackattack 520]

On 3/30/2023 at 8:54 AM, BuckSwope said:

Of course, but that is the case for laws period, it just seems the law and order crowd only whip out this way of thinking for guns though.  

Imo that should not be in the equation when set rules and laws.   Things like required background checks at purchase for all states, being able to look at info on minors (or raising the age to 21), required biometric safes, etc would all help to reduce guns getting into the hands of the wrong people, but it's met largely with that "we have enough laws, and it only affects me not them" attitude.  

Alot to unpack here. First. I'm all for universal background checks. I agree with that. You're going to have to define "minor". Democrats wanted to lower the voting age to 16. If you're adult enough to vote and work, then by that logic, you should be old enough and responsible enough for gun ownership. 

If you want to change the age of gun ownership to 21, then ok. Why? Should we change the age of being able to join the military? How about driving? When does a "minor" become responsible enough for these items? Another thing to remember is gun ownership, right or wrong, is a constitutional right. This is why defining "minor" is important.

Requiring "biometric safes" is an impediment to law abiding citizen. How I store my gun is not the governments or your business. If my gun gets stolen, then absolutely I should be required to report that. I don't have kids, so why should I be required to have a biometric safe? Not every situation or home life is the same.

"Looking at info of minors". Again, what are you defining as a minor? Who is the arbiter of deciding what we're looking at with minors? The federal government? Local government? Appointed psychologist? Who? That information matters. Human beings have bias. They just do and I know you are aware of this. I don't want individuals who are anti gun or anti 2nd amendment "looking into minors". 

Long post. But this is a subject that requires it. Believe it or not, I personally believe, we as a country have a gun culture problem. Gun violence is always already breaking laws on the books. More laws=more hoops for honest gun owners. It just does. Criminals don't care about new laws put on the books. That is 100% factual.

[seafoam1 3,086]

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Jesus...  Are you trying to create an argument here?  Amazing how you and others here can make whatever jokes you want but you get all thin skinned when someone you disagree with makes one.  Relax.

I can make a point without being "not relaxed". Usually it's the nut cases that accuse someone of being thin skinned that are the thin skinned ones. 

And the "arguments" make themselves. 

[seafoam1 3,086]

22 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You were not the target audience.  I'm not sure what audience you belong in to be honest.

So you were the self appointed target audience when I made my post that you replied to?

[KSB2424 3,148]

Have they released the manifesto? 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

22 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Have they released the manifesto? 

No.  Not that I've seen.

[KSB2424 3,148]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No.  Not that I've seen.

Is this not odd to anyone?  I don’t care the motive. It’s been days. 

[MDC 7,495]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You didn't get the joke.  You and seafoam really are special people.

Best friends  

[KSB2424 3,148]

Where is the tranifesto?

[Reality 3,121]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Where is the tranifesto?

C'mon man... We've wanted to see every manifesto in history related to these sort of tragedies but, we're good on this one. No need.

[jerryskids 6,837]

On 3/28/2023 at 8:35 PM, dogcows said:

As I said, the social ills in America are similar to those experienced in other advanced societies. And yet… it is America that has the mass shooting problem. What is the one extremely obvious factor that sets us apart from other industrialized countries? They have iPhones. They have “entitled” teenagers. They have Facebook, TikTok, transgender people, “woke” ideology, unions, liberals, and everything else conservatives want to blame for the failure of society. And yet… it’s only in America that mass shootings happen every day. It ain’t hard to figure it out… unless one doesn’t WANT to figure it out.

America is fundamentally different than other, smaller, more socialistic societies.  We are much more individualistic, much more diverse, and with this comes the good and the bad.  There was an interesting multi-pod series on Freakonomics discussing this a few years back.  

Nordic countries for instance are very socialistic, nationalistic, not ethnically diverse, and by many studies the "happiest."  They also have a concept called "hygge", which roughly translates to "I'm happy with average."  They don't compete to get the biggest house/boat/car etc.  Few people are rich, few live in poverty.  They like it that way.  They aren't blazing the trail in bleeding edge inventions though, because why, where is the motivation?  

I've often said that the fundamental flaw of Leftists is the lack of understanding of complex systems.  It comes in several forms and descriptions, usually some version of "wanting their cake and eating it too" or not anticipating unintended consequences.  A simple example is the quixotic attempt by the Left to tax the rich, believing that those people won't change to adapt to the new laws.  The rich have better, more motivated accountants who find ways around paying those taxes, and like Lucy pulling the football, the tax burden once again falls to the non-rich.

I say all of this to make two main points.  One, to think that the only relevant difference between us and "other advanced societies" is the availability of guns is, well, incredibly simplistic and wrong  Two, you cannot take away people's rights to own guns without significantly impacting our system in numerous ways.

[seafoam1 3,086]

2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Is this not odd to anyone?  I don’t care the motive. It’s been days. 

 

The shooter who gunned down six victims at a private Christian school in Nashville Monday sought to inflict violence on other targets, police said Tuesday.

“We strongly believe there was going to be some other targets, including maybe family members, and one of the malls here in Nashville,” Nashville Police Chief John Drake told CBS News Tuesday. “And that just did not happen.”

 

[seafoam1 3,086]

51 minutes ago, Reality said:

C'mon man... We've wanted to see every manifesto in history related to these sort of tragedies but, we're good on this one. No need.

Liberals don't want to see the truth. It's damaging to their narratives.

[League Champion 1,911]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Where is the tranifesto?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

I’m still amazed about the lack of outrage about Biden joking around about this. It’s like the parents are being mocked. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Biden says Transgenders are the “soul of our nation”.  Really? What are those kids then? 

[KSB2424 3,148]

41 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Biden says Transgenders are the “soul of our nation”.  Really? What are those kids then? 

It’s insane. Bizzaro World. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

He’s not wrong.  The only laws or rules are around sports and not mutilating kids. That’s all.  You’d think they were being targeted by a mass murderer just the other day or something.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

I wonder if Biden is going to make his way to Nashville? He got to Buffalo pretty quick. 

[dogcows 1,030]

18 hours ago, jerryskids said:

America is fundamentally different than other, smaller, more socialistic societies.  We are much more individualistic, much more diverse, and with this comes the good and the bad.  There was an interesting multi-pod series on Freakonomics discussing this a few years back.  

Nordic countries for instance are very socialistic, nationalistic, not ethnically diverse, and by many studies the "happiest."  They also have a concept called "hygge", which roughly translates to "I'm happy with average."  They don't compete to get the biggest house/boat/car etc.  Few people are rich, few live in poverty.  They like it that way.  They aren't blazing the trail in bleeding edge inventions though, because why, where is the motivation?  

I've often said that the fundamental flaw of Leftists is the lack of understanding of complex systems.  It comes in several forms and descriptions, usually some version of "wanting their cake and eating it too" or not anticipating unintended consequences.  A simple example is the quixotic attempt by the Left to tax the rich, believing that those people won't change to adapt to the new laws.  The rich have better, more motivated accountants who find ways around paying those taxes, and like Lucy pulling the football, the tax burden once again falls to the non-rich.

I say all of this to make two main points.  One, to think that the only relevant difference between us and "other advanced societies" is the availability of guns is, well, incredibly simplistic and wrong  Two, you cannot take away people's rights to own guns without significantly impacting our system in numerous ways.

Sure let’s all try to sound smart and blame it all on complex societal problems which cannot possibly be fixed through legislation. Now we can wash our hands of the blood of innocent children. Oh well, nothing can be done! In fact, why have any laws at all? True rugged individualism.

Meanwhile, other complex societal issues apparently CAN be handled with laws. Ban books about gay people and 60’s civil rights activists. Ban drag shows. And now, North Carolina has even passed a bill banning participation trophies. So apparently the GOP thinks they can change the culture of the nation with legislation when it comes to just about anything…… except guns.

Is the obscene number of guns in civilian hands the only reason for all the gun violence? No. But it is a big factor, likely the biggest. And it’s one we can actually change through legislation. As I recall, we had an assault weapons ban for a decade and our “system” handled it just fine. And gun violence was lower. Maybe such a ban would work again, or maybe there are too many of them already on the streets. But doing nothing? That’s inexcusable.

I would be interested to know how you believe the system would be impacted by gun restrictions. I’d also be interested to hear what you think some unintended consequences of gun restrictions might be. I don’t recall any dramatic negative consequences of the past assault weapons ban, but maybe I missed something.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

A ban on AR-15’s isn’t restricting them, it’s banning them. Keeping adult themed books out of school libraries isn’t banning them, it’s restricting them. HTH 

[TimHauck 2,915]

17 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

 

The shooter who gunned down six victims at a private Christian school in Nashville Monday sought to inflict violence on other targets, police said Tuesday.

“We strongly believe there was going to be some other targets, including maybe family members, and one of the malls here in Nashville,” Nashville Police Chief John Drake told CBS News Tuesday. “And that just did not happen.”

 

Does this mean they thought they’d be able to get away after the school shooting without being captured/killed?

[jerryskids 6,837]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Sure let’s all try to sound smart and blame it all on complex societal problems which cannot possibly be fixed through legislation. Now we can wash our hands of the blood of innocent children. Oh well, nothing can be done! In fact, why have any laws at all? True rugged individualism.

Meanwhile, other complex societal issues apparently CAN be handled with laws. Ban books about gay people and 60’s civil rights activists. Ban drag shows. And now, North Carolina has even passed a bill banning participation trophies. So apparently the GOP thinks they can change the culture of the nation with legislation when it comes to just about anything…… except guns.

Is the obscene number of guns in civilian hands the only reason for all the gun violence? No. But it is a big factor, likely the biggest. And it’s one we can actually change through legislation. As I recall, we had an assault weapons ban for a decade and our “system” handled it just fine. And gun violence was lower. Maybe such a ban would work again, or maybe there are too many of them already on the streets. But doing nothing? That’s inexcusable.

I would be interested to know how you believe the system would be impacted by gun restrictions. I’d also be interested to hear what you think some unintended consequences of gun restrictions might be. I don’t recall any dramatic negative consequences of the past assault weapons ban, but maybe I missed something.

The short answer to your question is "because only the bad guys will have guns".  The longer answer:  Phoenix is a fairly safe place for its size, with very few home breakins for instance.  Part of the reason is guns; Arizonans have lots and lots of guns.  I don't own one by the way.  But I would bet many of my neighbors do.  And a bad guy needs to think more than twice before breaking into a house here, because his odds of getting himself dead are pretty good. 

There are really only three states of gun ownership.  One, anyone can own darn near anything; for simplicity let's call that our current state.  Two, nobody can own darn near nothing.  That's what your Leftist masters really want when they rile you up on more gun laws after each school shooting.  The third, what you THINK you want and are proposing, is a "Solomon splits the baby" approach where we let people have some guns, but we make it really hard to do so.  This takes us down the slippery slope towards #2, but until we get there and become fully subservient to the ruling elite, the last people to get rid of their guns will be the bad guys.

If you don't think we are on a slippery slope, ask yourself:  if you were to get all of the laws that you propose enacted, when (not if) the next school shooting happens (since we haven't addressed the underlying mental issues), will you say to yourself "well, it's not the gun laws, those are all good."?  No?  Didn't think so.

I'm willing to discuss gun legislation but, again, there are unintended consequences.  Commonality between states makes sense, right?  Well, maybe, but the only practical common set of laws is the most restrictive, unless you imagine a future world where Cali or NYC let me walk around with a gun like I can in AZ.  Again, didn't think so.

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion against a premise of "Republicans hate children because they won't pass more gun laws$#@!"  Here, try this one:  fentanyl is way more dangerous to kids than school shootings.  A border wall would stop some from getting in.  Not all, not most, but some, sorta like your proposed gun laws.  Therefore, if you oppose the border wall, you hate children way more than Republicans do.  Sound good?  Third time, didn't think so.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

They found that a gun in the home was associated with a nearly threefold increase in the odds that someone would be killed at home by a family member or intimate acquaintance.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/