Transgender Slaughters 3 Kids and 3 Adults at Christian Elementary School in Nashville

[GutterBoy 2,899]

https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

Guns number one cause of death for children, not fentanyl.

I'm all for fentanyl off the streets, but don't compare the two.

[dogcows 1,030]

39 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The short answer to your question is "because only the bad guys will have guns".  The longer answer:  Phoenix is a fairly safe place for its size, with very few home breakins for instance.  Part of the reason is guns; Arizonans have lots and lots of guns.  I don't own one by the way.  But I would bet many of my neighbors do.  And a bad guy needs to think more than twice before breaking into a house here, because his odds of getting himself dead are pretty good. 

There are really only three states of gun ownership.  One, anyone can own darn near anything; for simplicity let's call that our current state.  Two, nobody can own darn near nothing.  That's what your Leftist masters really want when they rile you up on more gun laws after each school shooting.  The third, what you THINK you want and are proposing, is a "Solomon splits the baby" approach where we let people have some guns, but we make it really hard to do so.  This takes us down the slippery slope towards #2, but until we get there and become fully subservient to the ruling elite, the last people to get rid of their guns will be the bad guys.

If you don't think we are on a slippery slope, ask yourself:  if you were to get all of the laws that you propose enacted, when (not if) the next school shooting happens (since we haven't addressed the underlying mental issues), will you say to yourself "well, it's not the gun laws, those are all good."?  No?  Didn't think so.

I'm willing to discuss gun legislation but, again, there are unintended consequences.  Commonality between states makes sense, right?  Well, maybe, but the only practical common set of laws is the most restrictive, unless you imagine a future world where Cali or NYC let me walk around with a gun like I can in AZ.  Again, didn't think so.

It's hard to have an intelligent discussion against a premise of "Republicans hate children because they won't pass more gun laws$#@!"  Here, try this one:  fentanyl is way more dangerous to kids than school shootings.  A border wall would stop some from getting in.  Not all, not most, but some, sorta like your proposed gun laws.  Therefore, if you oppose the border wall, you hate children way more than Republicans do.  Sound good?  Third time, didn't think so.

Gun laws in the past few decades have consistently become less restrictive, not more restrictive. If anything, the “slippery slope” is in the other direction. It has led to the situation we are in now. People (like this latest killer) who are certifiably crazy, whose own family even says they shouldn’t own guns, but the law allows them to buy as many as they want (they had 7!)

The imagined scenario where all the guns are taken away is the polar opposite of what is actually happening now. If we started down that road, I’d be up for a discussion. But it is so far removed from the current reality that it’s silly to pretend it’s any kind of danger.

Also, guns kill more kids than fentanyl. By definition, that means the drug is less dangerous.

And a wall around Mexico would likely have no effect on fentanyl. It’s being smuggled mostly through the official border crossings. And Mexico is just one of many places it’s coming from. They recently busted somebody who had been smuggling it using cargo boats from India for years.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bay-area-police-union-leader-allegedly-smuggled-fentanyl/story?id=98271260

[Reality 3,121]

We're treating 19 year olds like children these days, may as well include them, huh?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

On 3/27/2023 at 1:11 PM, GutterBoy said:

Too soon?

Alright.  I'll start with Thoughts and Prayers.

This is just sick and disgusting. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cqf46beg7w8/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
 

guns are the problem

[seafoam1 3,059]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Does this mean they thought they’d be able to get away after the school shooting without being captured/killed?

Who is "they"‽

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54 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Who is "they"‽

Were there multiple shooters? God, the media never tells the whole story. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

3 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Who is "they"‽

The shooter

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46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The shooter

Yes. Proper pronouns are needed, as to not offend the deceased mass murderer, TimHauck and the rest of the trans community 

[TimHauck 2,905]

31 minutes ago, Crestwood 2 said:

Yes. Proper pronouns are needed, as to not offend the deceased mass murderer, TimHauck and the rest of the trans community 

Actually I believe the shooter went by he

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Actually I believe the shooter went by he

Now they go by “was/were”

[jerryskids 6,825]

9 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/issue-brief/child-and-teen-firearm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/

Guns number one cause of death for children, not fentanyl.

I'm all for fentanyl off the streets, but don't compare the two.

I said school shootings, not gun deaths.  I thought the message was that Republicans hate kids because we won't get rid of the big scary guns used in school shootings.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I said school shootings, not gun deaths.  I thought the message was that Republicans hate kids because we won't get rid of the big scary guns used in school shootings.   

One of the reasons 

[League Champion 1,911]

10 hours ago, dogcows said:

Also, guns kill more kids than fentanyl. By definition, that means the drug is less dangerous.

No they don't!! People kill people, that gun didn't squeeze its own trigger. 

 

 

[League Champion 1,911]

 

[BuckSwope 654]

Yes, people kill people,  not guns.  Guns make it easier and more efficient most often though.  

[dogcows 1,030]

2 hours ago, League Champion said:

No they don't!! People kill people, that gun didn't squeeze its own trigger. 

 

 

By that logic, fentanyl didn’t kill anybody either.

[TimHauck 2,905]

On 3/28/2023 at 8:38 PM, 5-Points said:

I saw one handgun, one shotgun and one AR. 

I’m no gun expert, but why would a cop have brought a shotgun into a school?  Aren’t shotguns not as accurate so would think could mistakenly hit an unintended target?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

It’s pretty obvious the White House chose the tranny side in this religious attack.  They gotta go.  

[League Champion 1,911]

7 hours ago, dogcows said:

By that logic, fentanyl didn’t kill anybody either.

Yup. The person who took it killed themselves. It was a choice. Cancer kills people 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

12 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Yup. The person who took it killed themselves. It was a choice. Cancer kills people 

People make lifestyle choices that increase their risk.  Overall it's a stupid statement.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I’m no gun expert, but why would a cop have brought a shotgun into a school?  Aren’t shotguns not as accurate so would think could mistakenly hit an unintended target?

At close range you are pretty much guaranteed to hit the target.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

10 hours ago, League Champion said:

 

I blamed God.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I’m no gun expert, but why would a cop have brought a shotgun into a school?  Aren’t shotguns not as accurate so would think could mistakenly hit an unintended target?

Depends on the choke on the shotgun.  You can have a very tight pattern if you wish.  Or it could have been loaded with a single slug and had a rifled barrel.  iIn that case they are very accurate, and extremely powerful.  If I thought I might have to shoot the hinges off of a securuity door to access a room a shooter had holed up in I might want that set up.  In short they bought multiple tools as they were unsure of the job facing them.  AR-15's, in spite of media hype and the fear of the uninformed are not a great tool for all circumstances.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

Trans activists and democrats counting the murderer of children as a victim. 

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I’m no gun expert, but why would a cop have brought a shotgun into a school?  Aren’t shotguns not as accurate so would think could mistakenly hit an unintended target?

Depends. Maybe it was loaded with slugs. Although that is doubtful. Also, one would think that any non participants would be on the floor or hiding under desks. The chance of hitting any of them would be minimal. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

22 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Depends. Maybe it was loaded with slugs. Although that is doubtful. Also, one would think that any non participants would be on the floor or hiding under desks. The chance of hitting any of them would be minimal. 

Yes. They had time to put into practice what they had practiced during their live shooter drills. They heard the gunshots of the murderous trans monster when it shot the glass to the front door because the door was locked 

[dogcows 1,030]

@jerryskids Since we were discussing Nordic societies, I thought you might find this article about Finland interesting.

Finland and happiness

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[MDC 7,470]

I was told locked doors keep shooters out.  

[jerryskids 6,825]

22 minutes ago, dogcows said:

@jerryskids Since we were discussing Nordic societies, I thought you might find this article about Finland interesting.

Finland and happiness

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Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about.  Well, I said Hygge which is technically Danish; apparently they have "sisu" which is "grim determination in the face of hardships. "

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“We are very privileged and we know our privilege,” said Clara Paasimaki, 19, one of Ms. Hansen’s students in Kokkola, “so we are also scared to say that we are discontent with anything, because we know that we have it so much better than other people,” especially in non-Nordic countries.

Frank Martela, a psychology researcher at Aalto University, agreed with Ms. Paasimaki’s assessment. “The fact that Finland has been ‘the happiest country on earth’ for six years in a row could start building pressure on people,” he wrote in an email. “If we Finns are all so happy, why am I not happy?”

He continued, “In that sense, dropping to be the second-happiest country could be good for the long-term happiness of Finland.”

The Finnish way of life is summed up in “sisu,” a trait said to be part of the national character. The word roughly translates to “grim determination in the face of hardships,” such as the country’s long winters: Even in adversity, a Finn is expected to persevere, without complaining.

In America, are we scared to say the we are discontent?  Do we have a national character of grim determination in the face of hardships?  Maybe we used to for the latter.  Now we elevate every perceived slight as a microaggression worthy of therapy and meds.

If you give this 19 yr old girl an AR-15, do you think she is going to go shoot up a school?

[dogcows 1,030]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about.  Well, I said Hygge which is technically Danish; apparently they have "sisu" which is "grim determination in the face of hardships. "

In America, are we scared to say the we are discontent?  Do we have a national character of grim determination in the face of hardships?  Maybe we used to for the latter.  Now we elevate every perceived slight as a microaggression worthy of therapy and meds.

If you give this 19 yr old girl an AR-15, do you think she is going to go shoot up a school?

Perhaps the society also affects its laws, and then the laws affect society afterwards… a bit of a cycle. Obtaining a permit for a gun for self-defense is not allowed in Finland. Maybe knowing that you can’t solve disputes by pulling out a gun encourages a more peaceful and happy nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Finland

Unrelated to the gun debate, I found it interesting that despite the high level of “happiness,” there is some discontent and a rise in far right political activity.

[Reality 3,121]

42 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. They had time to put into practice what they had practiced during their live shooter drills. They heard the gunshots of the murderous trans monster when it shot the glass to the front door because the door was locked 

Yup, following procedures bought them some time. Horrible tragedy that could have been even worse.

Only a blithering idiot or a full on focking retard wouldn't understand that. Hence, comments from certain posters.

[TimHauck 2,905]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Depends on the choke on the shotgun.  You can have a very tight pattern if you wish.  Or it could have been loaded with a single slug and had a rifled barrel.  iIn that case they are very accurate, and extremely powerful.  If I thought I might have to shoot the hinges off of a securuity door to access a room a shooter had holed up in I might want that set up.  In short they bought multiple tools as they were unsure of the job facing them.  AR-15's, in spite of media hype and the fear of the uninformed are not a great tool for all circumstances.

Got it, thank you.

[The Real timschochet 6,824]

I appreciate, and often agree with, the libertarian attitude that so many on the right hold regarding guns. It’s in keeping with the principles that founded this country and made it great, the main one being: people should be left alone to do whatever they want so long as others aren’t harmed. 
I wish, however, that those on the right would see fit to apply these same principles to other issues, like undocumented immigrants, transgenders, abortion, etc. On each of these issues, the current conservative position is decidedly un-libertarian; they are demanding heavy government restrictions and prohibitions. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

8 minutes ago, Reality said:

Yup, following procedures bought them some time. Horrible tragedy that could have been even worse.

Only a blithering idiot or a full on focking retard wouldn't understand that. Hence, comments from certain posters.

Seems like the biggest difference between this and Uvalde is the police response.   A similar response as here and Uvalde may have had less victims as well.  But we'll never know.

[dogcows 1,030]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Yup, following procedures bought them some time. Horrible tragedy that could have been even worse.

Only a blithering idiot or a full on focking retard wouldn't understand that. Hence, comments from certain posters.

Oh good! Only 6 people in a school got murdered by a wacko with an AR-15! #winning

By the way, many right-wingers (including a member of Congress from Kentucky) spouted off that this never happens in schools where staff are armed. Well, so much for that brain-dead argument.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/31/nashville-school-staff-were-packing-guns-911-caller-said/#

How much more proof do we require that the solution to gun violence is NOT more guns? We’ve got more guns than ever, and more gun violence than ever. The exact opposite of what gun-humpers have preached: that more guns will keep us safer.

I’ve seen the “fentanyl is worse” argument here a few times. So, fentanyl is a danger? What should we do? Give everybody MORE fentanyl? Funny how a dangerous drug that kills kids is illegal and we need to do everything possible to eliminate it. But guns? Nah, don’t do anything. If anything, we need MORE!

[5-Points 3,564]

19 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Oh good! Only 6 people in a school got murdered by a wacko with an AR-15! #winning

By the way, many right-wingers (including a member of Congress from Kentucky) spouted off that this never happens in schools where staff are armed. Well, so much for that brain-dead argument.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/31/nashville-school-staff-were-packing-guns-911-caller-said/#

How much more proof do we require that the solution to gun violence is NOT more guns? We’ve got more guns than ever, and more gun violence than ever. The exact opposite of what gun-humpers have preached: that more guns will keep us safer.

I’ve seen the “fentanyl is worse” argument here a few times. So, fentanyl is a danger? What should we do? Give everybody MORE fentanyl? Funny how a dangerous drug that kills kids is illegal and we need to do everything possible to eliminate it. But guns? Nah, don’t do anything. If anything, we need MORE!

Killing people with guns is also illegal. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

31 minutes ago, Reality said:

Yup, following procedures bought them some time. Horrible tragedy that could have been even worse.

Only a blithering idiot or a full on focking retard wouldn't understand that. Hence, comments from certain posters.

Yeah, it took the cops 15 minutes to get there. Good thing the trans monster wasn’t able to just walk in 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, it took the cops 15 minutes to get there. Good thing the trans monster wasn’t able to just walk in 

How long do you think it takes someone to shoot out a glass door and walk though it?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

How long do you think it takes someone to shoot out a glass door and walk though it?

You really are stupid. HTH