Transgender Slaughters 3 Kids and 3 Adults at Christian Elementary School in Nashville

[Patented Phil 830]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Target audience?

Shouldn't you be swearing at someone little man?

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8 hours ago, MDC said:

In my example the gun seller doesn’t have to break any laws at all in most states. He’s just selling a gun to somebody. 

That's not what you said, but ok. You said "buy in one state and take to another". 

[Engorgeous George 1,221]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Maybe the manifesto has details about the accused child molester?   Not saying the police wouldn't want to release that, but could violate settlement agreements.

By what theory would the police be bound by a settlement agreement between the now deceased shooter and somebody who may have wronged her in the past?      

[KSB2424 3,085]

9 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You know maybe if it's released it will shed light on the bs the GOP is doing these days.

Like what?  Stopping the mutilation of children?  Not allowing porn in school libraries? Thinking drag shows for KIDS is creepy?

OH THE HORROR!

 

[MDC 5,915]

42 minutes ago, crackattack said:

That's not what you said, but ok. You said "buy in one state and take to another". 

I said that to the genius who thinks gun laws in one state have no impact on another state.  

[supermike80 1,290]

9 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You know maybe if it's released it will shed light on the bs the GOP is doing these days.  Sure you want that all brought to the top of the news cycle and making people feel bad for her?  The murderer should be known for being a murderer, no sympathy.

It's amazing that anyone thinks this.  This person killed 3 nine year old KIDS!!!!  I am willing to bet whatever this person felt about tranny rights, being shunned by society, and whatever other garbage he/she wrote, those 9 year old dead kids contributed nothing to that.

How anyone can take anything this person wrote seriously after killing three innocent children and using it to "shed light" on anything is amazingly horrible in every possible way.    

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29 minutes ago, MDC said:

I said that to the genius who thinks gun laws in one state have no impact on another state.  

But they don't to law abiding citizens. I'm not buying a gun in Indiana and taking it to Chicago to sell it. Why? Because I'd break numerous laws. A criminal doesn't give a shitt. That's the point. Make as many laws as you want. The only people that affects are law abiding individuals.

[MDC 5,915]

11 minutes ago, crackattack said:

But they don't to law abiding citizens. I'm not buying a gun in Indiana and taking it to Chicago to sell it. Why? Because I'd break numerous laws. A criminal doesn't give a shitt. That's the point. Make as many laws as you want. The only people that affects are law abiding individuals.

I’m not anti gun and I have no problem with law abiding gun owners.

A law abiding citizen in most states isn’t required to run any background check on private gun sales. The buyer could be a felon and nobody would know. That’s who would take the firearm from one state to another. 

 

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5 minutes ago, crackattack said:

But they don't to law abiding citizens. I'm not buying a gun in Indiana and taking it to Chicago to sell it. Why? Because I'd break numerous laws. A criminal doesn't give a shitt. That's the point. Make as many laws as you want. The only people that affects are law abiding individuals.

Of course, but that is the case for laws period, it just seems the law and order crowd only whip out this way of thinking for guns though.  

Imo that should not be in the equation when set rules and laws.   Things like required background checks at purchase for all states, being able to look at info on minors (or raising the age to 21), required biometric safes, etc would all help to reduce guns getting into the hands of the wrong people, but it's met largely with that "we have enough laws, and it only affects me not them" attitude.  

[GutterBoy 2,281]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Like what?  Stopping the mutilation of children?  Not allowing porn in school libraries? Thinking drag shows for KIDS is creepy?

OH THE HORROR!

 

Well for the normal people in this country, it will be obvious that the GOP cares more about restricting teachers from using certain pronouns than stopping school shootings.  They care more about restricting abortion and gay marriage than keeping kids safe in school.

The GOP focked up and while you and your kind cheer the anti-drag and the book censoring, 80% of America values free speech and respecting all people.

[GutterBoy 2,281]

33 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

It's amazing that anyone thinks this.  This person killed 3 nine year old KIDS!!!!  I am willing to bet whatever this person felt about tranny rights, being shunned by society, and whatever other garbage he/she wrote, those 9 year old dead kids contributed nothing to that.

How anyone can take anything this person wrote seriously after killing three innocent children and using it to "shed light" on anything is amazingly horrible in every possible way.    

I agree, but we all know there are some focked up lunatics on the left, and the right, for that matter.

Remember the Buffalo shooter was a copycat of the Christchurch shooting, which was a copycat of the Norway shooting, they all used similar manifestos with material spread on 4chan and 8chan.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/18/4chan-radicalize-buffalo-shooting-white-supremacy

That's the danger of releasing this sh1t.  It emboldens other people who might feel similar.  Instead of "Fock this child killer" it becomes "Hmmm, you know they have a point...."

[Engorgeous George 1,221]

5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Of course, but that is the case for laws period, it just seems the law and order crowd only whip out this way of thinking for guns though.  

Imo that should not be in the equation when set rules and laws.   Things like required background checks at purchase for all states, being able to look at info on minors (or raising the age to 21), required biometric safes, etc would all help to reduce guns getting into the hands of the wrong people, but it's met largely with that "we have enough laws, and it only affects me not them" attitude.  

I would have zero objection to legislation which would create civil causes of action against gun owners who do not safely store their firearms.  I think a reasonable standard of care can be set.  Mine, for instance, when not in my direct possession for then current use are stored in a locked gun safe and the combination is known only to me.  Inside they all each have an individual lock to hold the action open.  The keys for those locks are stored in a second, fire-rated safe where I store ammunitiion.  The only exception is a have a biometric pistol safe in my bedroom holding one unlocked and loaded weapon. 

Violate safe storage and your weapon(s) are misused, you are liable.  I suppose I would also support criminal pemnalties for failure to safely store.  I expect, as with all human legislative endeavors a fact situation wll arise where efforts at safe storage were made, but kids found a key or a combination, and tragedy ensued.  A situation where we might have reservations about criminally punishing an owner who made substantial efforts at safe storage but their efforts came up short and we are reticent to punish.  Because of that I think the penalties for criminal violations should not punish the owner as if they were the perpetrator, but I fear out of hysteria and societal retribution that might occer.  I can see making it a strict liability misdemeanor offense to fail to prevent access to one's weapons.

I can also see it being reasonable to criminalize the loaning of weapons as well as making a cuase of action if a loaned weapon is used in a crime.  Here I would carve out an exception for family members so long as they remain in your presence.  that would allow gun training and family hunting trips.

[Engorgeous George 1,221]

On 3/30/2023 at 7:01 AM, GutterBoy said:

Well for the normal people in this country, it will be obvious that the GOP cares more about restricting teachers from using certain pronouns than stopping school shootings.  They care more about restricting abortion and gay marriage than keeping kids safe in school.

The GOP focked up and while you and your kind cheer the anti-drag and the book censoring, 80% of America values free speech and respecting all people.

Purposefully mischaracterizing the position of the other so it can be torn apart has never really been an effective argument, staw men being laughable, even to crows.  Try constructing you argument out of sticks or bricks.  Then when it is deconstructed it may have some weight.

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Purposefully mischaracterizing the position of the other so it can be torn apart has never really been an effective argument, staw men being laughable, even to crows.  Try constructing you argument out od sticks or bricks.  Then when it is deconstructed it may have some weight.

There is no mischaracterization.  It's what your party is doing.  We can create a new thread and go through all the legislation if it would help you understand.

[supermike80 1,290]

15 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I agree, but we all know there are some focked up lunatics on the left, and the right, for that matter.

Remember the Buffalo shooter was a copycat of the Christchurch shooting, which was a copycat of the Norway shooting, they all used similar manifestos with material spread on 4chan and 8chan.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/18/4chan-radicalize-buffalo-shooting-white-supremacy

That's the danger of releasing this sh1t.  It emboldens other people who might feel similar.  Instead of "Fock this child killer" it becomes "Hmmm, you know they have a point...."

Exactly why I don't want it released.   It will do more harm than good.  

[Engorgeous George 1,221]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

There is no mischaracterization.  It's what your party is doing.  We can create a new thread and go through all the legislation if it would help you understand.

To begin, not my party.  As for understanding, I thank you for the offer, but I do not find you qualified to teach me.  Still, if you care to create a thread I may participate if it catches my attention.

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Has David Pigg come out of the woodwork to voice his "knowledge" on the subject of school shootings?

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

 

[GutterBoy 2,281]

holy sh1t what a focking piece of sh1t.  Evil.  Demonic.  Fock that thing.  Gave me chills reading that.

[Patented Phil 830]

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Well for the normal people in this country, it will be obvious that the GOP cares more about restricting teachers from using certain pronouns than stopping school shootings.  They care more about restricting abortion and gay marriage than keeping kids safe in school.

The GOP focked up and while you and your kind cheer the anti-drag and the book censoring, 80% of America values free speech and respecting all people.

Which solution is more effective and more plausible:

• Democrat solution - Ban assault weapons, which in 2020 accounted for only 581 gun homicides out of 19,384
• Republican solution - Have an armed cop or security guard at every school

[GutterBoy 2,281]

8 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Which solution is more effective and more plausible:

• Democrat solution - Ban assault weapons, which in 2020 accounted for only 581 gun homicides out of 19,384
• Republican solution - Have an armed cop or security guard at every school

Why not both?

An assault weapons ban will likely result in less mass shootings and/or less deadly mass shootings.  A cop at every school is not a bad thing either, would need to find the 10B or so to fund this, maybe tax every gun sale.

[Engorgeous George 1,221]

12 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Why not both?

An assault weapons ban will likely result in less mass shootings and/or less deadly mass shootings.  A cop at every school is not a bad thing either, would need to find the 10B or so to fund this, maybe tax every gun sale.

A hopeful supposition, but I beleive an incorrect one.  I believe if those intent on such killings are forced to pick from a potential array of weapons and so-called assualt weapons are banned they would turn to other, better tools.  A semi automatic shotgun, unpluged, with speed loaders would be more devastating, particularly if supplemented by two semi-automatic handguns. Assault weapons are versitile tools, but not the best tool for all applications  God forbid they turn to fire.  Just look at the death toll from the fire recently at the Mexican Immigration holding Facility or the Station Nightclub fire.  Still, I understand why folks think AR 15's, AK 47's, and the like are so forceful, so I understand the movement.

 

As for Cops at every school, I suppose I would happily pay my share of taxes to support this.  My feeling, however, is that unless they are in an attack-porof room themselves they would simply become the first target.  Would we limit them to response from a saferoom, or would we want them mingling, out front, a visual detterence, but really an easy target? 

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4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

A hopeful supposition, but I beleive an incorrect one.  I believe if those intent on such killings are forced to pick from a potential array of weapons and so-called assualt weapons are banned they would turn to other, better tools.  A semi automatic shotgun, unpluged, with speed loaders would be more devastating, particularly if supplemented by two semi-automatic handguns. Assault weapons are versitile tools, but not the best tool for all applications  God forbid they turn to fire.  Just look at the death toll from the fire recently at the Mexican Immigration holding Facility or the Station Nightclub fire.  Still, I understand why folks think AR 15's, AK 47's, and the like are so forceful, so I understand the movement.

 

As for Cops at every school, I suppose I would happily pay my share of taxes to support this.  My feeling, however, is that unless they are in an attack-porof room themselves they would simply become the first target.  Would we limit them to response from a saferoom, or would we want them mingling, out front, a visual detterence, but really an easy target? 

So basically your opinion is that we're focked?

Also, regarding assault weapons ban. https://theconversation.com/nashville-attack-renews-calls-for-assault-weapons-ban-data-shows-there-were-fewer-mass-shooting-deaths-during-an-earlier-10-year-prohibition-202886

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On 3/27/2023 at 1:11 PM, GutterBoy said:

Too soon?

Alright.  I'll start with Thoughts and Prayers.

What a POS

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

56 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

An assault weapons ban will likely result in less mass shootings and/or less deadly mass shootings.

Seriously, what is an assault weapon.  I hate how that term keeps getting used, especially since no one knows what the hell it means.  If any person wants to be taken seriously they will need to come up with a specific plan.  The real names of guns will need to be used.  This is why the people who are against guns can never have a real conversation, because they do not know enough of what they are talking about.

[TheNewGirl 1,042]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Seriously, what is an assault weapon.  I hate how that term keeps getting used, especially since no one knows what the hell it means.  If any person wants to be taken seriously they will need to come up with a specific plan.  The real names of guns will need to be used.  This is why the people who are against guns can never have a real conversation, because they do not know enough of what they are talking about.

I do agree with this. 

A knife is an assault weapon. 

Also, I am not sure banning things is the way to go. If you look at the countries that do not have citizens with guns, they have other forms of violence. Knife attacks on subways. People driving large vehicles into crowds of people. Bombs. Setting buildings on fire. 

Banning weapons may prevent school shootings, but if someone has a mind to burn down or bomb school, they will figure it out. 

[TheNewGirl 1,042]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

A quick google search says that this isn't necessarily true. The school has denied she was receiving counseling from him and didn't have anyone "targeted" when she did this. She'd planned to go to several locations, no one was targeted. 

 

[Hawkeye21 1,864]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

A quick google search says that this isn't necessarily true. The school has denied she was receiving counseling from him and didn't have anyone "targeted" when she did this. She'd planned to go to several locations, no one was targeted. 

 

I've heard that as well.  She did go to that school though, didn't she?

[TheNewGirl 1,042]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I've heard that as well.  She did go to that school though, didn't she?

She's 28, but yes, I'd read that she attended that school. 

I am wondering if she chose that school because she'd gone there and was familiar with it. I am not sure of the other locations she was planning on going to or why those places were chosen. 

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If this murderer agreed with me 100% on every political and social opinion that I have, she would still be an evil POS. 

[TimHauck 1,822]

6 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

A quick google search says that this isn't necessarily true. The school has denied she was receiving counseling from him and didn't have anyone "targeted" when she did this. She'd planned to go to several locations, no one was targeted. 

 

Does the school have the manifesto?

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1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

So basically your opinion is that we're focked?

Also, regarding assault weapons ban. https://theconversation.com/nashville-attack-renews-calls-for-assault-weapons-ban-data-shows-there-were-fewer-mass-shooting-deaths-during-an-earlier-10-year-prohibition-202886

We are focked, but not helpless to improve.  I do not believe we will ever be able to 100% protect that which is precious to us.  History teaces that lesson.  I do beleive we can improve the situation by percentage points, and since those percentage points equal lives I am willing to bear some cost.  Also, I do not suscribe to the false dichotomy originally postulated of only two solutions.

 

As to your link, I am aware of that data.  I am also aware that dureing that timeframe there was a push for zero tolerance for crime, that prison populations soared getting folks off the streets and unable to commit crimes, and that the population echo boom had aged out of their most violent years which i believe is the main factor in that data.  In short I do not believe the correlation reflects causation.  It may, I could be wrong.

 

I think most school shooters and mass shooters have little or no familiarity with guns.  i think they choose what is foremost in their minds.  I think if we deny them "assault weapons" it will only take one example of a new pardigm to switch them to even more effective weapons.  We would then have a movement to ban those weapons.  The problem is, the most effective weapon for mass killing of persons inside of buildings, other than explosives, are fire and accompanying fumes, and I do not see how we ban accelerants.  We would literally be driving folks towards the worst, most damaging, deadly choice.

 

No, I beleive in hardening the targets.  I believe in mental health.  As I have stated before I believe we are a sicK society which strives to be aggrieved, and until we change that societal outlook I do not think we will make much headway.  Still, we can try.

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40 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Does the school have the manifesto?

Yes. She faxed it to them the night before. 

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5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Seriously, what is an assault weapon.  I hate how that term keeps getting used, especially since no one knows what the hell it means.  If any person wants to be taken seriously they will need to come up with a specific plan.  The real names of guns will need to be used.  This is why the people who are against guns can never have a real conversation, because they do not know enough of what they are talking about.

We had legislation that banned assault weapons, it's been done before, it can be done again.  Stop making excuses.

[GutterBoy 2,281]

5 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

I do agree with this. 

A knife is an assault weapon. 

Also, I am not sure banning things is the way to go. If you look at the countries that do not have citizens with guns, they have other forms of violence. Knife attacks on subways. People driving large vehicles into crowds of people. Bombs. Setting buildings on fire. 

Banning weapons may prevent school shootings, but if someone has a mind to burn down or bomb school, they will figure it out. 

See this is the attitude why nothing happens and we keep ending up with dead kids.

I'll take my chances with a knife or fire.

Banning some weapons might help?  Yeah let's do that.

 

[GutterBoy 2,281]

https://twitter.com/MFlynnGT/status/1641203392306466816?t=EU4v1yUm1iA4bW8ZQEdvsw&s=19

 

[KSB2424 3,085]

A Trans person targets Christians, kills six including 3 kids and this is the President’s Press Secretary’s response:

 

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6 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

A Trans person targets Christians and this is the President’s Press Secretary’s response:

 

They don’t care. Gutterboy basically had the same reaction. 

[Voltaire 4,570]

On 3/28/2023 at 3:24 PM, GutterBoy said:

Somalia has less gun deaths per capita than the US.  Somalia has a better culture than we do?  We should look to Somalia for lessons here?

That seems unlikely considering that Somalia is engaged in yet another civil war. Then again, most all these US deaths occur in degenerate leftoid cities that resemble Somalia, so who knows?

[Reality 2,710]

51 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

A Trans person targets Christians, kills six including 3 kids and this is the President’s Press Secretary’s response:

 

Disgusting, modern day liberal.