Guns: The No. 1 cause of death for U.S. children

[TimHauck 2,633]

22 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Ok, just the data available is from 1999 to 2020.

So, the Summer of Love year, eh?  Happening mostly in big cities?  Yeah, no surprise there that black children accounted for 40% of the firearm deaths that year.

They were 40% in 2019 too.

If you select all races but remove "large central metro," there were still 1,495 firearm deaths.    So only 34% of the 2,281 firearm deaths among children aged 0-17 occurred in big cities.

[TBayXXXVII 2,495]

10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You removed black people as to point out that it's Liberal policies that drive gun deaths? And these liberal policies only affect black people?

How about firearm deaths by state? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Red States leading the way.  For all races.  

Your mental gymnastics belong in the special olympics.  Just stop.

Look at you pretending that the size of the state is more important than the total number.  You're so cute. 

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

From 2017 to 2019, you know, when Trump was inciting violence among the masses (according to the Democrats), firearm deaths (children), by race:

• White: 4188 (3050 when looking at UNDER 18)
• Black:  3101 (1982 when looking at UNDER 18)

So, in the 3 years before Democrats promoted the "Defund the Police" agenda their version of criminal justice reform, 1982 black children (under 18), were killed via firearms... yet, in 2020, 992.  An average of 660 per year to almost 1000.  That's an increase of 50%.  Yeah, NOTHING to do with Democrat policies, right?

Where were the police defunded?  And is the increase in gun deaths in the cities where the defunding took place?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Look at you pretending that the size of the state is more important than the total number.  You're so cute. 

Look at you unable to read or understand what a rate is. You're so retarded.

¹ The number of deaths per 100,000 total population.

[TimHauck 2,633]

5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

From 2017 to 2019, you know, when Trump was inciting violence among the masses (according to the Democrats), firearm deaths (children), by race:

• White: 4188 (3050 when looking at UNDER 18)
• Black:  3101 (1982 when looking at UNDER 18)

So, in the 3 years before Democrats promoted the "Defund the Police" agenda their version of criminal justice reform, 1982 black children (under 18), were killed via firearms... yet, in 2020, 992.  An average of 660 per year to almost 1000.  That's an increase of 50%.  Yeah, NOTHING to do with Democrat policies, right?

Hard to say.  There was also a once in a century pandemic and its economic effects that was particularly hard on minorities.  Not to mention the unrest during the "summer of love" wasn't really about liberal policies, and if police budgets were changed it would have effected 2021 far more than 2020.

White children (0-17) firearm deaths also increased from 959 in 2019 to 1203 in 2020, a 25% increase.

[TimHauck 2,633]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Look at you pretending that the size of the state is more important than the total number.  You're so cute. 

2/3 of child firearm deaths occurred outside of big cities

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14 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Is anyone here against reducing crime in cities?  Shut the fock up.

Strawman. Triggered.  Very upset. Sad. 

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20 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Is anyone here against reducing crime in cities?  Shut the fock up.

Yes.  The people who vote for Democrats.

[TBayXXXVII 2,495]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Hard to say.  There was also a once in a century pandemic and its economic effects that was particularly hard on minorities.  Not to mention the unrest during the "summer of love" wasn't really about liberal policies, and if police budgets were changed it would have effected 2021 far more than 2020.

White children (0-17) firearm deaths also increased from 959 in 2019 to 1203 in 2020, a 25% increase.

So half as much for a population 4x greater?

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

Yup, right where you needed to be.  Gutterboy says that deaths per 100k matter.  Hauck points out that the metro areas (of about 200k in total population), is responsible for one-third of all firearm deaths among children.  Thanks for proving my point guys.

huh?  I don't even think you know what your point is anymore.

[TimHauck 2,633]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

Yup, right where you needed to be.  Gutterboy says that deaths per 100k matter.  Hauck points out that the metro areas (of about 200k in total population), is responsible for one-third of all firearm deaths among children.  Thanks for proving my point guys.

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "large central metros" occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "small, micropolitan and noncore" metros occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

You might want to sit out for a bit.

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Remember when pools were the number one cause of accidental deaths among children? What did we do? We put fences up around the pools to keep the kids out and accidental drowning numbers fell. 

So if fences worked to keep kids out of pools, it stands to reason they would also work to keep shooters out of schools. But the left doesn't want that because they don't really care about the kids. Dead kids are merely a means to an end for them. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,495]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

huh?  I don't even think you know what your point is anymore.

I did have a typo, I was editing it.  I hit the k, not the m, so my post was 200 thousand, not million.  My bad.

Democrat messages and policies regarding crime, guns, drugs, and white people (specifically conservatives), is the biggest driver of crime in this country.  The net result is gun crime.  Kids, particularly black folks, a being disproportionately affected by that.  I thought Democrats were big on that talking point.

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8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "large central metros" occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "small, micropolitan and noncore" metros occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

You might want to sit out for a bit.

Considering that white people out number black people 5:1, maybe you should be the one sitting this one out.  Democrat policies cause a greater detriment to black folks at a disproportionate rate.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I did have a typo, I was editing it.  I hit the k, not the m, so my post was 200 thousand, not million.  My bad.

Democrat messages and policies regarding crime, guns, drugs, and white people (specifically conservatives), is the biggest driver of crime in this country.  The net result is gun crime.  Kids, particularly black folks, a being disproportionately affected by that.  I thought Democrats were big on that talking point.

And all the data posted here says you're wrong.  Have a great day.

[TBayXXXVII 2,495]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

And all the data posted here says you're wrong.  Have a great day.

It confirms it, but you're too slow in realizing.  I will have a great day because I operate at a higher level than you.

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Good long article here about how Republican positions on guns (along with abortion) are destroying the party’s image among young voters and independents: 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/11/politics/republican-silence-abortion-mass-shooting/index.html

Of course, a conservative response might be, “so what? We should always stand by our principles.” And that’s a perfectly valid and reasonable answer. But when these same principles are at odds with the bulk of the public, it means losing elections. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Considering that white people out number black people 5:1, maybe you should be the one sitting this one out.  Democrat policies cause a greater detriment to black folks at a disproportionate rate.

So liberal policies are also the cause for crime in small, micropolitan and noncore metros?  Interesting.

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Have liberals been spreading this video around as gospel yet?

 

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On 4/11/2023 at 10:10 AM, TimHauck said:

So liberal policies are also the cause for crime in small, micropolitan and noncore metros?  Interesting.

Yes. But mostly because liberals dominate those localities....the secret is government in general more so that a political party. But I digress.

[TimHauck 2,633]

33 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yes. But mostly because liberals dominate those localities

Lol no they don’t 

[RLLD 4,154]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol no they don’t 

I think you misunderstand my point.  Where you have problems it is correlation vs causation/.

[TimHauck 2,633]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think you misunderstand my point.  Where you have problems it is correlation vs causation/.

Those types of areas are largely dominated by Republicans and Republican governments 

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On 4/11/2023 at 10:28 PM, GutterBoy said:

 

That's how it should be 

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12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Those types of areas are largely dominated by Republicans and Republican governments 

No, they are not.  The problem is the people and often those people vote Democrat, as with Baltimore and Chicago etc.  When they happen to vote republican the situation improves. But the lure of "free stuff" and race baiting is a pungent aroma for many. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No, they are not.  The problem is the people and often those people vote Democrat, as with Baltimore and Chicago etc.  When they happen to vote republican the situation improves. But the lure of "free stuff" and race baiting is a pungent aroma for many. 

You are wrong. I’m talking about the bottom 3 colors: dark green, light green, and yellowish on this map, which are typically Republican.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data_access/urban_rural.htm#2013_Urban-Rural_Classification_Scheme_for_Counties

https://brilliantmaps.com/2020-county-election-map/

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13 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Those types of areas are largely dominated by Republicans and Republican governments 

You are wrong. Just stop. You keep trying to win points that have no merit. I hope for you sake you have a job where you just take orders and do what you are told, because you are not very good at assessing things. You would be terrible and problem solving because you can't see what the reality is. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You are wrong. Just stop. You keep trying to win points that have no merit. I hope for you sake you have a job where you just take orders and do what you are told, because you are not very good at assessing things. You would be terrible and problem solving because you can't see what the reality is. 

I just showed the proof.  HTH

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I just showed the proof.  HTH

Not in the least.

[RLLD 4,154]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

You are wrong. I’m talking about the bottom 3 colors: dark green, light green, and yellowish on this map, which are typically Republican.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data_access/urban_rural.htm#2013_Urban-Rural_Classification_Scheme_for_Counties

https://brilliantmaps.com/2020-county-election-map/

Your first link tells me nothing, your second link proves my position....

I am surprised you would contest it frankly, given the Democrats position to pander to minorities and the poor.  Maybe you think its wrong, but then why do they do it and keep getting elected in those areas....can you see the problem with what you are trying to promote?

[TimHauck 2,633]

Just now, RLLD said:

Your first link tells me nothing, your second link proves my position....

I am surprised you would contest it frankly, given the Democrats position to pander to minorities and the poor.  Maybe you think its wrong, but then why do they do it and keep getting elected in those areas....can you see the problem with what you are trying to promote?

JFC.  Democrats don’t get elected in most small metros, micropolitan areas or noncore metros.  Those areas largely vote Republican, as evidenced by the Republican vote in the second map largely overlapping with those 3 types of areas in the first map.

If you don’t understand that, then you must think the entire government is Democrat?  Or else where do Republicans actually get elected if not these areas?

[RLLD 4,154]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

JFC.  Democrats don’t get elected in most small metros, micropolitan areas or noncore metros.  Those areas largely vote Republican, as evidenced by the Republican vote in the second map largely overlapping with those 3 types of areas in the first map.

If you don’t understand that, then you must think the entire government is Democrat?  Or else where do Republicans actually get elected if not these areas?

Incorrect. CIty after city, ubran areas, are dominated by Democrat politics....its not 100% but as you travel from Baltimore to DC to Philly to NYC to Detriot to Chicago on and on and on....these localities are predominantly democrat.  If you move into rural areas you find more republicans. 

Why hide from this? Why not celebrate the dominance, its a little wierd.

Example        Example      Example

Example        

The correlation between urban residents and Democratic voting in the United States really increases a lot in the ’80s and ’90s, a time when labor unions are on the decline.

I can continue to cite many....many actual sources that demonstrate the urban areas have been dominated by Democrats for decades. This is not new, or surprising or unknown....this has been established fact for a long time. It is covered in detail at every national election....how can you not know this? 

 

[TimHauck 2,633]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect. CIty after city, ubran areas, are dominated by Democrat politics....its not 100% but as you travel from Baltimore to DC to Philly to NYC to Detriot to Chicago on and on and on....these localities are predominantly democrat.  If you move into rural areas you find more republicans. 

Uh, that's what I was saying.  

"Small, micropolitan and noncore" metros = more rural.    But they have the same rate of child death by firearm as cities.   (I did not include "large fringe metro" or "medium metro" as that's where it's more of a mixed bag in terms of Dem/Repub)

On 4/11/2023 at 9:42 AM, TimHauck said:

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "large central metros" occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "small, micropolitan and noncore" metros occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

You might want to sit out for a bit.

 

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What did I miss?

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Uh, that's what I was saying.  

"Small, micropolitan and noncore" metros = more rural.    But they have the same rate of child death by firearm as cities.   (I did not include "large fringe metro" or "medium metro" as that's where it's more of a mixed bag in terms of Dem/Repub)

 

Again, I am mystified as to why you were objecting to my point 

[TimHauck 2,633]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Again, I am mystified as to why you were objecting to my point 

I feel like you're just trolling me at this point.   Here were the key parts of the conversation:

On 4/11/2023 at 9:42 AM, TimHauck said:

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "large central metros" occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

Child (0-17) firearm deaths in "small, micropolitan and noncore" metros occurred at a rate of 3.5 per 100k in 2020.

You might want to sit out for a bit.

 

On 4/11/2023 at 10:10 AM, TimHauck said:

So liberal policies are also the cause for crime in small, micropolitan and noncore metros?  Interesting.

 

15 hours ago, RLLD said:

Yes. But mostly because liberals dominate those localities....the secret is government in general more so that a political party. But I digress.

 

Then later you said "as you move into more rural areas you find more Republicans."   Which is exactly what I was saying.  Small, micropolitan and noncore metros = more rural (and as a result, more Republican).  Yet they had the same rate of child gun deaths as cities.