Right-wing hate groups the No. 1 U.S. security threat, DHS says

[Gepetto 979]

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

How does calling out hate groups create hate groups?

The left makes up stuff against a group of people, to increase their voting numbers.  Biden as a leftist/Democrat creates/increases division, just like Obama before him.  

[Dizkneelande 839]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I love you how put talking points you got from a right-wing website here, then accuse somebody else of using talking points. What does a supposed income gain of top 20% of earners have to do with the tax discussion? Please post the link so we can see where you got YOUR talking points.

Fact: businesses and the top 1% got massive tax breaks, leading to a bigger national debt. Middle class people saved a few hundred bucks, if they were lucky (depending on which deductions they have).

When you post some cherry-picked number that’s not even relevant to that, I know you’re spouting a talking point. If you cared, you could look up how much people actually saved, by income level. 

And don’t forget, the tax breaks for people were temporary. But businesses got permanent cuts. That’s why Amazon raked in billions and paid $0 in taxes 2 years in a row, while you and I had to pay taxes. You think that’s fair?

Let’s go to the CBO. Non-partisan. 

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-12/55941-CBO-Household-Income.pdf

They're already rich. They don’t need the biggest percentage tax cuts of all of us. If you scroll through the report, you will see that before taxes, the top 1% got a much bigger increase than everybody else. But when you add in the after-tax increase? Their increase over everybody else DOUBLES. So this is literally a redistribution of wealth TO the rich.

Trump promised to be a populist, but he did the exact opposite when he had the chance. Imagine if he was willing to accept that same $1.5 trillion deficit in order to cut taxes for the middle class only, instead of massive cuts for businesses and the 1-percenters. We’d all have greatly reduced tax bills, and... the 1-percenters would still have gotten richer even without that tax law doubling their gains.

You can have your reasons for liking Trump. But his tax policy absolutely was FAR better for the “elites” which you hate than they were for the average guy.

It’s directly from this cnbc article not a right wing website. It’s weird that corporate tax collections increased to record levels gaining 13% increases year over year. Also, I’m pretty sure the 1.5 million Amazon employees all paid federal income tax and a lot of them paid state income tax as well as fica. 
 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/23/who-is-saving-the-most-money-from-trumps-tax-cuts.html

https://taxfoundation.org/federal-tax-collections-inflation-surging/

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6 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

It’s directly from this cnbc article not a right wing website. It’s weird that corporate tax collections increased to record levels gaining 13% increases year over year. Also, I’m pretty sure the 1.5 million Amazon employees all paid federal income tax and a lot of them paid state income tax as well as fica. 
 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/23/who-is-saving-the-most-money-from-trumps-tax-cuts.html

https://taxfoundation.org/federal-tax-collections-inflation-surging/

Thanks for sharing the cnbc link - which points out the inequality, and that the rich saved far more than the middle class.

FYI on the “Tax Foundation” - it’s a right-wing think tank. Not that it’s a bad thing, just for context.

As to your comment: you think it’s good for Amazon employees to pay tax, but not the owners of the company? There’s a word for that: serfdom.

[dogcows 1,029]

15 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

The left makes up stuff against a group of people, to increase their voting numbers.  Biden as a leftist/Democrat creates/increases division, just like Obama before him.  

Do you think Hunter Biden planted the Nazi flag in that U-Haul truck?

[Dizkneelande 839]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Thanks for sharing the cnbc link - which points out the inequality, and that the rich saved far more than the middle class.

FYI on the “Tax Foundation” - it’s a right-wing think tank. Not that it’s a bad thing, just for context.

As to your comment: you think it’s good for Amazon employees to pay tax, but not the owners of the company? There’s a word for that: serfdom.

You’re so disingenuous to poopoo data directly from the cbo. You’re also too stupid to realize Amazon is a public company and that these owners you speak of pay a massive capital gains taxes when they sell shares There’s not a chance you work in the private sector. I’m assuming you perform some government function. 

[RogerDodger 797]

35 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I love you how put talking points you got from a right-wing website here, then accuse somebody else of using talking points. What does a supposed income gain of top 20% of earners have to do with the tax discussion? Please post the link so we can see where you got YOUR talking points.

Fact: businesses and the top 1% got massive tax breaks, leading to a bigger national debt (the law increased the deficit by $1.5 trillion). Middle class people saved a few hundred bucks, if they were lucky (depending on which deductions they have).

When you post some cherry-picked number that’s not even relevant to that, I know you’re spouting a talking point. If you cared, you could look up how much people actually saved, by income level. 

And don’t forget, the tax breaks for people were temporary. But businesses got permanent cuts. That’s why Amazon raked in billions and paid $0 in taxes 2 years in a row, while you and I had to pay roughly the same amount of taxes. You think that’s fair? I don’t.

Let’s go to the CBO. Non-partisan. 

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-12/55941-CBO-Household-Income.pdf

They're already rich. They don’t need the biggest percentage tax cuts of all of us. If you scroll through the report, you will see that before taxes, the top 1% got a much bigger increase than everybody else. But when you add in the after-tax increase? Their increase over everybody else DOUBLES. So this is literally a redistribution of wealth TO the rich.

Trump promised to be a populist, but he did the exact opposite when he had the chance. Imagine if he was willing to accept that same $1.5 trillion deficit in order to cut taxes for the middle class only, instead of massive cuts for businesses and the 1-percenters. We’d all have greatly reduced tax bills, and... the 1-percenters would still have gotten richer even without that tax law doubling their gains.

You can have your reasons for liking Trump. But his tax policy absolutely was FAR better for the “elites” which you hate than they were for the average guy.

Love that report, thanks.

Like Diz said, that's how it's supposed to work.  The pink graphs represent a well distributed wealth system as compared to the green.  Why do you want to incentivize making less money?

 

[dogcows 1,029]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

You’re so disingenuous to poopoo data directly from the cbo. You’re also too stupid to realize Amazon is a public company and that these owners you speak of pay a massive capital gains taxes when they sell shares There’s not a chance you work in the private sector. I’m assuming you perform some government function. 

Capital gains are taxed at a lower rate than income. Up to half-a-mil, it’s 15%, then 20% for anything above that.

Tax rate on wages for middle earners: ($90K - $170K) is 24%.

So the 1-percenters don’t pay “massive” capital gains taxes. They pay less than average wage earners. And they have myriad ways to defer the capital gains, so almost none of them actually pay 20% tax on them.

I don’t poo-poo data from the CBO. The Tax Foundation site gives a “summary” that’s littered with their own bias. Which is why I linked directly to the CBO report. You can see chart after chart after chart in there demonstrating how absurd the wealth disparities are, and how the tax policy makes those disparities even worse.

[dogcows 1,029]

1 hour ago, RogerDodger said:

Love that report, thanks.

Like Diz said, that's how it's supposed to work.  The pink graphs represent a well distributed wealth system as compared to the green.  Why do you want to incentivize making less money?

 

You think a system that widens disparities between the top 1% and everybody else is how it’s supposed to work? I mean, I guess you’re right, considering our nation was founded by and subsequently ruled by wealthy landowners since its founding, but it’s not how we should want it to work.

[Cdub100 3,366]

I really love getting my income taxed before I even see it. Then taxed again when I buy stuff. Taxed when I invest it. Taxed on my house taxes on taxes. It's so wonderful.

[MDC 5,877]

19 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Capital gains are taxed at a lower rate than income. Up to half-a-mil, it’s 15%, then 20% for anything above that.

Tax rate on wages for middle earners: ($90K - $170K) is 24%.

So the 1-percenters don’t pay “massive” capital gains taxes. They pay less than average wage earners. And they have myriad ways to defer the capital gains, so almost none of them actually pay 20% tax on them.

I don’t poo-poo data from the CBO. The Tax Foundation site gives a “summary” that’s littered with their own bias. Which is why I linked directly to the CBO report. You can see chart after chart after chart in there demonstrating how absurd the wealth disparities are, and how the tax policy makes those disparities even worse.

Payroll taxes are also incredibly regressive as are sales taxes. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,588]

Dog cows thinks the wage gap/ income inequities are partisan issues.  lol.  

[MDC 5,877]

Is the wage gap / income inequality something any Republicans talk about? Who is the right win Bernie Sanders on these issues?  

[TBayXXXVII 2,106]

15 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish ...

If only we took that approach to the government assistance program.  

[jonmx 1,558]

Empower the government to coin money, and through corruption the robber barons will usurp that power and the people will be enslaved to that fraudulent debt to perpetuity.  

[paulinstl 295]

16 hours ago, weepaws said:

That’s wrong, it’s satin.  He’s the worst enemy everyone has, but yet fools praise him.  This crap is only going to get worst peoples.  

The Bible tells us so.  

God Bless. 

Satin is a fabric, Satan is the Devil. Are you afraid of nylon too?

 

Mook

[seafoam1 1,878]

16 minutes ago, paulinstl said:

Satin is a fabric, Satan is the Devil. Are you afraid of nylon too?

 

Mook

st.louis

ya ga ga bo

[BillyKing 83]

19 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/07/neo-nazi-cyberattacks-on-the-rise-dhs-very-concerned-about-power-grid/

 

No way in hell this is true. As you say when you see deodorant: I’m not buying it  

[Gepetto 979]

9 hours ago, MDC said:

Is the wage gap / income inequality something any Republicans talk about? Who is the right win Bernie Sanders on these issues?  

There is no intent for income to be equal.  We don't want a socialist society.  You get what you want/take in this world.

[jonmx 1,558]

17 hours ago, MDC said:

Is the wage gap / income inequality something any Republicans talk about? Who is the right win Bernie Sanders on these issues?  

A more powerful big government police state in bed with big corp. fascist is not the answer.  We need to break down the police state which seeks to watch us and control us 24/7 and to break up these mega corps and put up a barrier between them and government.  Once we have our country back then we can worry about a better tax system.  Let me tell you this....just because the leftist talk about wealth inequality, nothing they ever propose or do helps it at all.   It just feeds and grows the big government beast and expands power and wealth of the giant multi-nationsl corporations. 

[RLLD 3,455]

How long will we have to wait for one of these groups to take over a city, then burn and loot it?

[MDC 5,877]

59 minutes ago, jonmx said:

A more powerful big government police state in bed with big corp. fascist is not the answer.  We need to break down the police state which seeks to watch us and control us 24/7 and to break up these mega corps and put up a barrier between them and government.  Once we have our country back then we can worry about a better tax system.  Let me tell you this....just because the leftist talk about wealth inequality, nothing they ever propose or do helps it at all.   It just feeds and grows the big government beast and expands power and wealth of the giant multi-nationsl corporations. 

I’m just asking whether any republicans talk about the wage gap / $ inequality as an issue. I’ll take that as a “no”.

[RLLD 3,455]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m just asking whether any republicans talk about the wage gap / $ inequality as an issue. I’ll take that as a “no”.

I think they talk about it when it is politically expedient to do so.  I don't think they will actually do anything meaningful to address it. 

[Patented Phil 823]

I must be watching the news at the wrong time. Do you think that if white supremacy is the biggest threat to the country it would be on the news - daily?  Weekly?  Oh wait a minute. I did see CNN the other night report on that horrible white supremacist who tried to kill the president. It’s kind of strange that they never showed his face.  He must’ve really been scary looking.

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9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think they talk about it when it is politically expedient to do so.  I don't think they will actually do anything meaningful to address it. 

Bernie Sanders and a few others have been banging the drum on it for years. I can’t think of a Republican politician who has ever talked about the wage gap or income inequality as an issue. 

[RLLD 3,455]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Bernie Sanders and a few others have been banging the drum on it for years. I can’t think of a Republican politician who has ever talked about the wage gap or income inequality as an issue. 

Agree, that is why I said that they wouldn't.  I think Sanders does care, and I think that is rare among politicians. I also suggest that Sanders tends to have bad ideas as to how to deal with it. 

[MDC 5,877]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Agree, that is why I said that they wouldn't.  I think Sanders does care, and I think that is rare among politicians. I also suggest that Sanders tends to have bad ideas as to how to deal with it. 

I’ve said it before: Dems have bad ideas Reps have no ideas.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,588]

I stoped paying attention to Bernie when he got brushed aside at his own campaign rally by those BLM heifers.  And when he let Hillary amd the media shite all over him. Also, the third house was a killer. 

[RLLD 3,455]

23 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’ve said it before: Dems have bad ideas Reps have no ideas.

Perhaps.  I think they both have bad ideas, to varying degrees. I prefer they do as little as possible and allow the system to be more self-governing.  But still play a regulatory role where absolutely needed.  I do not see government as a "good" solution to much....but I allow that they can be useful. 

[MDC 5,877]

Just now, RLLD said:

Perhaps.  I think they both have bad ideas, to varying degrees. I prefer they do as little as possible and allow the system to be more self-governing.  But still play a regulatory role where absolutely needed.  I do not see government as a "good" solution to much....but I allow that they can be useful. 

Whether the gov’t can or should try to do anything about income equality is debatable. My point is that the GOP doesn’t think income equality is an issue at all.

They’re more interested in tranny stuff. 

[RLLD 3,455]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Whether the gov’t can or should try to do anything about income equality is debatable. My point is that the GOP doesn’t think income equality is an issue at all.

They’re more interested in tranny stuff. 

Hard to be sure where their greatest interest is residing, I think the attention paid to it is suitable, but mostly to protect kids from that excrement. But like, Desantis has missed the mark and through that excessive focus is not touching on some of the things, like the topic of income,  that need more attention.

Income inequality is a natural result of any system, how to handle it is not going to be a simple solution. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,106]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I’ve said it before: Reps have no ideas.

 

1 hour ago, MDC said:

My point is that the GOP doesn’t think income equality is an issue at all

Why should the GOP have an idea for an issue they don't think exists?  Why should anyone?

It's like someone complaining about the Chiefs because they have no ideas on how to upgrade their QB position.

 

You're blaming them for not having the same opinion as yourself.

[Mike Hunt 153]

On 5/23/2023 at 9:30 PM, Pimpadeaux said:

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/07/neo-nazi-cyberattacks-on-the-rise-dhs-very-concerned-about-power-grid/

 

Salon.com is an American politically left, progressive/liberal news and opinion website created in 1995. 

[Dizkneelande 839]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Whether the gov’t can or should try to do anything about income equality is debatable. My point is that the GOP doesn’t think income equality is an issue at all.

They’re more interested in tranny stuff. 

What are some ideas you can think of off the top of your head that would solve income inequality?

[listen2me 23 1,534]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I’ve said it before: Dems have bad ideas Reps have no ideas.

"If" this is the case wouldn't it be sound logic to opt for no ideas over bad ones?

[MDC 5,877]

12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

Why should the GOP have an idea for an issue they don't think exists? 

I never said they should.

[MDC 5,877]

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

"If" this is the case wouldn't it be sound logic to opt for no ideas over bad ones?

In some cases yeah. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,106]

Just now, MDC said:

I never said they should.

Did you not, in consecutive posts (that I quoted), blame them for not having ideas and for not thinking income equality was a problem?

[The Real timschochet 2,872]

Most conservatives aren’t white supremacists. Most of you guys aren’t hateful bigots. So why defend them? I don’t get it. 

[MDC 5,877]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Did you not, in consecutive posts (that I quoted), blame them for not having ideas and for not thinking income equality was a problem?

Tardcore said income inequality / wage disparity isn’t a partisan issue. Seems to me it is a partisan issue if one party thinks it’s a problem and the other doesn’t. Get it?

[dogcows 1,029]

20 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Why should the GOP have an idea for an issue they don't think exists?  Why should anyone?

The better question is: why should anybody vote for a party that refuses to acknowledge one of the biggest problems facing America?

Take a look through history at times when wealth inequality reached extremes. The results were never pretty.