War in Israel

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

11 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

There's a difference between someone saying deport them all and those calling for deporting foreign visa holders who support Hamas.  I'm 100% behind deporting any foreign national who was involved in breaking the law, damaging property, etc. like went on at Grand Central Station or who is part of intimidation and violence against students on campuses.

Any foreign national living here who commits a violent crime or felony, for whatever reason, should be subject to deportation, period. I also support that. But that’s very different from the racism and bigotry that Trump and other conservatives are currently spreading. 

[jerryskids 6,734]

18 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/gop-presidential-candidates-anti-israel-hamas-student-protests/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/06/zinke-palestian-deportation-bill/

https://newrepublic.com/post/176666/house-republicans-bill-expel-palestinians-country

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/10/gop-presidential-field-deport-pro-palestine-protestors

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-immigration-proposals-2024-deportations/
 

Here come the excuses

I read your first article; DeSantis is calling for the elimination of Students for the Justice of Palestine (SJP) at two Florida public universities.  That seems prudent. 

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Meanwhile, in a memorandum to Florida colleges and universities vowing to protect Jewish students, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis requested the shut down of SJP chapters at two colleges, citing Florida's material support law, which says it's a felony "to provide material support or resources to Hamas, or any designated foreign terrorist organization." 

"Based on the National SJP's support of terrorism, in consultation with Governor DeSantis, the student chapters must be deactivated," Florida State University System Chancellor Ray Rodrigues wrote. "These two student chapters may form another organization that complies with Florida state statutes and university policies. The two institutions should grant these two chapters a waiver for the fall deadlines, should reapplication take place."

I love this quote from Brandeis:

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Brandeis University shut down SJP after it planned a vigil for "martyrs in Gaza." The university president said in a Boston Globe editorial, "Universities cannot stop hate speech, but they can stop paying for it."

That being said, the call for the removal of student visas, and potential deportation associated with it, without stronger direct ties to terrorist activity is bad.

[Strike 5,441]

 

[Strike 5,441]

3 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Does he know you’re of the Jewish faith? Be careful he’s more apt to stick an ice pick in your neck before  you could say jack robinson than to shake your hand

Tim is no more of the Jewish faith than the piece of Ham steak I had with breakfast this morning.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

23 minutes ago, Strike said:

Tim is no more of the Jewish faith than the piece of Ham steak I had with breakfast this morning.

 That’s gold right there! 

[Gepetto 1,354]

Well if the Republican nominee wins the Presidency and they have the power to deport all Palestinians, all Muslims, then by all means deport all Liberals too - they can find a two state solutions with the Palestinians - send them to Turkey for starters. 

[nobody 2,653]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes, are you not paying attention? 

Paying attention?  I'm literally shaking right now.

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Tim is no more of the Jewish faith than the piece of Ham steak I had with breakfast this morning.

That piece of ham didn’t have to have part of his manhood removed. I may have been only a baby but I remember! 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

20 minutes ago, nobody said:

Paying attention?  I'm literally shaking right now.

Alright we get it, you're shaking, how many times are you gonna post that?

[nobody 2,653]

Until I stop shaking?

If Trump wins, we're going to be rounding up Muslims to deport and put in internment camps, and jail.

How are you guys not terrified?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

Well if the Republican nominee wins the Presidency and they have the power to deport all Palestinians, all Muslims, then by all means deport all Liberals too - they can find a two state solutions with the Palestinians - send them to Turkey for starters. 

So you were full of sh1t. Thanks for admitting it

[jerryskids 6,734]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

One of my tenants is Palestinian, I’ve known him for 30 years. Great guy, has a stereo business, his sons work for him, always pays his rent on time. Very friendly. 
I hadn’t seen him in a while so we talked today. He’s scared. Several Republican politicians, led by Donald Trump, are talking about deporting or jailing all those of Palestinian descent, maybe all Muslims. He’s an American citizen, but he’s concerned that in the current climate it won’t matter. 

I told him there were always hateful bigots like Trump around and right now they were particularly loud. I said that the Republicans are currently suffering from some sort of national sickness, but that they were mostly good people and they would eventually recover, I told him that fear and bigotry wouldn’t win the day. 

I hope I’m right. 

When you say he is "Palestinian," what exactly do you mean?  Was he born and raised in Gaza or the West Bank?  Or has ancestors that lived there?  I'm guessing the latter, in part because I'm being told that nobody can escape the open-air prison over there.  

If he was born and raised there, I wouldn't share your Jewish heritage with him.  He's been programmed since childhood to want to kill you.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

It would be great if Tim asked his make believe Palestinian friend what his thoughts on the lgbtq+ community are.

[HellToupee 1,720]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It would be great if Tim asked his make believe Palestinian friend what his thoughts on the lgbtq+ community are.

no chance 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

When you say he is "Palestinian," what exactly do you mean?  Was he born and raised in Gaza or the West Bank?  Or has ancestors that lived there?  I'm guessing the latter, in part because I'm being told that nobody can escape the open-air prison over there.  

If he was born and raised there, I wouldn't share your Jewish heritage with him.  He's been programmed since childhood to want to kill you.   

He was born in the West Bank and raised there. And he’s known I am Jewish for years. He and my dad were friends and I’ve known him for over 20 years. 
 

This is an example of what you’ve been told in conservative media is completely wrong. There are friendships like this all over the USA and also in the Middle East. Reality is quite different from what you think it is. The vast majority of Palestinians are just like everybody you know: regular people just trying to get along. 

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It would be great if Tim asked his make believe Palestinian friend what his thoughts on the lgbtq+ community are.

Never talked to him about it. I have had Muslim gay friends in the past though. One in particular but I’ve lost track of him. I think he was from Yemen. 

[jerryskids 6,734]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He was born in the West Bank and raised there. And he’s known I am Jewish for years. He and my dad were friends and I’ve known him for over 20 years. 
 

This is an example of what you’ve been told in conservative media is completely wrong. There are friendships like this all over the USA and also in the Middle East. Reality is quite different from what you think it is. The vast majority of Palestinians are just like everybody you know: regular people just trying to get along. 

No, they aren't.  72% of Palestinians oppose a two state solution.  Which means, eliminate Israel.  Gutter even provided a poll for you up thread.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx

The poll also shows that the younger the person, the more likely they are to want Israel eliminated.  So it is only getting worse.

Whatever credibility you have is lost when you use hyperboles like "vast majority" when you don't even have any majority.  I recall this about you from FBGs.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He was born in the West Bank and raised there. And he’s known I am Jewish for years. He and my dad were friends and I’ve known him for over 20 years. 
 

This is an example of what you’ve been told in conservative media is completely wrong. There are friendships like this all over the USA and also in the Middle East. Reality is quite different from what you think it is. The vast majority of Palestinians are just like everybody you know: regular people just trying to get along. 

Then I don’t think he has anything to worry about and I would condemn deporting him based solely on the fact that he is Palestinian. Trump hasn’t said he would deport anyone based on that. Their status in this country, non citizen, combined with support of Hamas would make expelling them reasonable. Hard to believe anyone would have an issue with that. Hamas is no different than Isis, and we wouldn’t stand for support of them.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, they aren't.  72% of Palestinians oppose a two state solution.  Which means, eliminate Israel.  Gutter even provided a poll for you up thread.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx

The poll also shows that the younger the person, the more likely they are to want Israel eliminated.  So it is only getting worse.

Whatever credibility you have is lost when you use hyperboles like "vast majority" when you don't even have any majority.  I recall this about you from FBGs.

Did you know it's about the same for Israelis?  Which means Israelis want Palestine eliminated.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/26/israelis-have-grown-more-skeptical-of-a-two-state-solution/

And that was before the attack, it's gotta be much less now 

[Gepetto 1,354]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

So you were full of sh1t. Thanks for admitting it

No. You were. You made it sound like it was about all Palestinians in the U.S. Not even close. Eat crow b!tch. Also, you're wrong and really stupid with almost every post you make here for over a decade.

[Gepetto 1,354]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

So you were full of sh1t. Thanks for admitting it

I was being facetious because I know the President doesn't have that power and that the hopeful Republican nominees didn't say what the headlines in your links say, if you either read the entire article or bothered being honest about it.

[jerryskids 6,734]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Did you know it's about the same for Israelis?  Which means Israelis want Palestine eliminated.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/09/26/israelis-have-grown-more-skeptical-of-a-two-state-solution/

And that was before the attack, it's gotta be much less now 

The difference is the motivation.  Palestinians don't want a two-state solution because they want Israel eliminate.  Israelis don't believe it can work because 75 years of  Palestinian terrorist history makes them skeptical.

Israel abandon Gaza in 2005, how did that work out?  Palestinians elected Hamas, and hilarity ensued.

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

42 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, they aren't.  72% of Palestinians oppose a two state solution.  Which means, eliminate Israel.  Gutter even provided a poll for you up thread.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/512828/palestinians-lack-faith-biden-two-state-solution.aspx

The poll also shows that the younger the person, the more likely they are to want Israel eliminated.  So it is only getting worse.

Whatever credibility you have is lost when you use hyperboles like "vast majority" when you don't even have any majority.  I recall this about you from FBGs.

What they want politically is not the same as “I’m going to kill every Jew I meet.” That’s what you’re not getting. 

[jerryskids 6,734]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

What they want politically is not the same as “I’m going to kill every Jew I meet.” That’s what you’re not getting. 

I didn't say that the majority want to kill every Jew they meet.  I questioned your assertion that the vast majority "just want to get along."  

I wonder how many approve of the Hamas raping and burning all those women and children on 10/7?  A lot more than you think; of that I am confident.

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

40 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I didn't say that the majority want to kill every Jew they meet.  I questioned your assertion that the vast majority "just want to get along."  

I wonder how many approve of the Hamas raping and burning all those women and children on 10/7?  A lot more than you think; of that I am confident.

Well my friend doesn’t. We discussed it. He strongly disapproves of Hamas. 

I was responding to your statement “he has been programmed since childhood to try to kill you.” That’s absurd. It’s something you learned from right wing sources, and bears no relation to reality. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

People in the this country think our religious “fanatics” are on the same level as Muslim fanatics and they can be dismissed like we do ours. I always like to bring up the disgusting people at the Westboro Baptist church, an example of our fanatics. They tell gay people that god hates them and they are going to hell when they die. But Muslim fanatics want to speed up the process and send them to hell now. Yet one gets defended while the other one, rightfully, gets scorn. And spare me with the nonsense that no one is defending the Muslim fanatics.  I think the last month has shown that more than a few do. It’s kinda widespread. We have sitting members of congress that refuse to condemn Hamas. 

[League Champion 1,909]

 

[jerryskids 6,734]

6 minutes ago, League Champion said:

 

I love that a bunch of people in the UK are tagging their police force and asking if they're going to arrest this guy for hate speech.  We'll see if they do.  I'm not holding my breath though.

[jerryskids 6,734]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well my friend doesn’t. We discussed it. He strongly disapproves of Hamas. 

I was responding to your statement “he has been programmed since childhood to try to kill you.” That’s absurd. It’s something you learned from right wing sources, and bears no relation to reality. 

Your friend is full of shiot, probably telling you what you want to hear because he is your tenant.  I'm not saying that he personally hates Jews, but the systemic hatred taught to Palestinian children is well known, and if he grew up there, he is more than aware of it.  Take your pick of sources here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+palestinian+children+taught+to+hate+Jews&oq=are+palestinian+children+taught+to+hate+Jews&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDk1MzRqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

[Mark Davis 389]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

The difference is the motivation.  Palestinians don't want a two-state solution because they want Israel eliminate.  Israelis don't believe it can work because 75 years of  Palestinian terrorist history makes them skeptical.

Israel abandon Gaza in 2005, how did that work out?  Palestinians elected Hamas, and hilarity ensued.

There's a reason Egypt wouldn't take that territory today and it has nothing to do with topography.  I don't think the Egyptians are Islamophobes either. 

[jerryskids 6,734]

5 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

There's a reason Egypt wouldn't take that territory today and it has nothing to do with topography.  I don't think the Egyptians are Islamophobes either. 

Nobody wants them, they are toxic even in the Islamic world.  Yet Israel is the bad guys, doing Apartheid and open air prisons, for not letting Palestinians roam freely through Israel so they can bomb a bunch of stuff.

[lickin_starfish 1,919]

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https://patriots.win/p/17rlw0t1vU/everything-is-ok-in-nyc-looks-li/c/

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

Leftists and Muslims United. Strange bedfellows indeed. Communists aren’t the only ones  that employ useful idiots. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

12 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Any foreign national living here who commits a violent crime or felony, for whatever reason, should be subject to deportation, period. I also support that. But that’s very different from the racism and bigotry that Trump and other conservatives are currently spreading. 

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/undocumented-immigrant-thread.773257/post-21973863

timschochet: "I agree that living in this country is a privilege. I agree that those who live here are asked to follow laws. As it turns out, undocumented people usually follow the laws better than do our native born citizens. They are more deserving of the privilege of staying than most people who are born here."

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/more-terrorism-in-france-or-something-else.744497/post-19237805

timschochet: "I think reasonable people will oppose deportation and internment. I think reasonable people won't even discuss such "solutions" and shun those who do."

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23373480

timschochet: "Sometimes, in fact quite often,  political correctness, or “cancel culture”, can be a very good thing. I would like to cancel the term “illegal immigrants”. Here is my argument: In a free society, a person cannot be illegal; only an act is illegal. It’s true that we sometimes refer to a person who has committed a serious crime as a felon (meaning one who has committed a felony.) But the act of not having proper papers, or crossing the border illegally, or staying here beyond one’s visa: NONE of these acts are felonies. They are all misdemeanors.  By referring to an undocumented person as an “illegal” we are dehumanizing them, making them non-persons in our society. I do not believe this is deliberate for most people who use this term; they do so without really considering the effects of what they’re saying . Which is why I do not, at the present time, condemn anyone for using the term “illegal”. But I would like to reach a time when everyone recognizes that it’s offensive, and then we CAN condemn those who use it."

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/what-should-we-do-about-illegal-immigration.804004/post-23996606

timschochet: "I have, for the record, always been opposed to minimum wage."

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23374644

timschochet: "Depends on the job. Sometimes it probably works out to under minimum wage; sometimes over. The whole point of independent contractor work is that you don’t worry about it. I pay for convenience and availability."

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23375932

Doc Holliday: "So, we shouldn’t use the term Illegal Immigrants for people that enter the country illegally.   It is ok, however, to take advantage of their desperation to eat and take care of their families by hiring them for as little money as possible and without paying into health insurance, work comp, or unemployment.   

At least we now know why Tim feels bad for the illegals.  He is using them and profiting nicely. To make yourself feel better Tim, you should take a bunch of illegals into your home. " 

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don%E2%80%99t-call-undocumented-people-%E2%80%9Cillegal-immigrants%E2%80%9D.796358/post-23375464

timschochet: "But I’m still not convinced that I am doing anything morally, ethically wrong in my transactions with day laborers. Quite the opposite."

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don’t-call-undocumented-people-“illegal-immigrants”.796358/post-23375541

Ditkaless Wonders: "Where, do you suppose, that couch ends up?  At a licensed disposal site or at someone else's shopping center or alleyway?  You are paying folks you know to be in the country illegally to perform work which will result in a crime being committed, illegal dumping.  Yes, I get that you can hide behind semantics and say you don't know these things for sure, but you know it, you just refuse to admit what you know in your heart to be so."

 

https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/please-don’t-call-undocumented-people-“illegal-immigrants”.796358/post-23375649

timschochet: "Actually your post goes to the original point of my thread. I hold that staying in this country without papers is not a serious crime. It IS, however, a crime. But as you correctly point out, most of us break some sort of law several times a year. You may not hire undocumented people (that you’re aware of,) but you probably drive over the speed limit and do hundreds of things that are technically against some law or too. Should I therefore refer to you, and myself, and everyone reading this as “illegal”?  Now I’m sure someone will respond that the term specifically refers to immigration. But I would counter, ask a Native American. He or she might respond, with great legitimacy, that we are ALL illegal immigrants."

[The Real timschochet 6,661]

The obsession continues. And look at the amount of work he did. 
But I should be grateful; I enjoyed reading my old comments. And I stand by all of them; I’m not ashamed of any of them. 

[HellToupee 1,720]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The obsession continues. And look at the amount of work he did. 
But I should be grateful; I enjoyed reading my old comments. And I stand by all of them; I’m not ashamed of any of them. 

You love the attention. Probably had a full head of steam in your pants reading BH’s post

[nobody 2,653]

Wow.  Tim is bigger POS than I thought.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,280]

What is this nonsense about a person can’t be illegal? The term illegal alien refers to their immigration status, and it’s 100 pct accurate. That’s it. What a stupid Fockin play on words. And millions nod along to it. 

[Cdub100 3,894]

13 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I love that a bunch of people in the UK are tagging their police force and asking if they're going to arrest this guy for hate speech.  We'll see if they do.  I'm not holding my breath though.

It's sad those people fall into the hate speech trap. They point fingers and say ohhhh ohhh arrest him for hate speech giving power to this idiotic belief that hate speech should be punishable. 

[Reality 3,121]

35 minutes ago, nobody said:

Wow.  Tim is bigger POS than I thought.

No doubt.