Details released on bipartisan immigration bill that MAGAturds don't want because it vaporizes a Clownzo campaign issue

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19 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Jesus Tim. I'm not one of the pantywaists around here that has a deep-seated personal vendetta against you; I mostly think you add a lot of value to this place.

But what evidence are you using to make the above conclusion? Democrats are absolutely incompetent at messaging. This statement is straight outta your ass, buddy.

  Wait, I am agreeing with @Fnord? 

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1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Jesus Tim. I'm not one of the pantywaists around here that has a deep-seated personal vendetta against you; I mostly think you add a lot of value to this place.

But what evidence are you using to make the above conclusion? Democrats are absolutely incompetent at messaging. This statement is straight outta your ass, buddy.

My evidence is the last several election cycles. You’re quite right that Democrats are incompetent at messaging but the Republicans have proved even more inept as of late. This whole impeachment of Mayorkis thing makes them look even more ridiculous. 

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Here’s my point: by killing the border deal Republicans are allowing Democrats to go on offense on the border issue: 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/31/politics/democrats-immigration-strategy/index.html

Now is this gonna work with the MAGA folks, or Republicans in general? Hell no. But will it work with independents? Maybe. Probably. “We tried to fix it and Republicans said no because they want to win the election and that’s all they care about”- it’s a compelling argument. 

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7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I don't like when he does it either, RusTDS.  That's my new nickname for you, BTW.

So congrats, we are both down to his level.  But I know why I'm doing it.   

So you don't like derogatory nicknames, condemn those who come up with nicknames for those who spew derogatory nicknames and then create your own nickname for someone who comes up with a nickname for those who spew derogatory nicknames.

Weeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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7 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

You know all Biden has to do is enforce current immigration laws on the books. It’s really that simple. So all this bipartisan and bill stuff is pure nonsense 

His argument is that he doesn’t have the manpower to do so: 

“Give me the border patrol, give me the people, give me the judges.” 
 

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Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

So you don't like derogatory nicknames, condemn those who come up with nicknames for those who spew derogatory nicknames and then create your own nickname for someone who comes up with a nickname for those who spew derogatory nicknames.

Weeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clownzo is a bozo. I agree.check this out.

 

 

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Tim thinks voters that count are going to blame republicans for the border. Lol. 

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41 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

His argument is that he doesn’t have the manpower to do so: 

“Give me the border patrol, give me the people, give me the judges.” 
 

His argument isn’t valid. They have the same number of employees. Maybe if he could work with Mexico like orange hitler who you know had them doing their part. Mexico has taken its army off the border cause of Biden 

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46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s my point: by killing the border deal Republicans are allowing Democrats to go on offense on the border issue: 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/31/politics/democrats-immigration-strategy/index.html

Now is this gonna work with the MAGA folks, or Republicans in general? Hell no. But will it work with independents? Maybe. Probably. “We tried to fix it and Republicans said no because they want to win the election and that’s all they care about”- it’s a compelling argument. 

Killing the border deal is a lie. People aren’t that stupid 

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Trump makes it much better on day one and he’s not  waiting on congress. Biden could too. 

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155 House Democrats including Jeffries and his top committee leaders voted AGAINST a bill to deport criminal migrants who steal social security benefits from American seniors. 

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The left have convinced themselves they can blame Trump for the chaos they created. Good luck. 

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1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

155 House Democrats including Jeffries and his top committee leaders voted AGAINST a bill to deport criminal migrants who steal social security benefits from American seniors. 

What are the voting patterns of those "seniors"?   The basic premise of the Democrats is "if you dont vote for us, then fock you"   

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30 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The left have convinced themselves they can blame Trump for the chaos they created. Good luck. 

Republicans, and now Trump, are absolutely responsible for the chaos. They had numerous chances over the last 20 years to have a comprehensive immigration reform deal. Each time House Republicans killed it. They don’t want to solve this problem. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Republicans, and now Trump, are absolutely responsible for the chaos. They had numerous chances over the last 20 years to have a comprehensive immigration reform deal. Each time House Republicans killed it. They don’t want to solve this problem. 

As Trump proved, there is no need to reform it. No need for a sword when a screwdriver will do. Secure the border. It can be done without congress. Are you going to sit here and tell me it will be status quo if Trump wins? Never forget that during a pandemic you could walk here without being tested but you couldn’t fly here without it. Why’s that? 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As Trump proved, there is no need to reform it. No need for a sword when a screwdriver will do. Secure the border. It can be done without congress. Are you going to sit here and tell me it will be status quo if Trump wins? Never forget that during a pandemic you could walk here without being tested but you couldn’t fly here without it. Why’s that? 

Oh no it will not be status quo. It will be far worse. Trump’s polices before, such as they were, were a disaster and a disgrace to this country. This time they will be far far worse. 

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27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Oh no it will not be status quo. It will be far worse. Trump’s polices before, such as they were, were a disaster and a disgrace to this country. This time they will be far far worse. 

So the border will be worse? That is the subject.  How will it be worse? What will he do that he didn’t do last time? 

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31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Oh no it will not be status quo. It will be far worse. Trump’s polices before, such as they were, were a disaster and a disgrace to this country. This time they will be far far worse. 

it will be worse?  You mean this is good?  Trump was in line with every president prior

 

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37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

As Trump proved, there is no need to reform it. No need for a sword when a screwdriver will do. Secure the border. It can be done without congress. Are you going to sit here and tell me it will be status quo if Trump wins? Never forget that during a pandemic you could walk here without being tested but you couldn’t fly here without it. Why’s that? 

Reform is always needed.   Government rarely gets something "right", and the immigration policy is no different.  I can assure you, the entire concept of immigration needs to be redone.....

That being said, Trump at least tried to stem it.....to protect us.....and I was pleased with his efforts to be sure.

I would expect even better from him this time around.   Deal with the immediate bleeding? yes....of course,  the ineffectual Biden has passively permitted a horrible pattern of behavior and outcomes.....he is pathetic....

I would demand that Trump close the border, period and end of story....shut, it, the, fock, down.....

But then I want a wall, backed by people....armed....with the ability to take the fight to the enemy as they assault the border.....within days we will see the migration diminish.

And then, try to find enough people in congress who actually do want to solve immigration, and THAT will be tough.  They all lie and pretend to care about it in varying levels....finding enough people who want a fix is the main problem.

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51 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Republicans, and now Trump, are absolutely responsible for the chaos. They had numerous chances over the last 20 years to have a comprehensive immigration reform deal. Each time House Republicans killed it. They don’t want to solve this problem. 

Reagan passed comprehensive immigration reform in 1986.  Government gave amnesty to 13 million illegals and then conveniently forgot to implement the rest of the bill he passed.  Why should we pass additional immigration reform when we were promised that after 1986 the problem would be solved?

And the comprehensive immigration reform is essentially just letting in millions and millions of more illegals.  It doesn't solve the problem.  I'd really love it if our government did their actual focking job and solved the problem.  Absent that I won't support any reform bill that is in name only.

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22 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Reform is always needed.   Government rarely gets something "right", and the immigration policy is no different.  I can assure you, the entire concept of immigration needs to be redone.....

That being said, Trump at least tried to stem it.....to protect us.....and I was pleased with his efforts to be sure.

I would expect even better from him this time around.   Deal with the immediate bleeding? yes....of course,  the ineffectual Biden has passively permitted a horrible pattern of behavior and outcomes.....he is pathetic....

I would demand that Trump close the border, period and end of story....shut, it, the, fock, down.....

But then I want a wall, backed by people....armed....with the ability to take the fight to the enemy as they assault the border.....within days we will see the migration diminish.

And then, try to find enough people in congress who actually do want to solve immigration, and THAT will be tough.  They all lie and pretend to care about it in varying levels....finding enough people who want a fix is the main problem.

The reforms will include amnesty. You know this. Nope. Tighten it up. You want reform you’re going to have to give them what they schemed to get. No thanks 

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16 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

So you don't like derogatory nicknames, condemn those who come up with nicknames for those who spew derogatory nicknames and then create your own nickname for someone who comes up with a nickname for those who spew derogatory nicknames.

Weeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly, RusTDS.   

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8 hours ago, RLLD said:

What are the voting patterns of those "seniors"?   The basic premise of the Democrats is "if you dont vote for us, then fock you"   

Good point. Also, 150 Democrats voted against a bill to deport illegals caught driving while drunk

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1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

Good point. Also, 150 Democrats voted against a bill to deport illegals caught driving while drunk

Chances are that these are the same people Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell want to strike a border deal with.

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The president can close the border if he wants.  Hell - Texas already did it for him and he simply undid it!

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Crossings in Texas plummeted last month. And they said it couldn’t be done. CA and Arizona picking up the slack. 

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13 minutes ago, Flipper said:

The president can close the border if he wants.  Hell - Texas already did it for him and he simply undid it!

This

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Bump. Details of this thing will be released tomorrow and will include how they vote.

Now realize, last week, the majority of Democrats don't want illegal aliens deported for getting a DUI. That's who the Dems have negotiating this, allegedly in good faith.

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On 2/1/2024 at 8:41 AM, Strike said:

Reagan passed comprehensive immigration reform in 1986.  Government gave amnesty to 13 million illegals and then conveniently forgot to implement the rest of the bill he passed.  Why should we pass additional immigration reform when we were promised that after 1986 the problem would be solved?

 

Because it was good for America, because it strengthened the economy. 
 

This new deal apparently has no amnesty or path to citizenship, which is unfortunate. But let’s be very clear: if Congress passed a bill giving immediate amnesty and full citizenship to every undocumented person living here without any kind of additional border security, it would still have a net very positive economic effect for this country. 

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Duh.

Biden's handlers know how stupid his supporters are though, just look at this thread.

 

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2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Duh.

Biden's handlers know how stupid his supporters are though, just look at this thread.

 

And that’s that. 

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Today we should finally learn what the law says and can actually discuss it's merits.

Expecting us to just agree to something because Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney got together with a bunch of Democrats is stupid. But fair enough, that works both ways, rejecting it because President Trump warns us it's bad is also unfair.

A reminder of four things adn likely much much more:

• Remember that Joe Biden has the same laws on the books that Donald Trump had and does absolutely nothing.
• That Joe Biden blocks Texas from enforcing US immigration policy
• That just last week, 3/4 of House Democrats came out in support open borders to the extent that even illegal aliens convicted of a DUI must not be deported.
• That in their 2019 presidential debate, all ten Democrat presidential candidates came out in support of paying for health care to illegal aliens

So among all their other dozens of flaws, on immigration, this is exactly who the Democrats are and this is what we are dealing with.

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19 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Today we should finally learn what the law says and can actually discuss it's merits.

Expecting us to just agree to something because Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney got together with a bunch of Democrats is stupid. But fair enough, that works both ways, rejecting it because President Trump warns us it's bad is also unfair.

A reminder of four things adn likely much much more:

• Remember that Joe Biden has the same laws on the books that Donald Trump had and does absolutely nothing.
• That Joe Biden blocks Texas from enforcing US immigration policy
• That just last week, 3/4 of House Democrats came out in support open borders to the extent that even illegal aliens convicted of a DUI must not be deported.
• That in their 2019 presidential debate, all ten Democrat presidential candidates came out in support of paying for health care to illegal aliens

So among all their other dozens of flaws. on immigration, this is exactly who the Democrats are and this is what we are dealing with.

Great legal minds like the one below already decided we had to pass this law before they ever had a single detail about what was in the Bill. His overlords sent out the marching orders, and these focking morons proceeded to march. It never mattered to him what was actually in the Bill. That's the kind of people we're dealing with...

On 1/27/2024 at 9:08 AM, IGotWorms said:

Imagine wanting people to think border security is your absolute number one priority, but when presented with a law that would require the president to close it down, you reject it.

You must think people are really stupid

Not a single new law is needed to handle the border issue. Period. People with more than 2 brain cells to rub together know this.

 

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44 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Today we should finally learn what the law says and can actually discuss it's merits.

Expecting us to just agree to something because Mitch McConnell and Mitt Romney got together with a bunch of Democrats is stupid. But fair enough, that works both ways, rejecting it because President Trump warns us it's bad is also unfair.

A reminder of four things adn likely much much more:

• Remember that Joe Biden has the same laws on the books that Donald Trump had and does absolutely nothing.
• That Joe Biden blocks Texas from enforcing US immigration policy
• That just last week, 3/4 of House Democrats came out in support open borders to the extent that even illegal aliens convicted of a DUI must not be deported.
• That in their 2019 presidential debate, all ten Democrat presidential candidates came out in support of paying for health care to illegal aliens

So among all their other dozens of flaws, on immigration, this is exactly who the Democrats are and this is what we are dealing with.

In response to your 4 items: 

1. I don’t care whether you or Bill Maher or whomever makes this argument it’s not accurate. The only significant difference between Trump and Biden years in terms of enforcement that has had any effect is Remain  in Mexico and it would have been thrown out by the courts by now even if Trump had been re-elected. Trump’s other policies, beyond being inhumane and cruel, were also completely ineffective. If Trump was President right now we would be facing the exact same crisis at the border and he would be asking Congress for the exact same powers that Biden is asking for- except that his proposals would be a lot crueler and a lot less effective. 

2. Texas is not enforcing US immigration policy. Barbed wires in rivers plays no part in US policy, never has, and never should. Texas is acting as a rogue agent in many ways and needs to be stopped. 

3. I would have voted for that bill and many Democrats did. The majority that did not argued that there should be no new deportation laws on the books without comprehensive immigration reform, a broader argument which I also generally agree with. Your interpretation that they are for open borders is false and extreme.

4. Of course undocumented immigrants need health care. There are around 15 million of these people. Without healthcare they can be a public health risk, particularly when it comes to tuberculosis. Every visit to the ER costs us far more as taxpayers than if we simply gave them access, this is just common sense. We would save tons of money by doing this. 

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Bipartisan immigration bill details released.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-asylum-reform-bill-released-senate-text-rcna136602

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The agreement — reached by Sens. James Lankford, R-Okla., Chris Murphy, D-Conn., and Kyrsten Sinema, I-Ariz. — would be the most aggressive border security and migration overhaul bill in decades if it passes Congress. It would raise the standard to get asylum, send away those who don't qualify and expedite cases for those who do.

 

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Oh goodie. The emergency activation only occurs after 4K instead of 5. So the cartels will be sure to stay below 4. GTFO. Laughable. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh goodie. The emergency activation only occurs after 4K instead of 5. So the cartels will be sure to stay below 4. GTFO. Laughable. 

This is what you've wanted, chim chim. 

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2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This is what you've wanted, chim chim. 

Apparently not. I do my own thinking, unlike you, who gobbles up every bit of nonsense presented to you. 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Apparently not. I do my own thinking, unlike you, who gobbles up every bit of nonsense presented to you. 

He's a regular at the DNC Glory Hole.  Can't slurp up the propaganda fast enough.  Plus, it's just easier when you let your libtard masters tell you what to think, that way you don't have to expend any effort yourself.  That's a lot of work!

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Sounds like something the MAGA crowd should want

 

 

The bill features some of the most significant border security restrictions Congress has contemplated in years. They include making it more difficult to claim asylum, vastly expanding detention capacity and effectively shutting down the border to new entrants if more than an average of 5,000 migrants per day try to cross over unlawfully in the course of a week, or more than 8,500 attempt to cross in any given day.