Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

[Fnord 2,275]

Trump really screwed this up. If he had hired jonmx as his defense attorney this case would have been thrown out weeks ago. What a dipshit!

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just now, jonmx said:

Have you ever heard of a trial where the jury was not given a hard copy of the jury instructions????  This judge is so bizzare.  It is as if the judge wants to control how the jury hears the instructions and to be able to spin it.  

I have never heard of that before. It is a little strange. I’m guessing it’s a New York thing but really don’t know

[squistion 2,203]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Have you ever heard of a trial where the jury was not given a hard copy of the jury instructions????  This judge is so bizzare.  It is as if the judge wants to control how the jury hears the instructions and to be able to spin it.  

Yes, in all criminal trials in New York, from my understanding, because the jury instructions are not considered "evidence" in that jurisdiction.

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2 hours ago, squistion said:

No, not just when pressured. Snopes has never claimed that their fact checking is infallible. When they have made an error and it is pointed out to them, they always make a correction. 

Snopes lies with its conclusions often.  We just discussed a case yesterday:

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Claim:

The judge in former U.S. President Donald Trump's hush-money trial told jurors they didn't have to unanimously agree on which crime Trump committed for his conviction so long as they agreed that some crime occurred.

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False

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Context

The jury must unanimously agree on Trump's guilt of falsifying business records in the first degree (he faces 34 counts of this crime). A first-degree charge of falsification of business records requires a "predicate crime" for which the falsification was plausibly intended to cover up. The jury does not need to agree on the predicate crime for a conviction.

False?  That's partially true, not false.  

[squistion 2,203]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Snopes lies with its conclusions often.  We just discussed a case yesterday:

False?  That's partially true, not false.  

This was discussed at length yesterday in this thread so I don't really want to rehash it, but no, it is true that they "didn't have to unanimously agree on which (predicate) crime Trump committed."

[squistion 2,203]

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1796172195271741472 (video clip at link from earlier today before deliberations resumed)

Trump says New York will lose “trillions and trillions of dollars” because of his legal issues.

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2 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1796172195271741472 (video clip at link from earlier today before deliberations resumed)

Trump says New York will lose “trillions and trillions of dollars” because of his legal issues.

And that’s just in his defense lawyer's billable hours!

[jonmx 2,429]

22 minutes ago, squistion said:

This was discussed at length yesterday in this thread so I don't really want to rehash it, but no, it is true that they "didn't have to unanimously agree on which (predicate) crime Trump committed."

The more times you repeat it, the stupider it sounds.   Snopes is being their usual self pushing a very radical leftist spin which is extremely misleading if not an outright lie.  

[squistion 2,203]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The more times you repeat it, the stupider it sounds.   Snopes is being their usual self pushing a very radical leftist spin which is extremely misleading if not an outright lie.  

Oh, the irony. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

Cuff em and stuff em.

[squistion 2,203]

Katie Phang explains the elements of the felony crimes that Trump is facing.

https://x.com/MSNBC_reports/status/1796205202770407877 (video clip at link)

What is the alleged crime?

@KatiePhang joins @jdbalart at the Big Board to break down the jury in former President Trump's hush money trial and what Trump is being charged with.

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

Oh, the irony. 

Jon Mx can be trusted here to post the exact opposite of the truth and what is likely to happen. When Jon says there is no case here that’s how I know Trump is guilty. When Jon asserts that any conviction will be thrown out on appeal, that’s how I know it won’t happen. When Jon attacks the judge as incompetent and corrupt, that’s when I’m confident that Merchan is really good. And so on 

[jonmx 2,429]

28 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1796172195271741472 (video clip at link from earlier today before deliberations resumed)

Trump says New York will lose “trillions and trillions of dollars” because of his legal issues.

That was not even remotely close to what he was saying.

[MDC 7,431]

I for one am glad that noted scholar / Trump’s #1 ankle-grabbing assboy @jonmx is here to help us unpack these thorny legal issues.  

[squistion 2,203]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

That was not even remotely close to what he was saying.

 

Yes, it is. He says:

"The outside world is watching and the outside world is just not going to bring their business to New York. And that is going to cost the city trillions and the state trillions and trillions of dollars"

[thegeneral 3,214]

Trump has gotten a TV setup in his waiting room.

Fox News screamers better up their game. Start repeating all the stuff his surrogates have fed you!

[zsasz 369]

I see Emperor JonMx is once again trying to skirt the established system we have in place because of his "feels".  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Any chance we get a verdict today?  My son has baseball until 7.  I don’t want to be late to the riots and miss the good stuff.  

[Fnord 2,275]

4 minutes ago, zsasz said:

I see Emperor JonMx is once again trying to skirt the established system we have in place because of his "feels".  

The only way jonmx and emperor should be used together is in an analogy regarding Jon's gullibility and wardrobe choices.

Jon is ruthless enough to be an emperor, but nowhere close to smart enough. He's just a simple wannabe terrorist for now, hoping against hope that he has a chance to murder or grievously harm a lib someday. If Trump loses, we'll need to either have a wellness check done on him (if anyone cares enough about his well-being to even go to that much effort) or call the FBI to report an imminent threat. I'm thinking the latter.

[squistion 2,203]

Meanwhile, outside the Courthouse:

https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1796224432106787274 (video clip at link)

#NOW Trump Supporters TEAR UP SIGNS of Anti-Trump protester, shove boobs in her face and break into a SHOVING MATCH outside NYC Court during Trump’s Hush Money Trial

 

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3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Meanwhile, outside the Courthouse:

https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1796224432106787274 (video clip at link)

#NOW Trump Supporters TEAR UP SIGNS of Anti-Trump protester, shove boobs in her face and break into a SHOVING MATCH outside NYC Court during Trump’s Hush Money Trial

 

The MAGA Clown Car will show up in a second to explain to you how this "is different".  

[MDC 7,431]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

Meanwhile, outside the Courthouse:

https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1796224432106787274 (video clip at link)

#NOW Trump Supporters TEAR UP SIGNS of Anti-Trump protester, shove boobs in her face and break into a SHOVING MATCH outside NYC Court during Trump’s Hush Money Trial

 

The trashy tattooed skank in the MAGA cap is exactly how I picture some of the allegedly “hot” Geek wives.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

Meanwhile, outside the Courthouse:

https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1796224432106787274 (video clip at link)

#NOW Trump Supporters TEAR UP SIGNS of Anti-Trump protester, shove boobs in her face and break into a SHOVING MATCH outside NYC Court during Trump’s Hush Money Trial

 

Embarrassing 

[HellToupee 1,778]

Thank God we have scoop on the beat today 

[HellToupee 1,778]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

The trashy tattooed skank in the MAGA cap is exactly how I picture some of the allegedly “hot” Geek wives.  

The sign holder is exactly how I picture squissy

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

The sign holder is exactly how I picture squissy

You picture him getting assaulted by maga freaks?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, jonmx said:

Have you ever heard of a trial where the jury was not given a hard copy of the jury instructions????  This judge is so bizzare.  It is as if the judge wants to control how the jury hears the instructions and to be able to spin it.  

It has been a long, long time since law school for me.  When I was there we learned, mostly tangentially, that two states were what was referred to as Field Code states, that is their intrinsic law was not based entirely upon english common law as is the case in most stes, but they had elements of french and even dutch law primarily procedurally.  The First, Louisianna was strongly influenced by french prodcedure and the seond New York by french and dutch.  Some of the procedures we are seeing here are, I presume, a result of that, but being admitterd in neither of those jurisdictions and the passage of time since my education I really cannot say. (Admitted in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico and to the Federal Bar and provisionally admitted, pro hac vice to Virgina and Florida, now retired and I have relinquished my license so as to not have to keep up with CLE's.)

[HellToupee 1,778]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You picture him getting assaulted by maga freaks?

More like little Jackie Wright from Benny Hill

 

[squistion 2,203]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You picture him getting assaulted by maga freaks?

I am sure he does. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

29 minutes ago, squistion said:

Meanwhile, outside the Courthouse:

https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1796224432106787274 (video clip at link)

#NOW Trump Supporters TEAR UP SIGNS of Anti-Trump protester, shove boobs in her face and break into a SHOVING MATCH outside NYC Court during Trump’s Hush Money Trial

 

But it's the libs that are violent. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Looks like Bilbo Baggins got a taste of FAFO trying to troll patriots out to support America’s rightful president and spiritual leader.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

But it's the libs that are violent. 

I've said it many times, the left and right are not all that different.  They both have crazies and complain about each other as if they do no wrong.

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Cry harder fockwads

Wow, open racism.  Look at that.  Gutterboy and his tweet buddy targeting minorities.  Who'd a thunk it?

[squistion 2,203]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1796233527744180579

From @LauraAJarrett:

As Trump passes the time in his courthouse holding room waiting on the jury to finish its deliberations, NBC News has learned he has managed to get a TV put in the room today (he didn't have one yesterday). When asked what channel the TV is turned to, the source demurred.

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3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wow, open racism.  Look at that.  Gutterboy and his tweet buddy targeting minorities.  Who'd a thunk it?

You're such a little b1tch

[TBayXXXVII 2,546]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

You're such a little b1tch

Link

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

41 minutes ago, squistion said:

Meanwhile, outside the Courthouse:

https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1796224432106787274 (video clip at link)

#NOW Trump Supporters TEAR UP SIGNS of Anti-Trump protester, shove boobs in her face and break into a SHOVING MATCH outside NYC Court during Trump’s Hush Money Trial

 

Disturbing.  Unacceptable behavior.

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3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Disturbing.  Unacceptable behavior.

Lowest common denominator.  Pretty much by definition anyone who is out there needs to go find a job.  I doubt there's too many independently wealthy folks spending their Thursday afternoon out there.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

3 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Lowest common denominator.  Pretty much by definition anyone who is out there needs to go find a job.  I doubt there's too many independently wealthy folks spending their Thursday afternoon out there.

I fear hysterics from each side of the spectrum may behave very badly and potentially even violently upon a verdict.  Folks seem very worked up and very much tribally aligned.  I would just stay far away from the courthouse if I lived in New York. 

[squistion 2,203]

20 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

But it's the libs that are violent. 

Yes, I think what we just saw is an example of what they mean by Make America Great Again.