Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Gladiators 2,035]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tl/dr.  Who you voting for Mooney? 

We all know the answer to this.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

Just now, Gladiators said:

We all know the answer to this.

Actually we don’t. He’s too concerned with trolling to declare. 

[MDC 8,111]

I’m not sure how I am going to vote this year. I’ll be one of those “late breakers” they talk about. Feels weird to know I’m one of the very few who will decide the fate of this nation! 

[squistion 2,662]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Last night Trump said that his immigration plan (mass deportation) would be “bloody” and “nasty”. Earlier in the week Elon Musk said that the economic plans would create “temporary hardships” on the public, and Trump said he would turn public health over to RFK Jr and let him “run wild”. 
 

Rather a unique closing message. 

We seen that sentiment expressed by some folks in this forum.

I guess the logic is that seeing this type of violence televised will discourage immgrants from coming to this country.

While that may be true...is that the price we want to pay as country or a society to achieve that goal?

[Fnord 2,640]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

We seen that sentiment expressed by some folks in this forum.

I guess the logic is that seeing this type of violence televised will discourage immgrants from coming to this country.

While that may be true...is that the price we want to pay as country or a society to achieve that goal?

Like with many of their favored policies, the full-throated support is from those that can be swayed by a good phrase or meme, have been groomed by right wing media, and give no thought to the downstream effects. There are several words that can easily describe them, but I'm trying to be nice this week. For now, anyway.

[thegeneral 3,699]

12 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m not sure how I am going to vote this year. I’ll be one of those “late breakers” they talk about. Feels weird to know I’m one of the very few who will decide the fate of this nation! 

You still trying to figure things out, huh?

[Sean Mooney 2,061]

17 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

We all know the answer to this.

At this point- neither. I'm far more concerned with the Senate races and some of the local things.

Back in June I was going to rather unenthusiastically vote for Biden. Then he had his debate performance and it became abundantly clear he wasn't of sound mind. So I was leaning to Trump at that point. Kamala came in and I think she has run a bad campaign and I don't like that she has not outlined her own policies. But the past month or so has been a reminder of the idiocy that is a Trump presidency.

So if I were voting right now- I'd probably leave the top of the ticket blank. By tomorrow I may be back to unenthusiastically voting for the Democrat candidate. I want both parties to provide a normal candidate so we have a legitimate choice in 2028

Sorry that a thoughtful post providing numbers of mail in ballots was too much for your buddy on here to read. I know he only has grasped about 5 words in his vocabulary, but I'm sure his nurse would've done it

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Like with many of their favored policies, the full-throated support is from those that can be swayed by a good phrase or meme, have been groomed by right wing media, and give no thought to the downstream effects. There are several words that can easily describe them, but I'm trying to be nice this week. For now, anyway.

Joy!

[posty 2,849]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This will definitely happen with Harris. I would argue that she’s a centrist anyhow but even if I am wrong about that the Senate is likely to be Republican- and even in the very unlikely event Democrats hang on to the Senate their hold there will be extremely tenuous. Add to that a conservative Supreme Court and I don’t think anyone has to worry about radical changes under Harris. 

A centrist?  One of the most liberal voting record in the senate from 2017-2021?  Come on Tim, you really can’t be serious in believing that…. She won’t change her spots if elected President and move towards the center…. Her voting record shows that…

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-is-extremely-liberal-and-the-numbers-prove-it/amp/

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Joy!

Definitely not a descriptor I would use for you.

[jerryskids 7,198]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Harris is not at all extreme this go around. She was a little too extreme in 2020 though

 

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

This will definitely happen with Harris. I would argue that she’s a centrist anyhow but even if I am wrong about that the Senate is likely to be Republican- and even in the very unlikely event Democrats hang on to the Senate their hold there will be extremely tenuous. Add to that a conservative Supreme Court and I don’t think anyone has to worry about radical changes under Harris. 
 

Trump is extreme but not an extreme rightist, more an extreme nativist/populist. He will sew chaos if elected. Most of those who are voting for him are counting on him to “fix” the economy and immigration; he will definitely try some radical moves which will create all kinds of anxiety but no solutions/ I think there will be a lot of buyers remorse. 

Interestingly, Axios says that Kamala is a vacuous hole where policies go to die.  She has espoused a bunch of far left progressive proposals in the past, but when asked now, she says "no comment." 

So this belief that she will govern from the center is wishful thinking with no basis in her beliefs at any point in her life.

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One thing is clear about Vice President Harris' intent to stick to her old liberal views or govern with new centrist thinking: She doesn't want voters to know.

Why it matters: Harris is the "no comment" candidate — purposely and strategically. She has calculated that it's safer to be vague on policy matters than lampooned as a flip-flopper or left-winger.

Zoom in: Harris and her staff have refused to detail her position on more than a dozen of her previous stances the past three months in response to questions by Axios. The response to those inquiries: No comment.

• This makes her actual governing plans a mystery even to many Democrats — given her past liberal record and current promise to govern from the middle. 

If she wins, this will be seen as shrewd, thread-the-needle politics.

• But if she loses, she and her team will be blamed for leaving voters foggy about her true views and self. And President Biden will be blamed for backing a candidate with such a liberal track record.

Driving the news: Since Harris became the Democratic nominee this summer, Harris' team has declined to say whether she still supports:

• Executive actions to unilaterally give a path to citizenship to 2 million "Dreamers" — undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children.
• Ending the death penalty on the federal level. Harris has opposed capital punishment since 2003.
• A mandate for automakers to only build electric or hydrogen vehicles by 2035.
• Executive actions to protect more than 6 million undocumented immigrants from deportation by expanding "deferred action" guidelines.
• Decriminalizing prostitution ("We can't criminalize consensual behavior as long as no one is being harmed," Harris said in 2019).
• Closing private, for-profit prisons, which she called "morally wrong."
• Getting rid of the Senate filibuster in order to pass multitrillion-dollar Green New Deal legislation.

Harris' campaign declined to comment to CNN about several positions she took in 2019, including:

• Federal prisoners and detained immigrants obtaining taxpayer-funded gender transition surgeries.
• An open-ended pledge to "end" immigration detention.

For this story, Axios asked Harris' campaign whether she still supports these other past positions of hers, and the campaign declined to comment:

• Provide reparations to Black Americans because of slavery.
• Support for "sanctuary cities" that provide safety and refuge for undocumented immigrants.
• Restore voting rights for all former prisoners.
• Renegotiate international refugee rules to provide protections for people displaced by climate change and welcome them to the U.S.
• Install a climate envoy in every major embassy around the world.
• Issue national protections for 30% of the land and sea areas in the U.S. by 2030, which would limit drilling.

Reality check: Despite the dodges, Harris has stated some of her policy priorities — namely to boost security on the Southwest border, put more limitations on asylum, and bring down the costs of food and housing.

• She also has made clear that she no longer supports some of her past progressive positions like banning fracking, passing Medicare for All, implementing mandatory gun buybacks, decriminalizing illegal border crossings, or phasing out plastic straws.

 

• Harris has argued her positions shifted as a result of her time as vice president, but that her "values have not changed."

It's also normal for a presidential candidate to run to the left or right during a primary race, then try to moderate during the general election campaign. (Harris briefly ran for president in the Democratic primary in 2019.)

• Harris also is dealing with the unprecedented sprint of becoming the nominee three months before Election Day, and had little time to put together her policy agenda.
• She has indicated she plans to replace much of Biden's senior team with her own team if she's elected, which suggests policy changes.

Between the lines: Harris' limited public policy agenda has lots of overlap with Biden proposals that didn't make their way through Congress.

• Current and former Biden aides have noted that Harris' plan to expand the housing supply by millions of units is similar to Biden's housing plan in the original Build Back Better bills.
• Ultimately, much of the housing plans were cut out of the bill as Democrats tried to get it past Senate moderates, especially Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.).

Harris also has zeroed in on addressing the high costs for people in the "sandwich generation" — those with obligations to children and aging parents.

• In May, Biden's White House started a similar "sandwich generation" push as he was running for re-election.

Donald Trump's campaign has tried to tie Harris to the unpopular president.

• Multiple Trump ads feature Harris being asked whether she'd do anything differently from Biden, and responding that there's "not a thing that comes to mind."

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/03/kamala-harris-no-comment-strategy?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You still trying to figure things out, huh?

I’m sure it’ll hit me once I get in that booth.

[Reality 3,138]

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

25 minutes ago, posty said:

A centrist?  One of the most liberal voting record in the senate from 2017-2021?  Come on Tim, you really can’t be serious in believing that…. She won’t change her spots if elected President and move towards the center…. Her voting record shows that…

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4816859-kamala-harris-is-extremely-liberal-and-the-numbers-prove-it/amp/

She wasn’t President then. Obama also voted as a liberal as a Senator. A lot of those votes are meat for the base. But Obama as President governed as a centrist. So will Harris. She’s no ideologue. 

[IGotWorms 4,063]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Interestingly, Axios says that Kamala is a vacuous hole where policies go to die.  She has espoused a bunch of far left progressive proposals in the past, but when asked now, she says "no comment." 

So this belief that she will govern from the center is wishful thinking with no basis in her beliefs at any point in her life.

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/03/kamala-harris-no-comment-strategy?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

She’ll govern from the center because she’ll have to.

Trump will not.

It’s that simple.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,340]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

She’ll govern from the center because she’ll have to.

Trump will not.

It’s that simple.

Uhm ..no.  That's just you with blinders on saying that. 

[Fnord 2,640]

27 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Interestingly, Axios says that Kamala is a vacuous hole where policies go to die.  

So this belief that she will govern from the center is wishful thinking with no basis in her beliefs at any point in her life.

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/03/kamala-harris-no-comment-strategy?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

I didn't read the article; what did they actually say? If it was indeed that, kudos to them for bringing some levity. Like most righties, I think you seriously underestimate how much folks hate Trump. Like me, many of them would literally vote for a vacuous hole instead of that man. I mean, we were ready to vote for Biden, FFS.

She is not going to have the benefit of both congressional houses barring some huge surprises, so many of her policy proposals are probably DOA anyway. Four years of her ineffectual leadership sound pretty good given the alternative. If she crashes and burns, maybe the Dems will learn some lessons (HA!) on choosing better candidates. I would like to think the GOP will learn the same lesson, but they've shown no indications of learning ability recently.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,582]

1 hour ago, OldMaid said:

You know what, I’m tired of this bullcrap. You don’t get to call this a lie just because he went on and said he didn’t support the nazi’s. Speaking out of both sides of your mouth, doesn’t make what he said any better. 
 

And who are these supposed "fine people" anyway? Most good people I know wouldn’t be in the same venue as a nazi rally, period.

so you think that anyone who didn't want to tear down Robert E Lee statue is a bad person, got it

and your with the same team who says Biden didn't call all Trump voters garbage, that came out a day later

Trump literally said it in the same sentence

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,582]

23 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

She’ll govern from the center because she’ll have to.

Trump will not.

It’s that simple.

Trump has governed from the Center the ENTIRE 4 years

 

[HellToupee 2,295]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Last night Trump said that his immigration plan (mass deportation) would be “bloody” and “nasty”

I couldn’t be more excited for this!

[OldMaid 2,137]

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

so you think that anyone who didn't want to tear down Robert E Lee statue is a bad person, got it

and your with the same team who says Biden didn't call all Trump voters garbage, that came out a day later

Trump literally said it in the same sentence

 

FWIW, I oppose tearing down those statues, too, but any decent human being would not choose the same night as a nazi rally to protest. That’s my opinion-I’m sure you see it differently. 

I already said, I didn’t buy Biden’s excuse, what more do you want me to say about it?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

3 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

FWIW, I oppose tearing down those statues, too, but any decent human being would not choose the same night as a nazi rally to protest. That’s my opinion-I’m sure you see it differently. 

I already said, I didn’t buy Biden’s excuse, what more do you want me to say about?

They ever out who those nazis were? 

[OldMaid 2,137]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They ever out who those nazis were? 

You seem bored, maybe this will give you something to do:

https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

5 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

You seem bored, maybe this will give you something to do:

https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

That was a great read, I couldn’t put it down! Thanks! 

[Sean Mooney 2,061]

7 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

You seem bored, maybe this will give you something to do:

https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Charlottesville-Critical-Incident-Review-2017.pdf

He can't read....good effort though. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He can't read....good effort though. 

Oh Mooney, you crazy funny. You should do stand up. 

[jerryskids 7,198]

48 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I didn't read the article; what did they actually say? If it was indeed that, kudos to them for bringing some levity. Like most righties, I think you seriously underestimate how much folks hate Trump. Like me, many of them would literally vote for a vacuous hole instead of that man. I mean, we were ready to vote for Biden, FFS.

She is not going to have the benefit of both congressional houses barring some huge surprises, so many of her policy proposals are probably DOA anyway. Four years of her ineffectual leadership sound pretty good given the alternative. If she crashes and burns, maybe the Dems will learn some lessons (HA!) on choosing better candidates. I would like to think the GOP will learn the same lesson, but they've shown no indications of learning ability recently.

Umm... no.  I posted the entire article.  It wasn't very long.   

You may be correct that I underestimate the hatred for him.  Four years ago I chatted with my brother about him and the 2020 election.  He's not a political wonk like all of us here, and while he leans conservative, he was leaning towards Biden, because (I didn't say this to him) he basically got any info he had from MSM, which is to say, mostly all anti-Trump.

Fast forward to a week ago, out of nowhere he sent me a scathing text which basically called Trump a nazi fascist antichrist.  I was like, whoa!    Then I was like, wait, I'm pretty sure he knows my position on this.  I provided some polite rebuttals to his concerns, in a way which respectfully implied that he had drunk so much blue koolaid that his looked like a smurf (OK, I was subtler than that), and he eventually got the message.   

Anyway, back in 2004 I predicted here that Bush would beat Kerry due to the "my mom" effect.  My mom voted Dem her entire life (PA union family), but to my surprise, voted for Bush because she said "we're at war, and Kerry seems weak."  You can argue the truth of that, but I thought hmm, I bet a lot of people feel this way.

I'm a little askeered that I may have witnessed the "my bro" effect.  For him to have gone from politically ambivalent to TDS Defcon 1 tells me that the 24/7 MSM bashing of Trump had a profound effect, on him anyway.  I mean shiot, look at Rusty.  

Guess we'll see in the days ahead.   

[MLCKAA 586]

Can’t vote for either…might go with Paij Boring.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Umm... no.  I posted the entire article.  It wasn't very long.   

You may be correct that I underestimate the hatred for him.  Four years ago I chatted with my brother about him and the 2020 election.  He's not a political wonk like all of us here, and while he leans conservative, he was leaning towards Biden, because (I didn't say this to him) he basically got any info he had from MSM, which is to say, mostly all anti-Trump.

Fast forward to a week ago, out of nowhere he sent me a scathing text which basically called Trump a nazi fascist antichrist.  I was like, whoa!    Then I was like, wait, I'm pretty sure he knows my position on this.  I provided some polite rebuttals to his concerns, in a way which respectfully implied that he had drunk so much blue koolaid that his looked like a smurf (OK, I was subtler than that), and he eventually got the message.   

Anyway, back in 2004 I predicted here that Bush would beat Kerry due to the "my mom" effect.  My mom voted Dem her entire life (PA union family), but to my surprise, voted for Bush because she said "we're at war, and Kerry seems weak."  You can argue the truth of that, but I thought hmm, I bet a lot of people feel this way.

I'm a little askeered that I may have witnessed the "my bro" effect.  For him to have gone from politically ambivalent to TDS Defcon 1 tells me that the 24/7 MSM bashing of Trump had a profound effect, on him anyway.  I mean shiot, look at Rusty.  

Guess we'll see in the days ahead.   

@jerryskids I just want you to know I appreciate your always thoughtful posts. I strongly disagree with you on many social and “woke” issues (especially gender stuff) but I don’t think we’re that far apart on economics. 

[Sean Mooney 2,061]

from Philly courtroom — Musk lawyer says his $1m giveaway is NOT a lottery. "There is no prize to be won" and winners "are not chosen at random," Musk lawyer Chris Gober said. Instead, the $1m is a salary they "earn" to be a spokesperson for Musk's pro-Trump super PAC. Winners are picked based on their "suitability to serve" and their personal story, Gober said. In response, Philly DA team called this a "complete admission of liability" that Musk is running an illegal lottery under PA law. Remember: When Musk announced the giveaway.... in PA nonetheless.... he said, "we are going to be awarding $1 million randomly." DA showed this in court to the judge. Gober argued there's a difference between "randomly" and "by chance," which is why he argued that this isn't an illegal lottery under PA gaming laws.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,050]

He’s grotesque and she’s a moron.  I’m going with grotesque. 

[Fireballer 2,693]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Last night Trump said that his immigration plan (mass deportation) would be “bloody” and “nasty”. Earlier in the week Elon Musk said that the economic plans would create “temporary hardships” on the public, and Trump said he would turn public health over to RFK Jr and let him “run wild”. 
 

Rather a unique closing message. 

How would you describe Kamala’s plan for rapid removal of illegals?  Or has she not gone beyond her pledge to do so?

[squistion 2,662]

https://x.com/DeborahMeaden/status/1853445828783865889

“When a Clown moves into the Palace, he doesn’t become a King, The Palace becomes a Circus” is a Turkish proverb which is worth heeding in the coming days.

[Strike 6,032]

11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

from Philly courtroom — Musk lawyer says his $1m giveaway is NOT a lottery. "There is no prize to be won" and winners "are not chosen at random," Musk lawyer Chris Gober said. Instead, the $1m is a salary they "earn" to be a spokesperson for Musk's pro-Trump super PAC. Winners are picked based on their "suitability to serve" and their personal story, Gober said. In response, Philly DA team called this a "complete admission of liability" that Musk is running an illegal lottery under PA law. Remember: When Musk announced the giveaway.... in PA nonetheless.... he said, "we are going to be awarding $1 million randomly." DA showed this in court to the judge. Gober argued there's a difference between "randomly" and "by chance," which is why he argued that this isn't an illegal lottery under PA gaming laws.

Also from Philly courtroom:

https://apnews.com/article/musk-million-sweepstakes-lottery-pennsylvania-krasner-4f683c48eb7dcc57f183e54ef16e7320

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

29 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

How would you describe Kamala’s plan for rapid removal of illegals?  

I wouldn’t. 

[Fireballer 2,693]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I wouldn’t. 

You wouldnt as in she doesn’t have a plan to do so?

[Sean Mooney 2,061]

30 minutes ago, Strike said:

Also from Philly courtroom:

https://apnews.com/article/musk-million-sweepstakes-lottery-pennsylvania-krasner-4f683c48eb7dcc57f183e54ef16e7320

Interesting. That report came out after what I shared. Would be interesting to hear the judge's rationale on it. 

[Strike 6,032]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Interesting. That report came out after what I shared. Would be interesting to hear the judge's rationale on it. 

Well, coincidentally, the judge won tomorrow's $1 Million dollar prize.

[jerryskids 7,198]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well, coincidentally, the judge won tomorrow's $1 Million dollar prize.

It's not a prize, it's a salary!

[BudBro 185]

50 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/DeborahMeaden/status/1853445828783865889

“When a Clown moves into the Palace, he doesn’t become a King, The Palace becomes a Circus” is a Turkish proverb which is worth heeding in the coming days.

A beautiful sentiment for what we've lived through the last 4 years.  Well done.