Why Trump's tariff chaos actually makes sense (big picture)

[Gepetto 1,445]

 

[weepaws 3,308]

I agree, these tariff issues are simply the beginning of a bigger plan, but, is that plan fir evil, or for good for America, and for the world.   

In the Bible the devil has a plan, the devils plan is to steal, kill, destroy, these tariffs could end up doing the same.  

God calls us to be alert and sober, watching out for the schemes of the evil one.   

God has a plan, God tells us his plan.  Jeremiah 29:11-13.   

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future, then you will call on Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you, you will seek Me and find Me when you seek Me with all your heart.  Indeed Amen Thanks 

trump is just a man, a wicked sinner, who’s only good works is the receiving and acceptance of Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior, and a repentance of sin.   Trump has never accepted Jesus, and we all know trump is a criminal, who hasn’t reformed from or ask for forgiveness of his sins.   . Trump reminds me more of satan, then of Righteousness.   Indeed Amen Thanks 

[lickin_starfish 2,000]

18 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I agree, these tariff issues are simply the beginning of a bigger plan, but, is that plan fir evil, or for good for America, and for the world.   

In the Bible the devil has a plan, the devils plan is to steal, kill, destroy, these tariffs could end up doing the same.  

God calls us to be alert and sober, watching out for the schemes of the evil one.   

God has a plan, God tells us his plan.  Jeremiah 29:11-13.   

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future, then you will call on Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you, you will seek Me and find Me when you seek Me with all your heart.  Indeed Amen Thanks 

trump is just a man, a wicked sinner, who’s only good works is the receiving and acceptance of Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior, and a repentance of sin.   Trump has never accepted Jesus, and we all know trump is a criminal, who hasn’t reformed from or ask for forgiveness of his sins.   . Trump reminds me more of satan, then of Righteousness.   Indeed Amen Thanks 

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[seafoam1 3,392]

This has made sense for at least the past 20 years and even the retarded liberals have known it. There are countless examples of them saying this was needed, only they wanted to be popular instead. They simply weren't man enough to pull the trigger on it. And basically didn't have the negotiating skills to pull it off. There are countless examples of liberals in the past stating that tariffs are needed, but they were too afraid and mentally unable to do the deed, because they wanted their short lived popularity and fat bank accounts to grow, and they knew they didn't have the skills needed. 

Thank God Trump is now the president. Saving this country from ruin. 

[Kopy 588]

Has the sky fallen on anyone yet?

[seafoam1 3,392]

1 hour ago, Kopy said:

Has the sky fallen on anyone yet?

Timmy is having a nervous breakdown. Just like Joy Reid. 

[avoiding injuries 1,644]

I feel bad for 2 groups of people. 
 

1. Retiree’s who didn’t shift their money to less aggressive funds. 
2. People who were planning on retiring in the next year and now have to work 6-12 months longer (but they should be in less risky positions too)

Everyone else is experiencing a blip. 

[Kopy 588]

8 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I feel bad for 2 groups of people. 
 

1. Retiree’s who didn’t shift their money to less aggressive funds. 
2. People who were planning on retiring in the next year and now have to work 6-12 months longer (but they should be in less risky positions too)

Everyone else is experiencing a blip. 

I agree 100%.

 

[patweisers44 864]

16 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I feel bad for 2 groups of people. 
 

1. Retiree’s who didn’t shift their money to less aggressive funds. 
2. People who were planning on retiring in the next year and now have to work 6-12 months longer (but they should be in less risky positions too)

Everyone else is experiencing a blip. 

I agree with this, although i might double or triple the timeline in #2.  Splitting hairs maybe.

[The Real timschochet 7,349]

21 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I feel bad for 2 groups of people. 
 

1. Retiree’s who didn’t shift their money to less aggressive funds. 
2. People who were planning on retiring in the next year and now have to work 6-12 months longer (but they should be in less risky positions too)

Everyone else is experiencing a blip. 

This, I’m afraid, is hopeful nonsense. 

Unless Trump reverses course, the stock market disaster represents only the start of the catastrophic effects the tariffs will have on our economy, both short term and long term. Short term, we’re looking at an almost certain recession, possibly worse, and high inflation. Long term we’re looking at a contraction as China and Europe simply replace us as the trading giants worldwide. This isn’t a blip. It’s a total disaster. 
 

ETA- But I remain hopeful that Trump reverses course. We’ll know shortly if some face-saving “deals” are announced. 

[CaptainObvious1 368]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This, I’m afraid, is hopeful nonsense. 

Unless Trump reverses course, the stock market disaster represents only the start of the catastrophic effects the tariffs will have on our economy, both short term and long term. Short term, we’re looking at an almost certain recession, possibly worse, and high inflation. Long term we’re looking at a contraction as China and Europe simply replace us as the trading giants worldwide. This isn’t a blip. It’s a total disaster. 
 

ETA- But I remain hopeful that Trump reverses course. We’ll know shortly if some face-saving “deals” are announced. 

Your emotions are a total disaster. Take a midol. 

[avoiding injuries 1,644]

2 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Your emotions are a total disaster. Take a midol. 

His post makes me feel more confident and optimistic. He’s the Jim Cramer of FFT. 

[Strike 5,972]

30 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I feel bad for 2 groups of people. 
 

1. Retiree’s who didn’t shift their money to less aggressive funds. 
2. People who were planning on retiring in the next year and now have to work 6-12 months longer (but they should be in less risky positions too)

Everyone else is experiencing a blip. 

Retirees should be fine.  They should be getting social security so they have some actual income that isnt affected by these tariffs.  As noted this is a blip in the grand scheme of things and their other investments will recover as soon as some certainty around the long term plan and effects becomes more clear.  Any "losses" are just on paper.  People need to just ignore the Chicken Little Tim's of the world.

[The Real timschochet 7,349]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

Retirees should be fine.  They should be getting social security so they have some actual income that isnt affected by these tariffs.  As noted this is a blip in the grand scheme of things and their other investments will recover as soon as some certainty around the long term plan and effects becomes more clear.  Any "losses" are just on paper.  People need to just ignore the Chicken Little Tim's of the world.

The “chicken little Tim’s” of the world include every economist that I can find. You’re deluding yourself if you think otherwise. 

[Sean Mooney 2,045]

31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This, I’m afraid, is hopeful nonsense. 

Unless Trump reverses course, the stock market disaster represents only the start of the catastrophic effects the tariffs will have on our economy, both short term and long term. Short term, we’re looking at an almost certain recession, possibly worse, and high inflation. Long term we’re looking at a contraction as China and Europe simply replace us as the trading giants worldwide. This isn’t a blip. It’s a total disaster. 
 

ETA- But I remain hopeful that Trump reverses course. We’ll know shortly if some face-saving “deals” are announced. 

Tim....generally @avoiding injuries is correct in what he is saying. You seem to be taking an extreme negative position on this and it is the absolute worst case scenario. If someone is more than 8-10 years from retirement you will most likely be okay even with this recent downturn. You are almost at the point too where you should be moving your money to less volatile things anyway. If you are 15-20 years from retirement there really is no reason to worry because of the amount of time.

One area that I think avoiding injuries is overlooking are people who have money in like other short term account stuff. I have 2-3 smaller accounts where I tuck money away to do bigger house repairs and everything as they arise and those are going to take a bit of a hit with the recent downturn meaning there isn't as much money there as there should be but even then the damage is not catastrophic- more in annoyance territory. 

[The Real timschochet 7,349]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Tim....generally @avoiding injuries is correct in what he is saying. You seem to be taking an extreme negative position on this and it is the absolute worst case scenario. If someone is more than 8-10 years from retirement you will most likely be okay even with this recent downturn. You are almost at the point too where you should be moving your money to less volatile things anyway. If you are 15-20 years from retirement there really is no reason to worry because of the amount of time.

One area that I think avoiding injuries is overlooking are people who have money in like Roth IRA's and stuff like that. I have 2-3 where I tuck money away to do bigger house repairs and everything as they arise and those are going to take a bit of a hit with the recent downturn meaning there isn't as much money there as there should be but even then the damage is not catastrophic- more in annoyance territory. 

I don’t think you or @avoiding injuries or most people reading this realize the long term changes (bad ones) that are coming to our society if these tariffs stay in place very long. 

[Sean Mooney 2,045]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think you or @avoiding injuries or most people reading this realize the long term changes (bad ones) that are coming to our society if these tariffs stay in place very long. 

I think you are taking the ultimate negative position on it though. 

[avoiding injuries 1,644]

23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think you or @avoiding injuries or most people reading this realize the long term changes (bad ones) that are coming to our society if these tariffs stay in place very long. 

The reciprocal tariffs? The ones that multiple countries have already lowered to zero? 
 

Here’s a video from 1988, long before TDS, where Trump is speaking about this exact issue. 
https://x.com/wallstreetapes/status/1908667689234817189?s=46

Here are videos of Nancy, Bernie and Barack saying the same thing. 
https://x.com/wallstreetapes/status/1908019051676434850?s=46

Why NOW is it all of a sudden an issue that’s going to DESTROY THE ECONOMY!!!

[Mufaletta 81]

47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think you or @avoiding injuries or most people reading this realize the long term changes (bad ones) that are coming to our society if these tariffs stay in place very long. 

You won't have to wait for "long term changes" . . . some of them are kicking in quickly.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/gm-increase-us-truck-production-following-trumps-tariffs-2025-04-03/

Exclusive: GM to increase truck production in Indiana following Trump's tariffs

[MDC 7,811]

Trump’s big problem with the trade war / tariffs thing is that tariffs don’t lower prices, they just make imported goods as expensive as domestic goods. Tariffs could potentially boost US manufacturing, but then you’re banking on US consumers’ willingness to pay more for products that are Made in the USA.

Thats going to be a tough sell for the guy who spent a year promising lower prices Day 1. 

In the end Trump will take most of the tariffs off and claim some minor victory. It’s a stunt.

[avoiding injuries 1,644]

Italy is coming to the table. 
https://x.com/resistthems/status/1909643590084481126?s=46

[iam90sbaby 2,725]

4-5 years down the line we come out of this ahead of where we were pre tariffs.  Some people will get screwed short term, but it had to be done. 

[thegeneral 3,543]

https://x.com/gaborgurbacs/status/1909348105675211192?s=46&t=0YXe9oUqqYEnHOHU8BsZkQ
 

[Mike Honcho 5,411]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

https://x.com/gaborgurbacs/status/1909348105675211192?s=46&t=0YXe9oUqqYEnHOHU8BsZkQ
 

 

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"The army of millions and millions of human beings screwing in little screws to make iPhones — that kind of thing is going to come to America," Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said.

Soon we're all going to be on the gravy train with biscuit wheels!

[HellToupee 2,161]

30 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

https://x.com/gaborgurbacs/status/1909348105675211192?s=46&t=0YXe9oUqqYEnHOHU8BsZkQ
 

Seems like a self own for the Chinese . Are they saying that they are only qualified to do this menial work or is this work beneath the United States. I think they worried about losing “busy work” for their population. At this point those jobs could be modernized

[Fnord 2,486]

9 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Seems like a self own for the Chinese . Are they saying that they are only qualified to do this menial work or is this work beneath the United States. I think they worried about losing “busy work” for their population. At this point those jobs could be modernized

Something I deal with a lot IRL is lack of labor. This is a widespread problem across most, if not all industries. We can't hire enough people to work the factory jobs that are still in the U.S. Where is the labor coming from (especially skilled labor, which is even tougher to find) as we ramp up these beautiful new manufacturing facilities?

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Soon we're all going to be on the gravy train with biscuit wheels!

 

[Tebok 443]

5 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

I feel bad for 2 groups of people. 
 

1. Retiree’s who didn’t shift their money to less aggressive funds. 
2. People who were planning on retiring in the next year and now have to work 6-12 months longer (but they should be in less risky positions too)

Everyone else is experiencing a blip. 

Plus the parents that are counting on 529 plans to put their kids through college.

[Mike Honcho 5,411]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

 

I'd forgotten all about that commercial. As someone who works in video, mostly in 2D and 3D animation, my brain is kind of blown right now trying to figure out the hell they would have done that in back in the mid 70's. 

[The Real timschochet 7,349]

It’s funny; I’ve been accused of hyperbole here. I’ve used words like “disastrous” and “catastrophe” to describe these tariffs. But based on what I’m reading I’m not being hyperbolic enough. 
 

So here’s the deal: Donald Trump is not a good businessman. He drove several casinos into bankruptcy. Now he is literally trying to drive the USA into bankruptcy. He’s a moron. Those of you who voted for him are suckers; he has no idea what he’s doing. And we’re screwed. 

[Tebok 443]

104 percent tariffs on China.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/08/business/trump-china-tariff/index.html

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, Tebok said:

104 percent tariffs on China.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/08/business/trump-china-tariff/index.html

Oh no. Whatever will we do? Winning.  

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s funny; I’ve been accused of hyperbole here. I’ve used words like “disastrous” and “catastrophe” to describe these tariffs. But based on what I’m reading I’m not being hyperbolic enough. 
 

So here’s the deal: Donald Trump is not a good businessman. He drove several casinos into bankruptcy. Now he is literally trying to drive the USA into bankruptcy. He’s a moron. Those of you who voted for him are suckers; he has no idea what he’s doing. And we’re screwed. 

This is awesome. 

[HellToupee 2,161]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

 

My parents never bought Chuck Wagon , always lame Gravy Train no matter how great this commercial was

[Gepetto 1,445]

7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'd forgotten all about that commercial. As someone who works in video, mostly in 2D and 3D animation, my brain is kind of blown right now trying to figure out the hell they would have done that in back in the mid 70's. 

stop motion maybe

[Tebok 443]

History repeating itself, and Trump is a worse president than Hoover.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/smoot-hawley-tariff-act.asp

[Mike Honcho 5,411]

1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

stop motion maybe

That's part of it, but where the chuck wagon goes under the table with the moving camera---in front of and behind different table legs. that's the part that's got me scratching my head. 

[HellToupee 2,161]

4 minutes ago, Tebok said:

History repeating itself, and Trump is a worse president than Hoover.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/smoot-hawley-tariff-act.asp

Good old Rusty one note. Keeps playing the same note over and over

[WhiteWonder 2,903]

3 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

4-5 years down the line we come out of this ahead of where we were pre tariffs.  Some people will get screwed short term, but it had to be done. 

So much of this reminds me of the liberals crying (falsely) that Trump is going to end their social security!   Without stopping to realize social security has been in bad shape for quite a while now. They seem to forget that a few years ago, we began the shift to paying out more SS benefits than we are bringing in from SS tax on working individuals. The SS reserve account that had been built up over a long period of time is now being tapped into, and at this rate, we will eventually hit a point that the reserve is gone and SS benefits will only be able to be paid out at the rate SS tax funds are coming in.... which means a lot of people will be getting much less in benefits than they planned for and people my age and younger may not have any, despite paying into it. 

It's going to take serious reform

This is why the tariff doom and gloom and crying from guys like Tim, reminds me of social security.  They refuse to accept that in certain scenarios, big changes need to happen and some short term hurt may need to happen to ultimately fix an issue and come out better on the other side. 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

10 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

My parents never bought Chuck Wagon , always lame Gravy Train no matter how great this commercial was

When the economy collapses as Tim says it will, when my savings are nearly depleted and my teeth hurt because I can't afford proper dental care, I am going to rely on Gravy Train for my meals.  Its soft and with its own gravy I should be able to afford it and to chew it.  Screw those survival food boxes that keep food for 30 years so you can weather the apocalypse while all around you die.  I am going to make my own bucket for way less money.  I'll just fill a Home Depot bucket or two with Gravy Train and I should be good to go.