White teen killed by black homeowner after ringing doorbell at 3am

[TimHauck 2,633]

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/18-year-olds-shooting-death-may-have-been-result-of-tiktok-prank/3907010/
 

Particularly interested in @Horseman’s opinion of this, as he defended the shooting of Ralph Yarl (which wasn’t at 3am).

Myself of course am consistent, the dude shouldn’t have shot if all they did was ring the doorbell.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,988]

Prank at 3 am? I’m suspicious. Shooting him might have been excessive, but you don’t Fock with a man’s house at 3 am. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,728]

When and where can I riot?

[listen2me 23 1,831]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/18-year-olds

Myself of course am consistently annoying.

 

[listen2me 23 1,831]

As for the topic.  It sort of falls under play stupid games win stupid prizes.  

Itd be nice for the guy to hold off if it was just a ring of the doorbell and they werent actually breaking in.  But again play stupid games.  Perhaps the homeowner has had a break in or 2 before.  People in my area have guns.  Whether it is for protection or hunting.  You just assume each homeowner has a gun.  Im not going around ringing doorbells at 3am for a goof knowing that. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,728]

Let this be a lesson to all Tik Tok pranksters.  

[Engorgeous George 2,164]

Seem old for ringing doorbells.  I think we stopped that at about 12 years old.  In this day and age, with everybody having ring cameras, not to mention the neighbors across the street having them too, what is the point?

 

If all they did was ring the doorbell he should not have shot.  Thieves rarely ring to announce their presence.  If they tried his door or his windows at 3:00am and if they were wearing masks or had burglar tools or weapons, fine, shoot since there were three and you were outnumbered and it was early, early morning.

[Nomad99 706]

As a 2A proponent, situations like this are worrying to me. I firmly believe in the use of deadly force IF NECESSARY. I don't know the particulars of this instance but whatever the intent was it doesn't seem like it was to the point of deadly force. If I came home & someone was going out the window with my laptop.....I wouldn't shoot them. If I woke up in the middle of the night & someone was in my house...the the tag em & bag em crew would probably show up. I know these situations can be stressful but the importance of assessing the threat level is paramount. Nobody deserves to die for stealing a stereo.....unless they try to do it by force. Nobody deserves to die for coming on your property.......unless they attempt to force entry.

[jonnyutah 253]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/18-year-olds-shooting-death-may-have-been-result-of-tiktok-prank/3907010/
 

Particularly interested in @Horseman’s opinion of this, as he defended the shooting of Ralph Yarl (which wasn’t at 3am).

Myself of course am consistent, the dude shouldn’t have shot if all they did was ring the doorbell.

Were they banging on the door or did they ring the doorbell? I have read both and I feel it is pretty important distinction. I cut a lot of slack to people at 3am having their door banged on by three people. Could easily think they were trying to enter. 

 

[BufordT 429]

Never knew whitey knocking was a thing.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

I read that neighbors said those guys were trying to steal from homes.  I don't think the guy should face too harsh a punishment.

[Alias Detective 1,390]

This admission strikes me as an odd way to frame they were just ringing a door bell.

One of the other teens, who was grazed by a bullet, told detectives they weren’t breaking in to steal anything.

Sound to me an admission of breaking in, just not to steal anything rather just a prank.

[TimHauck 2,633]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I read that neighbors said those guys were trying to steal from homes.  I don't think the guy should face too harsh a punishment.

And yet the shooter has already been charged with second degree murder and is being held without bond.

I’m curious who called the police, sounds like it may have even been the homeowner 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

And yet the shooter has already been charged with second degree murder and is being held without bond.

I’m curious who called the police, sounds like it may have even been the homeowner 

Well, he shot someone.  He should have some kind of charges.  Now we follow the process to see if it was justified or not.

[5-Points 3,406]

Regardless of the guilt or innocence of all involved, I have a hankering to loot and burn down the business of a totally unrelated individual.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,247]

justified

[jonnyutah 253]

59 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Regardless of the guilt or innocence of all involved, I have a hankering to loot and burn down the business of a totally unrelated individual.

 

Seems like i should drive into a random black crossing guard. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

Were they banging on the door or did they ring the doorbell? I have read both and I feel it is pretty important distinction. I cut a lot of slack to people at 3am having their door banged on by three people. Could easily think they were trying to enter. 

 

Not sure, apparently there’s also a TikTok trend of kicking people’s doors so maybe it was even that - https://www.parents.com/door-kicking-challenge-on-tiktok-8745249

Too bad digby/ @F1erce isn’t still here to update us on the latest TikTok trends.

If they were kicking the door, then there’s probably a good argument for self defense.  Dare I say, similar to the cop that killed Ashli Babbitt ( @WhiteWonder)

[Strike 5,261]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If they were kicking the door, then there’s probably a good argument for self defense.  Dare I say, similar to the cop that killed Ashli Babbitt ( @WhiteWonder)

No, it's not similar to Ashli Babbitt.  FFS.

[TimHauck 2,633]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, it's not similar to Ashli Babbitt.  FFS.

How is Ashli Babbitt breaking into the capital not comparable to an unarmed person breaking into a house?  You could argue Byrd being a law enforcement officer could have used something besides a gun first, but  you could also argue Babbitt is worse because there was also an angry mob behind her.  

[thegeneral 2,988]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, it's not similar to Ashli Babbitt.  FFS.

Yeah she was magnitudes more in the wrong then this dumb kid.

[jbycho 624]

If this was a white guy shooting a black kid for ringing his doorbell the liberals would be loosing their shlt screaming "Racist!!! "

"All he did was ring a doorbell for God's sake!!! "

Cities would be burning.

[TheNewGirl 1,377]

play stupid games.....

[MLCKAA 548]

Read the story.

I will start by saying what those kids were doing was dumb.  However, I will follow that by saying it was harmless.

I’m a gun owner.  Have no real issues with people owning and carrying.

 Shooting someone from behind a closed door, when they are outside your residence, is not defensible.  It is reckless.  I can immediately think of alternatives that would be obvious to a reasonably sensible person.

[Engorgeous George 2,164]

3 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Read the story.

I will start by saying what those kids were doing was dumb.  However, I will follow that by saying it was harmless.

I’m a gun owner.  Have no real issues with people owning and carrying.

 Shooting someone from behind a closed door, when they are outside your residence, is not defensible.  It is reckless.  I can immediately think of alternatives that would be obvious to a reasonably sensible person.

He could have unleashed the hounds.

[TimHauck 2,633]

9 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Read the story.

I will start by saying what those kids were doing was dumb.  However, I will follow that by saying it was harmless.

I’m a gun owner.  Have no real issues with people owning and carrying.

 Shooting someone from behind a closed door, when they are outside your residence, is not defensible.  It is reckless.  I can immediately think of alternatives that would be obvious to a reasonably sensible person.

I think there’s still some details which are unclear.  Most notably if they were “pounding” or kicking the door.  As someone mentioned earlier apparently there are reports that one of the kids even somewhat acknowledged they had “broken in” to other homes.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 Dare I say, similar to the cop that killed Ashli Babbitt ( @WhiteWonder)

I guess you can say it, but i'm not sure why you @'ed me.  I don't think he should have been shot 

Although I guess if you want me to go deeper, I don't think the events of Jan 6 happened in the dark at 3am and I am assuming the shooter in this case was a civilian and not a trained officer. 

Much like I said of Babbitt, who I said I would not consider intelligent, I don't think these kids were very intelligent doing this kind of thing at 3am or at all... 

 

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/18-year-olds-shooting-death-may-have-been-result-of-tiktok-prank/3907010/
 

Particularly interested in @Horseman’s opinion of this, as he defended the shooting of Ralph Yarl (which wasn’t at 3am).

Myself of course am consistent, the dude shouldn’t have shot if all they did was ring the doorbell.

So you are consistent and this dude shouldn't have been shot, but you just @'ed me to compare the event to Ashli Babbitt on Jan 6, who you feel it was okay to shoot? 

[jbycho 624]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I think there’s still some details which are unclear.  Most notably if they were “pounding” or kicking the door.  As someone mentioned earlier apparently there are reports that one of the kids even somewhat acknowledged they had “broken in” to other homes.

Sure. We will all wait to hear what you make up for these "details". 

Timracist guy. 

[MLCKAA 548]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

I think there’s still some details which are unclear.  Most notably if they were “pounding” or kicking the door.  As someone mentioned earlier apparently there are reports that one of the kids even somewhat acknowledged they had “broken in” to other homes.

There certainly are details that aren’t clear.

Nonetheless, the kids were outside the locked door.  You cannot fire at someone for pounding or kicking your door.  If they haven’t breached, you’re not in imminent danger.  The average person is not able to break through a door.  There is no immediate risk to the shooter at that point.  He was probably scared but that is not justification to shoot someone from behind a closed door.

[kilroy69 1,218]

I get that pranks happen, and kids will be kids. That being said you cannot shoot at people for ringing your doorbell. In most states you have to not only be in fear for your life or those around you, but you also have to try to get out of the situation. If the kids were outside the door and you shot through. You just murdered some kid. 

[easilyscan 873]

8 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

As for the topic.  It sort of falls under play stupid games win stupid prizes.  

Amen

[TimHauck 2,633]

39 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I guess you can say it, but i'm not sure why you @'ed me.  I don't think he should have been shot 

Although I guess if you want me to go deeper, I don't think the events of Jan 6 happened in the dark at 3am and I am assuming the shooter in this case was a civilian and not a trained officer. 

Much like I said of Babbitt, who I said I would not consider intelligent, I don't think these kids were very intelligent doing this kind of thing at 3am or at all... 

 

So you are consistent and this dude shouldn't have been shot, but you just @'ed me to compare the event to Ashli Babbitt on Jan 6, who you feel it was okay to shoot? 

My original comment was based on the claim that they were only ringing the doorbell.

When I brought up Babbitt, in the previous sentence, I said “if they were kicking the door,” but you cut that part out of the quote.

I tagged you because someone breaking into a house was the specific scenario I brought up in the Babbitt thread.  You questioned the Capital being a house, but ended up asking about a business which I’d say is comparable to a house.

[WhiteWonder 2,682]

26 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

My original comment was based on the claim that they were only ringing the doorbell.

When I brought up Babbitt, in the previous sentence, I said “if they were kicking the door,” but you cut that part out of the quote.

I tagged you because someone breaking into a house was the specific scenario I brought up in the Babbitt thread.  You questioned the Capital being a house, but ended up asking about a business which I’d say is comparable to a house.

I cut it out because it wasn't relevant. If these kids were just ringing the doorbell OR attempting to break in, I would not want to see them shot and killed unless they have a weapon and shooting them prevents the loss of other lives.  So this is not the gotcha' moment you were hoping for when you tagged me. 

Plus, as I mentioned, I do think there are some distinct differences here... especially the difference between a trained officer in broad daylight compared to a potentially rattled civilian at 3 in the morning at a residential property. Not to say the officer wasn't in a hectic circumstance... but he's a trained officer for a reason.

I had asked about a business because the capitol building is a place of business. And rioters during some BLM protests did this to businesses. I was surprised that a few of you claimed you would have agreed with any of them being shot and killed... well, surprised but not surprised. Not surprised because you want to sound consistent but surprised because I'd be willing to place a large bet that without Jan 6 and the Babbitt shooting ever happening, you'd have been against the shooting and killing of any BLM rioters. 

And yes I agree that a business is comparable to a house as anyone inside that business is inside their place of livelihood which can be just as important as ones home. 

[Horseman 2,383]

9 hours ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/18-year-olds-shooting-death-may-have-been-result-of-tiktok-prank/3907010/
 

Particularly interested in @Horseman’s opinion of this, as he defended the shooting of Ralph Yarl (which wasn’t at 3am).

Myself of course am consistent, the dude shouldn’t have shot if all they did was ring the doorbell.

You should try ringing my doorbell at 3 am and find out.  

[thegeneral 2,988]

Ashley Babbitt was part of a large riot, inside a building that had been broken into violently, had just broken through a barricaded window, and was crawling in despite being screamed at to stop weapon drawn. 

If you don’t get shot at this point what does it take?

[thegeneral 2,988]

Not many details on this kid except he was being a little shithead. If he simply knocked on the door he shouldn’t have been shot. But there are many details that we don’t know.

Sad when anyone gets killed so needlessly. I’m guessing the old man doesn’t feel great about this based on what little we know. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

14 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I cut it out because it wasn't relevant. If these kids were just ringing the doorbell OR attempting to break in, I would not want to see them shot and killed unless they have a weapon and shooting them prevents the loss of other lives.  So this is not the gotcha' moment you were hoping for when you tagged me. 

Plus, as I mentioned, I do think there are some distinct differences here... especially the difference between a trained officer in broad daylight compared to a potentially rattled civilian at 3 in the morning at a residential property. Not to say the officer wasn't in a hectic circumstance... but he's a trained officer for a reason.

I had asked about a business because the capitol building is a place of business. And rioters during some BLM protests did this to businesses. I was surprised that a few of you claimed you would have agreed with any of them being shot and killed... well, surprised but not surprised. Not surprised because you want to sound consistent but surprised because I'd be willing to place a large bet that without Jan 6 and the Babbitt shooting ever happening, you'd have been against the shooting and killing of any BLM rioters. 

And yes I agree that a business is comparable to a house as anyone inside that business is inside their place of livelihood which can be just as important as ones home. 

Wasn’t trying to gotcha you, just pointing out that I still think Babbitt’s situation was comparable to someone trying to break into a house.   Yes if you think someone isn’t justified to shoot someone breaking into their house or business then that would be consistent with thinking Byrd wasn’t justified in shooting Babbitt.  But I’m sure there are many people here ( @Horseman probably one) that think Byrd wasn’t justified to shoot Babbitt but someone whose house is being broken into is justified to shoot the intruder (even if unarmed).

Many here have consistently condemned the actual violence that occurred during the 2020 summer of love btw.

[TimHauck 2,633]

1 hour ago, MLCKAA said:

Nonetheless, the kids were outside the locked door. 

Do we know this?

[Horseman 2,383]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wasn’t trying to gotcha you, just pointing out that I still think Babbitt’s situation was comparable to someone trying to break into a house.   Yes if you think someone isn’t justified to shoot someone breaking into their house or business then that would be consistent with thinking Byrd wasn’t justified in shooting Babbitt.  But I’m sure there are many people here ( @Horseman probably one) that think Byrd wasn’t justified to shoot Babbitt but someone whose house is being broken into is justified to shoot the intruder (even if unarmed).

Many here have consistently condemned the actual violence that occurred during the 2020 summer of love btw.

Soccer is comparable to football, they're both sports for example.  It's a matter of whether a comparison is appropriate.  Your attempt to compare a home shooting to the Babbit shooting further than them both being shootings isn't appropriate. It's retarded.  

[jbycho 624]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Soccer is comparable to football, they're both sports for example.  It's a matter of whether a comparison is appropriate.  Your attempt to compare a home shooting to the Babbit shooting further than them both being shootings isn't appropriate. It's retarded.  

Well, that's what you get when the person you are talking with is a tard.