What do you disagree with "your side" about

[shotsup 831]

I prefer mashed over baked

Baked twice is best

[bandrus1 413]

How about this. Uncontrolled multiculturalism doesn't work.

 

 

this isnt my point at all

[crackattack 513]

 

 

this isnt my point at all

Didn't say it was. . It's my point. Letting large amounts of undocumented immigrants or large amounts of refugees in, and stay, is not good imo.

[iam90sbaby 2,121]

 

Not really. The constant influx of illegals has had a significant detrimental effect on cities like Los Angeles and others along the southern border. In smaller quantities people tend to assimilate. In the quantities the illegals have been coming they set up their own communities and don't.

 

Seems to be more of a problem now though more than ever, at least before it was pretty manageable.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

+1

 

Puhleeeese. Digby is right, you just lie all the time.

[Strike 3,950]

 

Seems to be more of a problem now though more than ever, at least before it was pretty manageable.

 

Sure. When I grew up in the San Fernando Valley we knew they were there. But they kept to themselves for the most part, lived in a few pockets of the valley, and mowed our lawns. Now, they're EVERYWHERE. My Mom's upper middle class neighborhood will have 5-10 of them in front of the 7-11. The Home Depots literally have 50-100 (or more) hanging around. The valley used to be a great place. Now, it has some great pockets like where my Mom lives but the rest of the valley is quite the cesspool. School quality has gone to sh*t, probably because in many classes the teaches have to try to compensate for kids who don't really speak English. There's just too damn many of them. And every time we try to address the issue the first thing the libs want is focking amnesty. We gave that to them in 1986 with a PROMISE that we'd NEVER have this problem EVER again. But here we are.

[edjr 5,547]

Puhleeeese. Digby is right, you just lie all the time.

 

 

your good friend tell you?

[NewbieJr 540]

 

 

your good friend tell you?

[jerryskids 5,172]

I'm a neoconservatard, obviously.

 

- I support gay marriage. I used to oppose gays adopting kids, but I've softened on that and recognize that a loving family environment is better than otherwise.

- My stance on the death penalty has shifted and I now lean slightly against. Society should not be in the business of killing its constituents, not to mention it is hella expensive and drawn out (which will never change). Let's just have life in prison and be done.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,595]

 

 

your good friend tell you?

After Sully stole your dope, what did you say to him at the local dive? Nice friends you got there

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Abortion for rape victims.

 

Gun registration WITH mandatory life sentence for any felon caught with a firearm.

[iam90sbaby 2,121]

I'm a neoconservatard, obviously.

 

- I support gay marriage. I used to oppose gays adopting kids, but I've softened on that and recognize that a loving family environment is better than otherwise.

- My stance on the death penalty has shifted and I now lean slightly against. Society should not be in the business of killing its constituents, not to mention it is hella expensive and drawn out (which will never change). Let's just have life in prison and be done.

 

I think treason should be the only crime punishable by death. I use to think there were a lot more crimes where the DP was a fitting punishment.

[supermike80 1,285]

Id say I am middle of the road politically and while I agree with a lot of conservative ideals and support quite a bit of what they are trying to accomplish, I will say the blind support of Trump is frustrating.

Fundamentally I think he's a buffoon. And embarrassing. But he's there and I will support him, to a degree. But I don't like how some strong conservatives defend him completely.

[Alias Detective 1,179]

I'm Republican leaning on most issues.

 

I think there should be mandatory background checks on all gun purchases along with mandatory lengthy minimum sentences for those convicted of possessing stolen weapons.

 

I believe in a woman's right to abort because it is cheaper than paying for the child for life. With that, Planned Parenthood should receive funding as a not for profit.

 

I believe in a balanced budget at all levels of Government. Neither party can control spending enough to accomplish this though.

[Sho Nuff 719]

This Thread is going to be great to watch the two biggest trolls on this board politically not ever answer this question.

You already answered.

 

 

From the right.

Fiscal conservatism is gone in the GOP.

The move to the far right and Christian crap was bad and still hasn't come back yet. And I'm a Christian...just understand how to separate that vs government.

The obstruction used for so long was terrible.

 

From the left...

Failure in healthcare and right now zero attempt to fix what is there while the GOP screws up theor own plan.

Too far in the LGBTQ9er

Their own obstruction and inability to have a real identity right now.

Focking Hillary Clinton

Talks about guns but any real change is never proposed in a realistic way. I'm pro 2nd Amendment...but understand regulations are needed.

[Kanil 519]

I've never voted anything other than R until this election (Johnson) so I guess I'd be on that side (although I'm definitely further left that most Rs, but definitely right of center).

• Climate Change is probably the biggest thing I disagree with
• A lot of Rs want tax dollars to go to religious schools (or have religion brought into public schools)

The left definitely has my heart with those two major issues but they have a lot more big flaws in my point of view

• Not giving the military what they need to be as safe as possible
• Anti-GMO/Anti-Vaccine is just idiocy
• The welfare system is focked (I'm all for making sure we don't have people starving to death in the streets but there have to be checks in place to make sure people are trying. Freeloaders suck.)
• Socialized anything is usually a huge failure and leads to those freeloaders

 

My biggest sticking points for folks on both sides is just not listening to the experts. If you're anti-science on ANY issue, you're an in my book.

[jerryskids 5,172]

My biggest sticking points for folks on both sides is just not listening to the experts. If you're anti-science on ANY issue, you're an ###### in my book.

 

Well... my wife and I both are engineers from prestigious universities, and we both have significant misgivings regarding climate change, specifically regarding scientific evidence of the impact of mankind on that change. That being said I believe in being responsible and generally erring on the safe side, but not at the sake of crippling our economy. Also the movement has a religious zealotry which is decidedly not scientific.

[bandrus1 413]

How does having a BS in engineering somehow make you more qualified to speak about reliability of climate change research

[Brad GLuckman 518]

I started off as a pretty standard Republican. Mostly from my conservative upbringing.

 

Since then I've moved to the point where I am torn. I don't think either party represents me.

 

I want a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, party. I used to think it was wrong to "punish" the rich for being rich, my views changed once I started working. Not so much that I want to punish the rich. But I realize The rich have set up a system to keep rewarding the rich, while screwing the rest of us. On top of that, Republicans are not fiscally conservative. Dems spend too much time on social issues that don't actually matter (transgender rights).

 

In the end, Im mostly a liberal I guess. But their fiscal irresponsibility still bothers me too much to start voting for them.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I want a side.

- pro-choice

- pro-death penalty

- for cutting our social spending spending (need it for some but we have people whose occupation is sucking off the government teet

- for cutting some military spending. We can be better at efficiency and I agree with what candidate Trump said about doing better. President Trump doesn't seem eager there.

- for national healthcare, but think we have to address the cost side

- legalize marijuana

- all for gay marriage

- I think climate change is real and we need to do better. However, it doesn't make a difference if the rest of the world is making a huge mess

- almost all politicians suck - pay more and have term limits to attract better people

[Bier Meister 1,512]

I want a side.

- pro-choice

- pro-death penalty

- for cutting our social spending spending (need it for some but we have people whose occupation is sucking off the government teet

- for cutting some military spending. We can be better at efficiency and I agree with what candidate Trump said about doing better. President Trump doesn't seem eager there.

- for national healthcare, but think we have to address the cost side

- legalize marijuana

- all for gay marriage

- I think climate change is real and we need to do better. However, it doesn't make a difference if the rest of the world is making a huge mess

- almost all politicians suck - pay more and have term limits to attract better people

 

 

i like this platform, though not in favor of cutting cutting $$ for social services. need to manage it better.

[Voltaire 4,555]

 

 

i like this platform, though not in favor of cutting cutting $$ for social services. need to manage it better.

Works for me too other than the marijuana and gay marriage bit but those are low priority and the gay marriage bit is already done.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

 

i like this platform, though not in favor of cutting cutting $$ for social services. need to manage it better.

Don't you think that there is a material amount of money being spent on people with "disabilities " that amount to nothing more than laziness? I see people who can afford cell phones, Netflix and meals out because we pay for it. Ask around about who gets free school lunch and you will see people who milk the system. Is that "manage it better" or "cut spending"? Our social spending should be reserved for those who truly need it. We have too many people who don't work because the pay from the government to not work is better. That is wrong and needs to be fixed.

[Bier Meister 1,512]

Don't you think that there is a material amount of money being spent on people with "disabilities " that amount to nothing more than laziness? I see people who can afford cell phones, Netflix and meals out because we pay for it. Ask around about who gets free school lunch and you will see people who milk the system. Is that "manage it better" or "cut spending"? Our social spending should be reserved for those who truly need it. We have too many people who don't work because the pay from the government to not work is better. That is wrong and needs to be fixed.

 

 

i see that as managing the benefits better. i still would not want to cut funds to the department, but would like to see them regulate them more efficiently.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

 

i see that as managing the benefits better. i still would not want to cut funds to the department, but would like to see them regulate them more efficiently.

I can understand that, but I still disagree . I think we have a spending problem that we like to address by taxing more. If this were my house, I would get my costs in order, but politicians are not driven to do that because they get votes by giving away OUR money.

 

Let me clear - I want to help those in need and it is not all welfare. For example, I think we should spend more on veteran care while we cut overall military spending. It is spending smarter with a net cut in spending. We can't keep spending more than we bring in.

[wiffleball 4,631]

I guess I disagree with the premise of the question.

 

I mean yeah, this bored is either overly populated with truly just plain stupid people - or very committed trolls - or some combination thereof. And, after all this time, I'm still not sure what to believe.

 

The reason I bring that up is that it is they that can only seem to wrap their gourds around the idea of a simple, binary "Left/Right' "black hat/white hat" "Libruhl/Republican" world. Anything beyond that seems (and have proven to be) completely out of their conception.

 

But the truth is, I think what we've seen in the past 20 years or so (and increasing every year) is an electorate largely fleeing from the "Red/Blue" mindset.

 

There were a shiitload of true Conservatives who abandoned Bush/Cheney over Iraq and other matters. In fact, most of the retards here don't realize that Bush was actually responsible for a huge increase in entitlements. They would categorically mind-splode rather than accept that.

 

Then, along came McSame and Palin. - And even MORE true Conservatives abandoned the GOP.

 

And now, as much as the Trump-cakes want to argue otherwise, Trump is about as much of a true Conservative as Rush Limblob is a fitness guru.

 

Bottom line: I think most Americans, if given the chance, would say they are Fiscally, Militarily and Foreign Policy Conservative while leaning more social libruhl. - But with the qualifier is that they aren't 'libruhl' as much as they are just pro-common sense. - Couldn't give a rat's ass about bullshiit like 'the 'defense' of marriage'. - Aren't dumb enough to believe there is ANY such thing as "Clean Coal", etc.

 

In other words, most of the American electorate is in the 60% of the sine curve, whilst American Policies are most influenced by the most vocal (and wealthy) idiots in the 20% sections on both sides.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

I guess I disagree with the premise of the question.

 

I mean yeah, this bored is either overly populated with truly just plain stupid people - or very committed trolls - or some combination thereof. And, after all this time, I'm still not sure what to believe.

 

The reason I bring that up is that it is they that can only seem to wrap their gourds around the idea of a simple, binary "Left/Right' "black hat/white hat" "Libruhl/Republican" world. Anything beyond that seems (and have proven to be) completely out of their conception.

 

But the truth is, I think what we've seen in the past 20 years or so (and increasing every year) is an electorate largely fleeing from the "Red/Blue" mindset.

 

There were a shiitload of true Conservatives who abandoned Bush/Cheney over Iraq and other matters. In fact, most of the retards here don't realize that Bush was actually responsible for a huge increase in entitlements. They would categorically mind-splode rather than accept that.

 

Then, along came McSame and Palin. - And even MORE true Conservatives abandoned the GOP.

 

And now, as much as the Trump-cakes want to argue otherwise, Trump is about as much of a true Conservative as Rush Limblob is a fitness guru.

 

Bottom line: I think most Americans, if given the chance, would say they are Fiscally, Militarily and Foreign Policy Conservative while leaning more social libruhl. - But with the qualifier is that they aren't 'libruhl' as much as they are just pro-common sense. - Couldn't give a rat's ass about bullshiit like 'the 'defense' of marriage'. - Aren't dumb enough to believe there is ANY such thing as "Clean Coal", etc.

 

In other words, most of the American electorate is in the 60% of the sine curve, whilst American Policies are most influenced by the most vocal (and wealthy) idiots in the 20% sections on both sides.

Good post.