Kap - Does anyone think he's good?

[brotherbock 349]

Is there anyone out there who thinks this guy should be a starting QB in the NFL? He has zero football IQ, and horrible, just horrible accuracy. Why is there room for him at QB if there isn't room for a guy like Tebow?

 

Honestly, I'd rather have Tebow at QB. Not some bitter rant here, I'm no SF fan and Kaps implosion today is doing good things for me in fantasy. But Lord, is he horrible.

[Flint5 4]

No

[uwmalcolm 74]

Is there anyone out there who thinks this guy should be a starting QB in the NFL? He has zero football IQ, and horrible, just horrible accuracy. Why is there room for him at QB if there isn't room for a guy like Tebow?

 

Honestly, I'd rather have Tebow at QB. Not some bitter rant here, I'm no SF fan and Kaps implosion today is doing good things for me in fantasy. But Lord, is he horrible.

Are you best friends with weepaws? Tebow can't throw the ball at all. Keap isn't a great QB by any means, and has been handing the ball over a ton today, but he's light years ahead of Tebow unless religious fervor is part of your evaluation.

[brotherbock 349]

Are you best friends with weepaws? Tebow can't throw the ball at all. Keap isn't a great QB by any means, and has been handing the ball over a ton today, but he's light years ahead of Tebow unless religious fervor is part of your evaluation.

My evaluation is whether I want an idiot who won't win me games at QB. That's Kap. He's hidden behind a solid team for the 'good' part of his career, but they made a mistake getting rid of Alex Smith, I'll say that too.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,247]

No. I was crucified for saying he wasnt that good on his spree a few years back. He sucks, just like bortles.

[DaBeerz 88]

No, I thought he had some potential in his years under Harbaugh, he had good arm strength and could make plays with his legs.

 

He's undisciplined, and I'm guessing puts in the bare minimum of work on the preparation side. I saw him regress as a QB and I think we've seen his ceiling.

[Reality 3,121]

Yes, he's terrible, how did he ever possibly lead a team to the SuperBowl.

 

[roroco 75]

He is bottom half of the league. He has no touch pass, little accuracy, and not much QB IQ. It is amazing that he has a gun for an arm and still performs at the bottom of the league on deep plays. If he couldn't run, he would have been dumped long ago.

 

He did well when the rest of the team was stacked with Pro Bowlers. Now, he is garbage.

[Redstone 0]

Bad decisions. Just doesn't have it between the ears

[Ray_T 753]

No. I was crucified for saying he wasnt that good on his spree a few years back. He sucks, just like bortles.

Yeah, I made some comments about some of the throws he was making being dangerous. Everyone said..... 'no, he's just that accurate when he throws the ball'

 

Of course, that was then, this is now.

[Byrdman5 112]

I was thinking about picking him up week 9 against ATL for a bye week fill XD. Might be a mistake now.. Then again it was Arizona.

[DaBeerz 88]

He is bottom half of the league. He has no touch pass, little accuracy, and not much QB IQ. It is amazing that he has a gun for an arm and still performs at the bottom of the league on deep plays. If he couldn't run, he would have been dumped long ago.

 

He did well when the rest of the team was stacked with Pro Bowlers. Now, he is garbage.

 

Exactly, I was impressed with his arm strength, but he guns every pass like he's trying to throw it 50 yards.

 

As you noted, poor accuracy misses open guys and low football IQ. Got in a habit of running when under pressure, and Gore took a lot of heat off him with strong running performances.

[American Chewy 98]

Yes, he's terrible, how did he ever possibly lead a team to the SuperBowl.

 

 

rex grossman led a team to the superbowl

[DrG 103]

He is Jim Druckenmiller 2.0

 

Tomsula will be the fall guy here

 

Mangini gets the job next year

[DaBeerz 88]

 

rex grossman led a team to the superbowl

 

Trent Dilfer

 

Brad Johnson

 

Both WON a superbowl, nobody would ever say they were good QB's.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Yes, he's terrible, how did he ever possibly lead a team to the SuperBowl.

He's a guy that can thrive under optimal conditions like having a great defense and the right coach. These kinds of guys are always teetering and a little adversity can push them over the edge. Kaep CAN be successful in the NFL, he's just not a guy that makes his teammates better.

[GornFishin' 57]

He's also had a very good defence that has kept them in the game when he was not playing well.

 

But he doesnt now and the O line is porous so has to make rushed decisions, which he isn't great at.

 

Compounding this is the fact he thinks he has the legs to get out of bad situations when maybe he can get out of 10-20 percent of them. The rest of the time he just makes it worse.

 

So its either take a sack or make an ill advised throw.

 

You end up with a QB with a volatile range of outcomes. When its bad, its really bad. He needs to learn to play a boring mistake free type of game, but I'm not sure he can.

[Bishop82 61]

Jay Cutler or Colin Kaepernick?

 

As a Bears fan, I'd rather have Kap. At least he has beaten Green Bay.

[DankNuggs 305]

Terrible O line, i don't think he is as bad as this performance... Clearly was pressing too much which is to be expected with a team that is going to struggle like this for now

[Cruzer 1,995]

His agent and his mom - that's it.

[R8RMick 242]

Forget his performance, and his giving up pick sixes on the same play, the clowns contract is like an albatross around the neck of that Frisco team. The numbers are sobering-

 

2015 $15.2 mill cap hit and $20.6 mill dead money

2016 $ 16.7 mill cap hit and $7.3 mill dead money

2017 $ 19.7 mill cap hit and $4.9 mill dead money

2018 $ 19.8 mill cap hit and $2.4 mill dead money

 

Obviously this year is a lost cause but even if they cut him next year that's almost a $15 mill cap hit. Ouch.

 

Oh how the mighty have fallen lol...

[kilroy69 1,245]

he made his money off running the read option. now that you can hit the qb on that play it's not run nearly as much. That one simple play and the ability it had to cause problems for opposing Ds can not be overlooked.

[qimqam 1]

Is there anyone out there who thinks this guy should be a starting QB in the NFL? He has zero football IQ, and horrible, just horrible accuracy. Why is there room for him at QB if there isn't room for a guy like Tebow?

 

Honestly, I'd rather have Tebow at QB. Not some bitter rant here, I'm no SF fan and Kaps implosion today is doing good things for me in fantasy. But Lord, is he horrible.

Agree 100% ... I never thought he was good for 1 second.

And yes I would absolutely take Tebow over him as a QB.

[DaBeerz 88]

He's also had a very good defence that has kept them in the game when he was not playing well.

 

But he doesnt now and the O line is porous so has to make rushed decisions, which he isn't great at.

 

Compounding this is the fact he thinks he has the legs to get out of bad situations when maybe he can get out of 10-20 percent of them. The rest of the time he just makes it worse.

 

So its either take a sack or make an ill advised throw.

 

You end up with a QB with a volatile range of outcomes. When its bad, its really bad. He needs to learn to play a boring mistake free type of game, but I'm not sure he can.

 

Just watch film on his predecessor, Alex Smith (Capn' Checkdown) and if he can make a career out of it, so can Kaep.

[DaBeerz 88]

Agree 100% ... I never thought he was good for 1 second.

And yes I would absolutely take Tebow over him as a QB.

 

Common man, I'm as big of a Tebow honk as anyone but come on.

 

Tebow had a decent long ball, but no touch on easy short to medium throws. Plus he has a bit of a noodle arm compared to Kaep. Not to mention his long release and he's slow to get the ball out.

[worm 36]

Forget his performance, and his giving up pick sixes on the same play, the clowns contract is like an albatross around the neck of that Frisco team. The numbers are sobering-

 

2015 $15.2 mill cap hit and $20.6 mill dead money

2016 $ 16.7 mill cap hit and $7.3 mill dead money

2017 $ 19.7 mill cap hit and $4.9 mill dead money

2018 $ 19.8 mill cap hit and $2.4 mill dead money

 

Obviously this year is a lost cause but even if they cut him next year that's almost a $15 mill cap hit. Ouch.

 

Oh how the mighty have fallen lol...

His contract is actually very team-friendly. They can cut him any year before April 1 and only have whatever's left of the signing bonus on the cap.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/05/the-full-kaepernick-contract-details/

[Beyond Chaos 75]

I think he's in the bottom half of currently starting QBs, probably the bottom 1/3 fantasy-wise going forward. Most of his value comes from his ability to scramble. I wouldn't want him as my starter or my backup in FF especially in the division he is in.

[R8RMick 242]

His contract is actually very team-friendly. They can cut him any year before April 1 and only have whatever's left of the signing bonus on the cap.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/05/the-full-kaepernick-contract-details/

Dead money is dead money. As of now that amount is $35 million. Next year it does go down to $15 million.

[GornFishin' 57]

 

Just watch film on his predecessor, Alex Smith (Capn' Checkdown) and if he can make a career out of it, so can Kaep.

 

Smith has had a certain J Charles help him out and offset his checkdowness, (new word) with big play ability..

 

Kaep thinks hes the one that has to make the big plays.

[DaBeerz 88]

 

Smith has had a certain J Charles help him out and offset his checkdowness, (new word) with big play ability..

 

Kaep thinks hes the one that has to make the big plays.

 

Don't take the following as an excuse for Kaep sucking but...other than Hyde in Week 1, that's entirely true!

 

What's that offense got going for it?

 

Old ass Vernon Davis who probably should be retired, and is coming off a 25 rec/245yard season is all he did in 14 games! I seem to recall he was banged up all year as well. Same deal this year.

 

Slow ass possession reciever Bolden, not gonna break big plays, but can move the chains.

 

Hyde, a relative unknown ? who had 1 big game and everyone lost their minds saying he's the next big stud RB.

 

T. Smith, a guy who perpetually is overrated and underperforms relative to expectations. He cracked 1000 yards once when he had over 139 targets and Flacco was ballin' in 2013 his big contract year.

 

Oh right let's not forget Reggie Bush, a guy who is perpetually hurt and has only played a full season twice in his career.

 

So yeah, I'd say Kaep does have to make all the plays.

[brotherbock 349]

 

Smith has had a certain J Charles help him out and offset his checkdowness, (new word) with big play ability..

 

Kaep thinks hes the one that has to make the big plays.

Don't forget that it was Smith tearing it up that year before he got concussed and Kap took over. Smith had finally turned a switch on, and had a good team. Kap didn't do any better than it looked like Smith was going to do.

 

And Smith looked pretty good for the last five minutes of the game last night Better as a QB, as opposed to a runner, than Kap ever has.

[Byrdman5 112]

Don't forget that it was Smith tearing it up that year before he got concussed and Kap took over. Smith had finally turned a switch on, and had a good team. Kap didn't do any better than it looked like Smith was going to do.

And Smith looked pretty good for the last five minutes of the game last night Better as a QB, as opposed to a runner, than Kap ever has.

Smith with the epic spin move on Mathews made me laugh!

[Reality 3,121]

I'll go ahead and bump this for the local arm chair QB's. Big Kap is playing some very good ball right now. He made 2 throws today on the run across his body that other QB's in the league simply can't make.

 

When he's right, he's pretty damn good.

 

This thread is filled with a lot dumb, it's ok to admit you may have jumped the gun, or you simply had no idea what you were taking about.

 

[tanatastic 2,062]

People need to understand there are lots of ebb and flow situations during a season. Brady was droppable through week 4 then was MVP quality last year, same with Lacy. Guys go through ups and downs, teams gel, lines gel. Kaep can play, we've seen it multiple seasons.

[brotherbock 349]

I'll go ahead and bump this for the local arm chair QB's. Big Kap is playing some very good ball right now. He made 2 throws today on the run across his body that other QB's in the league simply can't make.

 

When he's right, he's pretty damn good.

 

This thread is filled with a lot dumb, it's ok to admit you may have jumped the gun, or you simply had no idea what you were taking about.

 

 

Nope, he's still not good. He's got physical talent, never in question. The Ravens played pretty bad, and they can be thrown on. So he threw on them. Good for him, he had a 340/2 day. That's definitely above average, well above for a guy of his low FB IQ and overall talent.

 

But no, you're right. Good QBs have days like he did against AZ.

 

The stats show a guy who's performance has been going down and down as the D and run game got worse and worse year after year. That indicates he was riding a good team, not the other way around. Let him finish the year like this, I'll gladly admit that he will have *improved*. But that doesn't mean he hasn't sucked for over a year. Completely sucked.

[DrG 103]

The 9ers have below average talent on the line and at wr.

They also do not play to his strengths. Hard to say. He has anarrower skill set that can be potent if used right

[brotherbock 349]

The 9ers have below average talent on the line and at wr.

They also do not play to his strengths. Hard to say. He has anarrower skill set that can be potent if used right

 

Okay, that's a good way of putting it. But it's a lot like I said too. Give him a good running game threat (aside from him) and don't make him have to put up a ton of points, and his athleticism can do a lot. He might be able to think quick, even if he can't absorb a big playbook.

[sirensong 111]

he's the future of the QB position. bazooka arm, RB legs. can threaten defenses on every level in a variety of ways. smart, makes good decisions, and has his entire career to blossom.

 

 

 

oh wait--this is 2015.

 

 

 

 

no.

[roroco 75]

Even terrible QBs can have great games against woeful teams like the Ravens. Kap in point.

[weepaws 3,173]

I'll go ahead and bump this for the local arm chair QB's. Big Kap is playing some very good ball right now. He made 2 throws today on the run across his body that other QB's in the league simply can't make.

When he's right, he's pretty damn good.

This thread is filled with a lot dumb, it's ok to admit you may have jumped the gun, or you simply had no idea what you were taking about.

He is a good match vs very bad defenses like he played today , either wise he not even worth having on most rosters .