Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ok I'm done. I'm over trying to point out the wrongdoings of the nfl to people who don't want to see it. I'll just wait for the judge hearing the case to point all this out in black and white. Once that happens I will revisit the topic and find out what you along with everyone else's line of thinking is

 

Ive stated the NFL has been in the wrong on things and lied and leaked things.

 

Ive asked you to point out what data they manipulated...and this is your response.

[cbfalcon 825]

Dude...you are having trouble with context of discussions.

You don't get it...thats fine...but damn, you just keep going and proving it.

Context...I understand.

 

I understand that you would prefer to argue elements of this case in a vacuum and not be required to show consistency from one facet to the next.

 

Last week, it was up to Brady to determine what was relevant. That's all the league wanted. But he refused to even do that.....This week, when it is shown that Brady did determine what was relevant, but you didn't like his answer, it wasn't up to Brady to determine what was relevant.

 

Last week, there was no way Brady was ever going to have to give up his phone......this week, he destroyed his phone because he didn't want to have to give it up.

 

I get it. I need to understand the context of discussions and not think a fact used in a prior discussion is still a fact in a new discussion, even if it's the same fact.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Context...I understand.

 

I understand that you would prefer to argue elements of this case in a vacuum and not be required to show consistency from one facet to the next.

 

Last week, it was up to Brady to determine what was relevant. That's all the league wanted. But he refused to even do that.....This week, when it is shown that Brady did determine what was relevant, but you didn't like his answer, it wasn't up to Brady to determine what was relevant.

 

Last week, there was no way Brady was ever going to have to give up his phone......this week, he destroyed his phone because he didn't want to have to give it up.

 

I get it. I need to understand the context of discussions and not think a fact used in a prior discussion is still a fact in a new discussion, even if it's the same fact.

 

You are taking what I said last week in a different context to the discussion today.

THe point was he was given the chance to provide relevant texts...you claim through the interviews he said there were none.

We know this to be false already...that there were texts relevant to the case. You are not helping your case for Brady here.

 

This week, talking about relevant was that Brady and his team don't get to determine what the NFL will ask for or what is relevant to them to ask for. It was about the spreadsheet being sufficient and I was saying Brady and his lawyers, in that context, don't get to determine if that is sufficient.

 

He destroyed his phone because he didn't want it getting to court and at the time he destroyed it was not certain it would be asked for at some point.

 

You don't get it...you jumped in and showed you didn't get it...and continue to make an ass out of yourself with this attempted spin and crap show...all so you don't have to admit that Brady lied.

And why would he lie? There is only motivation for him to lie if he knew something or did something. That would be logical right?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

If my phone all of a sudden became a national news story I would be very worried that someone would look to hack it or steal it. It would be worth a lot of money. I would probably get rid of it too.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

You are taking what I said last week in a different context to the discussion today.

THe point was he was given the chance to provide relevant texts...you claim through the interviews he said there were none.

We know this to be false already...that there were texts relevant to the case. You are not helping your case for Brady here.

 

This week, talking about relevant was that Brady and his team don't get to determine what the NFL will ask for or what is relevant to them to ask for. It was about the spreadsheet being sufficient and I was saying Brady and his lawyers, in that context, don't get to determine if that is sufficient.

 

He destroyed his phone because he didn't want it getting to court and at the time he destroyed it was not certain it would be asked for at some point.

 

You don't get it...you jumped in and showed you didn't get it...and continue to make an ass out of yourself with this attempted spin and crap show...all so you don't have to admit that Brady lied.

And why would he lie? There is only motivation for him to lie if he knew something or did something. That would be logical right?

Got it. So Brady got his chance go determine what was relevant and give it up...but then the league decided his determination wasn't sufficient...which I guess means he didnt really get to determine what was sufficient.

 

And the league was NEVER going to go through his phone....unless the league decided they would need his phone at some point. So maybe he was going to have to give up all of his dong pics at some point unless he destroyed the phone... Got it.

 

Well, Thank you for making things so clear. And while it was always clear you were strongly anti Brady, I do apologize for being a bit confused about the basis of your stance.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Got it. So Brady got his chance go determine what was relevant and give it up...but then the league decided his determination wasn't sufficient...which I guess means he didnt really get to determine what was sufficient.

 

And the league was NEVER going to go through his phone....unless the league decided they would need his phone at some point. So maybe he was going to have to give up all of his dong pics at some point unless he destroyed the phone... Got it.

 

Well, Thank you for making things so clear. And while it was always clear you were strongly anti Brady, I do apologize for being a bit confused about the basis of your stance.

You are terrible at this.

[NewbieJr 541]

Lol @ cbfagcoln, who just yesterday didn't even know that Brady wasn't asked to hand over his phone. He wwould have been better off staying ignorant instead of getting bulldozed so badly.

I feel bad for you son. Not only clueless, but unable to determine when youve had your ass handed to you. Seems you're in the same position as pretty boy Brady. Annhialated, but still flailing sway.

[cbfalcon 825]

Lol @ cbfagcoln, who just yesterday didn't even know that Brady wasn't asked to hand over his phone. He wwould have been better off staying ignorant instead of getting bulldozed so badly.

I feel bad for you son. Not only clueless, but unable to determine when youve had your ass handed to you. Seems you're in the same position as pretty boy Brady. Annhialated, but still flailing sway.

Just wow.

 

I do have to admit...your ability to grasp nothing, make zero points, and display a complete inability to use logic...all the while believing you "bulldozed" somebody is extremely irritating.

 

Its a gift. I get it now.

[NewbieJr 541]

Just wow.

 

I do have to admit...your ability to grasp nothing, make zero points, and display a complete inability to use logic...all the while believing you "bulldozed" somebody is extremely irritating.

 

Its a gift. I get it now.

You played an aloof jerk off for two days. Trying desperately to get me and shonuff to give you the answers you wanted. When it didn't happen, you claimed we were scared. Lol. What a tool.

Brady cheated. Then he lied. Then he destroyed evidence. THE BALL BOY'S NAME IS THE DEFLATOR!! HAHA. why is this obvious to everyone but you?? (And Pats fans, of course)

Now I ask the questions. Let's see who's afraid.

 

Why didn't Brady want to cooperate?

Why was the Pat's ball boy nicknamed The Deflator?

After ZERO previous contact, why did Brady call the Deflator six times for a total of 60 minutes in the 24 hours after he got busted?

Why did Brady destroy his phone on tje say he was to be interviewed by Wells?

 

Good luck.

[cbfalcon 825]

You played an aloof jerk off for two days. Trying desperately to get me and shonuff to give you the answers you wanted. When it didn't happen, you claimed we were scared. Lol. What a tool.

Brady cheated. Then he lied. Then he destroyed evidence. THE BALL BOY'S NAME IS THE DEFLATOR!! HAHA. why is this obvious to everyone but you?? (And Pats fans, of course)

Now I ask the questions. Let's see who's afraid.

 

Why didn't Brady want to cooperate?

Why was the Pat's ball boy nicknamed The Deflator?

After ZERO previous contact, why did Brady call the Deflator six times for a total of 60 minutes in the 24 hours after he got busted?

Why did Brady destroy his phone on tje say he was to be interviewed by Wells?

 

Good luck.

I didn't want particular answers. Why? Because there was no scenario in which your claims make sense.

 

All you can do is say the following. "I know I don't make sense and am obviously a foo in this instance, but I still think he cheated."... And I'm fine with that. Hell, you may be right. I'm just the type that needs to see some real evidence. But the evidence isn't there, and a lot of the circumstantial information that is being used seems to be based on lies. Anyone that steps back and looks at it logically and without biased emotion realizes that. That's not you though, and that's ok.

[NewbieJr 541]

I didn't want particular answers. Why? Because there was no scenario in which your claims make sense.

 

All you can do is say the following. "I know I don't make sense and am obviously a foo in this instance, but I still think he cheated."... And I'm fine with that. Hell, you may be right. I'm just the type that needs to see some real evidence. But the evidence isn't there, and a lot of the circumstantial information that is being used seems to be based on lies. Anyone that steps back and looks at it logically and without biased emotion realizes that. That's not you though, and that's ok.

let me get this straight...no answers to my questions?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Newbs is becoming unhinged

[Sho Nuff 720]

Newbs is becoming unhinged

And still sounds more sane than the pats fans here.

[NewbieJr 541]

Newbs is becoming unhinged

hahaha. Cbfagcoln spent two days asking about 100 questions trying desperately to force answers that would make his point. I ask 3 or 4 and he runs away like sissy. I love the Geek Club.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I don't understand why everyone can't just see it for what it is: The Patriots cheated, like they are known to do, and the NFL at least steered the investigation to the outcome they believed confirmed what they thought. The NFL took a sloppy road to the truth. No angels in this case. The problem is that the Patriots are being punished, and Goodell isn't. He has confirmed all the negative things people thought about him. When SI had him on the cover a few years ago with the title "The Enforcer", I think he thought he had to live up to that, even though he probably approved of the cover. The guy is an ego maniac.

[NewbieJr 541]

I don't understand why everyone can't just see it for what it is: The Patriots cheated, like they are known to do, and the NFL at least steered the investigation to the outcome they believed confirmed what they thought. The NFL took a sloppy road to the truth. No angels in this case. The problem is that the Patriots are being punished, and Goodell isn't. He has confirmed all the negative things people thought about him. When SI had him on the cover a few years ago with the title "The Enforcer", I think he thought he had to live up to that, even though he probably approved of the cover. The guy is an ego maniac.

yup. Goodell's not my favorite person either. And I saud all along that I thought this penalty was a bit too harsh. But for Pats fans to somehow try to use his shortcomings to negate the fact that Brady cheated, is comical.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

You played an aloof jerk off for two days.

Good luck.

You are an aloof jerk every day.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I don't understand why everyone can't just see it for what it is: The Patriots cheated, like they are known to do, and the NFL at least steered the investigation to the outcome they believed confirmed what they thought. The NFL took a sloppy road to the truth. No angels in this case. The problem is that the Patriots are being punished, and Goodell isn't. He has confirmed all the negative things people thought about him. When SI had him on the cover a few years ago with the title "The Enforcer", I think he thought he had to live up to that, even though he probably approved of the cover. The guy is an ego maniac.

Would be up to the owners to punish him. And they won't because they like him.

 

Most agree with you...most pats fans can't admit it though.

[cbfalcon 825]

Oh, if you press me on it, I slightly lean towards Brady being likely to have cheated.

 

But I'm one of those guys that expects more out of my police, judges, etc. Higher standard and all. A car theif can annoy me and inconvenience me. A corrupt cop and judge can decide to ruin my life and I'll have no recourse really. They scare me much worse.

 

Goodell and the league decided the outcome ahead of time, and have been caught in several lies in this case. So just due to the way I feel about these things, it almost doesn't matter to me if Brady was guilty. What if the next guy they decide to go after and lie to convict isn't? I'd rather 5 guilty guys go free than 5 innocent guys be put to death.

 

 

There are those that think the ends justify the means. I'm not that guy.

[NewbieJr 541]

Oh, if you press me on it, I slightly lean towards Brady being likely to have cheated.

 

Thank you. See? We agree after all.

And I've never said the investigation was done well. Or that Goodell is great.

 

The important thing is that justice is served. That cheaters get penalized.

They can go back and review and improve the process later. I felt the same when Ryan Braun got away with cheating because of the way fed ex handled his urine sample. That means it's ok her juiced? Come on

[Sho Nuff 720]

Oh, if you press me on it, I slightly lean towards Brady being likely to have cheated.

 

But I'm one of those guys that expects more out of my police, judges, etc. Higher standard and all. A car theif can annoy me and inconvenience me. A corrupt cop and judge can decide to ruin my life and I'll have no recourse really. They scare me much worse.

 

Goodell and the league decided the outcome ahead of time, and have been caught in several lies in this case. So just due to the way I feel about these things, it almost doesn't matter to me if Brady was guilty. What if the next guy they decide to go after and lie to convict isn't? I'd rather 5 guilty guys go free than 5 innocent guys be put to death.

 

 

There are those that think the ends justify the means. I'm not that guy.

 

Very telling.

Have any innocent guys that have been "convicted" by Goodell?

[Herbivore 1,134]

Why didn't Brady want to cooperate?

Why was the Pat's ball boy nicknamed The Deflator?

After ZERO previous contact, why did Brady call the Deflator six times for a total of 60 minutes in the 24 hours after he got busted?

Why did Brady destroy his phone on tje say he was to be interviewed by Wells?

 

I don't know if he didn't cooperate. What do you mean by that? to me it seems you mean, you would like him to say I am cheater I lay before the court.

Deflator - doesn't look good, but could mean a few different things..not enough to point to 4 game suspension.

Deflator contact - I don't understand why anyone would count this as an issue without having complete bias. Brady is accused of having the balls manipulated by this guy. He then calls the guy and says what's the deal. To people that have already branded Brady guilty, they say this getting their story straight.

Phone - either the Wells/the league was going to get the phone or not. I think its pretty clear, he was not going to give up the phone. I don't believe for one second anyone in his position would give up the phone if they did not have to. After that, it is meaningless if/when he destroyed it/claimed it was broken or whatever.

 

end of the day..you and Shohump have called the pats cheatriots for years. You would like that to be true. As a Pats fan, I want Brady to play cause he is one of the best ever, and we only have a few years left to watch the greatness. The current penalty doesn't line up with past penalties.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

It's not meaningless why he destroyed the phone. They have the Deflators texts to Brady. What if Brady deleted the texts from the deflator right away, the night he texted with him? Would that not look awkward, that he deleted those texts immediately? Maybe Brady didn't want them to see that. There are so many reasons why Brady would destroy that phone, and not one of them help his cause.

[mighty_thor 115]

It's not meaningless why he destroyed the phone. They have the Deflators texts to Brady. What if Brady deleted the texts from the deflator right away, the night he texted with him? Would that not look awkward, that he deleted those texts immediately? Maybe Brady didn't want them to see that. There are so many reasons why Brady would destroy that phone, and not one of them help his cause.

The guy they called the deflator never texted Brady.

[cbfalcon 825]

The important thing is that justice is served. That cheaters get penalized.

They can go back and review and improve the process later.

I can't tell you how much I disagree.

 

Public opinion, which can easily be manipulated, should not decide someone's fate...actual evidence should decide cases.

 

But in the end, Goodell is going to lose a lot of power and credibility here...with some luck, he will even lose his job. So that's a positive.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

Very telling.

Have any innocent guys that have been "convicted" by Goodell?

Possibly Brady.

 

Just because i lean towards guilt doesn't mean I see anywhere close to enough evidence to put much money on it.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

The guy they called the deflator never texted Brady.

Maybe not. But I guess we won't be finding out. He texted one of those lackeys.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

 

I don't know if he didn't cooperate. What do you mean by that? to me it seems you mean, you would like him to say I am cheater I lay before the court.

Deflator - doesn't look good, but could mean a few different things..not enough to point to 4 game suspension.

Deflator contact - I don't understand why anyone would count this as an issue without having complete bias. Brady is accused of having the balls manipulated by this guy. He then calls the guy and says what's the deal. To people that have already branded Brady guilty, they say this getting their story straight.

Phone - either the Wells/the league was going to get the phone or not. I think its pretty clear, he was not going to give up the phone. I don't believe for one second anyone in his position would give up the phone if they did not have to. After that, it is meaningless if/when he destroyed it/claimed it was broken or whatever.

 

end of the day..you and Shohump have called the pats cheatriots for years. You would like that to be true. As a Pats fan, I want Brady to play cause he is one of the best ever, and we only have a few years left to watch the greatness. The current penalty doesn't line up with past penalties.

Brady didn't even call the Deflator. He called the Deflator's boss. Right? An important distinction

[Reality 3,121]

"The Deflator", just let it sink in that someone was actually called that.

[NewbieJr 541]

"The Deflator", just let it sink in that someone was actually called that.

they love dancing around that little tidbit. Lol. That's all I needed to know.

[Djgb13 2,339]

The fact that the nickname is pretty much the only evidence you have is what's disturbing

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Dude called himself the Deflator...little different than an actual nickname other people use and acknowledge

[wiffleball 4,790]

Gpod Lord. ....

[TD Ryan2 316]

;-)

Newbie... Sho... Magnificent... wow, the Pats are some deep rooted stuff with you.

They cheated!!!! They cheated!!!

 

They are going to win another SuperBowl. And then Brady is going to retire and Garoppolo is gonna be "Steve Young" to Brady's "Montana", Belichick, NE, Brady, Kraft labeled The Greatest dynasty ever, in any sport - and you'll be spitting you dentures at your grandchildren over cameras and PSIs.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

;-)

Newbie... Sho... Magnificent... wow, the Pats are some deep rooted stuff with you.

They cheated!!!! They cheated!!!

 

They are going to win another SuperBowl. And then Brady is going to retire and Garoppolo is gonna be "Steve Young" to Brady's "Montana", Belichick, NE, Brady, Kraft labeled The Greatest dynasty ever, in any sport - and you'll be spitting you dentures at your grandchildren over cameras and PSIs.

Why would the Pats be in my head? I'm a Giants fan. The Pats never did anything to them. I rooted for the Pats in the SB last year and was glad they won. But they are cheaters, and you can't handle that. Just admit it and say you don't care,

[Sho Nuff 720]

The fact that the nickname is pretty much the only evidence you have is what's disturbing

 

Only if you ignore everything else (even if circumstantial).

[Sho Nuff 720]

;-)

Newbie... Sho... Magnificent... wow, the Pats are some deep rooted stuff with you.

They cheated!!!! They cheated!!!

 

They are going to win another SuperBowl. And then Brady is going to retire and Garoppolo is gonna be "Steve Young" to Brady's "Montana", Belichick, NE, Brady, Kraft labeled The Greatest dynasty ever, in any sport - and you'll be spitting you dentures at your grandchildren over cameras and PSIs.

 

Link to me saying "They cheated!!!! They Cheated!!!!"

I have rarely, if ever even used cheated in this.

 

I doubt they win the SB again this year. Not because they aren't necessarily good enough...just that its very hard to do.

Garoppolo is more likely be be complete crap than anything close to Steve Young.

 

Greatest dynasty ever in any sport? Only to blind Pats fans.

 

You need to get a grip. Its not our fault that your team has skirted the rules and gotten busted for it.

[NewbieJr 541]

;-)

Newbie... Sho... Magnificent... wow, the Pats are some deep rooted stuff with you.

They cheated!!!! They cheated!!!

 

They are going to win another SuperBowl. And then Brady is going to retire and Garoppolo is gonna be "Steve Young" to Brady's "Montana", Belichick, NE, Brady, Kraft labeled The Greatest dynasty ever, in any sport - and you'll be spitting you dentures at your grandchildren over cameras and PSIs.

greatest dynasty ever?? They haven't even won one super bowl without cheating. Sorry. I'm sure it sucks for you. Try rooting for a team that doesn't cheat. It might take longer to be on top, but it will be legit. This patriot regime is shady and slimy. That's why they're hated.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Greatest dynasty ever? They just went ten years between titles. You're thinking of the New York Yankees.

[redtodd 7]

greatest dynasty ever?? They haven't even won one super bowl without cheating. Sorry. I'm sure it sucks for you. Try rooting for a team that doesn't cheat. It might take longer to be on top, but it will be legit. This patriot regime is shady and slimy. That's why they're hated.

 

The balls in the last Super Bowl were of the right PSI (which was covered quite a bit during the broadcast). How'd that turn out?

 

4 Passing TD's against the #1 defense in the league.

 

I'm glad they stopped them from that whole cheating thing.