IGotWorms 4,058 Posted April 19, 2016 You have been so disingenuous about this issue that it's unbelievable. You're hurting your personal brand. This is not at all what the law was. It simply stated that trans people could use the bathroom of their choice. It didn't require business to take any action or build new bathrooms or anything like that. In fact, it forced them to not do anything. Why are you so committed to misrepresenting it? He does this sometimes and I don't get it. Just makes him look like maybe a liar with little credibility Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted April 19, 2016 Time has a funny way of changing what we thought was common sense into just being an asshhole. History is funny that way But when 70% of all violent crimes committed against people who did not know their assailant are of one sex and race, which accounts for 6% of the population, and you cannot talk about it you should be able to figure out something is wrong. Political correctness is deception in a fancy wrapper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 19, 2016 Can a woman who is Trans be a gay dude? Look like a man, dress like a man, act like a man, but Fock dudes. Is that a thing? Sure you can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 19, 2016 If that's the case what about the comfort levels of the women/men in the restrooms they are around? If I had a daughter I'd be uncomfortable as hell if a dude walked into the bathroom right behind my daughter. Would you feel comfortable if a gay male walked into the bathroom behind your son? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 597 Posted April 19, 2016 Would you feel comfortable if a gay male walked into the bathroom behind your son? That happens everyday in every bathroom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted April 19, 2016 Would you feel comfortable if a gay male walked into the bathroom behind your son? Yes I would. Because he's got a d1ck so his biological right is to use the men's restroom. Sorry Pen but your questioning is off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 19, 2016 Nobody really gave a rats ass until then and there was no state law about it until Charlotte made it an issue and made it a "thing". If you oppose the premise of the law, wouldn't this be the time to make it an issue? Is it possible that this law raised awareness to the issue and some of the "hypocrites" will expand the businesses/locales they boycott as time goes by? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted April 19, 2016 Would you feel comfortable if a gay male walked into the bathroom behind your son? Gays are considered pedophiles around these parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 19, 2016 ]Thankfully as a kid, I grew up in a time/place with no creepy gays around, let alone trannies, and this wasn't an issue. Now that I'm the dad of the prettiest girl in the school I'd like to keep it that way, and do -I just read about what you are enduring but it's degrees of separation as I don't experience it since there remains no tolerance for perverts in the girls' rooms here- but apparently I have to remain living in an oppressive totallitarian country for that now. Ah, trade offs. I don't think the trannies or gays are the problem for young girls. Heterosexual males are, and China isn't exactly a world leader in limiting or punishing sex crimes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 19, 2016 He does this sometimes and I don't get it. Just makes him look like maybe a liar with little credibility He assumes everyone is so stupid they can't see through his schtick. And some people are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 19, 2016 If you oppose the premise of the law, wouldn't this be the time to make it an issue? Is it possible that this law raised awareness to the issue and some of the "hypocrites" will expand the businesses/locales they boycott as time goes by?I don't know where I personally stand on which restroom, locker room or shower a Transgender person should go too. It's a weird issue to me and I can appreciate both arguments. On one side, it's important to try and understand everyone and be sensitive to their "rights". On the other hand it's common sense that places like rest rooms, showers and locker rooms are separated for a reason by gender (what's under the hood). As well as things like sports leagues. Lebronette James playing in the WNBA just seems wrong on multiple levels. My point of contention all along is how this HB2 law was propositioned by the media. And thus how companies and rock bands got on this uber hyperbole and fake outrage bandwagon turning this into something bigger than it is. North Carolina has state anti-discrimination laws that go beyond the Federal laws. We are one of only 24 states that added Ghey and Transgenders to the "protected" classes of minorities. And many, many other states have laws that say cities cannot make up their own discrimination laws or change minimum wages that are set by the state. So all this "outrage" is media driven. PayPal does business in Saudia Arabia but has the nerve to blackball NC over LBGT rights? Pearl Jam plays Virginia, who has it's own issues with Transgenders and locker rooms, yet pulls from NC? The NCAA has its Final Four in Houston yet that city and state had less LGBT protection than NC and they are threatening pulling games? It's maddening. If you and I or politicians and lawmakers want to discuss this complex issue of balancing Transgenders and privacy as well as where local and states superseding one another in that process....then fine. It's a good discussion. But for the love of the baby Jesus let's stop with the hypocrisy from folks based on media driven hype. Let's be honest instead of jumping on fake outrage bandwagons. This law and issue has snowballed into something over the top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted April 19, 2016 I don't know where I personally stand on which restroom, locker room or shower a Transgender person should go too. It's a weird issue to me and I can appreciate both arguments. On one side, it's important to try and understand everyone and be sensitive to their "rights". On the other hand it's common sense that places like rest rooms, showers and locker rooms are separated for a reason by gender (what's under the hood). As well as things like sports leagues. Lebronette James playing in the WNBA just seems wrong on multiple levels. My point of contention all along is how this HB2 law was propositioned by the media. And thus how companies and rock bands got in this uber hyperbole and fake outrage bandwagon turning this into something bigger than it is. North Carolina has state anti-discrimination laws that go beyond the Federal laws. We are one of only 24 states that added Ghey and Transgenders to the "protected" classes of minorities. And many, many other states have laws that say cities cannot make up their own discrimination laws or change minimum wages that are set by the state. So all this "outrage" is media driven. PayPal does business in Saudia Arabia but has the nerve to blackball NC over LBGT rights? Pearl Jam plays Virginia, who has it's own issues with Transgenders and locker rooms, yet pulls from NC? The NCAA has its Final Four in Houston yet that city and state had less LGBT protection than NC and they are threatening pulling games? It's maddening. If you and I or politicians and lawmakers want to discuss this complex issue of balancing Transgenders and privacy as well as where local and states superseding one another in that process....then fine. It's a good discussion. But for the love of the baby Jesus let's stop with the hypocrisy from folks based on media driven hype. Let's be honest instead of jumping in fake outrage bandwagons. This law and issue has snowballed into something over the top. The thing is at what point is a Trans persons rights more important than a normal gender persons rights? Because the normal genders have rights too and they wouldn't want a man in the shower with them. Trans or not. When does the Trans persons rights supersede their rights? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted April 20, 2016 The thing is at what point is a Trans persons rights more important than a normal gender persons rights? Because the normal genders have rights too and they wouldn't want a man in the shower with them. Trans or not. When does the Trans persons rights supersede their rights?Apparently, always. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 20, 2016 Yes I would. Because he's got a d1ck so his biological right is to use the men's restroom. Sorry Pen but your questioning is off What about a male pedophile? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted April 20, 2016 What about a male pedophile? Sorry you're not gonna win this one. If it's a man then there's nothing you can do about him going into the men's restroom. If you're that worried you can follow him in. You can't do that in the females restroom. Keep the d1cks in one restroom and the vaginas in the other. It's a simple concept that people seem to not understand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 20, 2016 Sorry you're not gonna win this one. If it's a man then there's nothing you can do about him going into the men's restroom. If you're that worried you can follow him in. You can't do that in the females restroom. Keep the d1cks in one restroom and the vaginas in the other. It's a simple concept that people seem to not understand There is no "winning", as the topic is ludicrous. There are already transgenders going into the "wrong" restrooms, but short of genital inspection on admission, you'll never know it. Furthermore, the trannies have no interest in ogling little girls; they just want to take a dump in peace. They aren't looking for attention or faking it so they can get their pedophilia on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted April 20, 2016 or faking it so they can get their pedophilia on. I'm gonna stop you right there. Because that is where you are wrong. All it takes is the fact that a guy can go in a girls restroom that will let a pedophile or pervert flourish by going in there and proclaiming he is transgender. I'm sorry but I'm not willing to let that happen. Because it WILL. That's how humans work. They are greedy creatures who want to satisfy their sexual appetites. So you won't ever hear me agree with your focked up view that it's ok for a dude to go in the women's restroom. I feel bad for the transgender people but there are certain lines that shouldn't be crossed. These are one of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 20, 2016 I'm gonna stop you right there. Because that is where you are wrong. All it takes is the fact that a guy can go in a girls restroom that will let a pedophile or pervert flourish by going in there and proclaiming he is transgender. I'm sorry but I'm not willing to let that happen. Because it WILL. That's how humans work. They are greedy creatures who want to satisfy their sexual appetites. So you won't ever hear me agree with your focked up view that it's ok for a dude to go in the women's restroom. I feel bad for the transgender people but there are certain lines that shouldn't be crossed. These are one of them What is stopping them now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted April 20, 2016 I'm gonna stop you right there. Because that is where you are wrong. All it takes is the fact that a guy can go in a girls restroom that will let a pedophile or pervert flourish by going in there and proclaiming he is transgender. I'm sorry but I'm not willing to let that happen. Because it WILL. That's how humans work. They are greedy creatures who want to satisfy their sexual appetites. So you won't ever hear me agree with your focked up view that it's ok for a dude to go in the women's restroom. I feel bad for the transgender people but there are certain lines that shouldn't be crossed. These are one of them Why would a male pedophile go into a women's bathroom when it'd be easier to just go into the men's? A transgender who goes into a men's bathroom is gonna have to sit down to pee. Same goes for the transgender going into the women's room. We already have voyeurs and exhibitionists, so allowing transgenders to use a different bathroom isn't really creating a new problem. And the nature of transgenders makes it exceedingly unlikely little girls will see a dong and little boys a slit. Now, will some people take advantage? Yep, probably. It is like that with everything. Shop online? Your identity could be stolen. Sign up for a product or service and your personal information can be shared with others. There are always unintended consequences, but it doesn't mean we don't do those things. There are penalties for misconduct. And if it becomes a huge problem, then we should reassess the issue in that light. The reason transgenders aren't allowed to use the bathroom of their choice is people see them as icky freaks and don't empathize with them. All the fear mongering coming down that slippery slope is propelled by a lack of humanity. Y'all don't believe in a continuum of human experience. You believe in the stale dichotomies promoted by a defunct philosophy. Good luck with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,913 Posted April 20, 2016 I find it funny that the main concern is a person born as a man goes through the entire process of changing genders has working lady parts and looks like a woman and your concern is that in the bathroom when she has to take a piss she's going to suddenly want to screw a little girl who just happens to come into the bathroom without a parent? Holy crap is that a level of paranoia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted April 20, 2016 I think you guys are failing to see it so I'll make it simple. Transgender people are allowed in restrooms. They could look just like you as a man but tell people they identify as a woman so they can gain access to the women's restroom. There they can look at women all they want or even rape them if they so choose. They haven't changed a thing about themselves but have just said "oh I identify as a woman". Sayin that they are allowed access. Now is this what is going to happen all the time? No. Will this happen? Yes. It's not about if it will or won't happen. It's about when. Sorry but id rather not give the perverts the freedom to do that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,913 Posted April 20, 2016 I think you guys are failing to see it so I'll make it simple. Transgender people are allowed in restrooms. They could look just like you as a man but tell people they identify as a woman so they can gain access to the women's restroom. There they can look at women all they want or even rape them if they so choose. They haven't changed a thing about themselves but have just said "oh I identify as a woman". Sayin that they are allowed access. Now is this what is going to happen all the time? No. Will this happen? Yes. It's not about if it will or won't happen. It's about when. Sorry but id rather not give the perverts the freedom to do that I think its a reach to say this will suddenly start happening, like pervs are sitting around thinking "This is our lucky day!"....not to mention that rapes in bathrooms have and will occur whether this law is in place or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted April 20, 2016 I think its a reach to say this will suddenly start happening, like pervs are sitting around thinking "This is our lucky day!"....not to mention that rapes in bathrooms have and will occur whether this law is in place or not.Didn't say it would just start happening left and right. But it opens the doors for it. Just make things simple and keep them how they were. Born a man? We have a restroom for you over here. Born a woman? Yours is right over here. Not this "I was born with a d1ck but I identify as a woman so I demand to use the woman's restrooms so I won't feel threatened". No you can use the men's restroom or you can use the family restroom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,430 Posted April 20, 2016 Anyone who thinks that a teenage boy who declares he's a girl should be sharing a locker room or a bathroom with teenage girls in school is a gigantic a-hole. I would like to smack anyone who says that's a good idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 20, 2016 The reason transgenders aren't allowed to use the bathroom of their choice is people see them as icky freaks and don't empathize with them. All the fear mongering coming down that slippery slope is propelled by a lack of humanity. Y'all don't believe in a continuum of human experience. You believe in the stale dichotomies promoted by a defunct philosophy. Good luck with that. This guy gets it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 20, 2016 I think its a reach to say this will suddenly start happening, like pervs are sitting around thinking "This is our lucky day!"....not to mention that rapes in bathrooms have and will occur whether this law is in place or not. It probably won't happen at all. Regardless, there is nothing preventing a rapist from dressing up like a woman and sauntering into the restroom now. The idea that potential male sex offenders gain anything from transgender tolerance is rooted in ignorance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,430 Posted April 20, 2016 It probably won't happen at all. Regardless, there is nothing preventing a rapist from dressing up like a woman and sauntering into the restroom now. The idea that potential male sex offenders gain anything from transgender tolerance is rooted in ignorance. I'm an ignorant fock then, because I think 13 year old girls are entitled to some degree of privacy and decorum. But let's make sure the delicate .001 pct of students don't feel uncomfortable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,339 Posted April 20, 2016 I'm an ignorant fock then, because I think 13 year old girls are entitled to some degree of privacy and decorum. But let's make sure the delicate .001 pct of students don't feel uncomfortable. Because their rights are more important than the majority's rights 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,430 Posted April 20, 2016 Because their rights are more important than the majority's rights The overwhelming majority's right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted April 20, 2016 2016 - the year common sense turned into bigotry. it started well before 2016, but solid point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,425 Posted April 20, 2016 I guess we know which geeks are walking around with their dongs out in the mens room. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 20, 2016 I guess we know which geeks are walking around with their dongs out in the mens room. I do agree people are thinking about and talking about this topic waaaaayyy to much. It's borderline idiotic. Why does there need to be any kind of ordinance at all saying that which restroom a transgender must use one way or another? That's what started all this.....If I was king for a day I'd repeal the HB2 law that was an over reaction to the stupid and over-reaching Charlotte City Law that mandated what private business must do with restrooms and repeal that too at the same time and go back to people just peeing and minding their own business and nobody really caring. This NC issue was one over reaction at the city level leading to another over reaction at the state level. Scratch them both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
porkbutt 893 Posted April 20, 2016 Furthermore, the trannies have no interest in ogling little girls; they just want to take a dump in peace. They aren't looking for attention or faking it so they can get their pedophilia on. how the fock do you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,425 Posted April 20, 2016 I do agree people are thinking about and talking about this topic waaaaayyy to much. It's borderline idiotic. Why does there need to be any kind of ordinance at all saying that which restroom a transgender must use one way or another? That's what started all this.....If I was king for a day I'd repeal the HB2 law that was an over reaction to the stupid and over-reaching Charlotte City Law that mandated what private business must do with restrooms and repeal that too at the same time and go back to people just peeing and minding their own business and nobody really caring. This NC issue was one over reaction at the city level leading to another over reaction at the state level. Scratch them both. I wouldn't necessarily call the Charlotte ordinance an overreach. Trannies gotta go somewhere. In the absence of an ordinance, what stops a business from insisting that a tranny in a dress has to go in the mens room or vice versa? I think it would be a hell of a lot more disruptive to see somebody who presents or looks like a dude in the girls room, don't you? So the ordinance gave some clarity on the issue. I thought we Republicans believed in lawmaking at the local level? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted April 20, 2016 If I was king for a day I'd repeal the HB2 law that was an over reaction to the stupid and over-reaching Charlotte City Law that mandated what private business must do with restrooms Again, this is not was the law stipulated. It stated that transgender people can choose which restroom to use. Nothing at all about anything businesses must do. You are a trainwreck on this issue. You focking live there and still don't understand it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted April 20, 2016 Would you feel comfortable if a gay male walked into the bathroom behind your son? I would fee more comfortable with it than the woman would feel - who was doing her business with a guy, sporting a hawg, in her bathroom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,945 Posted April 20, 2016 Settle down people. Letting trannies piss where they want isn't gonna lead to longer lines at the glory hole. The potential for sexual tension is already present in every restroom and locker room in the country. Gay guys piss next to straight guys all the time. Lesbos shower and dress around straight girls too. Going forward, all new restrooms and showers at public facilities should be built with stalls. This should have been done from the beginning. Existing facilities are grandfathered in until it's time to remodel. Private businesses can follow suit. All t!ts, arses, c0cks, and slits shall remain covered until your inside the stall. Let's move on with life now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,797 Posted April 20, 2016 I don't understand why this is a issue worth dedicating resources to. Just let people go to the bathroom and go about their lives Yep. We don't need laws for this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,588 Posted April 20, 2016 Not even going to read the OP. No idea as to the subject either. the answer is yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted April 20, 2016 It probably won't happen at all. Regardless, there is nothing preventing a rapist from dressing up like a woman and sauntering into the restroom now. The idea that potential male sex offenders gain anything from transgender tolerance is rooted in ignorance. Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of rapes and child molestation are perpetrated by someone known to the victim. The incidence of transgendered people committing assaults on strangers in bathrooms and lockers rooms is virtually nil. I asked these questions before to the folks crying that their young girls would be exposed to male genitalia in the locker room and/or bathroom: Who is letting their young children into gym locker rooms alone in the first place? Or public restrooms, for that matter? Does anyone know a single person that has encountered someone of the opposite sex showering in a locker room? I do not know one single person who has had that experience. As for high school kids and the transgender issue, how many male students are now going to claim to be transgendered who are not in order to gain access to the girls locker room? My guess would be zero. As for the true transgendered kids, how many of them are showering in the locker room of their choice? Do kids even shower after gym class anymore? I didn't when I was in high school, and that was over 30 years ago. So likely there is no issue there, either. The bottom line is that transgendered people have been using the restrooms of their choice for a long time with no issue. Once Bruce became Caitlyn and mouth breathers suddenly realized that a man might be peeing in a women's rest room, they suddenly worry about THE CHILDREN!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites