Updated: Josh Gordon To Be Reinstated - 4 Game Suspension

[weepaws 3,191]

More of the same . Let's get that ADP up .

[ralphster 274]

He's a hold in dynasty if yer rebuilding or contending, but I have a rebuilding team and took what should be a late 17 first for him in one league.

 

[BobSanders_33 127]

Fun fact: In Josh Gordon's last 8 games he had topped 100 yards once and scored one TD.

[stonewall 647]

Fun fact: In Josh Gordon's last 8 games he had topped 100 yards once and scored one TD.

 

Now, now......let's not let facts get in the way of fantasies.

[weepaws 3,191]

Come on we don't need to post anything like that about the great J Gordon .

 

And with that stud Qb in RG triple tossing all that talent the ball there is no question J Gordon should be a great pick up .

[gpann101 32]

Over who?

keep 3 between ODB,RAWLS,AJAYI,CJANDERSON,DeVante Parker,and now Flash. Lost Beast Mode and Brady on 4 Game sus as well. Wayyy early but not lovin anyone but Beckham!

[weepaws 3,191]

I like Rawls a lot especially if he is ready to roll week one and I like Parker .

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Fun fact: In Josh Gordon's last 8 games he had topped 100 yards once and scored one TD.

Hype train derailed

[Frozenbeernuts 2,250]

Fun fact: In Josh Gordon's last 8 games he had topped 100 yards once and scored one TD.

Yep that definitely sounds like the greatest player in the history of football

[Crystal Meth Tweekers 26]

8th round or later maybe I roll the dice. Too much good talent to me in rounds 6-7.

[cousinal111 57]

Fun fact: In Josh Gordon's last 8 games he had topped 100 yards once and scored one TD.

Fact: The 8 games before that he had 53 catches for 1,100 yards and 6 TD's. That would include 6 100 yard games, 2 of which went for over 230 yards.

[R8RMick 242]

keep 3 between ODB,RAWLS,AJAYI,CJANDERSON,DeVante Parker,and now Flash. Lost Beast Mode and Brady on 4 Game sus as well. Wayyy early but not lovin anyone but Beckham!

Don't sleep on Devante Parker, kid has mad skills and may finally be healthy. What's holding him back is the Miami offense ie. Tannehill. But Gordon proved great talent can overcome.

[giraldi02 474]

Don't sleep on Devante Parker, kid has mad skills and may finally be healthy. What's holding him back is the Miami offense ie. Tannehill. But Gordon proved great talent can overcome.

 

Adam Gase effect will be real in South Beach

[R8RMick 242]

 

Adam Gase effect will be real in South Beach

I hear you, and like what he's done. But can Gase play QB? Tannehill seems like a bigger, younger version of Alex Smith.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,250]

I hear you, and like what he's done. But can Gase play QB? Tannehill seems like a bigger, younger version of Alex Smith.

I will take Alex Smith

[R8RMick 242]

I will take Alex Smith

Ha ha ha point taken. What's Smith, like the QB17 in fantasy? At best? I do know that two years ago he was the kiss of death for KC WRs. Not one of them caught a TD pass.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,250]

Ha ha ha point taken. What's Smith, like the QB17 in fantasy? At best? I do know that two years ago he was the kiss of death for KC WRs. Not one of them caught a TD pass.

I meant more for real life qbing. Fantasy wise they are very close in my eyes.

[giraldi02 474]

I hear you, and like what he's done. But can Gase play QB? Tannehill seems like a bigger, younger version of Alex Smith.

 

Cutler isn't that revered and he had one of his best statistical seasons last year. And that's even with Alshon being on the shelf half the year.

 

The coaching staff in Miami has long been the bane in a fantasy owner's existence. Yeah the talent on the field can't be lacking, but at the current cost of a lot of these guys in Miami, I'll nibble.

[Matt Mueller 146]

One of my favorite posts I've ever made.

 

Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:12 pm

 

 

I posted a comment about Garcon in a trade thread and it got me thinking a bit about players who may have had a unique set of circumstances in 2013 who possibly over produced...and who could potentially fall back to earth some.

The two I'll bring up are Garcon and Gordon.

First my comment on Garcon:

Garcon led the league with 182 targets. Andre was 2nd with 181 and as a point of reference D. Thomas was 12th with 142.

http://fftoday.com/stats/playerstats.ph ... order=DESC

In the Kubiak-Shanny type of system Garcon essentially played Johnson's role.

Jordan Reed missed a lot of time and the redskins don't really have an established #2 WR.

RG3 wasn't himself as a runner last year...he was forced to pass more both from a scheme standpoint but also from a health-explosion standpoint.

Point being Garcon was kind of in a perfect storm.

Now moving forward I think the risk, from a targets standpoint, is that Shannys out, Reed is supposed to be back and RG3's knee has had another year to gain stability and if I'm playing Redskins front office I'm trying to add talent at WR...but that's speculation.

I love Garcon as a player but I think he could very well fall back some from being 1st in the league in targets.


My 2nd player is Josh Gordon. I don't have as much commentary on him but in my opinion Cleveland was shopping him last year. He got targeted on a ton of deep balls late in games and as much as I think that was the Browns trying to constantly come back in games...I think there was a concerted effort to feature Gordon for a trade.

Now he's certainly going to be a 'featured' player in the offense moving forward...but in the back of my mind I'm taking his total production with a bit of an * simply b/c that was my view on the situation.

My opinion on Garcon is more thought out. My opinion on Gordon more a gut feeling.


You guys agree-disagree with any of this?

Have any players you want to nominate?

Could be guys who didn't produce...and who may in 2014...instead of me looking at guys who possibly 'over produced.'

Any thoughts appreciated.

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

Best in the league? Uhhh no. Top 3 round? That's just wayyy too much risk in dynasty. Tons of studs still left in the third.

 

I said most talented... and he is. He also absolutely has the ability to be the best, as you clearly saw that in 2013. Will he reach that again? I don't know, it's up to him, but the talent is there.

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

Fact: The 8 games before that he had 53 catches for 1,100 yards and 6 TD's. That would include 6 100 yard games, 2 of which went for over 230 yards.

 

Now now, let's not poo poo the haters with trivial stats.

 

Funny... Todd Gurley averaged 65 yards per game in his last 8 games, breaking 100 yards only once. In those 8 games, he amassed 11 catches for 120 yards... and people are talking about taking him top 5. Fantasy-wise, he averaged 14.5 ppg in that time frame. The games the haters are bashing Gordon for, he had 40 receptions for 549 yards and 1 TD...averaging 12.6 ppg... and they're staying away. Interesting. Especially since Gordon has a higher ceiling.

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

One of my favorite posts I've ever made.

 

Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:12 pm

 

 

I posted a comment about Garcon in a trade thread and it got me thinking a bit about players who may have had a unique set of circumstances in 2013 who possibly over produced...and who could potentially fall back to earth some.

 

The two I'll bring up are Garcon and Gordon.

 

First my comment on Garcon:

 

Garcon led the league with 182 targets. Andre was 2nd with 181 and as a point of reference D. Thomas was 12th with 142.

 

http://fftoday.com/stats/playerstats.ph ... order=DESC

 

In the Kubiak-Shanny type of system Garcon essentially played Johnson's role.

 

Jordan Reed missed a lot of time and the redskins don't really have an established #2 WR.

 

RG3 wasn't himself as a runner last year...he was forced to pass more both from a scheme standpoint but also from a health-explosion standpoint.

 

Point being Garcon was kind of in a perfect storm.

 

Now moving forward I think the risk, from a targets standpoint, is that Shannys out, Reed is supposed to be back and RG3's knee has had another year to gain stability and if I'm playing Redskins front office I'm trying to add talent at WR...but that's speculation.

 

I love Garcon as a player but I think he could very well fall back some from being 1st in the league in targets.

 

 

My 2nd player is Josh Gordon. I don't have as much commentary on him but in my opinion Cleveland was shopping him last year. He got targeted on a ton of deep balls late in games and as much as I think that was the Browns trying to constantly come back in games...I think there was a concerted effort to feature Gordon for a trade.

 

Now he's certainly going to be a 'featured' player in the offense moving forward...but in the back of my mind I'm taking his total production with a bit of an * simply b/c that was my view on the situation.

 

My opinion on Garcon is more thought out. My opinion on Gordon more a gut feeling.

 

 

You guys agree-disagree with any of this?

 

Have any players you want to nominate?

 

Could be guys who didn't produce...and who may in 2014...instead of me looking at guys who possibly 'over produced.'

 

Any thoughts appreciated.

 

Had Gordon been a 4th or 5th round pick without question marks, I'd agree with you. He had red flags in college and the Browns still took him 33 overall. They did that because they thought he could play... and they were right. They tried to trade him because they felt he was a train wreck waiting to happen... and they were right there too. He didn't over-produce from overly feeding him the ball, he produced because he is that good.

[Vikings4ever 550]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/26/josh-gordon-returns-to-browns-lands-on-nfi-with-quad-injury/

 

Gordon was allowed to be in the team’s facility for the first time in more than a year, and a physical revealed a quad injury. The Browns open camp on Friday, but the team’s release said Gordon was injured “while working out on his own this summer” and that Gordon is “expected to be out at least a couple of weeks.”

 

Gordon is allowed to participate in training camp and the preseason but will be suspended for the first four games of 2016 as part of his conditional reinstatement, which the NFL announced Monday.

[giraldi02 474]

We'll see how dedicated he is when he does come back. Needs to spend a bunch of time in that doctors office with a playbook in hand all day. He blows it again, and he's done.

[Maulers1973 117]

The good, he's only 25. The bad, he's one bad decision away from being out of the league for who knows how long, maybe forever. This is a guy whose history shows more bad decisions than good.

 

As a Browns homer, the best case scenario is he plays and plays well for about 3 or 4 weeks. They then trade him to any team outside their own division for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick in 2017.

[R8RMick 242]

The good, he's only 25. The bad, he's one bad decision away from being out of the league for who knows how long, maybe forever. This is a guy whose history shows more bad decisions than good.

 

As a Browns homer, the best case scenario is he plays and plays well for about 3 or 4 weeks. They then trade him to any team outside their own division for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick in 2017.

A second round pick for someone who's one strike away from a lifetime ban? With his track record? Other than Jerry Jones not sure there's a dumb ass GM in the league who'd take that call. Reggie McKenzie might give you a 7th. Might.

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

The good, he's only 25. The bad, he's one bad decision away from being out of the league for who knows how long, maybe forever. This is a guy whose history shows more bad decisions than good.

 

As a Browns homer, the best case scenario is he plays and plays well for about 3 or 4 weeks. They then trade him to any team outside their own division for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick in 2017.

 

I'd think that the best case scenario would be that he plays like the superstar he was in 2013 and you win games because of it.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

A second round pick for someone who's one strike away from a lifetime ban? With his track record? Other than Jerry Jones not sure there's a dumb ass GM in the league who'd take that call. Reggie McKenzie might give you a 7th. Might.

Yeah there's no way he gets traded for anything more than a conditional pick

[cousinal111 57]

The good, he's only 25. The bad, he's one bad decision away from being out of the league for who knows how long, maybe forever. This is a guy whose history shows more bad decisions than good.

 

As a Browns homer, the best case scenario is he plays and plays well for about 3 or 4 weeks. They then trade him to any team outside their own division for a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick in 2017.

That's not "Browns homer" that's "Beyond Browns homer."

[Maulers1973 117]

 

I'd think that the best case scenario would be that he plays like the superstar he was in 2013 and you win games because of it.

 

I don't think he has that in him. If he can just play at maybe a top 10ish WR level then he can bring value. Ok, I was dreaming a bit with a 2nd rounder. Though, I don't think a 3rd is out of the question especially if he displays the talent that got him noticed in the first place. If Dez goes down again, Jerreh would be all over it!

[Vince44 205]

Gordan, Coleman, and Barnidge.

 

RG3 will have some very good weapons to target this season.

[kwolf68 13]

Gordan, Coleman, and Barnidge.

 

RG3 will have some very good weapons to target this season.

 

 

Assuming RG3 even wins the job. Griffin is just a suspect NFL quarterback at this point. Cleveland traded out Johnny Foolsball for RG3....though Griffin doesn't appear to be a total idiot like Manziel. So there is that I guess.

[Maulers1973 117]

I wouldn't completely right off McCown. When healthy is capable of leading an offense. No worse than an Andy Dalton anyway.

 

I'm anxious to see what HC Hue Jackson can do with these guys.

[redsrback 30]

 

Had Gordon been a 4th or 5th round pick without question marks, I'd agree with you. He had red flags in college and the Browns still took him 33 overall. They did that because they thought he could play... and they were right. They tried to trade him because they felt he was a train wreck waiting to happen... and they were right there too. He didn't over-produce from overly feeding him the ball, he produced because he is that good.

I stopped reading the moment u claimed the Browns were right about something.

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

I stopped reading the moment u claimed the Browns were right about something.

Understandable... but even a blind squirrel finds a nut.

[kwolf68 13]

I had my draft yesterday and I landed Josh Gordon in round 11. I wanted to actually wait later, but the draft was so unpredictable and picking 9th I didn't want to risk him not coming back around. I am already solid at receiver even if he doesn't do squat (Odell Beckham, Kelvin Benjamin, Jordan Matthews, Travis Benjamin, Kevin White, Chris Hogan)

[$epphori$ 118]

I had my draft yesterday and I landed Josh Gordon in round 11. I wanted to actually wait later, but the draft was so unpredictable and picking 9th I didn't want to risk him not coming back around. I am already solid at receiver even if he doesn't do squat (Odell Beckham, Kelvin Benjamin, Jordan Matthews, Travis Benjamin, Kevin White, Chris Hogan)

wow. I would have thought he would go earlier. Just like in this thread there is always a few teams in every league that will disregard the behavioral risk and still value Gordon as a top 10 WR even before he plays a down again. Now I dont doubt he can regain some of that elite play, how much I dont know. But I would love to be able to land him round 10-11. But in my 12 team league I would be he goes as early as round 5-6 and no later than round 8.

[SpenceToons 70]

While Gordon might have used the 2014 preseason to round himself into shape, he didn't maintain that form over the 12 week layoff before his abbreviated 2014 campaign began. The longer he played, the more winded he looked. There's a risk that happens again over the 4 week layoff before he can actually start playing this year and might be a factor behind his low ADP - you might only get 8-9 good games out of him.

 

 

I wouldn't completely write off McCown. When healthy is capable of leading an offense. No worse than an Andy Dalton anyway.

 

I'm anxious to see what HC Hue Jackson can do with these guys.

 

The flowering that Barnidge experienced last year is still "live" and is an asset available to Coach Jackson, but which risks getting withered away with RG3 at the helm as opposed to McCown, who had such a rapport with Barnidge. Oh well...

[stonewall 647]

CLE - WR Josh Gordon needs to shed pounds

Source: Akron Beacon Journal - Nate Ulrich

Cleveland Browns WR Josh Gordon (quadriceps) will hopefully return to practice soon, according to head coach Hue Jackson, but Jackson said Gordon would be the first to say he needs to lose some weight.

It's been awhile since Gordon played football, so getting back into shape...and needing to get into football shape specifically...is no surprise.

[Ray_T 753]

Fun fact: In Josh Gordon's last 8 games he had topped 100 yards once and scored one TD.

wasnt he running with a 3rd string QB by that time?