RaiderHaters Revenge 3,589 Posted August 20, 2017 so looking around the league, last year, I tabbed Dak as the best rookie QB before the draft, I really liked him coming out of college, however nobody saw what he did coming at all. This year I think that guy is CJ Bethard. Its easy to say Watson, Tribusky, even Mahomes (who I am really impressed by) I think Bethard plays quite a bit this year, and performs pretty well. This really isnt a fantasy thing though, just kinda putting it on paper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 20, 2017 I'm going Trubisky 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cotarice12 18 Posted August 20, 2017 I still think it's Watson. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montana 89 Posted August 20, 2017 I'm going Trubisky 2nd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 20, 2017 so looking around the league, last year, I tabbed Dak as the best rookie QB before the draftLol no you didn't.I'm going Trubisky Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montana 89 Posted August 20, 2017 Lol no you didn't. Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good. So was Ryan Leaf. LoL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,589 Posted August 20, 2017 Lol no you didn't. Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good. I did, I was all over the Chargers message board hoping they would select him in the 2nd round last year I also went out on a huge limb in the past, and said Matt Ryan would be better than Jay Cutler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,551 Posted August 20, 2017 Another good video from the film room about four of the rookie QBs... From earlier in the preseason Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted August 20, 2017 Dak's scouting report was actually a fair bit better. for Dak, the knock on him was that he wasnt exceptionally good under pressure. Otherwise the skills were all good, and he could make all the throws. I think Dak did well because he had a top O line that kept the pressure off of him and a top RB which also slowed the pass rush in a significant way thereby mitigating his greatest deficiency. This kid has no such luxury and the report I saw suggests his deep ball accuracy is terrible. That being said, he is probably best suited to a west coast offense (West coast offense doesnt do a lot of deep throws... it's mostly short to medium throws) but he also has pocket awareness problems that will hurt him if he doesnt get that issue resolved. Otherwise, the report suggests hes a smart kid who knows where to go with the ball and such, so maybe with some coaching he could be an eventual starter in a west coast system (or a system with a top O line like Dak had) Right now that does not exist in San Fran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Neil 63 Posted August 20, 2017 Shanahan runs a ZBS which does a decent job of masking mediocre OLines. But you are right. I don't know any of there linemen by name Dak's scouting report was actually a fair bit better. for Dak, the knock on him was that he wasnt exceptionally good under pressure. Otherwise the skills were all good, and he could make all the throws. I think Dak did well because he had a top O line that kept the pressure off of him and a top RB which also slowed the pass rush in a significant way thereby mitigating his greatest deficiency. This kid has no such luxury and the report I saw suggests his deep ball accuracy is terrible. That being said, he is probably best suited to a west coast offense (West coast offense doesnt do a lot of deep throws... it's mostly short to medium throws) but he also has pocket awareness problems that will hurt him if he doesnt get that issue resolved. Otherwise, the report suggests hes a smart kid who knows where to go with the ball and such, so maybe with some coaching he could be an eventual starter in a west coast system (or a system with a top O line like Dak had) Right now that does not exist in San Fran. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,855 Posted August 20, 2017 As a Bears fan I hope it's Trubisky and I really think he's pretty good but I don't think the Bears have to start him most of the year. As an Iowa Hawkeye fan I really hope it's Beathard. It's been way too long since an Iowa QB was relevant in the NFL. Loved the Beathard to Kittle connection yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted August 20, 2017 Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good. Yeah, I have to agree with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 20, 2017 Lol no you didn't. Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good. There are many people who think he isn't going to be good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 1,879 Posted August 20, 2017 Lol no you didn't. Drafts second overall pick isn't out of nowhere, he's supposed to be good. Hes a rookie QB. Even if its andrew luck its still out of nowhere for a QB to be solid in year 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted August 20, 2017 Hes a rookie QB. Even if its andrew luck its still out of nowhere for a QB to be solid in year 1. I think I'm with Tanatastic on this. if the QB was selected in the first round, he didnt come out of nowhere. first round picks who are QB's are generally expected to be either a solid starter or a stud QB at the time they are drafted. whether that happens in year 1, 2 or 3 of their career, it is expected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 20, 2017 There are many people who think he isn't going to be good A few of you are missing my point. I'm saying the top taken qb is not "out of nowhere". Dak was, since he was a 4th rounder and not even supposed to be on the field. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 20, 2017 A few of you are missing my point. I'm saying the top taken qb is not "out of nowhere". Dak was, since he was a 4th rounder and not even supposed to be on the field. Glennon is the assumed starter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted August 20, 2017 Glennon is the assumed starterYou are somehow still having a completely different conversation than me. I'm not concerned with Trubiskys details at all. Just reread my posts in this thread I guess, I donno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted August 21, 2017 Glennon is the assumed starter The rookie is not often the assumed starter unless he's a top 5 pick. Even then, it does not always happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,589 Posted August 21, 2017 You are somehow still having a completely different conversation than me. I'm not concerned with Trubiskys details at all. Just reread my posts in this thread I guess, I donno. I understand you completely and agree, the reason I mentioned Bethard, is cause quite frankly nobody really knows who he is, he wasnt highly rated by many, but he comes from a football family, calling Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, even Kizer, doesnt really strike me as an out of nowhere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maroon Bells 18 Posted August 21, 2017 Watson is the obvious answer. He looks really good. And if he were on any other team, he'd be the guy. Problem is, Tom Savage is a lot better than most people think. And considering the fact that the Texans win with defense, I don't see him getting replaced any time soon. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antiramie 50 Posted August 21, 2017 If we're not including 1st round picks, then I think Kizer will have the best chance of success. Opportunity: We all know about Osweiler, and there are already murmurs that Kizer will supplant Kessler as the #2...if he hasn't yet. Even if he doesn't, Osweiler won't last long, and Kessler was injury prone last season and hasn't looked great as of late. If Kizer doesn't play his way into a starting spot, he could easily Fitzmagic his way there. Plus, Kizer looked great his first preseason game. We should know even more tonight. O-line: Many analysts have Cleveland ranked as having a top 5 OL going into the 2017 season. As evidenced with Dak, a rookie QB usually must have a solid line to perform well. Weapons: Coleman, Britt, Crowell, Duke Johnson...middle of the road....probably enough to not hinder QB performance. Schedule: A mixed bag throughout the season. I just can't see Beathard coming in and succeeding right away. The opportunity may present itself if Hoyer goes down with an injury again (since Barkley is terrible). But the 49ers O-line is garbage, the offensive talent is pretty limited, and playing against the NFC West is really tough. Not to mention he was drafted 2-4 rounds ahead of his projection, whereas Dak was considered pro-ready when he came into the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted August 21, 2017 Pat mahomes. Smith gets hurt early and mahomes is allowed to show off his cannon hooking up with hill like a drunk Alabama girl with her cousin. All the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shutdown 40 Posted August 22, 2017 I haven't heard great reports, but I'd say if you are going with someone out of nowhere it would be Nathan Peterman. Buffalo is in firesale mode and if they could get rid of Taylor for something I think they would. Even if that doesn't happen, I wouldn't be surprised to seem Peterman play at some time this year, as Taylor is clearly not the QB this regime wants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocNiner 44 Posted August 22, 2017 Being a 9ers fan I'd love to see BeathaRd come outta nowhere & put up good numbers. However, I think that may be a Longshot for him to accomplish. Hoyer & Barkley ahead of him so it might take quite a bit to get on the field. My money is on Trubisky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted August 22, 2017 Being a 9ers fan I'd love to see BeathaRd come outta nowhere & put up good numbers. However, I think that may be a Longshot for him to accomplish. Hoyer & Barkley ahead of him so it might take quite a bit to get on the field. My money is on Trubisky. I agree. Trubisky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,117 Posted August 22, 2017 If Trubisky is fantasy relevant this year, I'll be shocked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,589 Posted September 1, 2017 The writing was on the wall for Barkley when third-round rookie C.J. Beathard played ahead of him in the Niners' second and third preseason games. Barkley had a quiet preseason, completing just 13-of-21 passes for 197 yards with no touchdowns or interceptions. With Barkley out of the mix, Beathard will open the year as the primary backup to Brian Hoyer in San Francisco. one step closer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polecatt 403 Posted September 1, 2017 I say Trubisky or Kizer but there may not be a good rookie QB this year, at least for fantasy purposes, not like Dak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,594 Posted September 1, 2017 Nobody, most years there is not a qb like dak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoOnAtIk 75 Posted September 1, 2017 I really like what I saw from Mahomes last night... big arm could make a splash if he plays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gpann101 32 Posted September 1, 2017 Mahomes and Hunt will be Dak & Zeke 2.0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skinny_Bastard 154 Posted September 2, 2017 Blake Bortles Fournette will help his game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
minuteofdecay 5 Posted September 2, 2017 Christian Hackenberg Your welcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 2, 2017 I did, I was all over the Chargers message board hoping they would select him in the 2nd round last year I also went out on a huge limb in the past, and said Matt Ryan would be better than Jay Cutler Huge limb on Matt Ryan? Matt Ryan never showed anything but star potential from the time he was starting at BC. Drafted number 3 in his draft class. Cutler was number 11 in his draft class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mighty_thor 115 Posted September 2, 2017 Mahomes has the sickest physical skills. Undrafted rookie qb cooper rush has the sickest mental skills. Trubisky has the best combination of mental and physical skills needed to be a star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 2, 2017 I don't know that Savage is as bad as a lot of people are saying he is. The right game plan could see him putting up numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 3,589 Posted September 2, 2017 Huge limb on Matt Ryan? Matt Ryan never showed anything but star potential from the time he was starting at BC. Drafted number 3 in his draft class. Cutler was number 11 in his draft class. yes and from day 1 especially around here, people were all over Cutler's jock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites