Hardcore troubadour 13,034 Posted March 29, 2018 Here's another pro tip: most people with psychiatric illness aren't more violent that the general population, on their meds or not. If you're concerned about suicide, I can get on board with that, but the "S" word seems to rile up most posters on this bored. My experience says different. Lots of them get plenty violent and irrational when they come off their meds. And they are all stronger than they look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,838 Posted March 29, 2018 So all of these folks are mentally ill that shoot up places but they have the presence of mind to locate and find gun free zones? Seems perfectly logical. I literally can't name one business where I know where there gun free zone sign is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,811 Posted March 29, 2018 So all of these folks are mentally ill that shoot up places but they have the presence of mind to locate and find gun free zones? Seems perfectly logical. I literally can't name one business where I know where there gun free zone sign is. It's not difficult to know that schools are gun free zones. It's literally posted everywhere and shouted to the heavens by liberals. I at least know one business: where I work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,831 Posted March 29, 2018 I don't think westward expansion happens without guns in the hands of citizens. It's crazy to think that people shouldn't be given the ability to defend themselves. But it's also crazy to think it should be so easy to get one. And it is in a lot of places.The process should be quick, simple and inexpensive. We can debate the level of scrutiny that should be required but the process itself shouldn't be prohibitive in my opinion. The 2A is uniquely American and I think more people should appreciate that and take advantage of it. I also firmly believe that not everybody should own a gun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,169 Posted March 29, 2018 It's not difficult to know that schools are gun free zones. It's literally posted everywhere and shouted to the heavens by liberals. I at least know one business: where I work. And to add to that just because someone is mentally ill doesnt mean they arent calculated or intelligent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,831 Posted March 29, 2018 So all of these folks are mentally ill that shoot up places but they have the presence of mind to locate and find gun free zones? Seems perfectly logical. I literally can't name one business where I know where there gun free zone sign is. Anybody who would shoot up a bunch of defenseless people is mentally ill. Fact. The targeting of designated GFZ's could be unintentional and secondary to their desire for a target rich environment. It just so happens that we've made those places one and the same in most cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,512 Posted March 29, 2018 So someone is ill enough to put them on psych meds, but it's ok for them to have a gun. I guess you're assuming they will always take their meds. Pro tip: They don't. So when they are off their meds, they are just mentally ill at that point. Mentally ill people should never, ever have guns In AZ you cannot own a firearm if you have a Medical Marijuana card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,081 Posted March 30, 2018 Jesus, somebody needs to step away from the Breitbart machine. Criminal breaking into home equipped with his homemade rape bag for the daughter and wife especially. Two cops roll up on the scene. Hey let's stop him! No wait up Harvey, do you see that? That homeowner has an Obama sticker on his car. Let's go ahead and let that criminal rape his wife and daughters! Well trump did say that Obama wiretapped him. Do they even do wiretap anymore? Doesn't matter. This snowflake liberal is about to get what he deserves. We only work for people who agree with us politically. Trump told us so! Okay, now are we Republicans or trumpets or libtards? Oh, not sure. Oh hell, the guys black. Let's go shoot him anyway. Jeezus.. excellent thread. Make sure you summarize this and send it in to Gorsuch so we can get that whole Constitution thing taken care of by week's end. Here is the perfect example of someone who doesn't take their meds on a daily basis. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,474 Posted March 30, 2018 In AZ you cannot own a firearm if you have a Medical Marijuana card. Dumb Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,034 Posted March 30, 2018 In AZ you cannot own a firearm if you have a Medical Marijuana card. Well, if you claim you need it for anxiety, good. If it's for cancer that's stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,696 Posted March 30, 2018 Well, if you claim you need it for anxiety, good. If it's for cancer that's stupid. What if you're anxious about your cancer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,696 Posted March 30, 2018 Here is the perfect example of someone who doesn't take their meds on a daily basis. If I was like the tards in this thread that apparently still fear Eric holder's jack-booted liberal Thug cops Id need medication. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 691 Posted March 30, 2018 There are still enough civilians ready to fight. That being said...who's gonna fight them? Uncles, brothers, dads, cousins, that are all conservatives are going to fight vs. dads, cousins, brothers and uncles that are all conservative? LOL. Some dope on here, in a different thread a while back said "Good luck fighting when the drone takes you out". Uhhhh.. Not gonna happen. None of it.... Because of the foresight they had when the 2nd Amendment was created.This will eventually, if the libs keep pushing, come to an all out fight to the death between those with guns and those without. There's really no other way. Too many willing to fight. 50 years from now, maybe. Look at all of these pages and posts we have arguing over this LOL. Its not like its up for vote. Its not like you flamers are going to "win" the debate, therefore removing guns. You can blab til your voicebox falls out. It will do you no good. None.We have guns, that's the law, you lose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 692 Posted March 30, 2018 There are still enough civilians ready to fight. That being said...who's gonna fight them? Uncles, brothers, dads, cousins, that are all conservatives are going to fight vs. dads, cousins, brothers and uncles that are all conservative? LOL. Some dope on here, in a different thread a while back said "Good luck fighting when the drone takes you out". Uhhhh.. Not gonna happen. None of it.... Because of the foresight they had when the 2nd Amendment was created. This will eventually, if the libs keep pushing, come to an all out fight to the death between those with guns and those without. There's really no other way. Too many willing to fight. 50 years from now, maybe. Look at all of these pages and posts we have arguing over this LOL. Its not like its up for vote. Its not like you flamers are going to "win" the debate, therefore removing guns. You can blab til your voicebox falls out. It will do you no good. None. We have guns, that's the law, you lose. This... I was discussing this with a work friend yesterday.. who's going to do this gun round up if all are banned? Nobody I know. The military, that's 90% conservative? Have to change the Constitution about using them against us. I really don't think that the libs understand the line. This is the real "red line". If that's crossed.. I whole heartedly believe it would be the 2nd American Civil War... and I'm not to sure the military would be on the side you think it would or a big part of it anyway. This is the actual sh!t all the 2nd Amendment folks feel it's there for in the first place... a tyrannical gov. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,696 Posted March 30, 2018 It seems like all the true gun nuts are really champing at the bit for some kind of Jack booted thugs all out kind of War. That's not how it's going to go down. That's not how it is going down. With each passing generation, hell, with each passing Mass Gun casualty, the percentage of people who stand in lockstep with the NRA AA bulshit slippery slope defend everything at all costs mentality gets less and less. As with everything else in this country, you're not going to sway the minds of the lunatic hardcore Fringe on either side. It's the common sense middle that is most likely to affect a change. The NRA continues to lose more and more on the hardcore side of things. And lose in overall numbers as well. Eventually, the NRA will be made up of the hardcore Fringe. But even now, the majority of gun owners are not NRA members. That should tell you something right there. If you think this is some kind of radical new thinking, you don't understand America. Think about all the hardcore pro helmet nuts back in the day. They still exist to this day and swear that they have a right not to wear helmets. But with each passing generation, those numbers dwindle. And there are more and more people who ride motorcycles who wear helmets than don't. In short, it's a trees that can Sway With The Winds of Change that last the longest. The least flexible trees no matter how strong they are are the ones who eventually blow down and die. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,034 Posted March 30, 2018 You like saying hardcore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted March 30, 2018 This... I was discussing this with a work friend yesterday.. who's going to do this gun round up if all are banned? Nobody I know. The military, that's 90% conservative? Have to change the Constitution about using them against us. I really don't think that the libs understand the line. This is the real "red line". If that's crossed.. I whole heartedly believe it would be the 2nd American Civil War... and I'm not to sure the military would be on the side you think it would or a big part of it anyway. This is the actual sh!t all the 2nd Amendment folks feel it's there for in the first place... a tyrannical gov. Jeez Mmmmm, you're better than this. Nobody, I mean nobody, is suggesting banning/confiscating all guns. And there isn't going to a be another civil war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,081 Posted March 30, 2018 Those that fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
12th Man 884 Posted March 30, 2018 Those that fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.Wow did you make that up? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 196 Posted March 30, 2018 Wow did you make that up? That avatar if fuckin great. every time I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parrot 789 Posted March 30, 2018 1) I don't think if Jews were allowed to have guns that they would have prevented the Holocaust. Are you suggesting that the microscopic portion of the German population that Jews with guns represented might not have had much luck stopping the fighting force that took the combined military might of the rest of the world to defeat? Crazy talk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 2,831 Posted March 30, 2018 With each passing generation, hell, with each passing Mass Gun casualty, the percentage of people who stand in lockstep with the NRA AA bulshit slippery slope defend everything at all costs mentality gets less and less. The NRA continues to lose more and more on the hardcore side of things. And lose in overall numbers as well. Eventually, the NRA will be made up of the hardcore Fringe. But even now, the majority of gun owners are not NRA members. That should tell you something right there. Donations to the NRA tripled after the Parkland shooting (CNN)In the days and weeks following the February 14 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, the National Rifle Association saw a significant spike in donations. In fact, reports from the Federal Election Commission show donations to the NRA's Political Victory Fund tripled from January to February. In January, the NRA collected almost $248,000 in individual contributions. In February, they collected more than $779,000. the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks political spending, tracked itemized contributions (donations of $200 or more by an individual) in the days before and after the shooting. According to their data, in the two weeks after the shooting, itemized contributions to the NRA doubled from the previous two weeks. They also found the number of people contributing in the seven days after the shooting increased almost 500% from the week before. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/us/nra-donations-spike-parkland-shooting-trnd/index.html Membership in Gun Groups Is Spiking After the Florida Shooting The National Rifle Association and its allies have found their political influence under fresh scrutiny as gun control advocates push for new restrictions and corporations sever their ties in the wake of the deadly high school shooting last month in Parkland, Florida. But outside the gun control debate in Washington, membership in the NRA and gun rights groups across the country, which includes more than five million Americans, is spiking, according to people familiar with the numbers. http://time.com/5176471/national-rifle-association-membership-florida-shooting/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,320 Posted March 30, 2018 Written at a time when black people were 3/5 human and women couldn't vote.....but somehow it's viewed as relevant today. Did things really get better when the Constitution was updated in this case? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LOD01 196 Posted March 30, 2018 This is why the 2nd amendment should not be with as far as 'keep and bear arms'. https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/abaf3e66-8f8e-3b3c-a5d3-9eaa3f083885/ss_convicted-felon-shot%2C-killed.html This pile of shiat got exactly what he deserved. The homeowner needs a trophy, keys to the city, etc. for disposing of trash in a quick efficient manner along with saving taxpayers a ton of $. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,696 Posted March 30, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/us/nra-donations-spike-parkland-shooting-trnd/index.html http://time.com/5176471/national-rifle-association-membership-florida-shooting/ Donations does not equal membership NRA. Membership and local gun groups does not equal membership in NRA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,512 Posted March 30, 2018 Survey: 89% At March For Our Lives Voted For Hillary, Fewer Than Half Were There Because Of Gun Control https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/29/survey-89-march-lives-voted-hillary-fewer-half-gun-control/ Donations to the NRA tripled Despite Phony “Student” March https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/us/nra-donations-spike-parkland-shooting-trnd/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 13,034 Posted March 30, 2018 Survey: 89% At March For Our Lives Voted For Hillary, Fewer Than Half Were There Because Of Gun Control https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/29/survey-89-march-lives-voted-hillary-fewer-half-gun-control/ Donations to the NRA tripled Despite Phony Student March https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/28/us/nra-donations-spike-parkland-shooting-trnd/index.html They think they're fooling people hiding behind dead kids. Disgusting. Where were they when all the other mass shootings went down? Biggest mass shooting in history was in October. Oh wait, those were country music fans. No biggie. And of course there were no mass school shootings from 2009-2016. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted March 30, 2018 They think they're fooling people hiding behind dead kids. Disgusting. Where were they when all the other mass shootings went down? Biggest mass shooting in history was in October. Oh wait, those were country music fans. No biggie. And of course there were no mass school shootings from 2009-2016.scumbag phonies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,811 Posted March 30, 2018 Jeez Mmmmm, you're better than this. Nobody, I mean nobody, is suggesting banning/confiscating all guns. And there isn't going to a be another civil war. Dude, John Paul Stevens just came out the other day and said to banish the 2nd amendment. And the left has been running with his quote ever since. But even before that, most of the left has been calling for the confiscation and outright repeal of the 2nd amendment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,169 Posted March 30, 2018 Dude, John Paul Stevens just came out the other day and said to banish the 2nd amendment. And the left has been running with his quote ever since. But even before that, most of the left has been calling for the confiscation and outright repeal of the 2nd amendment. Beer is right though most military and law enforcement are on our side and took an oath to the constitution. I think most LEO would refuse to do a gun confiscation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 2,811 Posted March 30, 2018 Beer is right though most military and law enforcement are on our side and took an oath to the constitution. I think most LEO would refuse to do a gun confiscation. I agree with him also. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted March 30, 2018 There are still enough civilians ready to fight. That being said...who's gonna fight them? Uncles, brothers, dads, cousins, that are all conservatives are going to fight vs. dads, cousins, brothers and uncles that are all conservative? LOL. Some dope on here, in a different thread a while back said "Good luck fighting when the drone takes you out". Uhhhh.. Not gonna happen. None of it.... Because of the foresight they had when the 2nd Amendment was created. This will eventually, if the libs keep pushing, come to an all out fight to the death between those with guns and those without. There's really no other way. Too many willing to fight. 50 years from now, maybe. Look at all of these pages and posts we have arguing over this LOL. Its not like its up for vote. Its not like you flamers are going to "win" the debate, therefore removing guns. You can blab til your voicebox falls out. It will do you no good. None. We have guns, that's the law, you lose. This is just ridiculous. And guns are getting more regulated, whether you remain delusional or not. it doesn't particularly matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmm...beer 692 Posted March 30, 2018 Jeez Mmmmm, you're better than this. Nobody, I mean nobody, is suggesting banning/confiscating all guns. And there isn't going to a be another civil war. I'm not saying I'd fight anyone, I'm just telling you I know the sentiment out here. They would fight... Do a search on interviews done at the rallys... lots of folks just calling for an outright total ban. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,196 Posted March 30, 2018 I'm not saying I'd fight anyone, I'm just telling you I know the sentiment out here. They would fight... Do a search on interviews done at the rallys... lots of folks just calling for an outright total ban. Then we'd be at the mercy of Indians and Bears! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted March 30, 2018 I'm not saying I'd fight anyone, I'm just telling you I know the sentiment out here. They would fight... Do a search on interviews done at the rallys... lots of folks just calling for an outright total ban. I think you need to see that as a pivot when reasonable gun control measures are proposed. Ive never heard or any sentiment to ban all guns or confiscate property. Its more used as a retort to gun reform because its REALLY hard to argue that thorough background checks are a bad thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,512 Posted March 30, 2018 The idiots on the Left are blaming the guns when it has been proven that the FBI, Parkland Sheriff Department, and the Parkland Educational System are directly to blame for this shooting. That is why so many of us know the movement has nothing to do with the safety of the kids but repeal of the second amendment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,461 Posted March 30, 2018 2 thoughts to this argument that comes up a lot. 1) I don't think if Jews were allowed to have guns that they would have prevented the Holocaust. There was just no simple one size fits all solution to that tragedy 2) If the US government wants to take your ass down, you are going down. They have far far more firepower that you do, or your community does and if they want you, they gonna get ya. Guns or no guns. So when people use that argument for guns, I have to say nah. Protecting your home against an intruder? Sure--now that I see. But not the gubberment Your fallacy is that the government would, say in my case, destroy Phoenix. I don't think they would do that, nor do I think Mao or Pol or Hitler or Stalin did similar, although I could be wrong. They went after the "enemies". Hell, we could just nuke the middle east and call it a "victory," in part because it wouldn't leave behind much worth "winning." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iam90sbaby 2,169 Posted March 30, 2018 Your fallacy is that the government would, say in my case, destroy Phoenix. I don't think they would do that, nor do I think Mao or Pol or Hitler or Stalin did similar, although I could be wrong. They went after the "enemies". Hell, we could just nuke the middle east and call it a "victory," in part because it wouldn't leave behind much worth "winning." The pen is mightier than the sword. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,696 Posted March 30, 2018 The idiots on the Left are blaming the guns when it has been proven that the FBI, Parkland Sheriff Department, and the Parkland Educational System are directly to blame for this shooting. That is why so many of us know the movement has nothing to do with the safety of the kids but repeal of the second amendment. You do know that if this Nut Job didn't have a gun then the groups you listed would be even more irrelevant than they are right now? How about we all agree that if cops are going to be cowards, then bad guys shouldn't have guns? Will just give a bucket of rocks to six-year-olds. That'll fix it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,357 Posted March 30, 2018 Your fallacy is that the government would, say in my case, destroy Phoenix. I don't think they would do that, nor do I think Mao or Pol or Hitler or Stalin did similar, although I could be wrong. They went after the "enemies". Hell, we could just nuke the middle east and call it a "victory," in part because it wouldn't leave behind much worth "winning." Not sure I understand your post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites