Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[IGotWorms 4,059]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's interesting seeing reactions from people on both sides.  They both think it's going their way and they are just killing it.  Neither can understand how the other side thinks they are winning too.  It's fascinating.

What’re you basing these broad statements on? I don’t see many liberals here or elsewhere saying that anyone is “killing it.” Personally, I’m waiting to see how it all comes together

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

51 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What’re you basing these broad statements on? I don’t see many liberals here or elsewhere saying that anyone is “killing it.” Personally, I’m waiting to see if this unstable gasbag Schiff actually has something  

 

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

54 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What’re you basing these broad statements on? I don’t see many liberals here or elsewhere saying that anyone is “killing it.” Personally, I’m waiting to see how it all comes together

Go visit FBG or just social media in general.  Both the Ds and Rs are putting their spin on how it's benefiting them.

[Intense Observer 344]

3 hours ago, drobeski said:

This vindman faggut is a real peice of schit. Treason, hang him. 

He is the epitome of worthless pussies who have done literally nothing but get promoted because of right time, right place, right politics.

Today he admitted he perjured himself and he was a leaker.

Should face the same prison sentence as Roger Stone at best, a rope around his neck at worst since he is a Lt Colonel and should be held to a higher standard.

[KSB2424 3,148]

17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Go visit FBG or just social media in general.  Both the Ds and Rs are putting their spin on how it's benefiting them.

Most everyone has their confirmation bias and will rep for their tribe.  I'm sure subconsciously I do that as well; most any human being does.  However what I keep coming back to is these four things:

1. The Ukraine President said he never felt (threatened, bribed, pressured) etc.

2.  There was no (at least yet) investigation into Biden.

3.  The aid and money was given to Ukraine.

4. The infamous phone call's memo / transcript whatever didn't show anything close to impeachable offenses.

I just cannot get over those four items.  If Donald Trump was bribing and threatening Ukraine then he really sucks at it.....because not only did nothing happen that he supposedly tried to do, but the very person he was supposed to be bribing had no idea. 

 

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't doubt that you 100% believe that.  What's amazing is that Dems feel just as confident.

 If they felt so confident why does the narrative keep changing? Just like the Russian Collusion crap. Why are they limiting the questioning, the responses, the witnesses......i.e. transparency?

 

[Hawkeye21 2,405]

2 minutes ago, Filthy Fernadez said:

 If they felt so confident why does the narrative keep changing? Just like the Russian Collusion crap. Why are they limiting the questioning, the responses, the witnesses......i.e. transparency?

 

Delusion?  I don't know.  Maybe they want it to happen so bad that they are blinded by it.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

What’re you basing these broad statements on? I don’t see many liberals here or elsewhere saying that anyone is “killing it.” Personally, I’m waiting to see how it all comes together

For the Dems? Here ya go....

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Delusion?  I don't know.  Maybe they want it to happen so bad that they are blinded by it.

Pretty much sums up those thinking Trump has done anything wrong let alone illegal i.e. the Dems (including those here).

[Kanil 520]

Is this the thread where Democrats are sure everything is the smoking gun and Republicans pretend they care about small lies while ignoring/defending the POTUS' blatant lies?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

This thing is a complete bust. Schiff and company should get an Edsel as a reward . 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

21 minutes ago, Kanil said:

Is this the thread where Democrats are sure everything is the smoking gun and Republicans pretend they care about small lies while ignoring/defending the POTUS' blatant lies?

  What blatant lies? 

[Kanil 520]

5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

  What blatant lies? 

He's constantly making up, or exaggerating.  Unless you think he's 6'3" of pure muscle!... or that he's going to push for term limits... or that his tariffs are helping American farmers and steel workers... or that the wall is going to be built AND Mexico will pay for it... or that bone spurs kept him from serving his country (focking pvssy)…

Do I need to go on?  You can't honestly believe all of that, right?

[Utilit99 4,099]

17 minutes ago, Kanil said:

He's constantly making up, or exaggerating.  Unless you think he's 6'3" of pure muscle!... or that he's going to push for term limits... or that his tariffs are helping American farmers and steel workers... or that the wall is going to be built AND Mexico will pay for it... or that bone spurs kept him from serving his country (focking pvssy)…

Do I need to go on?  You can't honestly believe all of that, right?

Trump 2020. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

17 minutes ago, Kanil said:

He's constantly making up, or exaggerating.  Unless you think he's 6'3" of pure muscle!... or that he's going to push for term limits... or that his tariffs are helping American farmers and steel workers... or that the wall is going to be built AND Mexico will pay for it... or that bone spurs kept him from serving his country (focking pvssy)…

Do I need to go on?  You can't honestly believe all of that, right?

That's the best you got? Campaign promises from 4 years ago?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

18 minutes ago, Kanil said:

He's constantly making up, or exaggerating.  Unless you think he's 6'3" of pure muscle!... or that he's going to push for term limits... or that his tariffs are helping American farmers and steel workers... or that the wall is going to be built AND Mexico will pay for it... or that bone spurs kept him from serving his country (focking pvssy)…

Do I need to go on?  You can't honestly believe all of that, right?

Those aren't really lies. "You can keep your Doctor", now thats a lie. A cruel, destructive lie that actually hurt people. Trump hasn't done anything close to that. 

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

41 minutes ago, Kanil said:

He's constantly making up, or exaggerating.  Unless you think he's 6'3" of pure muscle!... or that he's going to push for term limits... or that his tariffs are helping American farmers and steel workers... or that the wall is going to be built AND Mexico will pay for it... or that bone spurs kept him from serving his country (focking pvssy)…

Do I need to go on?  You can't honestly believe all of that, right?

Wow, you're a fukking sad little biitch of a person. 

[Cdub100 3,936]

5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's interesting seeing reactions from people on both sides.  They both think it's going their way and they are just killing it.  Neither can understand how the other side thinks they are winning too.  It's fascinating.

Oh, we totally get the other side thinks they are winning because they are. They LOVE putting America through this crap. That's why it's something new every week. The ultimate goal is to destabilize this country and insert more government control. They are doing a great job.

[Herbivore 1,142]

2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Most everyone has their confirmation bias and will rep for their tribe.  I'm sure subconsciously I do that as well; most any human being does.  However what I keep coming back to is these four things:

1. The Ukraine President said he never felt (threatened, bribed, pressured) etc.

2.  There was no (at least yet) investigation into Biden.

3.  The aid and money was given to Ukraine.

4. The infamous phone call's memo / transcript whatever didn't show anything close to impeachable offenses.

I just cannot get over those four items.  If Donald Trump was bribing and threatening Ukraine then he really sucks at it.....because not only did nothing happen that he supposedly tried to do, but the very person he was supposed to be bribing had no idea. 

 

1..is there a leader worth anything that would say otherwise.

2,3,4..cause of the whistleblower?  

[Mike Honcho 5,302]

On 11/16/2019 at 8:31 PM, Filthy Fernadez said:

https://www.scribd.com/document/428295011/Lutsenko-Statement

This one's for Worms and his lie about Lutsenko recanting his accusations against Yovanovitch.

The Hill vows to review Solomon's Ukraine pieces

The columnist's attacks on a U.S. ambassador, which were hailed by Trump, have come under congressional scrutiny.

[Kanil 520]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Those aren't really lies. "You can keep your Doctor", now thats a lie. A cruel, destructive lie that actually hurt people. Trump hasn't done anything close to that. 

Actually, when you say you're going to do something and then don't do it, it id in fact, a lie.

[Kanil 520]

4 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

That's the best you got? Campaign promises from 4 years ago?

Actually the best (worst) is being a draft dodging POS.

[Kanil 520]

4 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

Wow, you're a fukking sad little biitch of a person. 

Look at this internet though guy over here! 

[Kanil 520]

Also, a big fock off to all of you who pretend to support the military but immediately start throwing words like treason and traitor anytime a military member disagrees with your idol.  You fake asses are a disgrace. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, Kanil said:

Also, a big fock off to all of you who pretend to support the military but immediately start throwing words like treason and traitor anytime a military member disagrees with your idol.  You fake asses are a disgrace. 

Hussein obama and Killary are traitors. Yes. 

[MDC 7,514]

12 minutes ago, Kanil said:

Actually, when you say you're going to do something and then don't do it, it id in fact, a lie.

Especially when you don’t even attempt to do it (paying off the federal debt) or later claim you didn’t even say what you said (Mexico will build the wall).

We give Trump a pass though because he says so much false dumb shiit it’s impossible to keep up. And you’d be a focking moron to believe a word he says, back then or today. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Especially when you don’t even attempt to do it (paying off the federal debt) or later claim you didn’t even say what you said (Mexico will build the wall).

We give Trump a pass though because he says so much false dumb shiit it’s impossible to keep up. And you’d be a focking moron to believe a word he says, back then or today. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

15 minutes ago, Kanil said:

Actually, when you say you're going to do something and then don't do it, it id in fact, a lie.

None of Trumps lies, fabrications, exaggerations and all the rest amount to anything. Obama's and Bush's on the other hand will ring out through the ages. Not getting mexico to pay for a wall hurt nobody. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

None of Trumps lies, fabrications, exaggerations and all the rest amount to anything. Obama's and Bush's on the other hand will ring out through the ages. Not getting mexico to pay for a wall hurt nobody. 

Some people don't understand the difference between simply lying about something (like hussein did) and trying to get something done but continually being obstructed by those who hate (like Trump has been). What can you do? Can't convince people to stop extreme hatred. 

[Herbivore 1,142]

26 minutes ago, Kanil said:

Also, a big fock off to all of you who pretend to support the military but immediately start throwing words like treason and traitor anytime a military member disagrees with your idol.  You fake asses are a disgrace. 

a complete disgrace

[Gladiators 1,995]

28 minutes ago, Kanil said:

Also, a big fock off to all of you who pretend to support the military but immediately start throwing words like treason and traitor anytime a military member disagrees with your idol.  You fake asses are a disgrace. 

[Intense Observer 344]

1 hour ago, Kanil said:

Actually the best (worst) is being a draft dodging POS.

Meh, who cares? 

And he technically didn't dodge the draft, he got the same legal deferments that everyone else who wanted received, same as Bill Clinton. If I recall his number wasn't even draftable the first 4 years, he only used deferments the last 1-2 years.

The only people going to war were poor focks with no other options and Ivy League faggõts like Kerry and Mueller who were merely looking to pad their resumes for their DC Swamp Career Track. Everyone else was doing everything they could to avoid that pointless war. 

 

 

[KSB2424 3,148]

4 hours ago, Herbivore said:

1..is there a leader worth anything that would say otherwise.

2,3,4..cause of the whistleblower?  

I’m stating facts as we know them.  You’re stating feelings and assumptions, hell the last sentence ended in a question mark.  :facepalm:

[Intense Observer 344]

1 hour ago, Kanil said:

Also, a big fock off to all of you who pretend to support the military but immediately start throwing words like treason and traitor anytime a military member disagrees with your idol.  You fake asses are a disgrace. 

Vindman is a piece of shìt disgrace to the uniform. He has been almost unanimously disparaged by vets today for his behavior. He didn't merely disagree with his CIC, he lied under oath and leaked details about a phone call between two heads of state, for what? Political gain? He admitted no crimes occurred.

Before jumping in to demonstrate your ignorance maybe brush up on the facts of the matter.

[Herbivore 1,142]

1 minute ago, KSB2424 said:

I’m stating facts as we know them.  You’re stating feelings and assumptions, hell the last sentence ended in a question mark.  :facepalm:

facepalm is right.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Wow

[Intense Observer 344]

Even WaPo thinks the impeachment inquiry is a flop:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-democrats-impeachment-bombshells-arent-exploding/2019/11/19/7322f0b0-0b22-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html

As we enter week two of the House impeachment inquiry, it seems pretty clear that Democrats are suffering a massive ordnance failure. Their “bombshells” are not exploding. 

The first unexploded bombshell came when acting ambassador to Ukraine William B. Taylor Jr. testified that a member of his embassy staff had overhead a cellphone conversation between President Trump and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, in a Kyiv restaurant in which Trump discussed the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations.” Aha, Democrats cried! A firsthand witness could now testify they heard Trump pressing the Ukrainians for investigations.

Um, so what? Trump had already released a rough transcript of his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which he had pressed him for investigations. The overheard call told us nothing we did not already know. Indeed, the only one likely to get in trouble from this revelation is Sondland, who violated operational security by calling the president in public on an unsecure cellphone.

 

How about former Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch’s testimony? We learned that Trump fired her without explanation (which as president he had every right to do) and besmirched her reputation. Yes, Trump treated her horribly, but being a jerk is not an impeachable offense.

Then, as though to prove the point, Trump attacked her on Twitter as she was testifying, writing, “Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad.” Democrats pounced, trying to turn Trump’s blunder into a new charge of “witness intimidation.” Please. Witness intimidation is defined as “the threatening of a crucial court witnesses by pressure or extortion to compel him/her to not to testify.” Yovanovitch had already been fired as ambassador and was in the process of testifying. No bombshell there, either.

Then on Tuesday, Democrats asked Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman about his assertion that Zelensky had mentioned “Burisma” in his call with Trump, even though the word was not in the transcript released to the public. The suggestion was that the transcript had been doctored. Vindman testified that it was “not a significant omission” and that the career staff who produce the transcripts simply “didn’t catch the word.” In other words, there was no bombshell scrubbing of the transcript.

They got nothing damaging from Vice President Pence’s Eurasia adviser Jennifer Williams, who testified Tuesday morning that investigations never came up in Pence’s meeting with Zelensky in Warsaw. They got nothing from former special envoy Kurt Volker or former National Security Council staffer Tim Morrison on Tuesday afternoon. So after three days of hearings, Democrats have failed to produce anything remotely explosive. 

That means they are losing. Polls show the vast majority of Americans agree with Vindman that the Trump-Zelensky call “was inappropriate.” They agreed with Vindman before he testified. But only a minority of Americans say Trump’s conduct warrants impeachment and removal. And the hearings are not changing their minds. Indeed, support for the impeachment inquiry has ticked down since the hearings began, as has the number of Americans tuning in to watch.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

Yeah it’s petering out. They probably made a bit of a tactical error releasing the deposition transcripts so it was all old news. But at the end of the day it’s either there or it isn’t and it doesn’t look like this one gets over the hump.

[Strike 5,607]

52 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah it’s petering out. They probably made a bit of a tactical error releasing the deposition transcripts so it was all old news. But at the end of the day it’s either there or it isn’t and it doesn’t look like this one gets over the hump.

Lol but his administration CONFESSED!!!  God you're an idiot.

[Herbivore 1,142]

2 hours ago, Intense Observer said:

Even WaPo thinks the impeachment inquiry is a flop:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-democrats-impeachment-bombshells-arent-exploding/2019/11/19/7322f0b0-0b22-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html

As we enter week two of the House impeachment inquiry, it seems pretty clear that Democrats are suffering a massive ordnance failure. Their “bombshells” are not exploding. 

The first unexploded bombshell came when acting ambassador to Ukraine William B. Taylor Jr. testified that a member of his embassy staff had overhead a cellphone conversation between President Trump and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, in a Kyiv restaurant in which Trump discussed the need for Ukrainian officials to pursue “investigations.” Aha, Democrats cried! A firsthand witness could now testify they heard Trump pressing the Ukrainians for investigations.

Um, so what? Trump had already released a rough transcript of his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which he had pressed him for investigations. The overheard call told us nothing we did not already know. Indeed, the only one likely to get in trouble from this revelation is Sondland, who violated operational security by calling the president in public on an unsecure cellphone.

 

How about former Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch’s testimony? We learned that Trump fired her without explanation (which as president he had every right to do) and besmirched her reputation. Yes, Trump treated her horribly, but being a jerk is not an impeachable offense.

Then, as though to prove the point, Trump attacked her on Twitter as she was testifying, writing, “Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad.” Democrats pounced, trying to turn Trump’s blunder into a new charge of “witness intimidation.” Please. Witness intimidation is defined as “the threatening of a crucial court witnesses by pressure or extortion to compel him/her to not to testify.” Yovanovitch had already been fired as ambassador and was in the process of testifying. No bombshell there, either.

Then on Tuesday, Democrats asked Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman about his assertion that Zelensky had mentioned “Burisma” in his call with Trump, even though the word was not in the transcript released to the public. The suggestion was that the transcript had been doctored. Vindman testified that it was “not a significant omission” and that the career staff who produce the transcripts simply “didn’t catch the word.” In other words, there was no bombshell scrubbing of the transcript.

They got nothing damaging from Vice President Pence’s Eurasia adviser Jennifer Williams, who testified Tuesday morning that investigations never came up in Pence’s meeting with Zelensky in Warsaw. They got nothing from former special envoy Kurt Volker or former National Security Council staffer Tim Morrison on Tuesday afternoon. So after three days of hearings, Democrats have failed to produce anything remotely explosive. 

That means they are losing. Polls show the vast majority of Americans agree with Vindman that the Trump-Zelensky call “was inappropriate.” They agreed with Vindman before he testified. But only a minority of Americans say Trump’s conduct warrants impeachment and removal. And the hearings are not changing their minds. Indeed, support for the impeachment inquiry has ticked down since the hearings began, as has the number of Americans tuning in to watch.

its funny you say wapo thinks