Official President Trump Impeachment Inquiry Thread

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

18 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

You mean with all the laws in place and the federal government and the press watching Trumps every move somehow he is doing something underhanded? You guys have to make up your mind whether Trump is an idiot or a genius. You keep playing it both ways.

I don't think that makes him a genius at all, I think a lot of people just like to ignore it or say it's not a big deal.  I wonder if it would be as big of deal if it were someone else as President.  Nothing seems to be a big deal to conservatives all of a sudden now that Trump is President.  Not even the deficit is a big deal now but I remember it was not too long ago that it seemed to be a huge deal.  I don't get the standards some of you set.

[Cdub100 3,384]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not lying.  Just because he's not running those businesses does not mean he is not the owner of them.  Trump owns them through a revocable trust which is controlled by his son and Trump is the sole beneficiary of them.

No you're lying. It's what liars do. You've been lying all through this thread. The trust is controlled by his son. He does not have any say in the day to day business. So what if he's the sole beneficiary? That's not a crime or even slightly wrong. It's pretty clear becoming president was one of the worst things DJT could do for his bottom line. 

Tell us another lie.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

Just now, drobeski said:

Nope, nope and nope. 

Why though?  Conflict of interest was one of my biggest concerns when he was elected.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

No you're lying. It's what liars do. You've been lying all through this thread. The trust is controlled by his son. He does not have any say in the day to day business. So what if he's the sole beneficiary? That's not a crime or even slightly wrong. It's pretty clear becoming president was one of the worst things DJT could do for his bottom line. 

Tell us another lie.

Is the info from this article incorrect?  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/17/us/politics/trump-emoluments-money.html

If it is do you have a link to something that proves it wrong?  I am not trying to lie here.  If I am wrong let me know with the correct info and I will admit I was wrong. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

FBG has a multi page thread on the emoluments BS. I'm sure Shonuff is all over it. 

[lickin_starfish 1,482]

Trump's businesses and wealth are the reasons that he's the first President that doesn't bow down to lobbyists. He didn't enter politics to get rich, he already was rich.

The opposite of Obama, Biden, and Clintons.

[Strike 3,979]

16 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Doesn't that fall in line with the emoluments clause though?  Shouldn't that be a cause for concern?  Isn't that also a huge conflict of interest problem?

No.  That's why he has to create a trust to run the businesses, just like OTHER politicians do with their investments.  It's NO different.  Quit it.  This is the dumbest line of reasoning we've had on this board in a long time Newbie.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

6 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Trump's businesses and wealth are the reasons that he's the first President that doesn't bow down to lobbyists. He didn't enter politics to get rich, he already was rich.

The opposite of Obama, Biden, and Clintons.

That's what some believe.  I happen to think he's making a lot of money with his businesses because of his Presidency now.  If anything, this is even more worldwide publicity and branding for him.  That's just how I feel, I could be wrong.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

Just now, Strike said:

No.  That's why he has to create a trust to run the businesses, just like OTHER politicians do with their investments.  It's NO different.  Quit it.  This is the dumbest line of reasoning we've had on this board in a long time Newbie.

How is this the dumbest line of reasoning?  It's a legit discussion.  Why do you feel the need to act like an a-hole instead of having an honest conversation?

[Strike 3,979]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

How is this the dumbest line of reasoning?  It's a legit discussion.  Why do you feel the need to act like an a-hole instead of having an honest conversation?

It's not a legit discussion.  You act like other politicians don't have investments that could create a conflict of interest.  They do.  And that's why politicians distance themselves from those investments when they take public office.  Trump did that.  Go back to FBG's Newbie.  Your act is old.

[lickin_starfish 1,482]

If Trump saved a puppy from an alligator, Hawkeye would see it as Trump making the alligator starve. He sees things through his MSM glasses.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

16 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

If Trump saved a puppy from an alligator, Hawkeye would see it as Trump making the alligator starve. He sees things through his MSM glasses.

Not true.  You guys really think you have me figured out, don't you?  Sorry for trying to have a real discussion here.

[IGotWorms 3,317]

On August 28, President Zelensky’s aide, Andrey Yermak, texted Ambassador Volker a news story entitled, "Trump Holds Up Ukraine Military Aid Meant to Confront Russia":

[8/29/19, 2:28:19 AM] Andrey Yermak: Need to talk with you

[8/29/19, 3:06:14 AM] Andrey Yermak: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia- 1689531

[8/29/19, 6:55:04 AM] Kurt Volker: Hi Andrey - absolutely. When is good for you?

 

 

On September 1, Ambassador Taylor sought clarification of the requirements for a White House visit: 7

[9/1/19, 12:08:57 PM] Bill Taylor: Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?

[9/1/19, 12:42:29 PM] Gordon Sondland: Call me

 

 

On September 9, 2019, Ambassador Taylor and Ambassador Sondland had the following exchange regarding the withholding of military assistance to Ukraine:

[9/9/19, 12:31:06 AM] Bill Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.

[9/9/19, 12:34:44 AM] Bill Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this interview, Gordon.

[9/9/19, 12:37:16 AM] Gordon Sondland: Bill, I never said I was “right”. I said we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward. Lets hope it works.

[9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] Bill Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

42 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think that makes him a genius at all, I think a lot of people just like to ignore it or say it's not a big deal.  I wonder if it would be as big of deal if it were someone else as President.  Nothing seems to be a big deal to conservatives all of a sudden now that Trump is President.  Not even the deficit is a big deal now but I remember it was not too long ago that it seemed to be a huge deal.  I don't get the standards some of you set.

Are you saying the debt is now a big deal to you? It all works both ways.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

Are you saying the debt is now a big deal to you? It all works both ways.

I think it's concerning.  I thought it was concerning when Obama made it skyrocket as well.  I was happy to see him lower again while in office.  Not a fan at Trump doing it the way he is now.

[drobeski 3,061]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Not true.  You guys really think you have me figured out, don't you?  Sorry for trying to have a real discussion here.

If you wanted a real discussion,  you'd express your concern that Biden as vice president withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating the company his son worked for within 6 hours, and bragged about it. You'd be concerned that the Obama administration and the DNC seemed help to get dirt on trump from Ukraine in order to affect our election. 

You'd be concerned that john Kerry's kid and Nancy Pelosis kid raked in millions from Ukriane while their parents held influential high profile government positions. 

Yet none of those facts bother you trump haters.  Infact you think looking into them is a crime. You're hacks and there's  no way around it. 

[IGotWorms 3,317]

This bill taylor fella is going to be an interesting witness 

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

Just now, drobeski said:

If you wanted a real discussion,  you'd express your concern that Biden s vice president withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating the company his son worked for within 6 hours, and bragged about it. You'd be concerned that the Obama administration and the DNC seemed help to get dirt on trump from Ukraine in order to affect our election. 

You'd be concerned that john Kerry's kid and Nancy Pelosis kid raked in millions from Ukriane while their parents held influential high profile government positions. 

Yet none of those facts bother you trump haters.  Infact you think looking into them is a crime. You're hacks and there's  no way around it. 

Why?  Biden isn't the President.   I don't care about Biden.  I'm not going to vote for Biden.  I don't think Biden will be President.

You have no idea what bothers me about those other people.  I don't voice my opinion about them because I don't care as much about them.  My concern is about our current President.  I want him gone and I don't care if another republican is President because I don't care about parties.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

This bill taylor fella is going to be an interesting witness 

Seems clear he was one of the whistleblowers. 

[drobeski 3,061]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why?  Biden isn't the President.   I don't care about Biden.  I'm not going to vote for Biden.  I don't think Biden will be President.

You have no idea what bothers me about those other people.  I don't voice my opinion about them because I don't care as much about them.  My concern is about our current President.  I want him gone and I don't care if another republican is President because I don't care about parties.

Who cares what you care about? 

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

Who cares what you care about? 

Who cares what you care about either.  Who care what anyone cares about?

If you don't care about what I care about why do you guys keep trying to tell me what I think?

[Mike Honcho 4,039]

2 hours ago, drobeski said:

Who made millions off of Ukraine 

Clinton foundation , john Kerry's kid, Nancy Pelosis kid, Bidens kid. There are probably many more. 

Who else ? 

This is what this is all about. Preventing exposure of their crimes. Its always been that. 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

It's true that druggie Hunter os a symptom of the left corruption in Ukraine. No one can deny it. Will he bring it all down?

Sort of like the Nephew in Casino that was "too incompetent". As worthless as on a bull. It all came crumbling down because of him.

[Mr. Hand 482]

24 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Who cares what you care about either.  Who care what anyone cares about?

If you don't care about what I care about why do you guys keep trying to tell me what I think?

Why do you post here? You said very nasty generalizations about the posters here at FFGuys. 

[Mr. Hand 482]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

FBG has a multi page thread on the emoluments BS. I'm sure Shonuff is all over it. 

He’s stirring the pot in almost every thread and the mods support it.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

Just now, Mr. Hand said:

Why do you post here? You said very nasty generalizations about the posters here at FFGuys. 

I did?  Seemed pretty accurate.  I never said anything about posters themselves, just the comments that get posted here.

I come here to hear different points of view.  It's how I learn more about things.  I'm open to changing my opinion on things if I see a solid argument.  Hearing the same things I already agree with over and over again is not what I want.  I don't think it's very smart to be too dug into the same opinions either.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

1 minute ago, Mr. Hand said:

He’s stirring the pot in almost every thread and the mods support it.

You guys are ridiculous.  How do you sit back saying the same stuff, just on the other side of opinion, and think that you're not guilty of what you complain about?  The Trump supporters on FBG complain all the time about others stirring the pot yet they do it ALL THE TIME.  They are just as guilty.

[Mr. Hand 482]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I did?

Yes, you did. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,527]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I did?  Seemed pretty accurate.  I never said anything about posters themselves, just the comments that get posted here.

I come here to hear different points of view.  It's how I learn more about things.  I'm open to changing my opinion on things if I see a solid argument.  Hearing the same things I already agree with over and over again is not what I want.  I don't think it's very smart to be too dug into the same opinions either.

As I said earlier, you can't say "people post racist comments at FFToday" and pretend that you weren't calling posters racist.  You clearly and knowingly implied that without directly saying "posters are racists at FFToday".

[Mr. Hand 482]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You guys are ridiculous.  How do you sit back saying the same stuff, just on the other side of opinion, and think that you're not guilty of what you complain about?  The Trump supporters on FBG complain all the time about others stirring the pot yet they do it ALL THE TIME.  They are just as guilty.

Wrong. Have a good weekend and good luck to Iowa today.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

As I said earlier, you can't say "people post racist comments at FFToday" and pretend that you weren't calling posters racist.  You clearly implied that without directly saying "posters are racists at FFToday".

You have no idea what my intent was.  I said comments for a reason instead of posters.  There is no denying that there are a lot of racist, homophobic and sexist comments made in the Geek Club.  I'm sure most of it is jokingly but there is a lot of it, that's not a lie or generalization.  It's all right here for everyone to see.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Hand said:

Wrong. Have a good weekend and good luck to Iowa today.

Thanks!  Big game today.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,527]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You have no idea what my intent was.  I said comments for a reason instead of posters.  There is no denying that there are a lot of racist, homophobic and sexist comments made in the Geek Club.  I'm sure most of it is jokingly but there is a lot of it, that's not a lie or generalization.  It's all right here for everyone to see.

You posted this at FBG which you KNEW what the reaction was going to be.  The implication was plain and obvious, regardless of what your "intent" was.  You seriously think the lefty zealots at FBG were trying to understand your intent?  No, they didn't.  They ran with your implied indictment and gave them the confirmation bias they love.  You simply gave them the red meat they wanted and never clarified your "intent". 

Hey, listen, you can do whatever you want.  I'm just saying don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You posted this at FBG which you KNEW what the reaction was going to be.  The implication was plain and obvious, regardless of what your "intent" was.  You seriously think the lefty zealots at FBG were trying to understand your intent?  No, they didn't.  They ran with your implied indictment and gave them the confirmation bias they love.  You simply gave them the red meat they wanted and never clarified your "intent". 

You can think what ever you want.  I don't even think my comment turned into much of a discussion over there.  Most of them already know what the content is like here. I don't know why you're so upset over it.  You all seem to have nasty things to say about the content being posted on FBG but for some reason can't handle when something gets said about the content here.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,527]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You can think what ever you want.  I don't even think my comment turned into much of a discussion over there.  Most of them already know what the content is like here. I don't know why you're so upset over it.  You all seem to have nasty things to say about the content being posted on FBG but for some reason can't handle when something gets said about the content here.

I'm not upset about it. 

 

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm not upset about it. 

 

Maybe it didn't upset you but it obviously triggered you to make a comment about me and what you think my intent was.  Members here talk trash about FBG almost every day, I would think they could take a little flack occasionally.  Rarely does anyone on FBG mention this site.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 2,527]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Maybe it didn't upset you but it obviously triggered you to make a comment about me and what you think my intent was.  Members here talk trash about FBG almost every day, I would think they could take a little flack occasionally.  Rarely does anyone on FBG mention this site.

My issue was the fact that you think your "intent" was clearly obvious, which it wasn't.  What was evident was that you basically called everyone over here racists/bigots, etc... and are trying to pretend that your post was innocent about all that, KNOWING how far left that forum leans.

[Hawkeye21 1,855]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

My issue was the fact that you think your "intent" was clearly obvious, which it wasn't.  What was evident was that you basically called everyone over here racists/bigots, etc... and are trying to pretend that your post was innocent about all that, KNOWING how far left that forum leans.

I told people what gets posted here.  I did not make up anything or make any generalizations.  What I said is exactly what gets posted here, a lot actually.  It's up for them to determine whether they think people here are racist or not.  I have not once called anyone here a racist.

[Cdub100 3,384]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

On August 28, President Zelensky’s aide, Andrey Yermak, texted Ambassador Volker a news story entitled, "Trump Holds Up Ukraine Military Aid Meant to Confront Russia":

[8/29/19, 2:28:19 AM] Andrey Yermak: Need to talk with you

[8/29/19, 3:06:14 AM] Andrey Yermak: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia- 1689531

[8/29/19, 6:55:04 AM] Kurt Volker: Hi Andrey - absolutely. When is good for you?

 

 

On September 1, Ambassador Taylor sought clarification of the requirements for a White House visit: 7

[9/1/19, 12:08:57 PM] Bill Taylor: Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?

[9/1/19, 12:42:29 PM] Gordon Sondland: Call me

 

 

On September 9, 2019, Ambassador Taylor and Ambassador Sondland had the following exchange regarding the withholding of military assistance to Ukraine:

[9/9/19, 12:31:06 AM] Bill Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.

[9/9/19, 12:34:44 AM] Bill Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this interview, Gordon.

[9/9/19, 12:37:16 AM] Gordon Sondland: Bill, I never said I was “right”. I said we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward. Lets hope it works.

[9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] Bill Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

Why didn't you post the full text message? Why did you leave out a very important text from 9/19/19 5:19:35am?

It's because you're a focking hack and a POS. What's it like to be a useful idiot?

 

https://i.redd.it/u0yyl5vwxiq31.jpg

[drobeski 3,061]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Why didn't you post the full text message? Why did you leave out a very important text from 9/19/19 5:19:35am?

It's because you're a focking hack and a POS. What's it like to be a useful idiot?

 

https://i.redd.it/u0yyl5vwxiq31.jpg

Sounds like this Bill Taylor just another weasel who's part of another attempted orchestrated set up that these losers really suck at.