Intense Observer 344 Posted January 8, 2020 https://www.lawfareblog.com/trump-administration-reaps-what-obama-administration-sowed-iran-deal Some background on the Iran deal with regards to how it was put together without congressional approval. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted January 8, 2020 Here's my take on this whole thing. All we here is that this fuckchop was the second most powerful man in Iran. I believe he became the most powerful man and Iran could no longer control him. They had the US take him out because they could not do it themselves and survive politically. They pretend to be all mad and shiot, shoot some blanks at the US bases in Iraq to save face with their supporters. It's all one big focking joke. #Deepstate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,490 Posted January 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, peenie said: Either way: It was their money It was money to pay for our hostages Seems like a sound decision to me. You are correct. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, NorthernVike said: Here's my take on this whole thing. All we here is that this fuckchop was the second most powerful man in Iran. I believe he became the most powerful man and Iran could no longer control him. They had the US take him out because they could not do it themselves and survive politically. They pretend to be all mad and shiot, shoot some blanks at the US bases in Iraq to save face with their supporters. It's all one big focking joke. #Deepstate I can't say this is likely but it not far fetched Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted January 8, 2020 Hussein's love was for the terrorists of this world. He couldn't work fast enough or hard enough to fund that crap in the middle east. And he couldn't bring as much terrorism and American hating people to the US as he wished he could. He caused racial divide, maximized identity politics more than any liberal had ever done, and created a level of hatred in this country that hasn't been seen in this generation. Trump takes out a terrorist and all the libs freak out. Jeez. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Intense Observer said: https://www.lawfareblog.com/trump-administration-reaps-what-obama-administration-sowed-iran-deal Some background on the Iran deal with regards to how it was put together without congressional approval. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/01/was-obamas-1-7-billion-cash-deal-with-iran-prohibited-by-u-s-law/ This also talks a bit about something you omitted, which was the Hague tribunal had indicated that we owed the money and there was a risk of awarding more money if we had further delayed. Speculation, but part of the equation. It wasn't like there wasn't any international oversight. This article also indicates that there was Congressional oversight on this. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Intense Observer said: Pretty much. It was LSU allowing Oklahoma to score garbage time TD to save face in the Peach Bowl Massacre of 2019. Even Iran's Foreign Minister tweeted out that they were done. And that, as they say, is that. Poor lefty WW3 criers. No soup for you. Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted January 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: And that, as they say, is that. Poor lefty WW3 criers. No soup for you. Again. It sucks how so much hate exists in the heart of the left that it drives them to want not only for the US economy to collapse, but for a world war to start up. Fvcking insane. They don't even hide it. They are the real life dark side. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 997 Posted January 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, sderk said: It sucks how so much hate exists in the heart of the left that it drives them to want not only for the US economy to collapse, but for a world war to start up. Fvcking insane. They don't even hide it. They are the real life dark side. Mega dittos from El Rushbo behind the golden EIB microphone... Limbaugh is sderk's God. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted January 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, GobbleDog said: Mega dittos from El Rushbo behind the golden EIB microphone... Limbaugh is sderk's God. Haven't listened to that dude ever. I wouldn't know how to listen to him if I wanted to. And I also know it's typical of the left to say stuff that is not true. Like you are now. I guess Michelangelo Signorile is GobbelDog's God if we are just throwing shlt out there to see if it sticks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,294 Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, sderk said: Hussein's love was for the terrorists of this world. He couldn't work fast enough or hard enough to fund that crap in the middle east. And he couldn't bring as much terrorism and American hating people to the US as he wished he could. He caused racial divide, maximized identity politics more than any liberal had ever done, and created a level of hatred in this country that hasn't been seen in this generation. Trump takes out a terrorist and all the libs freak out. Jeez. 17 minutes ago, sderk said: It sucks how so much hate exists in the heart of the left that it drives them to want not only for the US economy to collapse, but for a world war to start up. Fvcking insane. They don't even hide it. They are the real life dark side. 4 minutes ago, sderk said: Haven't listened to that dude ever. I know who he is, is as far as it goes. I wouldn't know how to listen to him if I wanted to. And I also know it's typical of the left to say stuff that is not true. Like you are now. Well, I've had my fill of irony for the day. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sderk 1,040 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said: Well, I've had my fill of irony for the day. I think you are mixing up the word irony with your boyfriend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Intense Observer said: There is definitely a lot of misinformation and misrepresentation about the money Obama gave $400 million cash on pallets, then 13 $99,000,000 in wire transfers. Yes, the money was technically Iran's, assets frozen in 1979 from a military deal. Plus 37 years interest. However, there was nothing requiring Obama to give the money back in 2016. He could have ignored it like every president since Reagan, and like he himself did for the first 7 years of his presidency. However, Iran had US hostages, taken from a Navy ship. And there was the "nuclear deal" in which Iran was going to cease all nuclear pursuits, wink wink, in exchange for $1.7 billion from the US and something like $100 billion from European countries. Plus favorable economic deals with EU. So you can make the case that the cash was Iran's to begin with, that legally Obama had to return it (because of the Iran nuclear deal). You could also make the case that Obama paid a $1.7 billion ransom for the hostages and that quite a bit of the money would be filtered back to the appropriate subsidiaries and offshore accounts for all those involved. Wow, seems you're forgetting one really important piece of information. There are BILLIONS in dollars in LEGAL COURT JUDGMENTS against IRAN due to their terrorist activities, owed to Americans who were the victims of Iran's actions. They have been unable to collect it. What might have been nice would have been if Obama looked after his own citizens for once and gave them the money. We could have sent Iran a nice card indicating that in lieu of a gift we paid off some of their legal debt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted January 8, 2020 Missiles definitely hit more than a porta-potty in Al-Assad. Heard from coworkers that our hangar was destroyed, but we had enough advance warning to get our aircraft (and personnel) to safety. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Strike said: Wow, seems you're forgetting one really important piece of information. There are BILLIONS in dollars in LEGAL COURT JUDGMENTS against IRAN due to their terrorist activities, owed to Americans who were the victims of Iran's actions. They have been unable to collect it. What might have been nice would have been if Obama looked after his own citizens for once and gave them the money. We could have sent Iran a nice card indicating that in lieu of a gift we paid off some of their legal debt. Depending on who you listen to, that money was paid. If you look at the link that I provided above, it has more of those details as well. I doubt they paid what they owe, but what government does? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted January 8, 2020 Is Trump's speech a half hour late or is he ha;f done and I'm missing it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted January 8, 2020 Oh, here he is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Intense Observer said: https://www.lawfareblog.com/trump-administration-reaps-what-obama-administration-sowed-iran-deal Some background on the Iran deal with regards to how it was put together without congressional approval. Take Lawfare with a grain of salt. They're part of the Deepstate Coup. While the deal wasn't approved by Congress they probably put a spin on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted January 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Depending on who you listen to, that money was paid. If you look at the link that I provided above, it has more of those details as well. I doubt they paid what they owe, but what government does? Can't read your link. Site says I have it ad blocked despite the fact that I've whitelisted it. Anyways, I'm not familiar with this source, but it seems credible and has links to court judgments. According to it, Iran still owes $53 BILLION: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2016/05/06/iran-still-owes-53-billion-in-unpaid-u-s-court-judgments-to-american-victims-of-iranian-terrorism/#_ftn6 Here's a more well known source indicating similar numbers: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/us/politics/terrorism-foreign-governments-lawsuits-iran-nuclear-deal.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,552 Posted January 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Depending on who you listen to, that money was paid. If you look at the link that I provided above, it has more of those details as well. I doubt they paid what they owe, but what government does? So I read the link and all of the information backing up the money being paid was from the Obama Administration. That's WaPo's proof. Well, considering the source was the Obama Administration, I find it not credible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Strike said: Wow, seems you're forgetting one really important piece of information. There are BILLIONS in dollars in LEGAL COURT JUDGMENTS against IRAN due to their terrorist activities, owed to Americans who were the victims of Iran's actions. They have been unable to collect it. What might have been nice would have been if Obama looked after his own citizens for once and gave them the money. We could have sent Iran a nice card indicating that in lieu of a gift we paid off some of their legal debt. I don't know much about that other than some info in the link from Patriots guy above. Sounds like up to $400 million was paid to the victims. Not sure what else is owed or where the payments come from. Do you have any info to share? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted January 8, 2020 Seems like sanctions are the extent of it for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 8, 2020 Trump's speech is basically recapping Iran aggressions in the region, emphasizing that Iran will not get nukes, and calling on the signers of the Iran deal to revoke it (it is up for review this month I believe), calling on NATO to get more involved in Middle East so US can go home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 8, 2020 Sorry CNN and FBG, no WW3. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, Intense Observer said: Trump's speech is basically recapping Iran aggressions in the region, emphasizing that Iran will not get nukes, and calling on the signers of the Iran deal to revoke it (it is up for review this month I believe), calling on NATO to get more involved in Middle East so US can go home. Thanks for the info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted January 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said: Depending on who you listen to, that money was paid. If you look at the link that I provided above, it has more of those details as well. I doubt they paid what they owe, but what government does? If Iran doesn't owe any money, how come a case went all the way up to the SCOTUS regarding people owed money from Iran due to terrorism and trying to collect? And this was in 2018: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/politics/iran-supreme-court-hamas/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,575 Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Intense Observer said: I don't know much about that other than some info in the link from Patriots guy above. Sounds like up to $400 million was paid to the victims. Not sure what else is owed or where the payments come from. Do you have any info to share? To share about what? The 400 million? I don't know or care about $400 million. Iran owes over 50 BILLION. Read the links I've posted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,506 Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, peenie said: Canada would attack us, Mexico would retaliate, Sweden would return fire, if the United States were to bomb their military leader. Ted Cruz needs to shut his loser ass mouth up! He needs to sit and watch Trump do the job he will never get to do. Obama was trying to keep peace. If you notice we didn't have any issues with Iran under Obama's watch. Ted needs to worry about now and stop looking to attack a man who is good and gone living his best life. Ted Cruz needs to worry about his dim future. "We didn't have any issues with Iran under Obamas watch". Wow. Just wow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,251 Posted January 8, 2020 I think Iran tested a bomb last night and used an earthquake to mask it. When NOKO did and underground test it was a 5.2 on the Richter scale. Iran had a 4.9 right near their nuclear power plant. And before you say I am chicken little telling people the sky is falling. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128151?fbclid=IwAR0btafnNd5ubwlqB5KHV4l4RHAzb7YDLh9qz1AS4G9Iv5GPT2NfGDycxE0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, Intense Observer said: Sorry CNN and FBG, no WW3. I don't understand this thought process. Who is actually upset their isn't a major war starting? I've seen people upset at Trump because they thought, or still think, he is going to start WW3 but I don't see people upset that it hasn't happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, kilroy69 said: I think Iran tested a bomb last night and used an earthquake to mask it. When NOKO did and underground test it was a 5.2 on the Richter scale. Iran had a 4.9 right near their nuclear power plant. And before you say I am chicken little telling people the sky is falling. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128151?fbclid=IwAR0btafnNd5ubwlqB5KHV4l4RHAzb7YDLh9qz1AS4G9Iv5GPT2NfGDycxE0 Wasn't there two earthquakes in Iran yesterday? Speaking of earthquakes, I saw that Puerto Rico was hit with one yesterday as well. They have been getting crapped on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: I've seen people upset at Trump because they thought, or still think, he is going to start WW3 but I don't see people upset that it hasn't happened. Those people are morons and shouldn't be listened to. And they are terribly upset because they are wrong. They prefer war over that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,490 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: I don't understand this thought process. Who is actually upset their isn't a major war starting? I've seen people upset at Trump because they thought, or still think, he is going to start WW3 but I don't see people upset that it hasn't happened. Trumpers see every event through the lens of whether it helps or hurts Trump. They’ll congratulate Trump for having the balls to stand up to Iran on Monday, then pivot on a dime and laud him for resisting war on Wednesday. The only constant is unwavering loyalty to Trump, whatever he happens to be saying that day, even when he contradicts himself. HTH 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 1,251 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Wasn't there two earthquakes in Iran yesterday? Speaking of earthquakes, I saw that Puerto Rico was hit with one yesterday as well. They have been getting crapped on. I just find it too much of a coincidence. Its like a glitch in the matrix. Made me snap my head back as soon as I saw the news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,914 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, MDC said: Trumpers see every event through the lens of whether it helps or hurts Trump. They’ll congratulate Trump for having the balls to stand up to Iran on Monday, then pivot on a dime and laud him for resisting war on Wednesday. The only constant is unwavering loyalty to Trump, whatever he happens to be saying that day, even when he contradicts himself. HTH Talk about filling an irony quota. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,506 Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, MDC said: Trumpers see every event through the lens of whether it helps or hurts Trump. They’ll congratulate Trump for having the balls to stand up to Iran on Monday, then pivot on a dime and laud him for resisting war on Wednesday. The only constant is unwavering loyalty to Trump, whatever he happens to be saying that day, even when he contradicts himself. HTH Not Tucker Carlson. The one you so eagerly lump in with the administration even though you never bothered to watch. Typical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, TimmySmith said: Those people are morons and shouldn't be listened to. And they are terribly upset because they are wrong. They prefer war over that. I don't see anything wrong with being upset with a President if they thought he was going to get us into a war that they don't agree with. I agree that it's foolish to be upset that it didn't happen though, that's just being petty because of hatred for Trump. I can't imagine there are that many people who prefer war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, MDC said: Trumpers see every event through the lens of whether it helps or hurts Trump. They’ll congratulate Trump for having the balls to stand up to Iran on Monday, then pivot on a dime and laud him for resisting war on Wednesday. The only constant is unwavering loyalty to Trump, whatever he happens to be saying that day, even when he contradicts himself. HTH The same can be said for never-Trumpers as well though. There are all kinds of delusional people out there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted January 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I don't see anything wrong with being upset with a President if they thought he was going to get us into a war that they don't agree with. There is no point in getting upset at your own thoughts. If you do it's a sign of mental illness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted January 8, 2020 32 minutes ago, Strike said: To share about what? The 400 million? I don't know or care about $400 million. Iran owes over 50 BILLION. Read the links I've posted. My reply to you was before I finished reading the thread and saw what you posted. Gracias senor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites