Coronavirus - Doomsday

[dogcows 1,030]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s a great man. Saved a city and a lot of lives. And you ungrateful libtards rag on him. Lots of them live in the city he saved they were too scared shitless to even visit until he cleaned it up. Most effective politician in the last 50 years and least 

He has become a laughingstock. His expiration date passed about a decade ago.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

He has become a laughingstock. His expiration date passed about a decade ago.

Not as bad as Obama has. 

[nobody 2,692]

14 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

In the end, an N95 is the "at least were doing something" for the Healthcare worker.

This is what I think is lost on most people on both sides really.  Masks if used correctly are probably reducing transmission rates by 25%.  In actual use, they're probably reducing rates by 10%.  I think the mask nazis think masks are reducing transmission rates by well over 50%.  

The main purpose of the mask is to give politicians something to point to to say they're doing something.  It's definitely not worth villainizing people who aren't wearing masks.  We should be demanding more effective PPE, but the media hasn't told us that, so we don't know to do it yet.  

We're using the pandemic playbook from 1918 for crying out loud.  

 

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

I just saw this posted by a conservative friend of mine who's a paramedic.

Think on these things ...

How can a disease with 1% (more like 1.98% to 3%) mortality shut down the United States?

There are two problems with this question.

1. It neglects the law of large numbers; and

2. It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.

The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.

Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.

The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?

What about the people who survive?

For every one person who dies:

19 more require hospitalization.

18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.

10 will have permanent lung damage.

3 will have strokes.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.

So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:

3,282,000 people dead.

62,358,000 hospitalized.

59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.

32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.

9,846,000 people with strokes.

6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.

6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.

That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I just saw this posted by a conservative friend of mine who's a paramedic.

Think on these things ...

How can a disease with 1% (more like 1.98% to 3%) mortality shut down the United States?

There are two problems with this question.

1. It neglects the law of large numbers; and

2. It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.

The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.

Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.

The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?

What about the people who survive?

For every one person who dies:

19 more require hospitalization.

18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.

10 will have permanent lung damage.

3 will have strokes.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.

So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:

3,282,000 people dead.

62,358,000 hospitalized.

59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.

32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.

9,846,000 people with strokes.

6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.

6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.

That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.

There is no way your buddy has any definitive proof of what percentages of people are going to have what "permanent" damage as a result of this disease at this point.  Therefore, the entire post is worthless. 

[supermike80 1,931]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I just saw this posted by a conservative friend of mine who's a paramedic.

Think on these things ...

How can a disease with 1% (more like 1.98% to 3%) mortality shut down the United States?

There are two problems with this question.

1. It neglects the law of large numbers; and

2. It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.

The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.

Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.

The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?

What about the people who survive?

For every one person who dies:

19 more require hospitalization.

18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.

10 will have permanent lung damage.

3 will have strokes.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.

So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:

3,282,000 people dead.

62,358,000 hospitalized.

59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.

32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.

9,846,000 people with strokes.

6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.

6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.

That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.

Boy you sure better come with some proof of those facts you just rattled off.  Not  saying they're not true, but there is a while LOT of stuff there.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Strike said:

There is no way your buddy has any definitive proof of what percentages of people are going to have what "permanent" damage as a result of this disease at this point.  Therefore, the entire post is worthless. 

It was obvious he copied and pasted it from someone else.  I'm not sure where the data comes from but it can help put things a little more in perspective.  He's a conservative, Trump supporter who's seen how serious COVID is first hand.

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

It was obvious he copied and pasted it from someone else.  I'm not sure where the data comes from but it can help put things a little more in perspective.  He's a conservative, Trump supporter who's seen how serious COVID is first hand.

You don't know where the data comes from but I should trust it and use it to gain perspective?  Are you focking kidding me? 

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Mortality is well under 1% using every logical measurement. 

[Cdub100 3,934]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I just saw this posted by a conservative friend of mine who's a paramedic.

Think on these things ...

How can a disease with 1% (more like 1.98% to 3%) mortality shut down the United States?

There are two problems with this question.

1. It neglects the law of large numbers; and

2. It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.

The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.

Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.

The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?

What about the people who survive?

For every one person who dies:

19 more require hospitalization.

18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.

10 will have permanent lung damage.

3 will have strokes.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.

2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.

So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:

3,282,000 people dead.

62,358,000 hospitalized.

59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.

32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.

9,846,000 people with strokes.

6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.

6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.

That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.

How does your friend know that?

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

Mortality is well under 1% using every logical measurement. 

It also ignores the fact that no one is saying we shouldn't do anything, which would have to be the case for there to actually be 1% mortality, even if we assume the 1% mortality rate his non sourced data suggests.  Most of us believe we should be taking appropriate precautions for at risk groups, such as the elderly, and let healthy people who statistically aren't at risk live their lives.  That seems reasonable to me.  Apparently I don't have the proper perspective that I should based upon unsourced, unproven data.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

How does your friend know that?

Those nonsense stats are backing out data from the known cases and assumed deaths.  Garbage in and garbage out.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

How does your friend know that?

I already said, he reposted the information.  Could be completely made up.  It made me think about the possible long term effects though.

[Cdub100 3,934]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I already said, he reposted the information.  Could be completely made up.  It made me think about the possible long term effects though.

That's because it is completely made up.

ETA - You're friend is an idiot.

[Cdub100 3,934]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

It also ignores the fact that no one is saying we shouldn't do anything, which would have to be the case for there to actually be 1% mortality, even if we assume the 1% mortality rate his non sourced data suggests.  Most of us believe we should be taking appropriate precautions for at risk groups, such as the elderly, and let healthy people who statistically aren't at risk live their lives.  That seems reasonable to me.  Apparently I don't have the proper perspective that I should based upon unsourced, unproven data.

But hawkeyes friend who is a paramedic posted a meme he found on facebook that you'll have a stroke and lung damage because of COVID.

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

But hawkeyes friend who is a paramedic posted a meme he found on facebook that you'll have a stroke and lung damage because of COVID.

Yeah.  Conveniently missing from the Meme is the millions of people losing their livelihoods over this.  Neither Hawkeye or his paramedic buddy seem to give s sh*t about those people.  Or the people OD'ing or killing themselves because of the lockdowns.  Great people they are.  Really great people.

[Cdub100 3,934]

Just now, Strike said:

Yeah.  Conveniently missing from the Meme is the millions of people losing their livelihoods over this.  Neither Hawkeye or his paramedic buddy seem to give s sh*t about those people.  Or the people OD'ing or killing themselves because of the lockdowns.  Great people they are.  Really great people.

They also don't care about facts, reason, or the truth.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yeah.  Conveniently missing from the Meme is the millions of people losing their livelihoods over this.  Neither Hawkeye or his paramedic buddy seem to give s sh*t about those people.  Or the people OD'ing or killing themselves because of the lockdowns.  Great people they are.  Really great people.

Nice projection there. I have never said anything promoting shutting our country down.  Talk about making up information.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

They also don't care about facts, reason, or the truth.

Such as?  What are the facts or truth?  Strike just made up a nice lie about me not caring about other's livelihoods, but we'll just ignore that. 

[Strike 5,594]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Nice projection there. I have never said anything promoting shutting our country down.  Talk about making up information.

The entire premise of your buddy's post is, and I quote:

Quote

How can a disease with 1% (more like 1.98% to 3%) mortality shut down the United States?

You said his post made you think about it's content.  If that's the case it's reasonable for me to assume you agree with it's premise.  FFS.  Oh right, this is why I don't try to discuss things with you.  You deny the OBVIOUS implications. 

[Strike 5,594]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Such as?  What are the facts or truth?  Strike just made up a nice lie about me not caring about other's livelihoods, but we'll just ignore that. 

Didn't make up anything.  I made a reasonable inference based upon your post.  You can try and deny you meant that all you want, but the inference is more than reasonable.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

The entire premise of your buddy's post is, and I quote:

You said his post made you think about it's content.  If that's the case it's reasonable for me to assume you agree with it's premise.  FFS.  Oh right, this is why I don't try to discuss things with you.  You deny the OBVIOUS implications. 

Then go away.  Pretty simple.

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/12/05/bombshell-johns-hopkins-researcher-says-cdc-data-show-covid-19-has-no-effect-on-percentage-of-death-in-older-people-and-has-not-increased-number-of-u-s-deaths/

[NorthernVike 2,087]

50 minutes ago, Strike said:

There is no way your buddy has any definitive proof of what percentages of people are going to have what "permanent" damage as a result of this disease at this point.  Therefore, the entire post is worthless. 

It's also worthless because not everyone is going to get it. 

[Strike 5,594]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Then go away.  Pretty simple.

Nah, but please don't post crap and pretend it's valid so I don't have to all you out.  At least you acknowledged it was crap when called out.

[drobeski 3,061]

47 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

How does your friend know that?

Dude he put the "conservative" qualifier in there so you wouldn't question it.  So please stop questioning it!

[drobeski 3,061]

29 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yeah.  Conveniently missing from the Meme is the millions of people losing their livelihoods over this.  Neither Hawkeye or his paramedic buddy seem to give s sh*t about those people.  Or the people OD'ing or killing themselves because of the lockdowns.  Great people they are.  Really great people.

Don't worry once that decent guy Joe takes office, he's gonna let us in on his secret magic make the covid go away plan!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

2 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Dude he put the "conservative" qualifier in there so you wouldn't question it.  So please stop questioning it!

Exactly. They think that because they believe everything they are told by their side everyone else does by one of theirs.  Proof of how easily led and feeble these people are. Once side questions things, the other doesn’t. They are perfect little dupes. 

[Strike 5,594]

Just now, drobeski said:

Don't worry once that decent guy Joe takes office, he's gonna let us in on his secret magic make the covid go away plan!

And Cancer.  Don't forget we get the magic cure to Cancer as soon as Joe is inaugurated as well.

[Gladiators 1,995]

3 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Don't worry once that decent guy Joe takes office, he's gonna let us in on his secret magic make the covid go away plan!

Slow Joe is responsible for every COVID death in the world.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

For every one person who dies:

19 more require hospitalization.

3 will have strokes.

 

 

This is a big deal, but the problem is these facebook memes with incorrect data do not help and only hurt when trying to convince people to take this seriously. The numbers can be easily proven wrong and then they reafirm their belief that Covid-19 is not any risk.

I am not going to look up the stats for all of the numbers, but the strokes number you have listed is off by quite a bit.

The reason I chose strokes is because @Cloaca du jour did have a stroke after covid-19.

 

https://www.brainandlife.org/articles/is-there-a-link-between-covid-19-and-stroke/

Strokes affect about 1 to 3 percent of hospitalized COVID-19 patients

 

[drobeski 3,061]

15 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

Slow Joe is responsible for every COVID death in the world.

Funny yet sad thing is, he, his party and many weasel dirty republicans in conjunction and cooperation with their China buddies most likely are.  

Covid and what we've seen with everything up to the election is not a coincidence nor organic.

[Cdub100 3,934]

45 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Such as?  What are the facts or truth?  Strike just made up a nice lie about me not caring about other's livelihoods, but we'll just ignore that. 

You just posted a meme with fake information and to give it authority you said it came from a friend who is a paramedic. None of it is substantiated.  

[drobeski 3,061]

10 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You just posted a meme with fake information and to give it authority you said it came from a friend who is a paramedic. None of it is substantiated.  

But he is a "conservative" paramedic.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

25 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

This is a big deal, but the problem is these facebook memes with incorrect data do not help and only hurt when trying to convince people to take this seriously. The numbers can be easily proven wrong and then they reafirm their belief that Covid-19 is not any risk.

I am not going to look up the stats for all of the numbers, but the strokes number you have listed is off by quite a bit.

The reason I chose strokes is because @Cloaca du jour did have a stroke after covid-19.

 

https://www.brainandlife.org/articles/is-there-a-link-between-covid-19-and-stroke/

Strokes affect about 1 to 3 percent of hospitalized COVID-19 patients

 

The stat cleverly relates strokes to deaths, not to hospitalizations.  It's a fraud stat.

[lod001 1,344]

 

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It was obvious he copied and pasted it from someone else.  I'm not sure where the data comes from but it can help put things a little more in perspective.  He's a conservative, Trump supporter who's seen how serious COVID is first hand.

A friend of mine is a nurse. Discussed covid last night. He doesn't share this same bullshit. I asked him how many truly healthy people have come into the ICU where he works with covid. ZERO. He said all of them are seriously unhealthy to begin with. 

I'll leave this gem that I already told ya all about. 'Everyone is listed as a covid death, even though you actually died of something else.'

 

[Gladiators 1,995]

1 minute ago, lod001 said:

 

A friend of mine is a nurse. Discussed covid last night. He doesn't share this same bullshit.

 

You're friends with digby IRL?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,515]

2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

 

A friend of mine is a nurse. Discussed covid last night. He doesn't share this same bullshit. I asked him how many truly healthy people have come into the ICU where he works with covid. ZERO. He said all of them are seriously unhealthy to begin with. 

I'll leave this gem that I already told ya all about. 'Everyone is listed as a covid death, even though you actually died of something else.'

 

Where my libtards at? 

[Cdub100 3,934]

17 minutes ago, drobeski said:

But he is a "conservative" paramedic.  

Oh right to try and give his argument weight he pulls the friend in medical field, AND he's conservative. So you guys should totally believe it.

What a loser.