TimmySmith 2,782 Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Reality said: Yeah, ok. It surprises me he doesn't see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,906 Posted September 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, Casual Observer said: Yes, you posted some data earlier from Arkansas that predicted that cases/deaths would go down in mid September and they are. That was an unintended consequence of your posting of that data, but since the cases/deaths are going down and I do not believe that this virus, in any and all of its variants, discriminates by State, then we should be on the downside of our recent spike in cases. Maybe, but I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The southern states started increasing earlier, and also had kids go back to school sooner (a month ago in some cases) whereas many schools in the northeast just started last week. I’d also be careful with jumping to any conclusions about cases from the past week or so due to the Labor Day holiday. Nationally, the daily deaths are skewed by Florida, who currently accounts for over 20% of the daily deaths but is basically reporting deaths with about a 2-week delay. But again, I hope you’re right and cases/deaths are or will soon be on the decline! The big question is will we see another winter wave... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, TimHauck said: The big question is will we see another winter wave... We absolutely will, since the flu no longer exists. C'mon man, try to keep up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,906 Posted September 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Reality said: We absolutely will, since the flu no longer exists. “What a stupid response...expected though” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, TimHauck said: “What a stupid response...expected though” Right, cuz the flu is solved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Reality said: Right, cuz the flu is solved. iT wuZ dA mAskS!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Fireballer said: iT wuZ dA mAskS!!! No doubt, especially when your test can't tell the difference between Covid and the flu. Like, that was actually a thing.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casual Observer 597 Posted September 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Maybe, but I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The southern states started increasing earlier, and also had kids go back to school sooner (a month ago in some cases) whereas many schools in the northeast just started last week. I’d also be careful with jumping to any conclusions about cases from the past week or so due to the Labor Day holiday. Nationally, the daily deaths are skewed by Florida, who currently accounts for over 20% of the daily deaths but is basically reporting deaths with about a 2-week delay. But again, I hope you’re right and cases/deaths are or will soon be on the decline! The big question is will we see another winter wave... So a spike in Arkansas at a time when school was not in has some bearing on the data you posted that predicted a decline in Covid cases/deaths in mid-September? This was not a discussion from a week ago. You dance around too much, Tim, pretending to answer questions that weren't posed, or to introduce some extraneous facts that supposedly have some bearing on the issue under discussion. Don't you think it's time you took a break from trying to propagandize us neanderthals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, Casual Observer said: So a spike in Arkansas at a time when school was not in has some bearing on the data you posted that predicted a decline in Covid cases/deaths in mid-September? This was not a discussion from a week ago. You dance around too much, Tim, pretending to answer questions that weren't posed, or to introduce some extraneous facts that supposedly have some bearing on the issue under discussion. Don't you think it's time you took a break from trying to propagandize us neanderthals? It's all semantics with that dude, boring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,906 Posted September 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Reality said: Right, cuz the flu is solved. 17 minutes ago, Reality said: No doubt, especially when your test can't tell the difference between Covid and the flu. Like, that was actually a thing.... No dude, you just can't read. That "notice" you're alluding to was recommending to simply use a different test that could test for BOTH flu and covid rather than 2 different tests (https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html), it wasn't saying flu tests positive for covid. Not to mention that was only referring to 1 specific PCR test, we obviously are still using many others. And we still tested for flu last year anyway, but I believe the positivity rate was less than 1%. You may be right on one thing though that maybe we will see a wave of flu in the fall/winter. But it won't show up in the covid numbers. 30 minutes ago, Fireballer said: iT wuZ dA mAskS!!! I think it mostly social distancing and people staying home. Which is why we probably will (and already have) seen flu and other respiratory viruses return this fall/winter, due to less social distancing this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I think it mostly social distancing and people staying home. Which is why we probably will (and already have) seen flu and other respiratory viruses return this fall/winter, due to less social distancing this year. Yep. Hard to catch something you're literally not close enough to catch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted September 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I think it mostly social distancing and people staying home. Which is why we probably will (and already have) seen flu and other respiratory viruses return this fall/winter, due to less social distancing this year. I didn't stay home 1 day the whole last year and a half+. You're welcome. And i feel Marvelous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, Utilit99 said: I didn't stay home 1 day the whole last year and a half+. You're welcome. And i feel Marvelous. I have to agree with Tim on this one. I bet you prob didnt get sick alot even pre-Covid. For the people that did regularly get sick, that number was reduced by physically being farther away from other sick people or absent from the environment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huskyhater75 242 Posted September 13, 2021 Cracks me up how all the trumpsters (especially in sec country) are too dumb to get there shots (morons believe all the trump BS about the virus), then when they DO get sick they come a-whining about it. Pathetic losers. "It'll go away then the weather gets warmer" "Injest some Lysol somehow into your lungs and it will go away". "It's all a hoax"...........................quotes from don chump, WORST president EVER Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,929 Posted September 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, huskyhater75 said: Cracks me up how all the trumpsters (especially in sec country) are too dumb to get there shots (morons believe all the trump BS about the virus), then when they DO get sick they come a-whining about it. Pathetic losers. "It'll go away then the weather gets warmer" "Injest some Lysol somehow into your lungs and it will go away". "It's all a hoax"...........................quotes from don chump, WORST president EVER Now do black people. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,906 Posted September 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Casual Observer said: So a spike in Arkansas at a time when school was not in has some bearing on the data you posted that predicted a decline in Covid cases/deaths in mid-September? This was not a discussion from a week ago. Why do you keep bringing up "predicting a decline in cases/deaths in mid-September"? Looks like most of our discussion about Arkansas was in this thread (starting around page 6), and you were harping on predicting a decline in September then too - As you allude to, their cases started increasing in mid June, so I'm not sure that having them decline in September is some sort of accomplishment, especially considering how high they got (~75% of winter peak). The point about school openings is that I believe the current peak of cases in several states (including Arkansas) has happened right around when the majority of schools opened. So if the two are related, then the northeast may be about 3-4 weeks behind the south at least in terms of cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted September 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, huskyhater75 said: (morons believe all the trump BS about the virus), Wrong...just like every time you pop in here every 6 months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huskyhater75 242 Posted September 13, 2021 Sure he says it when it's too late! He downplayed the virus for the first month it was in the US! PLUS Mrs Doubtfire claimed the virus was almost gone when he left office-the last day he was in office there were 240,000 new cases! Yeah I've not been around lately, took a 5 month vacation, kinda forgot about leeches, trumpsters, and things like that. It amazes me how "they" believe whatever he spews. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casual Observer 597 Posted September 13, 2021 7 hours ago, TimHauck said: Why do you keep bringing up "predicting a decline in cases/deaths in mid-September"? Looks like most of our discussion about Arkansas was in this thread (starting around page 6), and you were harping on predicting a decline in September then too - As you allude to, their cases started increasing in mid June, so I'm not sure that having them decline in September is some sort of accomplishment, especially considering how high they got (~75% of winter peak). The point about school openings is that I believe the current peak of cases in several states (including Arkansas) has happened right around when the majority of schools opened. So if the two are related, then the northeast may be about 3-4 weeks behind the south at least in terms of cases. I keep "harping" on a decline in mid-September? That was from a graph you either posted or adopted as great data. It shows the spike in cases/deaths falling off in mid-September as a natural occurrence. This fall-off did not and does not justify the hysteria peddled by some about an increase in cases/deaths. I did not allude to when the spike began. I don't think these spikes have anything to do with schools and this is you talking out of your a55 again. Schools were open for in person instruction "in the Northeast" in Winter 2020-2021. Arkansas in August 2020: August 24, 2020: Schools in Arkansas reopened to in-person instruction.[19] The Arkansas Center for Health Improvement announced that district-level data on testing rates and active coronavirus cases would be made available online.[20] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356 Posted September 13, 2021 5 hours ago, huskyhater75 said: Sure he says it when it's too late! He downplayed the virus for the first month it was in the US! PLUS Mrs Doubtfire claimed the virus was almost gone when he left office-the last day he was in office there were 240,000 new cases! Yeah I've not been around lately, took a 5 month vacation, kinda forgot about leeches, trumpsters, and things like that. It amazes me how "they" believe whatever he spews. And you believe everything Joe says even if you can’t understand it. Probably think Afghanistan is trumps fault too. And high gas prices and inflation and global cooling err warming err climate change. Do you think if we were sheep to listen to everything Trump says then we would’ve got the Trump vaccine by now don’t you. He never said anything about Lysol he never said the China virus was a hoax but keep listening to your MS NBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted September 13, 2021 Mooney leaves and suddenly Husky shows. Rusty needs some of Joe's dementia Rocky Road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted September 13, 2021 11 hours ago, Reality said: We absolutely will, since the flu no longer exists. C'mon man, try to keep up. The flu came back strong here this school year. Now that they are not requiring face masks there have been a lot of kids getting sick. I haven't noticed any major changes in Covid numbers though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted September 13, 2021 10 hours ago, huskyhater75 said: Cracks me up how all the trumpsters (especially in sec country) are too dumb to get there shots (morons believe all the trump BS about the virus), then when they DO get sick they come a-whining about it. Pathetic losers. "It'll go away then the weather gets warmer" "Injest some Lysol somehow into your lungs and it will go away". "It's all a hoax"...........................quotes from don chump, WORST president EVER I can't stand Trump and I haven't gotten the shot yet. From what I've seen, Trump has actually been telling his supporters to get the vaccine. The majority of people I know who don't want to get the shot just don't trust it or our government. I'm not getting it because I've already had Covid and I don't feel the need to get a shot that's going to make be feel like crap. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted September 13, 2021 11 hours ago, huskyhater75 said: Cracks me up how all the trumpsters (especially in sec country) are too dumb to get there shots (morons believe all the trump BS about the virus), then when they DO get sick they come a-whining about it. Pathetic losers. "It'll go away then the weather gets warmer" "Injest some Lysol somehow into your lungs and it will go away". "It's all a hoax"...........................quotes from don chump, WORST president EVER The liberal is triggered yet again. These douches never quit making fools of themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,906 Posted September 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Casual Observer said: I keep "harping" on a decline in mid-September? That was from a graph you either posted or adopted as great data. It shows the spike in cases/deaths falling off in mid-September as a natural occurrence. This fall-off did not and does not justify the hysteria peddled by some about an increase in cases/deaths. I did not allude to when the spike began. I don't think these spikes have anything to do with schools and this is you talking out of your a55 again. Schools were open for in person instruction "in the Northeast" in Winter 2020-2021. Arkansas in August 2020: August 24, 2020: Schools in Arkansas reopened to in-person instruction.[19] The Arkansas Center for Health Improvement announced that district-level data on testing rates and active coronavirus cases would be made available online.[20] Yes, you keep harping on a decline in mid-September. You posted a link (which proved me right that hospitalizations in Arkansas were as high as they had ever been in the pandemic) and then immediately started talking about the link's projections. But I'm still not sure what you're getting at, because deaths/hospitalizations eventually dropped that doesn't mean it was bad previously? Yes, what goes up must eventually come back down. Sometimes I truly feel like the GC is an alternate universe. You're over here claiming that even though deaths got to 75% of their prior peak in Arkansas which put Arkansas in the top 10 states in deaths/million, it was NBD because they eventually came back down. Meanwhile TimmySmith says it's "alarming" that Massachusetts deaths are at 11% of their winter peak (and 5% of their spring 2020 peak). Probably not the sole reason of course, but there has definitely been a relationship between schools opening and increasing cases in many areas (arguably including Arkansas in 2020), even if the cases end up just being the kids and the increase is really just due to testing (and in many cases the kids weren't actually getting it at school). Many schools in the northeast were NOT 100% in person at the start of the 2020-2021 year. But as alluded to earlier, this year in Arkansas it's possible that cases didn't continue to rise after school opened because they had already been rising for so long (~2 months). You're correct, Arkansas pushed back the start of school...LAST YEAR - https://www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/outreach/back-to-school/arkansas-to-begin-upcoming-school-year-august-24/527-be8f69d2-4a58-4337-a603-355e91a58b66#:~:text=— Governor Asa Hutchinson announced Thursday,later than August 26%2C 2020. "The school year was originally set to begin on August 13, 2020." Which is when I believe most started this year (I think some started even earlier), and was right around when their recent peak in cases was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,703 Posted September 13, 2021 Congress exempt from Biden’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate https://www.foxnews.com/politics/congress-exempt-biden-covid-19-vaccine-mandate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 13, 2021 14 hours ago, TimHauck said: No dude, you just can't read. That "notice" you're alluding to was recommending to simply use a different test that could test for BOTH flu and covid rather than 2 different tests (https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html), it wasn't saying flu tests positive for covid. Not to mention that was only referring to 1 specific PCR test, we obviously are still using many others. And we still tested for flu last year anyway, but I believe the positivity rate was less than 1%. You may be right on one thing though that maybe we will see a wave of flu in the fall/winter. But it won't show up in the covid numbers. I think it mostly social distancing and people staying home. Which is why we probably will (and already have) seen flu and other respiratory viruses return this fall/winter, due to less social distancing this year. I'm well aware that there's no amount of bullshlt you won't swallow, I didn't need the reminder. Thanks though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Reality said: I'm well aware that there's no amount of bullshlt you won't swallow, I didn't need the reminder. Thanks though. He doesn't get paid for going outside of the parameters for the necessity of the vaccine for everyone. Everything he says boils down to that. There is no critical thinking. All about the vax. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masshole 642 Posted September 13, 2021 14 hours ago, huskyhater75 said: Cracks me up how all the trumpsters (especially in sec country) are too dumb to get there shots (morons believe all the trump BS about the virus), then when they DO get sick they come a-whining about it. Pathetic losers. "It'll go away then the weather gets warmer" "Injest some Lysol somehow into your lungs and it will go away". "It's all a hoax"...........................quotes from don chump, WORST president EVER Solid. Just really solid. Posts about how stupid "other people" are while being unable to handle the grammatical "there", "their", "they're" differentiation. And then posts a bunch of misleading or misquoted "quotes". Someone (I can't remember who, not on this board), said the other day that if Trump was so bad, then why do the people who hate him so much have to keep lying about what he said/did? If he was that bad, shouldn't you just be able to post actual quotes and factual references of things he did/said? I think you were supposed to throw in the "fine people" quote too and say that he said it about Nazis. I am pretty sure that's in the playbook. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,827 Posted September 13, 2021 16 hours ago, TimHauck said: But again, I hope you’re right and cases/deaths are or will soon be on the decline! The big question is will we see another winter wave... I mentioned in some thread recently that AZ is pretty much done with the death peak. https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/data/index.php#deaths That being said I would expect another peak in the winter, because that is when flu-like viruses tend to peak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casual Observer 597 Posted September 13, 2021 4 hours ago, TimHauck said: Yes, you keep harping on a decline in mid-September. You posted a link (which proved me right that hospitalizations in Arkansas were as high as they had ever been in the pandemic) and then immediately started talking about the link's projections. But I'm still not sure what you're getting at, because deaths/hospitalizations eventually dropped that doesn't mean it was bad previously? Yes, what goes up must eventually come back down. Sometimes I truly feel like the GC is an alternate universe. You're over here claiming that even though deaths got to 75% of their prior peak in Arkansas which put Arkansas in the top 10 states in deaths/million, it was NBD because they eventually came back down. Meanwhile TimmySmith says it's "alarming" that Massachusetts deaths are at 11% of their winter peak (and 5% of their spring 2020 peak). Probably not the sole reason of course, but there has definitely been a relationship between schools opening and increasing cases in many areas (arguably including Arkansas in 2020), even if the cases end up just being the kids and the increase is really just due to testing (and in many cases the kids weren't actually getting it at school). Many schools in the northeast were NOT 100% in person at the start of the 2020-2021 year. But as alluded to earlier, this year in Arkansas it's possible that cases didn't continue to rise after school opened because they had already been rising for so long (~2 months). You're correct, Arkansas pushed back the start of school...LAST YEAR - https://www.5newsonline.com/article/news/local/outreach/back-to-school/arkansas-to-begin-upcoming-school-year-august-24/527-be8f69d2-4a58-4337-a603-355e91a58b66#:~:text=— Governor Asa Hutchinson announced Thursday,later than August 26%2C 2020. "The school year was originally set to begin on August 13, 2020." Which is when I believe most started this year (I think some started even earlier), and was right around when their recent peak in cases was. Again , you're purporting to respond to a question nobody asked. No one, especially me, said anything about it "being bad" or not "being bad" previously. The point was the expected decline that was supposed to occur in mid-September actually coming true and that that decline is due to some natural occurrence, not due to vaccination efforts or lack thereof. The Arkansas spike began in Spring of this year and that's what the chart showed. That has nothing to do with in-person instruction beginning in late Summer of 2020. Again, you're muddying the waters and your response by trying to refer some other unquantified spike not shown on the Arkansas chart posted previously. There has not been a spike, or succession of spikes in Arkansas, each worse than the prior one, in Arkansas over the past year. The rest is you talking out of your a55 again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,929 Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Masshole said: Solid. Just really solid. Posts about how stupid "other people" are while being unable to handle the grammatical "there", "their", "they're" differentiation. And then posts a bunch of misleading or misquoted "quotes". Someone (I can't remember who, not on this board), said the other day that if Trump was so bad, then why do the people who hate him so much have to keep lying about what he said/did? If he was that bad, shouldn't you just be able to post actual quotes and factual references of things he did/said? I think you were supposed to throw in the "fine people" quote too and say that he said it about Nazis. I am pretty sure that's in the playbook. Hello 911? Yes, I'd like to report a murder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,906 Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Reality said: I'm well aware that there's no amount of bullshlt you won't swallow, I didn't need the reminder. Thanks though. You really think flu was being marked as covid? LOL I didn't think you were that far gone. Apparently so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, TimHauck said: You really think flu was being marked as covid? LOL I didn't think you were that far gone. Apparently so. Nah, we cured it, much more likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,478 Posted September 13, 2021 18 hours ago, Fireballer said: iT wuZ dA mAskS!!! And social distancing / lockdowns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,906 Posted September 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reality said: Nah, we cured it, much more likely. Even Fireballer agreed, we pretty much stopped the spread via many people social distancing and working and going to school on zoom. And actually staying home when they were sick. But unfortunately, covid is more contagious than flu. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 13, 2021 Definitely Trumpers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,371 Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) Research article published in Nature Published: 09 November 2015 A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations. SHC014-CoV From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search SHC014-CoV Virus classification (unranked): Virus Realm: Riboviria Kingdom: Orthornavirae Phylum: Pisuviricota Class: Pisoniviricetes Order: Nidovirales Family: Coronaviridae Genus: Betacoronavirus Subgenus: Sarbecovirus Species: Severe acute respiratory syndrome–related coronavirus Strain: SHC014-CoV Synonyms[1] Bat SARS-like coronavirus RsSHC014 SHC014-CoV is a SARS-like coronavirus (SL-COV) which infects horseshoe bats (family Rhinolophidae). It was discovered in Kunming County in Yunnan Province, China. It was discovered along with SL-CoV Rs3367, which was the first bat SARS-like coronavirus shown to directly infect a human cell line. The line of Rs3367 that infected human cells was named Bat SARS-like coronavirus WIV1.[2] Contents 1Discovery 2Virology 3Phylogenetic 4See also 5References 6References Discovery From April 2011 to September 2012, researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology collected 117 anal swabs and fecal samples of bats from a Chinese rufous horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus sinicus) colony in Kunming City (Yunnan Province in south-western China). 27 out of 117 samples (23%) contained seven different isolates of SARS-like coronaviruses, among which were two previously unknown, called RsSHC014 and Rs3367.[2] Virology In 2013, bat SARS-like coronavirus Rs3367 was shown to be able to directly infect the human HeLa cell line. It was the first time that human cells had been infected with a bat SARS-like coronavirus in the lab. The strain of Rs3367 that infected the human cells was named “Bat SARS-like coronavirus WIV”.[2] In 2015, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the Wuhan Institute of Virology conducted research showing that SHC014 could be made to infect the human HeLa cell line, through the use of reverse genetics to create a chimeric virus consisting of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS corona-virus.[3][4] The SL-SHC014-MA15 version of the virus, primarily engineered to infect mice, has been shown to differ by over 5,000 nucleotides from SARS-CoV-2, the cause of the COVID-19 pandemic.[5] https://www.kennedy.senate.gov/public/2021/6/kennedy-calls-for-answers-on-nih-ties-to-wuhan-institute-of-virology June 15 2021 WASHINGTON – Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) today urged Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), to give Congress a comprehensive list of NIH grants awarded to Dr. Peter Daszak. Daszak is the president of EcoHealth Alliance, which funneled U.S. tax dollars to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). “Dr. Peter Daszak was the only American citizen involved in the WHO investigation. Reports show that, at the instruction of Dr. Daszak himself, the WHO investigation did not look into information about at least 16,000 previously studied virus samples from a deleted WIV database,” wrote Kennedy. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), an NIH subsidiary, gave a $3.4 million grant to EcoHealth Alliance, a non-governmental organization. EcoHealth Alliance then sent $600,000 from this grant to the WIV. Previously, Daszak had strongly condemned the idea that the pandemic originated in a lab as a “conspiracy theory.” “In light of this troubling constellation of facts, I am requesting the NIH issue a report to Congress with a detailed listing of all of the grants that the NIH or any subsidiary agency, including the NIAID, has given to Dr. Daszak at any point, including details regarding how each grant intended to use that funding. . . . Americans deserve substantive, transparent answers to where the virus originated, what sparked the pandemic, and who may be responsible,” Kennedy concluded. Edited September 14, 2021 by Gepetto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fireballer 2,642 Posted September 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Research article published in Nature Published: 09 November 2015 A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations. SHC014-CoV From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search SHC014-CoV Virus classification (unranked): Virus Realm: Riboviria Kingdom: Orthornavirae Phylum: Pisuviricota Class: Pisoniviricetes Order: Nidovirales Family: Coronaviridae Genus: Betacoronavirus Subgenus: Sarbecovirus Species: Severe acute respiratory syndrome–related coronavirus Strain: SHC014-CoV Synonyms[1] Bat SARS-like coronavirus RsSHC014 SHC014-CoV is a SARS-like coronavirus (SL-COV) which infects horseshoe bats (family Rhinolophidae). It was discovered in Kunming County in Yunnan Province, China. It was discovered along with SL-CoV Rs3367, which was the first bat SARS-like coronavirus shown to directly infect a human cell line. The line of Rs3367 that infected human cells was named Bat SARS-like coronavirus WIV1.[2] Contents 1Discovery 2Virology 3Phylogenetic 4See also 5References 6References Discovery From April 2011 to September 2012, researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology collected 117 anal swabs and fecal samples of bats from a Chinese rufous horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus sinicus) colony in Kunming City (Yunnan Province in south-western China). 27 out of 117 samples (23%) contained seven different isolates of SARS-like coronaviruses, among which were two previously unknown, called RsSHC014 and Rs3367.[2] Virology In 2013, bat SARS-like coronavirus Rs3367 was shown to be able to directly infect the human HeLa cell line. It was the first time that human cells had been infected with a bat SARS-like coronavirus in the lab. The strain of Rs3367 that infected the human cells was named “Bat SARS-like coronavirus WIV”.[2] In 2015, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the Wuhan Institute of Virology conducted research showing that SHC014 could be made to infect the human HeLa cell line, through the use of reverse genetics to create a chimeric virus consisting of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS corona-virus.[3][4] The SL-SHC014-MA15 version of the virus, primarily engineered to infect mice, has been shown to differ by over 5,000 nucleotides from SARS-CoV-2, the cause of the COVID-19 pandemic.[5] https://www.kennedy.senate.gov/public/2021/6/kennedy-calls-for-answers-on-nih-ties-to-wuhan-institute-of-virology un 15 2021 WASHINGTON – Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) today urged Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), to give Congress a comprehensive list of NIH grants awarded to Dr. Peter Daszak. Daszak is the president of EcoHealth Alliance, which funneled U.S. tax dollars to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). “Dr. Peter Daszak was the only American citizen involved in the WHO investigation. Reports show that, at the instruction of Dr. Daszak himself, the WHO investigation did not look into information about at least 16,000 previously studied virus samples from a deleted WIV database,” wrote Kennedy. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), an NIH subsidiary, gave a $3.4 million grant to EcoHealth Alliance, a non-governmental organization. EcoHealth Alliance then sent $600,000 from this grant to the WIV. Previously, Daszak had strongly condemned the idea that the pandemic originated in a lab as a “conspiracy theory.” “In light of this troubling constellation of facts, I am requesting the NIH issue a report to Congress with a detailed listing of all of the grants that the NIH or any subsidiary agency, including the NIAID, has given to Dr. Daszak at any point, including details regarding how each grant intended to use that funding. . . . Americans deserve substantive, transparent answers to where the virus originated, what sparked the pandemic, and who may be responsible,” Kennedy concluded. They're over the target Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted September 14, 2021 17 hours ago, TimHauck said: Even Fireballer agreed, we pretty much stopped the spread via many people social distancing and working and going to school on zoom. And actually staying home when they were sick. But unfortunately, covid is more contagious than flu. So contagious that you hear many people who tested positive sleep in thr same bed as their spouse. Go about daily business in house with kids. And none of the others test positive. We cured the flu! Woo hoo! Even yearly vaccinations couldn't do that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites