Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, vomit said:

This is wrong.  A vaccine elicits an immune response in order to spur the creation antibodies which aid in preventing future infection.  Ibuprofen does not do this at all.

There is a history of vaccines that are not 100% effective in preventing illness, most notably the influenza and pneumonia vaccines.

But this was 0% effective in preventing onset.  In fact it was never meant to. Because it's not a vaccine.  Nor is ibuprofen. 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

37 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Anecdotal but I haven’t had any friends including myself get omicron. That have previously had Covid 

I know one person that had Covid in 2020 and was double jabbed for work and got omicron he said Omicron is a joke, he has had worse colds.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,365]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

I know one person had Covid in 2020 and was double jabbed for work.

all my friends that got omicron were double jabbed, 2 of them had covid in 2020 as well

 

[vomit 502]

6 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

But this was 0% effective in preventing onset.  In fact it was never meant to. Because it's not a vaccine.  Nor is ibuprofen. 

This is completely false.  We have dozens of clinical trials and mountains of data that show that the vaccine was highly effective at one point in time.

It is absolutely a vaccine by definition.

When you say things like this that go against proven facts, it just makes you look stupid.  Why on earth would anyone say the covid vaccine is not a vaccine and it has always been 0% effective when it is so easily proven wrong?  Why would you do that?

[vomit 502]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

all my friends that got omicron were double jabbed, 2 of them had covid in 2020 as well

 

40 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Anecdotal but I haven’t had any friends including myself get omicron. That have previously had Covid 

Dude can't keep his stories straight.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

4 minutes ago, vomit said:

This is completely false.  We have dozens of clinical trials and mountains of data that show that the vaccine was highly effective at one point in time.

You keep saying this but don’t give any links. Why would anyone believe you?

[vomit 502]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

You keep saying this but don’t give any links. 

It's common knowledge.  But here, let me google that for you: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345

Vaccine efficacy against Covid-19 was 91.3% (95% confidence interval [CI], 89.0 to 93.2) through 6 months of follow-up among the participants without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection who could be evaluated. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,365]

4 minutes ago, vomit said:

Dude can't keep his stories straight.

no my story is straight, I just didnt mention that they did or didnt have "vaccinations"

when I said who had the original I meant that was all, you know the whole natural immunity thing, not DNA modified process

 

[nobody 2,694]

1 hour ago, Baker Boy said:

Why would I want to get a vaccine that just makes me less sick?

 

And don't forget the vaccine actually makes you sick for a few days.

Everyone who got the vaccines where I worked took time off to deal with the side effects.

So if you're young and healthy taking the vax means you get sick when you get the vaccine and get sick when you get the virus.  What a deal!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Still seeing people wearing cloth masks.  Not seeing any signs in stores or government offices, was at DMV yesterday, saying they aren’t allowed. It’s all a game. 

[Thornton Melon 623]

39 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I know one person that had Covid in 2020 and was double jabbed for work and got omicron he said Omicron is a joke, he has had worse colds.

My daughter had Covid in March of '20, and Omicron last month. She said Omicron was worse for her, although she didn't lose her taste and smell with Omicron. She's unvaxxed.

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, vomit said:

This is completely false.  We have dozens of clinical trials and mountains of data that show that the vaccine was highly effective at one point in time.

It is absolutely a vaccine by definition.

When you say things like this that go against proven facts, it just makes you look stupid.  Why on earth would anyone say the covid vaccine is not a vaccine and it has always been 0% effective when it is so easily proven wrong?  Why would you do that?

Sure when you change the rules to fit your juice.

This garbage is not a vaccine by the real definition of a vaccine. You have to be a complete moron to not see what they did.

Even this idiot states the true definition of a vaccine (before they changed it). She just doesn't realize that the garbage never fit the definition when this was recorded and that the juice was a complete failure. She took what fauci pfizer & the CDC said and started blabbering.

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, vomit said:

It's common knowledge.  But here, let me google that for you: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345

Vaccine efficacy against Covid-19 was 91.3% (95% confidence interval [CI], 89.0 to 93.2) through 6 months of follow-up among the participants without evidence of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection who could be evaluated. 

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This trial did not assess whether the vaccine prevents asymptomatic transmission.

Keep trying bruh. 

[lod001 1,344]

First they changed the definition of 'vaccine'. 

Then once the juice was shown not to stop covid, they changed the narrative. Instead of 'safe and effective' and what dumbfock above said in her rant, it became 'it was only meant to lessen the symptoms' and complete idiots simply bought into that.

[vomit 502]

25 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Sure when you change the rules to fit your juice.

This garbage is not a vaccine by the real definition of a vaccine. You have to be a complete moron to not see what they did.

Even this idiot states the true definition of a vaccine (before they changed it). She just doesn't realize that the garbage never fit the definition when this was recorded and that the juice was a complete failure. She took what fauci pfizer & the CDC said and started blabbering.

 

Save your dyke maddow clips, she's an idiot.

Regarding the definition change, let me explain to you what happened...

Merriam-Webster revised its "vaccine" definition to replace "immunity" with "immune response." The change also addresses the new technology of mRNA vaccines in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. 

The company told USA TODAY the goal was to be scientifically accurate about how vaccines work, not to question their effectiveness. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/30/fact-check-merriam-webster-changed-vaccine-definition-accuracy/6354415001/

Many vaccines have never been 100% effective, including the influenza and pneumonia vaccines, and they have been around for years that included the "old" definition.  The term "immunity" was never intended to imply 100%, they could have left it and just clarified it, but "immune response" is a better choice.

So the covid vaccine met the old definition and it still meets the new definition.  It is in fact a vaccine by both definitions.

 

[vomit 502]

23 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Keep trying bruh. 

You had asymptotic infections in both groups so it's a moot point.

In order to get to your statement that it is 0% effective, you would have to assume that there were the same number of infected in both groups, but the extra infected in the vaccine group were all asymptomatic, the probability of this happening being very close to 0%.  I'm sorry but you can't get to the vaccines being 0% effective using any data.

[vomit 502]

28 minutes ago, lod001 said:

First they changed the definition of 'vaccine'. 

Then once the juice was shown not to stop covid, they changed the narrative. Instead of 'safe and effective' and what dumbfock above said in her rant, it became 'it was only meant to lessen the symptoms' and complete idiots simply bought into that.

Agree that this is stupid.  You can't lie to everyone and say "well the original intent changed", that's BS.  The fact is the intent of the vaccine was to stop the spread of covid, it didn't work, but it has helped to lessen the severity, so we still got that, which is a positive.  But we agreed that the vaccine at this point does very little for the avg person, still doesn't change the data from years prior.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

5 minutes ago, vomit said:

You had asymptotic infections in both groups so it's a moot point.

In order to get to your statement that it is 0% effective, you would have to assume that there were the same number of infected in both groups, but the extra infected in the vaccine group were all asymptomatic, the probability of this happening being very close to 0%.  I'm sorry but you can't get to the vaccines being 0% effective using any data.

So we know it's effective because there were symptomatic respondents.  Sounds like bizarro math to me. 

[Cdub100 3,936]

31 minutes ago, lod001 said:

First they changed the definition of 'vaccine'. 

Then once the juice was shown not to stop covid, they changed the narrative. Instead of 'safe and effective' and what dumbfock above said in her rant, it became 'it was only meant to lessen the symptoms' and complete idiots simply bought into that.

Masks don't work

Masks only stop you from spreading the virus and it has to be N95 and above

Masks protect you and others

Cloth masks work

You should wear a surgical mask over your cloth masks

Three masks are optimal.

Studies done in counties with mask mandates show it slowed the spread of COVID by .05%

Mask only provide 2% additional protection

Cloth masks don't work

  

 

[vomit 502]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

So we know it's effective because there were symptomatic respondents.  Sounds like bizarro math to me. 

This is an easily digestible explanation of how the math is done.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/vaccine-efficacy-effectiveness-and-protection

[vomit 502]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

Masks don't work

Masks only stop you from spreading the virus and it has to be N95 and above

Masks protect you and others

Cloth masks work

You should wear a surgical mask over your cloth masks

Three masks are optimal.

Studies done in counties with mask mandates show it slowed the spread of COVID by .05%

Mask only provide 2% additional protection

Cloth masks don't work

  

 

This is called science

This is exactly what is supposed to happen during a novel pandemic.  Things change, we learn, etc.

The problem is you have a$$holes that treat every advice as the word of god, which it never is.

And then you get the other set of a$$holes that when guidance changes, they call conspiracy and blame jews.

And the two groups fight like a bunch of retarded faygots.  Welcome to America.

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

10 minutes ago, vomit said:

This is called science

This is exactly what is supposed to happen during a novel pandemic.  Things change, we learn, etc.

The problem is you have a$$holes that treat every advice as the word of god, which it never is.

And then you get the other set of a$$holes that when guidance changes, they call conspiracy and blame jews.

And the two groups fight like a bunch of retarded faygots.  Welcome to America.

Nailed it.  Two groups on complete opposites and neither realize how they are similar they actually are.

[TimHauck 2,931]

18 minutes ago, vomit said:

This is an easily digestible explanation of how the math is done.

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/vaccine-efficacy-effectiveness-and-protection

Don't bother.  Timmy is at about a 1st grade math level

[TimHauck 2,931]

5 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

While it may have worked to lessen the severity, it backfired and fueled the spread because people didn't know they were sick.  It's no wonder they wanted everyone to get it.  This philosophy never occurred in vaccine history before.  That is why it isn't really a vaccine any more than ibuprofen is a vaccine. 

Nice, another one for the covid denier contradiction list:

"asymptomatic people aren't spreading covid and thus shouldn't get tested, but also the vaccinated are spreading it without symptoms"

[TimmySmith 2,782]

27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Nice, another one for the covid denier contradiction list:

"asymptomatic people aren't spreading covid and thus shouldn't get tested, but also the vaccinated are spreading it without symptoms"

The CDC said the first part early and are admitting the 2nd.  Where does this place them in the denier contradiction list?

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, vomit said:

Save your dyke maddow clips, she's an idiot.

Regarding the definition change, let me explain to you what happened...

Merriam-Webster revised its "vaccine" definition to replace "immunity" with "immune response." The change also addresses the new technology of mRNA vaccines in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. 

The company told USA TODAY the goal was to be scientifically accurate about how vaccines work, not to question their effectiveness. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/30/fact-check-merriam-webster-changed-vaccine-definition-accuracy/6354415001/

Many vaccines have never been 100% effective, including the influenza and pneumonia vaccines, and they have been around for years that included the "old" definition.  The term "immunity" was never intended to imply 100%, they could have left it and just clarified it, but "immune response" is a better choice.

So the covid vaccine met the old definition and it still meets the new definition.  It is in fact a vaccine by both definitions.

 

 You ate that BS? There was no reason to change the definition that has existed for decades. Once again what happened is the definition did not fit the juice so they had to change the definition so they could keep calling it a "vaccine". If the BS you posted was at all accurate, they would have changed the definition a long time ago. See bolded.

[TimHauck 2,931]

30 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

The CDC said the first part early and are admitting the 2nd.  Where does this place them in the denier contradiction list?

The contradiction comes from believing both things simultaneously.

I think the first actually is mostly true.  True asymptomatic transmission, where people never develop symptoms, does not appear to be very common.   Presymptomatic transmission however, which many people confuse with asymptomatic transmission, is more common.

All evidence currently points to the second not being true, at least not any moreso than asymptomatic transmission by the unvaccinated.   But if the second is true, then the first isn't. 

[vomit 502]

22 minutes ago, lod001 said:

 You ate that BS? There was no reason to change the definition that has existed for decades. Once again what happened is the definition did not fit the juice so they had to change the definition so they could keep calling it a "vaccine". If the BS you posted was at all accurate, they would have changed the definition a long time ago. See bolded.

OK, so you're saying that the influenza vaccine and the pneumonia vaccines are not vaccines either?  This is the hill you're gonna die on?

[Fireballer 2,644]

Holy fuuck!  Training toddlers for "mask compliance" multiple years into the future?  These people should be jailed. This your peeps @KSB2424?  

 

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

4 minutes ago, vomit said:

OK, so you're saying that the influenza vaccine and the pneumonia vaccines are not vaccines either?  This is the hill you're gonna die on?

Honestly, I never really heard it called a vaccine before.  It's always been referred to as just a shot.  I always see and hear it called the flu shot, not the flu vaccine.  Technically it is considered a vaccine though.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

All evidence currently points to the second not being true, at least not any moreso than asymptomatic transmission by the unvaccinated.   But if the second is true, then the first isn't. 

The 2nd has been revealed to be absolutely true.  So, yes, the contradiction (that no one ever said until you) cannot be true.

[vomit 502]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Technically it is considered a vaccine though.

Correct, and it's not 100% effective.

Chicken pox is another vaccine that is not 100% effective either.  Actually I don't know of any vaccines at 100%, maybe 99.99%.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

10 minutes ago, vomit said:

Correct, and it's not 100% effective.

Chicken pox is another vaccine that is not 100% effective either.  Actually I don't know of any vaccines at 100%, maybe 99.99%.

So the chicken pox vaccine lessens the effects of getting chicken pox?  Didn't know that.

[vomit 502]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

So the chicken pox vaccine lessens the effects of getting chicken pox?  Didn't know that.

There is a lot you don't know.  If you would just accept that and tried to educate yourself, you would be a better person.

[TimHauck 2,931]

23 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

The 2nd has been revealed to be absolutely true.  So, yes, the contradiction (that no one ever said until you) cannot be true.

No it hasn't.   Yes, vaccinated are spreading it.  But there's nothing to indicate they are spreading it more than the unvaccinated and when they do spread it they usually eventually get symptoms (so mostly presymptomatic, not asymptomatic).

I'll refresh your memory on #1 by the GC:

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No it hasn't.   Yes, vaccinated are spreading it.  But there's nothing to indicate they are spreading it more than the unvaccinated and when they do spread it they usually eventually get symptoms (so mostly presymptomatic, not asymptomatic).

I'll refresh your memory on #1 by the GC:

 

I have followed government guidelines less than any other person I know and live in a highly populated community. And I have been out and about for the past two years as much as anyone.

Never got the chinese flu nor the ohmygodmicron. 

Nothin like taking care of myself. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, vomit said:

There is a lot you don't know.  If you would just accept that and tried to educate yourself, you would be a better person.

Is this the towel being thrown?  Trust me, the CDC does not have your back on what you have been fed.

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, Utilit99 said:

I have followed government guidelines less than any other person I know and live in a highly populated community. And I have been out and about for the past two years as much as anyone.

Never got the chinese flu nor the ohmygodmicron. 

Nothin like taking care of myself. 

You could be completely asymptomatic. To the point where not only do you never have symptoms but if you tested for antibodies, you would show none. You're immune system is so robust that the virus cannot infect your body.

[lod001 1,344]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Holy fuuck!  Training toddlers for "mask compliance" multiple years into the future?  These people should be jailed. This your peeps @KSB2424?  

 

Total psycho. Who in their right mind would act and talk like this? Just go die already and let the rest of us live our lives.

[nobody 2,694]

Are people really acting like the definition of vaccine wasn't changed in the middle of all this?