Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This guy. I’ve been in four unions. I’m currently in the NYSTU. I was a union officer for 14 years, and at another union negotiated a contract with a major private college, the best one they have had. You know nothing. I’ve walked more miles to get to a picket line than you ever walked on any. I worked on and participated in voter registration drives on behalf of my union before you ever said the word union 

Sure you have. 

No one would be as delusional as you if any of this were the case. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Both.  The occupation of teacher has been flooded with activists as well as the system being fuked up.

Can you support that in any way or is it just a feeling you have?

[Fireballer 2,644]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That's a different issue.  I'm just trying to give our teachers a little more support because many don't anymore.  You want to fight our government on how our education system is working then I'm totally for it.

 

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Maybe more conservative thinking people need to get into teaching.

No. No political leanings of teachers should come out in their teaching nor should teachers be a conduit to teach political ideology. 

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

No. No political leanings of teachers should come out in their teaching nor should teachers be a conduit to teach political ideology. 

I don't think political leanings of teachers should come out in their teachings either.  What percentage of teachers are doing this?  I know that it does happen and has always happened, it's just human nature for some, but it is more rampant than every before?  Do we have proof and data on this or is it just speculation?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think political leanings of teachers should come out in their teachings either.  What percentage of teachers are doing this?  I know that it does happen and has always happened, it's just human nature for some, but it is more rampant than every before?  Do we have proof and data on this or is it just speculation?

It's just speculation. Data be damned...people have feelings. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Sure you have. 

No one would be as delusional as you if any of this were the case. 

Unions have changed in my time. It’s not delusion. It’s experience. I have a lot more than you. Unions once backed Ronald Reagan.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

I was taught A Raisin In The Sun.  We all had to read a passage from it in English class. No one complained. No one asked for it to be banned. 

[Fireballer 2,644]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

 Parents aren't complaining because a teacher is trying to bring their "politics" into the classroom....they are complaining because the teacher is saying something different than what the parent wants their kid to believe. 

Academically speaking in a K-12 public setting, when does the curriculum cause a teacher to be saying something different than what their parents want kids to believe?  

[listen2me 23 1,874]

 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

9 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Academically speaking in a K-12 public setting, when does the curriculum cause a teacher to be saying something different than what their parents want kids to believe?  

There are states that have Holocaust teaching requirements. If a school teaches that and a parent is someone who thinks the Holocaust didn't exist they could object. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There are states that have Holocaust teaching requirements. If a school teaches that and a parent is someone who thinks the Holocaust didn't exist they could object. 

That’s the best you can do? Tell that parent tough then. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s the best you can do? Tell that parent tough then. 

That was off the top of my head...

There are plenty of examples. You people are naive if you think this stuff wouldn't open floodgates for parents to complain about stuff. Again- what about my example from Raisin in the Sun. 

[lod001 1,344]

23 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

 

Beautiful. The laughing as her head hits the floor and cracks open is awesome.

How'd that jab work out for ya, lady? Yeah, they found nothing wrong with her that would cause the fainting. I can.

[Fireballer 2,644]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

There are states that have Holocaust teaching requirements. If a school teaches that and a parent is someone who thinks the Holocaust didn't exist they could object. 

Well sh!t, if more people knew that these meddling parents were just a bunch of Holocaust-denying white supremacists, then this coulda been solved a long time ago.  Maybe that's what Randi meant in her deleted tweet that said that racists were showing up and threatening people at school board meetings.

[Fireballer 2,644]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That was off the top of my head...

There are plenty of examples. You people are naive if you think this stuff wouldn't open floodgates for parents to complain about stuff. Again- what about my example from Raisin in the Sun. 

Using your Raisin in the Sun example, in what way does the curriculum make you tell students things that is in contast to what their parents want them to believe?  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

That was off the top of my head...

There are plenty of examples. You people are naive if you think this stuff wouldn't open floodgates for parents to complain about stuff. Again- what about my example from Raisin in the Sun. 

I read it in school. I would have no objection to it today. If someone did they should make their case. If it’s a good case they may get backing. I doubt it though. You don’t want to be judged by the extreme elements of your profession. Parents don’t want to be judged by the extreme elements of their side. Don’t equate the mask issue with this issue. One is nuanced, one is not. 

[TimHauck 2,931]

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

ADE is a well-known phenomenon:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34384810/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5

I doubt the mRNA vaccines work at all against Omicron:

https://fortune.com/2022/01/19/covid-19-boosters-block-immunity-omicron-study-finds/

but, so what?  Omicron has been regarded worldwide as severe as a cold.  As a simple matter of a priori reasoning, the fact that one would need a booster indicates that the vaccines do not provide lasting protection and the fact that any benefit provided wanes supports this view.  But even the WHO has announced multiple boosters are not effective strategy going forward.  who could have foreseen that this Corona virus would mutate (though it seems to have mutated to a less virulent strain, which some researchers predicted at the outset).

Your second claim is that US deaths increased in 2021 from 2020 because a significant portion of deaths occurred in January and February of 2021.  While that is an entirely expected response from you, it is false:

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Monthly-Provisional-Counts-of-Deaths-by-Select-Cau/9dzk-mvmi/data

We do have 373,629 deaths in January 2021, which is high in comparison to other months, but they rebound to close to 300,000 per month by the end of the year.  Something is dramatically off for a population that was increasingly vaxxed and boosted as time wore on.  Deaths for 2020 were 3,384,426.  Deaths, provisionally, for 2021 are around 3,362,000.  Would you just look at those Covid death numbers at the end of 2021?  What's going on Big Guy, you told me vaccines were effective?  We have just as many deaths in 2021, with deaths attributable to Covid accelerating in the end months of 2021.  I'm pretty sure you knew that, though.  However, given this government and it ineptitude, who really knows about the categorized Covid deaths, in light of Ms. Walensky's revelations.  We could go over to a place like, oh I don't know, Scotland and take a look at their stats for some insight, but I don't have the time to burn on that today and you'd just claim that Covid, in all of its variations, behaved differently there.

 

1 hour ago, Casual Observer said:

Like I can post a link that shows you were wrong.  A task so prodigious so as not be possible to accomplish.  You can look at my response to your prior post to me, which catches you in two falsehoods.  Others too numerous to mention but can be found by randomly clicking on any of your posts.  The last one where the Twitter poster said the US military stats were false because the proponent didn't post the data was pretty funny.  How could you evaluate a data set as false when you admit you haven't seen it in the first place?  You'll never live down the eric Topol stuff either.

 

Sorry I didn't mean to laugh at ADE in general, yes it has existed.  It doesn't exist with the covid vaccines though.   If it was then you would be seeing the vaccinated get more severely ill and of course the exact opposite is happening as much as you want to keep your eyes closed about it.

Omicron is more mild than prior variants (worse than a cold though), but it is much more contagious.  So hypothetically, if it is 10% as mild, but 10x more contagious, you end up with the same amount of deaths.

So you agree with me that January and February had the most deaths by far, cool.  There were about ~250k total covid deaths in those months, all before vaccines were really available.  Yes, there was a spike in August, due to the overall deadlier Delta variant, which killed primarily the unvaccinated, and overall that was not nearly as high as the prior winter spike (except in Florida and a couple other less vaccinated states).  The vaccines are only effective if people take them, I shouldn't need to say this out loud but here we are.

What is your question about Scotland?  I tend to focus on the US, but feel free to ask me any question you'd like.

What did I post from Topol that was wrong?  I don't think I've even posted his stuff more than maybe a couple times.

Here's a better debunking of the DoD data story - https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-misuse-the-defense-epidemiology-medical-database-to-demonize-covid-19-vaccines/

In short, a nearly 500% increase in types of cancer is impossible in one year, because cancer doesn't happen right away.    I will admit it seems fishy that they all the sudden updated the 2016-2020 data, I would be more inclined to believe that the 2021 data they pulled was messed up, but clearly something is off with the numbers.   Those numbers are just not possible (2000% increase in hypertension, c'mon), if they were even close to accurate we would have more of a signal in VAERS.  Right now the only real signal from VAERS was myocarditis. 

[Hawkeye21 2,401]

21 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Beautiful. The laughing as her head hits the floor and cracks open is awesome.

How'd that jab work out for ya, lady? Yeah, they found nothing wrong with her that would cause the fainting. I can.

I wonder if she actually was fully vaccinated with everything she said.  It was pretty comical to watch though, other than the cracked skull.

[Fireballer 2,644]

Someone explain the science to me

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Someone explain the science to me

 

botcuck will have several links to building sites that clearly how school buildings transmit viruses at a far higher rate than restaurants.  It's in the construction.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

6 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Someone explain the science to me

 

I hate this Fockin twat

[DonS 3,292]

5 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Someone explain the science to me

 

At least that's progress.  WA governor hasn't even floated out ANY kind of date for any changes.  Even Oregon is saying probably by end of March, which sounds extreme, but at least there is a ballpark date. 

[Casual Observer 597]

20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Sorry I didn't mean to laugh at ADE in general, yes it has existed.  It doesn't exist with the covid vaccines though.   If it was then you would be seeing the vaccinated get more severely ill and of course the exact opposite is happening as much as you want to keep your eyes closed about it.

Omicron is more mild than prior variants (worse than a cold though), but it is much more contagious.  So hypothetically, if it is 10% as mild, but 10x more contagious, you end up with the same amount of deaths.

So you agree with me that January and February had the most deaths by far, cool.  There were about ~250k total covid deaths in those months, all before vaccines were really available.  Yes, there was a spike in August, due to the overall deadlier Delta variant, which killed primarily the unvaccinated, and overall that was not nearly as high as the prior winter spike (except in Florida and a couple other less vaccinated states).  The vaccines are only effective if people take them, I shouldn't need to say this out loud but here we are.

What is your question about Scotland?  I tend to focus on the US, but feel free to ask me any question you'd like.

What did I post from Topol that was wrong?  I don't think I've even posted his stuff more than maybe a couple times.

Here's a better debunking of the DoD data story - https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-misuse-the-defense-epidemiology-medical-database-to-demonize-covid-19-vaccines/

In short, a nearly 500% increase in types of cancer is impossible in one year, because cancer doesn't happen right away.    I will admit it seems fishy that they all the sudden updated the 2016-2020 data, I would be more inclined to believe that the 2021 data they pulled was messed up, but clearly something is off with the numbers.   Those numbers are just not possible (2000% increase in hypertension, c'mon), if they were even close to accurate we would have more of a signal in VAERS.  Right now the only real signal from VAERS was myocarditis. 

I didn't see you laughing at ADE; I saw you blithely denying it exists without any evidence at all.  I don't agree with anything you said and stop trying to put words in my mouth.  Here's the table from the CDC below for 2021.  Large Covid numbers for January, less for February, precipitous drop through July.  Large increases from August through the end of the year.  I can't say whether these numbers will be re-categorized from Covid to other problems, which would show ADE and direct vaxx illnesses and deaths, but for now, cool that you agree with me that the vaxxes don't work, given the large increases in deaths from August through December of 2021 in the face of increasing vaccination and booster rates.  Don't give me that bullshit that the common cold is killing these people.  Is Omicron as contagious as the common cold? Is 100% of the population getting a cold going to increase death numbers like we see for 2021.  I think not.

I didn't ask you about Scotland, but you could look over there (very high rate of vaccination and boosters) and see high death and hospitalization rates for same group.  VAERS is underreported and everyone knows it.  Cancer can be held at bay by a person's natural immune system until you weaken it.  That there has been mass administration of an agent that ultimately weakens a person's natural immune system and an increase in cancers is not surprising to those that aren't willfully ignorant.  One such cancer is T Cell Lymphoma and there is a study out there concerning it and its prevalence.

You and Eric Topol are both full of and have been discredited, yet continue to post.  Some kind of shared neurosis.  

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[Sean Mooney 1,984]

32 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Using your Raisin in the Sun example, in what way does the curriculum make you tell students things that is in contast to what their parents want them to believe?  

Well case in point....people yell CRT at everything....and redlining would be an example of CRT....Now when I discuss it for the 5-10 minutes it is largely just to provide context to the book and climatic scenes and I basically say "This happened at one point but things are still not necessarily this way." and we move on....But if a few parents decide this is indoctrinating the kids I'm outta luck.

[Fireballer 2,644]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Well case in point....people yell CRT at everything....and redlining would be an example of CRT....Now when I discuss it for the 5-10 minutes it is largely just to provide context to the book and climatic scenes and I basically say "This happened at one point but things are still not necessarily this way." and we move on....But if a few parents decide this is indoctrinating the kids I'm outta luck.

What context does the curriculum require to discuss about redlining? 

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Someone explain the science to me

 

She's trying to make a name for herself and if she gets re-elected, then NYers absolutely deserver the punishment they will receive from their ignorant vote.

If she does a 180 on this, you can guarantee those running this sh1tshow, told her to end the school mandate or else. She's just a puppet but obviously has higher aspirations. She a total psycho.

[wiffleball 4,790]

25 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

What context does the curriculum require to discuss about redlining? 

My teachers were always drawing red lines through my stuff. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

26 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

What context does the curriculum require to discuss about redlining? 

I explained this already- in literature you are talking about the historical context of books or you are framing things through different literary lens.

[Fireballer 2,644]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I explained this already- in literature you are talking about the historical context of books or you are framing things through different literary lens.

No sh!t, but you didn't explain what context you add except for "it's not like this anymore". 

I'm still trying to find any reasonable reason why you would say that the curriculum forces teachers to teach things that parents don't want their kids to believe. You've pinned your reasoning on two tiny slivers of minutia about holocaust deniers in "some states" and a 10-15 minute spiel about redlining.  This is not what has brought thousands of parents to school board meetings.

But your statement about our naivete about this opening the floodgates says it all. What it means is that you're tired of parents sticking their noses where you don't think they belong.  The lack of transparency in public education today is astounding.  At this point, maybe the floodgates do need to open.  Then maybe all the good teachers like you in your utopian district can separate themselves from the POS activists and the fascist school boards.   

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

17 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

No sh!t, but you didn't explain what context you add except for "it's not like this anymore". 

I'm still trying to find any reasonable reason why you would say that the curriculum forces teachers to teach things that parents don't want their kids to believe. You've pinned your reasoning on two tiny slivers of minutia about holocaust deniers in "some states" and a 10-15 minute spiel about redlining.  This is not what has brought thousands of parents to school board meetings.

But your statement about our naivete about this opening the floodgates says it all. What it means is that you're tired of parents sticking their noses where you don't think they belong.  The lack of transparency in public education today is astounding.  At this point, maybe the floodgates do need to open.  Then maybe all the good teachers like you in your utopian district can separate themselves from the POS activists and the fascist school boards.   

Boy talk about someone living in a utopian. That's fine if you believe all these people are truly honest in their intentions. They are not. There is more transparency in the school's than you think but you've been told it is shady business so it must be.

And I don't mind parents being involved. But too often that becomes "you need to do this" as opposed to "why are you doing this?"

[Fireballer 2,644]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Boy talk about someone living in a utopian. That's fine if you believe all these people are truly honest in their intentions. They are not. There is more transparency in the school's than you think but you've been told it is shady business so it must be.

And I don't mind parents being involved. But too often that becomes "you need to do this" as opposed to "why are you doing this?"

Don't forget that the epicenter for the "parents attack on education" was Loudoun Va in early 2021.  Parents starting asking too many questions about what they were seeing during virtual learning and Covid restrictions.  In response, a private Facebook group, that school administrators were part of, created a "hit list" of parents that were being too nosy. The intent of the list was future harassment and doxxing.

Now, in many parts of the country, parents are peeling back the layers of the onion and seeing what public schools are all about. Now people are big mad.  In Ohio, the DOE was mad enough to illegally remove public comment during the proposed installation of the 1619 project.  In Arizona, they were mad enough to keep a dossier of info on parents and students that spoke out at school board meetings. Again, in Loudoun, they were mad enough to ask for jail time for the Dad charged with disorderly conduct when he called bullsh!t on the Suerintendent for lying about sexual assault.  The NSBA was mad enough to get the White House to get Garland to call parents terrorists and sic the FBI on them.  This crap is happening in lots of places.  So spare me the "transparency" routine.  The message is clear,  "don't fuk with schools".

[Baker Boy 1,704]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Well case in point....people yell CRT at everything....and redlining would be an example of CRT....Now when I discuss it for the 5-10 minutes it is largely just to provide context to the book and climatic scenes and I basically say "This happened at one point but things are still not necessarily this way." and we move on....But if a few parents decide this is indoctrinating the kids I'm outta luck.

CRT is a theory do you mention that. You seem to be presenting it as a fact.

[Fireballer 2,644]

Why aren't Olympic speed skaters wearing masks like hockey players?   Does the safety from Covid lose out to aerodynamic hindrance?  Hauck and Mooney want a study on that.

[TimHauck 2,931]

2 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

I didn't see you laughing at ADE; I saw you blithely denying it exists without any evidence at all.  I don't agree with anything you said and stop trying to put words in my mouth.  Here's the table from the CDC below for 2021.  Large Covid numbers for January, less for February, precipitous drop through July.  Large increases from August through the end of the year.  I can't say whether these numbers will be re-categorized from Covid to other problems, which would show ADE and direct vaxx illnesses and deaths, but for now, cool that you agree with me that the vaxxes don't work, given the large increases in deaths from August through December of 2021 in the face of increasing vaccination and booster rates.  Don't give me that bullshit that the common cold is killing these people.  Is Omicron as contagious as the common cold? Is 100% of the population getting a cold going to increase death numbers like we see for 2021.  I think not.

I didn't ask you about Scotland, but you could look over there (very high rate of vaccination and boosters) and see high death and hospitalization rates for same group.  VAERS is underreported and everyone knows it.  Cancer can be held at bay by a person's natural immune system until you weaken it.  That there has been mass administration of an agent that ultimately weakens a person's natural immune system and an increase in cancers is not surprising to those that aren't willfully ignorant.  One such cancer is T Cell Lymphoma and there is a study out there concerning it and its prevalence.

You and Eric Topol are both full of and have been discredited, yet continue to post.  Some kind of shared neurosis.  

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02/09/2022	06/01/2021	06/30/2021	United States	2021	6	244,705	218,350	3,149	49,163	7,723	8,777	2,835	11,166	3,582	4,113	3,396	53,348	12,440	19,034	4,110	4,027	2,244	8,701	7,983	6,530
02/09/2022	07/01/2021	07/31/2021	United States	2021	7	257,287	230,346	3,413	51,210	7,788	9,044	3,109	11,716	3,732	4,284	3,765	55,078	13,023	19,503	4,218	4,023	2,343	8,915	11,176	9,691
02/09/2022	08/01/2021	08/31/2021	United States	2021	8	301,083	274,840	3,343	51,848	8,602	9,641	3,357	12,047	3,781	4,348	4,907	57,498	13,156						48,455	45,111	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)
02/09/2022	09/01/2021	09/30/2021	United States	2021	9	308,172	283,707	3,454	49,648	8,497	9,841	3,454	11,584	3,743	4,459	5,859	55,434	13,005						62,624	58,423	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)
02/09/2022	10/01/2021	10/31/2021	United States	2021	10	295,497	272,628	3,680	51,355	8,352	9,857	3,585	11,943	3,887	4,481	7,657	56,985	13,719						41,928	38,122	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)
02/09/2022	11/01/2021	11/30/2021	United States	2021	11	280,128	261,106	3,466	48,912	8,284	10,114	3,618	11,680	3,911	4,383	10,835	56,049	13,566						31,504	28,296	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)
02/09/2022	12/01/2021	12/31/2021	United States	2021	12	298,740	283,108	3,541	49,680	8,404	10,313	4,275	12,614	3,976	4,756	14,701	58,347	13,959						43,009	39,178	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (6 month lag)	Data not shown (

 

ADE does not exist with the covid vaccines.  Available data from every country in the world shows the vaccine's effectiveness against hospitalization and death outside of a few cherry-picked weeks here and there.  One of the links you provided as "evidence" of ADE was from September 2020, and the other was a "model."  Sure, I guess it's fair to bring up the remote possibility of ADE since it has happened before, but there is absolutely zero evidence that it's happened with the covid vaccines.   If you are concerned about ADE then I guess you must be a true anti-vaxxer and not just anti covid vax.

THE INCREASES IN DEATH FROM AUGUST-DECEMBER ARE FROM COVID!  As your own data shows.  Largely amongst the unvaccinated.  Only in 2022 America, can people try to claim that covid deaths largely among the unvaccinated, are actually deaths caused by the vaccine.   I'd laugh if it didn't show how lost some people like yourself are.  "Mass Formation Psychosis" truly is real I guess.

If we're talking about 2021, Omicron is a non-factor as there were few Omicron deaths in 2021 (and I do apologize, I meant so say there were ~150k covid deaths in January/Febuary 2021, not ~250k).   The majority of covid deaths starting in the summer were from Delta, which was overall deadlier and explains why deaths got as high as they did despite the vaccines being available.  And once again, the Delta wave was also proof of the vaccine's effectiveness against death.  The older, more vaccinated population saw lower spikes in total deaths vs. 2020, whereas the younger, less vaccinated population saw higher spikes in total deaths vs. 2020.  If the vaccines were killing them, wouldn't they also kill the older people especially considering a higher % of them were vaccinated?   Not to mention, the peak in vaccine doses occured in April, and then dropped quickly thereafter, until seeing a slight bump when boosters started.  Is your theory that the vaccine all the sudden started killing people all at the same time 5+ months after they were given?

Link to Scotland having a "high death rate"?  They're recent peak in daily deaths was about 37% that of the winter peak, whereas the US's current peak is over 70% of the winter peak.  So their TOTAL deaths are low, and as a result due to their high vaccinated % they may have a high % of deaths among the vaccinated, but even still, claims of "negative effectiveness" are likely due to denominator issues - 

 

I'd agree with you that an "increase" in cancers may not be surprising.  But a 500% increase?  Yes, that's surprising.  And false.

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26 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I'd agree with you that an "increase" in cancers may not be surprising.  But a 500% increase?  Yes, that's surprising.  And false.

Some liars having been trying sell that HIroshima had an outlying increase in cancer back in the 40's.  But cancer takes a long time to develop.

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"I think what we saw is the danger of turning over public policy and public health recommendations to people who have had their careers exclusively focused on infectious diseases as opposed to public health in general,” said Kales, who also serves as a director at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-medical-prof-says-the-government-s-pandemic-response-failed-miserably-ignored-consequences-of-its-policies/

 

Word.  Too many nerds involved telling us we all needed to isolate for the rest of time.

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4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Some liars having been trying sell that HIroshima had an outlying increase in cancer back in the 40's.  But cancer takes a long time to develop.

Thanks for proving my point!

https://k1project.columbia.edu/news/hiroshima-and-nagasaki

"An increase in leukemia appeared about two years after the attacks and peaked around four to six years later... For all other cancers, incidence increase did not appear until around ten years after the attacks"

 

 

So basically, the covid vaccine is about 200x+ worse than an atomic bomb.

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1 minute ago, vomit said:

"I think what we saw is the danger of turning over public policy and public health recommendations to people who have had their careers exclusively focused on infectious diseases as opposed to public health in general,” said Kales, who also serves as a director at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

https://fee.org/articles/harvard-medical-prof-says-the-government-s-pandemic-response-failed-miserably-ignored-consequences-of-its-policies/

 

Word.  Too many nerds involved telling us we all needed to isolate for the rest of time.

agree, the damage done from locking down the youngest of the generations has yet to be seen, let alone economic chaos they will face because of it

 

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Add Virginia to states with legislation that will soon "officially" make masks optional for schools.  Apparently there was EO after Youngkin got sworn in that made them optional but many mad localities continued with mask mandates.  That's how you got Loudoun threatening to swear out trespassing warrants against unmasked kids.  What I don't understand is why Dems are crossing the aisle to drop masks when we are in the 2nd largest death spike of the pandemic? 

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Don't forget that the epicenter for the "parents attack on education" was Loudoun Va in early 2021.  Parents starting asking too many questions about what they were seeing during virtual learning and Covid restrictions.  In response, a private Facebook group, that school administrators were part of, created a "hit list" of parents that were being too nosy. The intent of the list was future harassment and doxxing.

Now, in many parts of the country, parents are peeling back the layers of the onion and seeing what public schools are all about. Now people are big mad.  In Ohio, the DOE was mad enough to illegally remove public comment during the proposed installation of the 1619 project.  In Arizona, they were mad enough to keep a dossier of info on parents and students that spoke out at school board meetings. Again, in Loudoun, they were mad enough to ask for jail time for the Dad charged with disorderly conduct when he called bullsh!t on the Suerintendent for lying about sexual assault.  The NSBA was mad enough to get the White House to get Garland to call parents terrorists and sic the FBI on them.  This crap is happening in lots of places.  So spare me the "transparency" routine.  The message is clear,  "don't fuk with schools".