Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 3,307]

4 minutes ago, Reality said:

Right.

Source: Trust us bro, it's definitely not the vaccine.

Very scientific.

That's not what the article said, liar.

[TimHauck 3,307]

The GC, in response to an article with actual data: this is just speculation

The GC, in response to some dude in Brazil collapsing: this is proof the vaccine has killed many thousands

lol

[Reality 3,121]

8 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

What a abomination this thread turned into.  Unreadable. 

It's rough to get through, no doubt. Much easier if you ignore the ramblings of the sort-of functioning autistic kid.

Careful though, don't actually mention this plan, you'll have a stalker for life.

[TimHauck 3,307]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

It's rough to get through, no doubt. Much easier if you ignore the ramblings of the sort-of functioning autistic kid.

Careful though, don't actually mention this plan, you'll have a stalker for life.

If you check @KSB2424's recent posts, I'm pretty sure he is referring to @lod001

[KSB2424 3,173]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

If you check @KSB2424's recent posts, I'm pretty sure he is referring to @lod001

It’s all of it.  Simply put, the current vaccines are basically worthless. AND Covid itself can cause heart issues so any anecdotal evidence of an uptick in heart related death can’t just simply be blamed on the vaccine.  That’s stupid too. 

[TimHauck 3,307]

8 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

It’s all of it.  Simply put, the current vaccines are basically worthless. 

false

[jerryskids 7,083]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Good thread & article with actual data (albeit for the UK) and not just anecdotes:

 

 

 

I don't think the vaxxes are killing people in droves.  But this article is a little disingenuous.  For instance it says that a significant factor is the delay in treatments, which on the surface I would agree should affect excess deaths.  But here is what it actually says:

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And we are seeing record waits in each of those areas.

In November, for example, it took 48 minutes on average for an ambulance in England to respond to a suspected heart attack or stroke, compared to a target of 18 minutes.

This is presented to seem compelling, but what it does is conflate the target time to the actual time before the big run-up (early 2022?).  Was it 47 minutes?  10 minutes?  Clearly they have this data; why not plot that and show the correlation?   

[listen2me 23 1,952]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

false

Lol.  You have way too much time on your hands.

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

11 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

It’s all of it.  Simply put, the current vaccines are basically worthless. AND Covid itself can cause heart issues so any anecdotal evidence of an uptick in heart related death can’t just simply be blamed on the vaccine.  That’s stupid too. 

 

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

false

 

I agree with Tim, but with a very large caveat. They are not very useful for the general population because covid is endemic and because the protection offered does not last very long. For the covid vaccines to be effective we would need to get the shot multiple times per year which is something that is not practical nor should be done for your average healthy adult. We have no idea what the effect of multiple vaccines per year have on a healthy adults over a long period of time. I do not have a link, but i have read where too many of the same vaccine can have a negative effect, I am not going to search medical studies for that paper though.

 

However, my 94 year old grandpa with tons of other health issues has been getting a shot at every recommended interval. I am not sure how many boosters he is up to but so far he is still doing well. The short term effect of Covid for him is much more of a concern than the long term effects of getting a vaccine multiple times.

He is an extreme example, and even someone such as my 70+ year old inlaws benefit from getting booster shots 1-2 times a year prior to a new covid wave.

 

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't think the vaxxes are killing people in droves. 

Or many people at all.

[jerryskids 7,083]

2 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Or many people at all.

I'm not a medical expert to say.  Unfortunately, our medical experts declared it safe from the get go, an assertion which strains imagination given the utter and complete lack of long-term data on such vaccines..  I can only hope some objective analysis rules the future.   

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm not a medical expert to say.  Unfortunately, our medical experts declared it safe from the get go, an assertion which strains imagination given the utter and complete lack of long-term data on such vaccines..  I can only hope some objective analysis rules the future.   

Yes, since this vaccine is used globally i expect many western country epidemiologists to study the issue, not just those in the united states. I also believe the medical community is not out to get us, while also understanding that they make mistakes. There are many past mistakes in all line of science, however they are not malignant and do not want to cause the public harm.

Science may come out in the future that they may not be as safe as what doctors believe today, however i will wait on the data to support that. In the mean time we do no they are no where near as dangerous as what some people are saying here.

 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

12 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Yes, since this vaccine is used globally i expect many western country epidemiologists to study the issue, not just those in the united states. I also believe the medical community is not out to get us, while also understanding that they make mistakes. There are many past mistakes in all line of science, however they are not malignant and do not want to cause the public harm.

Science may come out in the future that they may not be as safe as what doctors believe today, however i will wait on the data to support that. In the mean time we do no they are no where near as dangerous as what some people are saying here.

 

The problem is that the medical community has been entirely compromised by big pharma.  Long before Covid and the covid vaccine.  The covid vaccine just made it all the more obvious to everyday people. 

 

Doctors are very quick to prescribe pills for any illness and we know big pharma is driving medical decisions these days. 

The FDA and CDC are compromised.  Public trust is way down.  They aren't doing their jobs to protect people right now.

How can any doctor actually following their guidance to give boosters to 5 year old kids?  Warning signs are there, but being ignored in favor of the dollar.  Its sickening what medicine has become. 

[jerryskids 7,083]

13 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Yes, since this vaccine is used globally i expect many western country epidemiologists to study the issue, not just those in the united states. I also believe the medical community is not out to get us, while also understanding that they make mistakes. There are many past mistakes in all line of science, however they are not malignant and do not want to cause the public harm.

Science may come out in the future that they may not be as safe as what doctors believe today, however i will wait on the data to support that. In the mean time we do no they are no where near as dangerous as what some people are saying here.

 

My concern is not a mistake per se, of course those happen all of the time.  My concern was the assertion that they were safe when we had no data to make any conclusion on long-term safety.  I do not consider that a "mistake."  

That being said, the latest "Honestly" pod had an interview with Emily Oster, the woman who has written a lot of popular pregnancy/parenting books, then was very vocal on keeping schools open (pissing off the Left), then advocated forgiving the people who kept the schools closed and moving on (pissing off the Right).  She made a comment about something which in hindsight I knew, but sometimes it helps to hear it to remind you.  Anyway she basically said that the messaging in things like health emergencies intentionally avoids nuance.  If you say "well, this age range can do this but not that, and if you are healthy you can do that but not this..." it is confusing.  Keep it simple stupid.  I get that.  But she then said that this unwritten rule was broken when, say, bars and restaurants opened up, but schools remained closed, particularly when the data clearly showed that kids were less at risk (if you were going to choose nuance, you would have done the opposite).

So I would not be surprised if somewhere in a dark room somebody said "look, we don't know if this vax will cause some people to grow three eyes in the future, but people are dying in droves now, let's deal with that later."  

My take-away is to expect such positions in the future, and to filter the messaging through my bullshiot meter to add appropriate nuance.  Which I was doing anyway.   

[Djgb13 2,339]

I don’t know why anyone is listening to Hack. He’s got zero clue about medicine, goes against what actual medical professionals tell him, refuses to believe actual data and facts, etc. Hell, Dr Fauci himself is being sued for lying and censoring info about the vaccine on social media companies. But of course, Hack is just going to believe what he’s literally been programmed to believe. Y’all are fighting a losing battle because that idiot is a literal NPC and you can’t change those characters 

[TimHauck 3,307]

1 hour ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

 

I agree with Tim, but with a very large caveat. They are not very useful for the general population because covid is endemic and because the protection offered does not last very long. For the covid vaccines to be effective we would need to get the shot multiple times per year which is something that is not practical nor should be done for your average healthy adult. We have no idea what the effect of multiple vaccines per year have on a healthy adults over a long period of time. I do not have a link, but i have read where too many of the same vaccine can have a negative effect, I am not going to search medical studies for that paper though.

 

However, my 94 year old grandpa with tons of other health issues has been getting a shot at every recommended interval. I am not sure how many boosters he is up to but so far he is still doing well. The short term effect of Covid for him is much more of a concern than the long term effects of getting a vaccine multiple times.

He is an extreme example, and even someone such as my 70+ year old inlaws benefit from getting booster shots 1-2 times a year prior to a new covid wave.

 

There are many studies showing the protection of 2 doses continues to be very strong for non-elderly people.   For elderly people, there is some data suggesting the boosters have been helpful particularly for those that were not previously infected.   If previously infected then there may not be much benefit to multiple boosters but I haven't seen any good evidence that there is "negative" benefit, especially for hospitalization/death (some claim to show for vs. infection but likely confounded). 

I posted this earlier:

 

 

[MTSkiBum 1,626]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There are many studies showing the protection of 2 doses continues to be very strong for non-elderly people.   For elderly people, there is some data suggesting the boosters have been helpful particularly for those that were not previously infected.   If previously infected then there may not be much benefit to multiple boosters but I haven't seen any good evidence that there is "negative" benefit, especially for hospitalization/death (some claim to show for vs. infection but likely confounded). 

I posted this earlier:

 

 

 

I do not read twitter nor news sites for medical news. Only medical journals such as NEJM, NIH, or similar.  If you have a link that a 2 shot regime is still providing protection after more than a year(2 years?) I would be interested to read it.

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

“Sudden cardiac arrest is the leading cause of death in HS athletes” 

https://www.today.com/health/health/18-year-old-dies-cardiac-arrest-gym-class-rcna65274?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR2nC7LQ9r9974QDeslGnyQ60DUU8dGNpuHbxrG_MG6dmDZMJRCLgpiiiKg&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

 

Gee, I wonder why? 

[Reality 3,121]

 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

14 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

“Sudden cardiac arrest is the leading cause of death in HS athletes” 

https://www.today.com/health/health/18-year-old-dies-cardiac-arrest-gym-class-rcna65274?cid=sm_npd_td_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR2nC7LQ9r9974QDeslGnyQ60DUU8dGNpuHbxrG_MG6dmDZMJRCLgpiiiKg&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

 

Gee, I wonder why? 

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/10/20/indiana-high-school-athletes-die-sudden-cardiac-arrest/5504764001/

Prior to the vaccine.  I wonder why?

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

22 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/10/20/indiana-high-school-athletes-die-sudden-cardiac-arrest/5504764001/

Prior to the vaccine.  I wonder why?

 

Not talking about just this ONE guy dumb ass. This is NOW. He is one example from before so they can be like you. “WeLl It WaS bEfOrE durrr”

[Shooter McGavin 618]

Just now, Djgb13 said:

Not talking about just this ONE guy dumb ass. This is NOW. He is one example from before so they can be like you. “WeLl It WaS bEfOrE durrr”

You didn't read the article.

"In high school athletes, sudden cardiac arrest is the No. 1 cause of death."

This article was published in October 2021.

Check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/

Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is the most frequent medical cause of sudden death in athletes, and estimates vary widely based on the population.

Date: Apr-Jun 2016 

You don't know anything about medicine, fock face.  Same with business.  You are the dumbest person here, and you have really proven that today.  Might be time to go back to the mall.

[TimHauck 3,307]

Ouch.  Digby should probably bow out for awhile

[Strike 6,017]

Biden administration extending the Covid state of emergency:

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As a result of the continued consequences of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, on this date and after consultation with public health officials as necessary, I, Xavier Becerra, Secretary of Health and Human Services, pursuant to the authority vested in me under section 319 of the Public Health Service Act, do hereby renew, effective January 11, 2023, the January 31, 2020, determination by former Secretary Alex M. Azar II, that he previously renewed on April 21, 2020, July 23, 2020, October 2, 2020, and January 7, 2021, and that I renewed on April 15, 2021, July 19, 2021, October 15, 2021, January 14, 2022, April 12, 2022, July 15, 2022, and October 13, 2022, that a public health emergency exists and has existed since January 27, 2020, nationwide

When will the Pandemic ever end? 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

Biden administration extending the Covid state of emergency:

When will the Pandemic ever end? 

Gotta keep it alive to push through student loan bailouts

[TimHauck 3,307]

5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I don't think the vaxxes are killing people in droves.  But this article is a little disingenuous.  For instance it says that a significant factor is the delay in treatments, which on the surface I would agree should affect excess deaths.  But here is what it actually says:

This is presented to seem compelling, but what it does is conflate the target time to the actual time before the big run-up (early 2022?).  Was it 47 minutes?  10 minutes?  Clearly they have this data; why not plot that and show the correlation?   

I don't see the specific answer to your question, so that's a fair criticism, however it does link to another article which states:

"More than 40% of crews were forced to wait at least half an hour to hand over patients in the week up to 1 January. That is the highest level since records began a decade ago."

It also has a chart showing the "% of ambulances queing outside A&E for over 30 minutes" going back to December 2019, where winter 2022 is by far the highest.

And as previously mentioned, in terms of the overall point of a "delay in treatments," the original article also shows the data point of the decline in blood pressure prescriptions.

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:

You didn't read the article.

"In high school athletes, sudden cardiac arrest is the No. 1 cause of death."

This article was published in October 2021.

Check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4969030/

Sudden cardiac death (SCD) is the most frequent medical cause of sudden death in athletes, and estimates vary widely based on the population.

Date: Apr-Jun 2016 

You don't know anything about medicine, fock face.  Same with business.  You are the dumbest person here, and you have really proven that today.  Might be time to go back to the mall.

Sorry that I literally took the headline from the news source and posted it on there numbnuts

[Shooter McGavin 618]

1 hour ago, Djgb13 said:

Sorry that I literally took the headline from the news source and posted it on there numbnuts

So you admit that sudden cardiac arrest has been the leading cause of death for high school athletes before covid?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

So you admit that sudden cardiac arrest has been the leading cause of death for high school athletes before covid?

When you say leading does that mean there hasn’t been an increase in the number? It could be  # 1 with 500 deaths and 1k. So the real question is has there been a significant increase, not it’s ranking. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

When you leading does that mean there hasn’t been an increase in the number? It could be  # 1 with 500 deaths and 1k. So the real question is has there been a significant increase, not it’s ranking. 

Thats a great question, I don't know the answer.

But when trolls like digby say it's the leading cause and blame the vaccine, it's misinformation.

He doesn't know sh1t about the medical field

[Djgb13 2,339]

12 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

So you admit that sudden cardiac arrest has been the leading cause of death for high school athletes before covid?

What? I have no clue what you’re talking about. Honestly I’ve hardly read what you’ve written cause I figure there’s no point

[Shooter McGavin 618]

15 minutes ago, Djgb13 said:

What? I have no clue what you’re talking about. Honestly I’ve hardly read what you’ve written cause I figure there’s no point

I curb stomped you, so best to just claim you don't understand or didn't read it.

[Djgb13 2,339]

2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I curb stomped you, so best to just claim you don't understand or didn't read it.

Sure you did bud. Have fun. 

[TimHauck 3,307]

5 hours ago, Djgb13 said:

I have no clue 

No lies detected

[Baker Boy 1,710]

https://babylonbee.com/news/9-surprising-benefits-of-the-vaccine
9 Surprising Benefits Of The Vaccine

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Check out these surprising benefits of the COVID vaccine:

1. You are now better than everyone else: This must be how Ryan Reynolds Timmy feels.
2. Wearing a mask is even more fun when vaccinated: You don't just look like a superhero, you are one.
3. You now have a good excuse not to exercise because your heart might explode: More time for Netflix!
4. Even if no one asks to see your vax card, you know it's there in your wallet and that is a really special feeling: Priceless.
5. Your year-round routine of staying locked in your home gets spiced up twice a year with booster trips: Nice!
6. You'll be thanked by name during Pfizer's quarterly earnings report: We all need to do our part to keep big pharma in business.
7. Your mRNA has been turned into LGBTQNA: Intersectionality!
8. The third arm will help you in charades: And with climbing rocks.
9. Your death can be sudden instead of long and drawn out: Whew! What a relief.

 

 

[TimHauck 3,307]

On 1/11/2023 at 1:11 PM, MTSkiBum said:

 

I do not read twitter nor news sites for medical news. Only medical journals such as NEJM, NIH, or similar.  If you have a link that a 2 shot regime is still providing protection after more than a year(2 years?) I would be interested to read it.

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9500552/#__ffn_sectitle

“In this study, in contrast to high estimated VE against symptomatic Delta infection and severe outcomes after 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccine, estimated VE was modest and short term against symptomatic Omicron infection but better maintained against severe outcomes.” 

When defining Omicron as occurring after 12/21/21, VE effectiveness against severe outcomes (hospitalization or death) was 93% 240 or more days after the second dose (95% CI: 77% to 98%).

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9436060/
 

“Vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 hospitalization after 2 mRNA doses

Among individuals aged 12 to 59 years, VE against COVID-19 hospitalization following infection with the Omicron variant was 96.2% (95% CI: 72.9; 99.5) 14 to 30 days since vaccination and 77.6% (95% CI: 72.6; 81.6) >120 days since vaccination.”

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8905308/

“Effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines to prevent covid-19 associated hospital admissions was 85% (95% confidence interval 82% to 88%) for two vaccine doses against the alpha variant, 85% (83% to 87%) for two doses against the delta variant, 94% (92% to 95%) for three doses against the delta variant, 65% (51% to 75%) for two doses against the omicron variant; and 86% (77% to 91%) for three doses against the omicron variant.”  (I don’t believe this had any breakdowns by age)

 

 

 

Moderna only: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9117141/?report=reader

“In analyses of two-dose VE against Delta infection by time since receipt of dose 2, VE at 14–90 days was 80.2% (68.2–87.7%) and subsequently declined, with VE of 68.9% (60.1–75.8%) at 91–180 days, 63.7% (59.8–67.2%) at 181–270 days and 61.3% (55.0–66.7%) at >270 days” (I believe also not broken down by age)

 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

Be prepared to shift to the narrative that "Long covid" is what is causing our spike in mortality

[lod001 1,345]

 

14 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Be prepared to shift to the narrative that "Long covid" is what is causing our spike in mortality

What about 'medium covid'. 

 

 

[lod001 1,345]

We are getting their slowly with of course no help form this corrupt govt.

 

 

[TimHauck 3,307]

9 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Be prepared to shift to the narrative that "Long covid" is what is causing our spike in mortality

Not necessarily "long covid," but covid itself (or possibly impacts shortly after getting covid, unless you are calling that "long covid" - or maybe people are calling this "medium covid" but 2 minutes ago was the first I've heard that term) still a major driver in 2022.