Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Thornton Melon 623]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

I have little confidence in the vaccine. I think it's just placebo.

They're spending a lot of money on a placebo?

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

https://www.westernjournal.com/people-reportedly-died-gunshot-wounds-look-deaths-classified/

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

15 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

They're spending a lot of money on a placebo?

They spent a lot of money on watching crabs run on treadmills too. They aren't frugal with our money, in case you didn't know.

[Thornton Melon 623]

11 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

They spent a lot of money on watching crabs run on treadmills too. They aren't frugal with our money, in case you didn't know.

Pfizer spent their own money developing their vaccine. Is it a placebo?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,508]

11 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

Pfizer spent their own money developing their vaccine. Is it a placebo?

Huh? 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

This is untrue.  While old people are a high-risk category, especially for death,  younger people can still catch the disease and need treatment.

Where did I say the can't catch it and don't need treatment?   

I stated focusing the vaccine on strictly high risk cases will lower hospital rates.  I think I'll stand by that. 

[Thornton Melon 623]

30 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Huh? 

Pfizer assumed the risk, and put up their own money for development and manufacturing. They didn't take any money up front. Yes, they are selling an initial 100 million doses for $2B of our money, with more to come later. My point was that they didn't spend a bunch of money and somehow make a fake vaccine with fake product testing and fake clinical trial results.

[TimHauck 2,909]

I will admit that I have some reservations about Moderna considering they’ve never had an actual product before.   Zero to 200 million is a big jump.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,508]

22 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

Pfizer assumed the risk, and put up their own money for development and manufacturing. They didn't take any money up front. Yes, they are selling an initial 100 million doses for $2B of our money, with more to come later. My point was that they didn't spend a bunch of money and somehow make a fake vaccine with fake product testing and fake clinical trial results.

Their money was never at risk. You know  this. 

[TimHauck 2,909]

On the plus side for Moderna - theirs is supposedly easier to transport and store, so Trump saving the country money and being able to get it to rural areas easier may have been part of the decision to order more of the one.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/health/moderna-vaccine-what-we-know/index.html

[Thornton Melon 623]

24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Their money was never at risk. You know  this. 

Yeah, I'm sure they would've gotten some relief if it didn't pan out, just for giving it the ole college try.

[lod001 1,344]

pfizer's is garbage. Needs stored at ridiculous temperatures, probably doesn't even work. My guess is after this bug mutates some more it will be useless.

They powers at be will 'roll it into the normal flu vaccine' and will tell you that the flu vaccine now covers covid. That is how they will phase out covid.

[lod001 1,344]

3 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

You know whatever is in the syringe that the politicians are taking is.  

Guaranteed. None of them are taking a chance of becoming a mutant or dead on an experimental vaccine for a virus that kills the weak and unhealthy.

[TimHauck 2,909]

FDA briefings for each vaccine:

Moderna: https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download

Pfizer: https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

 

I can’t really decipher if one or the other has less side effects.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,508]

34 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

Yeah, I'm sure they would've gotten some relief if it didn't pan out, just for giving it the ole college try.

Not some. All. They wouldn’t have to pay taxes forever. The write down would have been epic and who was going to question it? Trump wrote things down for years that happened prior to filing his taxes in a given year. 

[lod001 1,344]

Someone just nuke this planet already.

 

[nobody 2,691]

Come on.  0 chance that isn't fake

[Fireballer 2,642]

 

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

All we've heard since March is the left peddle the number of deaths and blood on Trumps hands.  Now they're gonna deny the most vulnerable,  needlessly killing thousands more, in the name of being woke.  You can't make this shat up.

[TimHauck 2,909]

Is it the left doing it though?  It seems like it’s a lot of the industries not all of which are lefties (such as food processing plants) lobbying for it.

[Utilit99 4,099]

47 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

 

Let's get rid of whitey cause the inhabitants of Africa way back in the 1800s captured and enslaved their own people and sold them off for profit.  Great idea. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Is it the left doing it though?  It seems like it’s a lot of the industries not all of which are lefties (such as food processing plants) lobbying for it.

Apples and oranges.  Food processors couldn't give a sh!t if they had 100% white male employees, they would still want their workers vaccinated.  Lefties want to give the vaccine specifically to minorities even though other demographics have an exponentially larger rate of death.

[naomi 356]

Tested positive yesterday (started isolating last Sunday morning at symptom onset). I don't quite trust the testing but wound up needing to do it. I did a rapid antigen (not antibody) test rather than PCR. So far, doing decent, but threw a wrench into some other people's plans, which stinks. I stayed away from my friend who's very careful about C19 for two weeks, on the heels of Thanksgiving, which he spent alone. Then we hung out the night before my symptoms set in. Best laid plans of mice and men.

[TimHauck 2,909]

Moderna vaccine only has about 1/10 the minimum order of Pfizer’s, and may also prevent asymptomatic infection (haven’t seen any details on if Pfizer’s has looked at that).

Starting to seem like Trump may have made a good move going heavier on Moderna.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/19/a-side-by-side-comparison-of-the-pfizer-biontech-and-moderna-vaccines/

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-moderna-asymptomatic/moderna-says-its-covid-19-vaccine-may-prevent-asymptomatic-infection-idUSFWN2IV07D

[drobeski 3,061]

Why is Florida doing so well with this as apposed to places like New York, Massachusetts and New Jersey? 

Not locked down,  larger population? Whats going on here ? 

DeSantis > Coumo ? 

[Cdub100 3,930]

27 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Why is Florida doing so well with this as apposed to places like New York, Massachusetts and New Jersey? 

Not locked down,  larger population? Whats going on here ? 

DeSantis > Coumo ? 

Disney magic keeps the covid away.

[wiffleball 4,790]

44 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Why is Florida doing so well with this as apposed to places like New York, Massachusetts and New Jersey? 

Not locked down,  larger population? Whats going on here ? 

DeSantis > Coumo ? 

All told, Florida is reporting 1,193,165 cases – an increase of 11,682 from Friday to Saturday. Of those, 1,173,409 are residents. A total of 61,433 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

 

Florida is not doing too bad, but neither is NJ or New York.

Tennessee, California, Rhode Island, and Nevada are doing the worst.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

 

[drobeski 3,061]

17 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

All told, Florida is reporting 1,193,165 cases – an increase of 11,682 from Friday to Saturday. Of those, 1,173,409 are residents. A total of 61,433 

Cases ..

 Lol

Give me death rates.... you know, the numbers that actually focking matter. Clowns.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,508]

Just now, drobeski said:

Cases ..

 Lol

They still don’t get it. They need this and won’t be letting doubt creep into it. 

[drobeski 3,061]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

They still don’t get it. They need this and won’t be letting doubt creep into it. 

They're sick in the head

[Utilit99 4,099]

They come right out and admit that if someone who tested positive for the chinese flu and dies in a motorcycle accident it counts as a covid death in the numbers. And they are following the CDC's practices of this. 

PORTLAND, Ore. — Fred Creasy was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer at the end of June. Doctors gave the 81-year-old just 30 days to live. He died at the end of July while in hospice care at Avamere Rehabilitation Facility in Newport.

“They told my daughter you better come down here because it's going to be today. And within five hours he was gone,” said daughter Rhonda McCrary.

A KGW investigation raises questions over how the state of Oregon tracks COVID-19 deaths.

McCrary said her father tested positive for COVID-19 around the same time of his cancer diagnosis.

“He had no symptoms. He wasn't even quarantined,” said McCrary.

McCrary said her dad died from advanced cancer and Avamere considered Creasy recovered from the coronavirus. A few days after his death, Lincoln County Public Health reported Creasy as the county’s ninth COVID-19 death.

“I mean, that’s not what he died from. He died from colon cancer, not COVID and places are listing loved ones as COVID deaths. And they're labeling that and it's just not true,” said McCrary.

McCrary said Creasy died with COVID-19, not from COVID-19, and there’s obviously a difference.

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According to the Oregon Health Authority (OHA), there is no difference when it comes to tracking and reporting COVID deaths. OHA spokesman Jonathan Modie explained in an email how the state determines what is counted as a COVID-19 death:

We consider COVID-19 deaths to be: 

Deaths in which a patient hospitalized for any reason within 14 days of a positive COVID-19 test result dies in the hospital or within the 60 days following discharge

 

So what does that policy mean in practice? We asked Modie about a hypothetical case where someone died from a motorcycle crash and also had COVID-19. Would that be counted as a COVID-19 death?

“It would be,” Modie explained. “But I must go back to the point about how we used this data, which is to help us track how COVID-19 is spread in the community.”

He added that the state follows the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines for reporting deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721

[Utilit99 4,099]

So in the above article they are using the "died from covid" death designation tag simply to track the number of cases out there. Which is pissing people off because they are tallying false numbers and those who lose someone to cancer or what have you are being reported to with lies. It's all a lie.

[TimHauck 2,909]

19 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

So in the above article they are using the "died from covid" death designation tag simply to track the number of cases out there. Which is pissing people off because they are tallying false numbers and those who lose someone to cancer or what have you are being reported to with lies. It's all a lie.

There are 2 different numbers.  Yes, there is one that says “with covid.”  But there is also one that lists if covid was the underlying cause.  Last I checked for about 90% of the “with covid” ones also have it as the underlying cause.

[TimHauck 2,909]

33 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Cases ..

 Lol

Give me death rates.... you know, the numbers that actually focking matter. Clowns.

So about average for the US in terms of deaths/MM population is “well” now?

If Florida were a country, it would be #17 in terms of total deaths, despite having about half the population of all the countries above it.

But yeah, I was kinda expecting Florida would look worse due to all the old people.  I’d guess it’s the weather.  I have read some studies saying it spreads the most when temps are 40-60 degrees.  Which could help explain some of the Midwest states already starting their downward trend of new deaths despite some theorizing the winter would continue to make it worse.

 

 

 

 

 

[frank 2,307]

16 hours ago, naomi said:

Tested positive yesterday (started isolating last Sunday morning at symptom onset). I don't quite trust the testing but wound up needing to do it. I did a rapid antigen (not antibody) test rather than PCR. So far, doing decent, but threw a wrench into some other people's plans, which stinks. I stayed away from my friend who's very careful about C19 for two weeks, on the heels of Thanksgiving, which he spent alone. Then we hung out the night before my symptoms set in and yadda yadda yadda I’m really tired today. 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

were all focked

UK reporting a completely mutated strain

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,508]

36 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

were all focked

UK reporting a completely mutated strain

 

So if Biden shuts down travel will that be considered xenophobic? Fockin liberals put their soft minded ideology over our safety. And they still don’t see how they are being used by globalists, no matter how obvious it is. Suckers, marks, dupes and rubes. 

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/531070-birx-traveled-over-thanksgiving-weekend-after-warning-americans-to

[Fireballer 2,642]

3 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/531070-birx-traveled-over-thanksgiving-weekend-after-warning-americans-to

Yawn...these beurocatic fukers are so arrogant and think they are unaccountable to the people.  Fuk em.