Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,905]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

So the President shouldn't get the vaccine? 

Who decides who is "good enough" to get the vaccine? 

I mean define “covid denier”.  I wouldn’t really call Trump a covid denier, he was hospitalized from it after all

[TimHauck 2,905]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

So the President shouldn't get the vaccine? 

Who decides who is "good enough" to get the vaccine? 

And again I never said they didn’t “deserve” the vaccine.  Just I would think a “covid denier” wouldn’t want it to begin with.

[TimHauck 2,905]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

ill try, you supported Obama who was actually against illegal immigration, and now you support Biden who supports open borders and benefits to all illegals

 

I voted for Trump.  These other trolls know this

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Just now, TimHauck said:

I voted for Trump.  These other trolls know this

oh, I havent really paid attention just saw the last page

 

[TimHauck 2,905]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

oh, I havent really paid attention just saw the last page

 

I didn’t say anything about Biden or Obama

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t say anything about Biden or Obama

I just saw you going back and forth with the usual suspects assumed you are antifa and went with it

 

[TimHauck 2,905]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I just saw you going back and forth with the usual suspects assumed you are antifa and went with it

 

No worries. Save LaSalle Baseball

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[KSB2424 3,148]

5 hours ago, nobody said:

Eh, I'm willing to take the leap of logic that keeping people away from each other helps slow the spread. 

At this point though, it's pretty obvious people don't really care very much about slowing the spread.  I'm onboard with that, too, of course.  I say open everything up and roll out the vaccines as fast as you can.  I will say this though... Lockdowns in there current form aren't effective.  No one is following them, so we're just bankrupting businesses for no reason.  If people don't care why are we doing this?

Yup.  I just don't get how some of y'all  (not you nobody) say lock-downs / social distancing / masks don't work or slow the spread.   Of course it does, but that's not the real question.  The real question is does it slow ENOUGH to outweigh all the negative costs of doing so long term. You know things like ruining businesses, all things economy, not to mention things like substance abuse, alcoholism, mental health, kids regressing, depression, anxiety, on and on and on and on and on.  

At my work after a project is completed we always have an after action review to figure out what went right, wrong and what we can do different,  My Covid AAR:

What went right:  The initial travel ban from China and Operation Warp Speed.  Even with 20/20 hindsight would do the same and both were / are crucial.

What went wrong:   Not initially identifying Nursing Homes / Long Term Care Facilitates as hot spots for deaths.  Should have immediately locked those down and no patients sent back to them if testing positive or even having symptoms.   

What could have been better:   How lock-downs and mask mandates were arbitrarily thought through.  I do put some blame on the Trump administration for not really putting out a comprehensive Federal plan for schools - business.  Even if it was just guidelines.  He punted to the states, which does make sense as South Dakota is different than New Jersey but even said I feel like the ball was dropped a bit there.  Also complete lock-downs and no school have been a net negative.  Should have kept it open with common sense controls and guidelines.  i.e. I wholeheartedly believe more people would wear a mask if they were advised to and given reasons why opposed to being TOLD too.   

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Dana White is great.  Portnoy is great.  Real Americans with a backbone.

[Gladiators 1,993]

25 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

Thanks for posting. That was focking awesome. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Pfizer and BioNTech announced a second agreement with the U.S. government to supply an additional 100 million doses of the companies’ vaccine. This agreement brings the total number of doses to be delivered to the U.S. by July 31 to 200 million. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

 The comments to this are hilarious. 

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1339720194718113794?s=20

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

Trump should get a medal for operation warp speed. Stellar job. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump should get a medal for operation warp speed. Stellar job. 

It's been one of the best things I've seen him accomplish.  Only hiccup I've seen it have is that it overestimated the amount of vaccines it had available by 20% in some states.  Iowa got shorted on the amount of vaccines received.

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[lickin_starfish 1,942]

7 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Iowa got shorted on the amount of vaccines received.

You can have my dose. I don't need it.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, lickin_starfish said:

You can have my dose. I don't need it.

I won't be getting it right away.  I just had the virus a month and a half ago.

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2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I just had the virus a month and a half ago.

My condolences to your family. You were gone too soon.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said:

My condolences to your family. You were gone too soon.

Don’t be an ass. I’ve lost two people close to be me from it. It’s amazing how incredibly stupid some of you are.

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11 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 The comments to this are hilarious. 

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1339720194718113794?s=20

Yep a bunch of uneducated libtards spouting off. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yep a bunch of uneducated libtards spouting off. 

That’s the only things you pulled from that?  You don’t see all of the other idiots responding too?  It’s not one sided. 

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11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Don’t be an ass. I’ve lost two people close to be me from it. It’s amazing how incredibly stupid some of you are.

 

It should not surprise you. Most of the folks here are aholes. 

[nobody 2,687]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Don’t be an ass. I’ve lost two people close to be me from it. It’s amazing how incredibly stupid some of you are.

If you're coming here for solemnity over the death of loved ones no one here knows, you've come to the wrong place.  If we had to be be sad for every person that died, we'd do nothing but be sad all the time.  You get the meaningless "sorry to hear that," and that's it.

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That’s the only things you pulled from that?  You don’t see all of the other idiots responding too?  It’s not one sided. 

I dont go on twitter

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

40 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont go on twitter

Why respond if you didn’t read any of it?

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https://gbdeclaration.org/

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4 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

 

It should not surprise you. Most of the folks here are aholes. 

And a few are really sensitive.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/dannolane/status/1341895046841319424?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1341895046841319424|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Fp%2F11RNk63KH0%2Fhospitals-are-overloaded-guys%2Fc%2F

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3 hours ago, lickin_starfish said:

https://mobile.twitter.com/dannolane/status/1341895046841319424?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1341895046841319424|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthedonald.win%2Fp%2F11RNk63KH0%2Fhospitals-are-overloaded-guys%2Fc%2F

We should hold a benefit for them. I saw one for teachers the other day. 

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On 12/22/2020 at 2:48 PM, Strike said:

 

What a great video, I’m fully behind Dana whites decisions this year. The proof is in the pudding, he grew his brand and profits by a ton and kept everyone in business making money. He’s very rich, he didn’t care about himself making money, he wanted to bring his product to the fans and keep the machine going. Everyone at home is the biggest opportunity for social media and ppv exposure in the literal history of the world. He would have been silly to not do what he did. 

[TimHauck 2,905]

12 hours ago, Strike said:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30032-5

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8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30032-5

It's like you didn't even read my link.  Why am I not surprised? 

[TimHauck 2,905]

Just now, Strike said:

It's like you didn't even read my link.  Why am I not surprised? 

I did.  Did you read mine?

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I did.  Did you read mine?

I read this far:

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Population-level herd immunity is critical for long-term control of SARS-CoV-2. However, proposals to reach the herd immunity threshold through naturally acquired infection, rather than vaccination, have complicated public health efforts and popularized policies that will lead to widespread transmission and mortality. Vaccination is the only viable path to herd immunity.

Does the rest of the article say anything different or just try to justify that position?

[TimHauck 2,905]

The Great Barrington Declaration has a couple decent points, but it has far more flaws, most notably:

-It’s basically assuming the alternative is lockdown which is not the case, and like 99% of people don’t want.

-It doesn’t really specify how to “protect the vulnerable”

-It doesn’t seem to factor the number of people in the US with comorbidities that significantly increase their risk.   As a result, it is likely underestimating the inevitable death toll this strategy would result in.

-It doesn’t seem to factor that while young people have a low risk of death, the risk of hospitalization is not nearly as low, plus of course there’s the catchphrase of “we don’t know the long term effects.”  Overwhelming hospitals would seem a certainty in this scenario

-A couple of those suggestions just seem reckless.   Like why make people go into an office if they can work just as effectively at home?

-You probably accurately summarized my link however it provided reasoning for how it got to that conclusion.  Apparently the world has never reached herd immunity from a disease through natural infection and if we could it could take years.  In addition, the research suggests immunity from a vaccine should be more effective anyway.

We’ve waited 9 months.  All signs point to that we have an effective vaccine.  Seems silly to just throw everything out the window when in 6 months or so we could probably have a significant number of people vaccinated - especially the most vulnerable. 

Again, I say open everything up where social distancing is possible.  But telling people to just “go back to how it was” sounds like a recipe for disaster.

 

 

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1 hour ago, tanatastic said:

What a great video, I’m fully behind Dana whites decisions this year. The proof is in the pudding, he grew his brand and profits by a ton and kept everyone in business making money. He’s very rich, he didn’t care about himself making money, he wanted to bring his product to the fans and keep the machine going. Everyone at home is the biggest opportunity for social media and ppv exposure in the literal history of the world. He would have been silly to not do what he did. 

Awesome video. Thanks for sharing.

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On 12/23/2020 at 7:48 PM, Hawkeye21 said:

Why respond if you didn’t read any of it?

cause I watched a youtube video on the very post in discussion

 

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The who changed its definition of "herd immunity" 

Now according to its definition,  it requires a vaccine to obtain. 

Why the change ?

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48 minutes ago, drobeski said:

The who changed its definition of "herd immunity" 

Now according to its definition,  it requires a vaccine to obtain. 

Why the change ?

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