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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Now you’re deflecting because you know I’m right. Try and talk about what you said, not what you think about my thoughts, which you’re making up. 

😂  Deflecting?  Have fun being mad online.

Stop trying to make more out of what others say so often.  You may live a happier life.

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Just now, drobeski said:

Wowsa those pesky meaningless RATES! THE HORROR!

Not sure what you're getting at here but yeah, we've had a lot of our population test positive.  Most likely because we've been pretty open and people are in contact with each other a lot.  It is what it is.  I still don't think shutting down is the answer.

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25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Kids are in school plenty of places.  My kids have been in school all year.

Werent you preaching how very bad it was in Iowa? 

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Werent you preaching how very bad it was in Iowa? 

I said a lot of people have been positive for COVID, which is accurate.  There have also been a lot of deaths from COVID, including a close friend and my grandma.  What's your point?

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50 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Kids are in school plenty of places.  My kids have been in school all year.

Your area clearly isn't woke to the danger. 

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7 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Your area clearly isn't woke to the danger. 

You have to love these red state liberals who benefit from red state policy and don’t see what’s up. 

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32 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I said a lot of people have been positive for COVID, which is accurate.  There have also been a lot of deaths from COVID, including a close friend and my grandma.  What's your point?

If it is that bad why would schools be fully open? It isnt that bad where I live and they are semi open.  

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23 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

If it is that bad why would schools be fully open? It isnt that bad where I live and they are semi open.  

I'm not the one to ask that question.  I don't make the decisions.

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1 hour ago, drobeski said:

Whats your take on the fact that lockdowns don't work whatsoever yet we continue to implement them all over? 

Proof that they don't "work"?

I think they "work" (as in, slow the spread) and I would say the second wave of deaths that started in July (meaning people were probably infected in May/June when many restrictions were being lifted) suggests this. 

I think they were probably necessary in March/April to allow us to learn about the disease and ensure the health care system wasn't overwhelmed in the very beginning, but at this point I don't think anything except for maybe nightclubs should really be closed completely.   I think any business that can operate with social distancing measures in place should be allowed to be open.

I mean it's pretty much common sense.   If people don't go anywhere then they're not going to get it.   But you can't keep people locked in their homes for that long, unless you are China.

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Proof that they don't "work"?

I think they "work" (as in, slow the spread) and I would say the second wave of deaths that started in July (meaning people were probably infected in May/June when many restrictions were being lifted) suggests this. 

I think they were probably necessary in March/April to allow us to learn about the disease and ensure the health care system wasn't overwhelmed in the very beginning, but at this point I don't think anything except for maybe nightclubs should really be closed completely.   I think any business that can operate with social distancing measures in place should be allowed to be open.

I mean it's pretty much common sense.   If people don't go anywhere then they're not going to get it.   But you can't keep people locked in their homes for that long, unless you are China.

If they worked then the numbers would have gone down after we implemented the lockdowns a 2nd/3rd time.  But they haven't.  The lockdowns haven't made a damn bit of difference.  A study came out yesterday that compared counties with lockdowns to counties without.  Guess what it found?  Not a damn bit of difference. 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

If they worked then the numbers would have gone down after we implemented the lockdowns a 2nd/3rd time.  But they haven't.  The lockdowns haven't made a damn bit of difference.

The first lockdowns were much more adhered to thanks to the media fear campaign.  The streets were empty in Los Angeles of all places during the first lockdown (I'm one of your heroic essential workers so I was out and about the whole time).  During the 2nd and 3rd lockdowns, people wised up and just kept going about their lives.  The only thing the lockdowns are doing is keeping us in LA from eating in restaurants and going to bars.

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Just now, nobody said:

The first lockdowns were much more adhered to thanks to the media fear campaign.  The streets were empty in Los Angeles of all places during the first lockdown (I'm one of your heroic essential workers so I was out and about the whole time).  During the 2nd and 3rd lockdowns, people wised up and just kept going about their lives.  The only thing the lockdowns are doing is keeping us in LA from eating in restaurants and going to bars.

Sure.  None of that proves lockdowns worked, in either case.  And it doesn't help that the people telling us to isolate (Hello Gavin Newsom, Dr. Birx) aren't doing so themselves.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Sure.  None of that proves lockdowns worked, in either case.  And it doesn't help that the people telling us to isolate (Hello Gavin Newsom, Dr. Birx) aren't doing so themselves.

Agree wholeheartedly with the second part, but when people actually stayed home infections did go down.  We're just ignoring the stay-at-home orders now, so they're less effective.  

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Just now, nobody said:

Agree wholeheartedly with the second part, but when people actually stayed home infections did go down.  We're just ignoring the stay-at-home orders now, so they're less effective.  

This is not proven.  It just as easily could have been that the weather got warmer.  Most viruses become less potent with warmer weather.  That's why June isn't flu season.  Now that we're getting in to colder weather the numbers are increasing again.  That's the problem with all of this.  There are variables and as of yet there is no proof that the lockdowns help, but a lot of proof that they hurt. 

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Eh, I'm willing to take the leap of logic that keeping people away from each other helps slow the spread. 

At this point though, it's pretty obvious people don't really care very much about slowing the spread.  I'm onboard with that, too, of course.  I say open everything up and roll out the vaccines as fast as you can.  I will say this though... Lockdowns in there current form aren't effective.  No one is following them, so we're just bankrupting businesses for no reason.  If people don't care why are we doing this?

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33 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is not proven.  It just as easily could have been that the weather got warmer.  Most viruses become less potent with warmer weather.  That's why June isn't flu season.  Now that we're getting in to colder weather the numbers are increasing again.  That's the problem with all of this.  There are variables and as of yet there is no proof that the lockdowns help, but a lot of proof that they hurt. 

Eh, I think the weather plays a role however we also had the second peak of deaths occur right around 7/31 which is pretty much the hottest point of the summer.

Define hurt?   Hurt the economy yes and that's why I disagree with ones happening now.  Hurt people catching covid no.

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Eh, I think the weather plays a role however we also had the second peak of deaths occur right around 7/31 which is pretty much the hottest point of the summer.

Define hurt?   Hurt the economy yes and that's why I disagree with ones happening now.  Hurt people catching covid no.

They don't work, its been more than proven,  globally and locally. It was/is an experiment...thats never ever been done before. It failed, its proven.. Stop feeding the fear, its demented, sick and evil.  Just focking stop. 

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Eh, I think the weather plays a role however we also had the second peak of deaths occur right around 7/31 which is pretty much the hottest point of the summer.

Define hurt?   Hurt the economy yes and that's why I disagree with ones happening now.  Hurt people catching covid no.

ROFLMAO.  We've been over this countless times, and you still act like when someone talks about how the lockdown is hurting society all that comes to your mind is the economy and Covid?  Holy sh*t.

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49 minutes ago, Strike said:

If they worked then the numbers would have gone down after we implemented the lockdowns a 2nd/3rd time.  But they haven't.  The lockdowns haven't made a damn bit of difference.  A study came out yesterday that compared counties with lockdowns to counties without.  Guess what it found?  Not a damn bit of difference. 

As "nobody" alluded to, there weren't really 2nd or 3rd lockdowns.   For the most part all we're doing now is closing restaurants which I disagree with.

Link to study that came out yesterday?   The best real life example is probably Sweden vs. its neighboring countries.  Sure, Sweden may have had similar infection rates than other places around the country, but I believe the rates in all of their immediate neighbors was much less.

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

ROFLMAO.  We've been over this countless times, and you still act like when someone talks about how the lockdown is hurting society all that comes to your mind is the economy and Covid?  Holy sh*t.

I mean I was probably oversimplifying, but yeah the economy is pretty much the cause for the majority of "society's" problems that could have resulted from the lockdowns.

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Im reading on a decent number of adverse reactions from thr vaccine but MSM seems pretty mum on it.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Im reading on a decent number of adverse reactions from thr vaccine but MSM seems pretty mum on it.  

Wow, what a surprise.

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48 minutes ago, nobody said:

Eh, I'm willing to take the leap of logic that keeping people away from each other helps slow the spread. 

At this point though, it's pretty obvious people don't really care very much about slowing the spread.  I'm onboard with that, too, of course.  I say open everything up and roll out the vaccines as fast as you can.  I will say this though... Lockdowns in there current form aren't effective.  No one is following them, so we're just bankrupting businesses for no reason.  If people don't care why are we doing this?

I dont know of the evidence.  Places like Cali and thr UK seem to be hurting yet these places have been very strict comparatively.

But again the question is what is worth what? Slows thr spread? How much? And it the difference worth it? I read a study showing that lockdowns creating suicide and stress has hit people under 40 harder than covid has.

Also are they telling people who already had the covid to get vaccinated? Why?

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9 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Im reading on a decent number of adverse reactions from thr vaccine but MSM seems pretty mum on it.  

We really need specifics, either by % or number.  If there are 25 people that's a decent number but a very small percentage.  Adverse reaction is vague as well.  Some people get a rash when they get a vaccine.  That's an adverse reaction but not problematic.  I know one chick had to be admitted to an ICU so that would be pretty bad, but I don't think it's the norm.

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3 hours ago, drobeski said:

They don't work, its been more than proven,  globally and locally. It was/is an experiment...thats never ever been done before. It failed, its proven.. Stop feeding the fear, its demented, sick and evil.  Just focking stop. 

Again define “work.”  I’d say they work to slow the spread.  See Wuhan, New Zealand, etc.   But I’d admit it probably just delays the inevitable.

And that also doesn’t mean they are necessarily “needed.” Other countries have shown the ability to successfully manage covid primarily through extensive testing and contact tracing.  But unfortunately Americans don’t want the government to know where they’ve been.

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And now we have people saying that if you  are a "covid denier" you don't deserve the vaccine. UGH. I hate people. 

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4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

And now we have people saying that if you  are a "covid denier" you don't deserve the vaccine. UGH. I hate people. 

It's cool.  It's all part of the healing and uniting process.  Give it time. 

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2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

And now we have people saying that if you  are a "covid denier" you don't deserve the vaccine. UGH. I hate people. 

They must not realize the more people who get the vaccine, the better it is for herd immunity.

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4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

And now we have people saying that if you  are a "covid denier" you don't deserve the vaccine. UGH. I hate people. 

Good. They can have mine. 

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19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

And now we have people saying that if you  are a "covid denier" you don't deserve the vaccine. UGH. I hate people. 

Most of them won’t want it will they?

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Most of them won’t want it will they?

So you agree with the sentiment?  I just want to be sure I understand you here since you continually flip flop.

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Just now, Strike said:

So you agree with the sentiment?  I just want to be sure I understand you here since you continually flip flop.

No I don’t.  Just saying I imagine most won’t want it so seems like a moot point.  And if they do, then they probably need to hand in their covid denier card.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

No I don’t.  Just saying I imagine most won’t want it so seems like a moot point.  And if they do, then they probably need to hand in their covid denier card.

So you're just stirring the pot and being a doosh.  Got it. 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Also what have I flip flopped on?

Timmy made a funny 😂

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Just now, Strike said:

So you're just stirring the pot and being a doosh.  Got it. 

Huh?  No I’m simply responding to the post. If someone is a covid denier then pretty much by definition they shouldn’t want the vaccine.  If they do, then that probably makes them in fact not a covid denier 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  No I’m simply responding to the post. If someone is a covid denier then pretty much by definition they shouldn’t want the vaccine.  If they do, then that probably makes them in fact not a covid denier 

So the President shouldn't get the vaccine? 

Who decides who is "good enough" to get the vaccine? 

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Also what have I flip flopped on?

ill try, you supported Obama who was actually against illegal immigration, and now you support Biden who supports open borders and benefits to all illegals

 

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