Ahmaud Arbery

[The Observer 641]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

I can't win with you guys.

 I give up.

You will never unracist a racist.  So save your breath.  

[jerryskids 6,792]

3 hours ago, peenie said:

Where I currently work, we have training where we are taught if we are cornered with a person with a weapon we should fight for our lives. Based on past experience, a black person running to a white person's house for help leads to your death. So, imo, fighting for you life was a proper response.

Bull.  Any self-defense class, certainly for women, would train you to throw your purse one way and run the other.  If he wanted to kill you on the spot he'd have done it already.  He might want to abduct you, take you somewhere for a little rape time, then kill you.  Hence the running.  Nobody would teach you to run at a guy with a gun.  Sorry. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

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49 minutes ago, peenie said:

Not me personally! Renisha McBride

 

A teenager missed his school bus and walked but got lost and stopped to ask a home owner for directions: Brennan Walker

 

 

I'm sure you all would find an excuse for the above shooting as well.

Different video different situation. Start another thread on this one and see what people say.

[Utilit99 4,099]

29 minutes ago, The Observer said:

You will never unracist a racist.  So save your breath.  

You will never be intelligent. So save your posts. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

56 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Noone will know those answers.  Maybe that road was the only exit out of the neighborhood and homeboy was just trying to get away. But if his intent was to attack, why not just attack son on drivers side of truck?  The son saw homeboy comin, so assuming homeboy ran to passenger side to flank the son is stupid.  I content that the men had already tried to cut him off, and the son intentionally went to the front of the truck to intercept him.  If the son simply left him alone, I bet homeboy woulda simply run past.

That is just too big of a maybe. Either way, I'm getting off the road and targeting structures I get behind and then escape from there when the guys have to pursue on foot.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,423]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

You will never unracist a racist.  So save your breath.  

That’s not what Hillary says.  

[peenie 1,915]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Bull.  Any self-defense class, certainly for women, would train you to throw your purse one way and run the other.  If he wanted to kill you on the spot he'd have done it already.  He might want to abduct you, take you somewhere for a little rape time, then kill you.  Hence the running.  Nobody would teach you to run at a guy with a gun.  Sorry. 

AT WORK!!!!!! 

IF YOUR COLLEAGUE OR A TERRORIST IS TRYING TO KILL YOU IN YOUR OFFICE IT'S BETTER TO FIGHT AND HAVE A CHANCE AT LIVING ANOTHER DAY VS JUST GETTING SHOT.

 

[peenie 1,915]

You guys are such know it alls. You don't know everything!!

 

[iam90sbaby 2,610]

6 minutes ago, peenie said:

You guys are such know it alls. You don't know everything!!

 

Is that guy really wearing a scarf for a campus shooting scenario? Run in a zig zag?

[Voltaire 5,316]

14 hours ago, peenie said:

They were chasing him with their car with guns blaring!!! They were trying to cut him off with their car. What should he have done? What do you think was going through his mind with a car trying to cut him off with a man carrying a gun in the back? Do you not think he was afraid??? Even if you can think of what was the best reaction, imagine if you were on foot and two men with a pick-up truck were following you and trying to cut you off as you were running down the street. I think he was simply trying to fight for his life.

Where I currently work, we have training where we are taught if we are cornered with a person with a weapon we should fight for our lives. Based on past experience, a black person running to a white person's house for help leads to your death. So, imo, fighting for you life was a proper response.

Do we know they were trying to cut him off with the truck? The one video ends with Arbery running away and the next starts with the truck parked in the middle of the street up the road a bit from him. So whatever happened in between, we don't see, but maybe there was some testimony.  It's obvious that at some point the truck would have had to have passed him by to go set up that roadblock further up the street.

As for what he was thinking, obviously he thinks they think he's a a thief and had been up to no good or they wouldn't be going to such extremes to stop him. He's afraid to stop, likely hopes he can get away entirely. In passing the truck, he sees the guy is armed, he can keep running hoping he won't get shot in the back or try to pry the gun out of the man''s hands. That would not be a fun choice and he had an instant to make it. The gun being in the open like that escalates the situation. It was a horrible predicament to be in. Once he grabs the gun though, that's (likely) self defense and the man (likely) has the right to gun him down.

I can tell you what McMichael did that was stupid.... he took that rifle out when he went to apprehend Arbury. He escalated the situation which put Arbury in a horrible position. I do wonder if he'd committed any crime. Georgia is an open carry state, are there laws for approaching unarmed suspects with open guns? If not, maybe there should be. He'd shot an unarmed man that may have been guilty of nothing more than trespassing and deserved better. That's horrible. But once that gun is grabbed, hey, his life is in danger now too.

There may not be a crime to pin on McMichael.

[RLLD 4,230]

The confirmation bias is rather impressive.  Justifying that attackers actions as just and good is what I would point to as a BIG problem we have.  Pretending he is a victim and ignoring his own actions is pretty sinister stuff.  Its the kind of thinking that leads to.......people getting shot and killed....and yet we can see the astonishment that this could happen.  If we use this situation as some kind of "proof" of racism and ignore the actions of the guy who attacked and was shot, then it lather/rinse/repeat...because he was a dumb motherfocker at every apparent turn, explaining his actions away is more than idiotic, its amoral....

[peenie 1,915]

Ahmaud looked at a house under construction or being built or being gutted or renovated. Either way it was empty of anything that suggested someone was living there. He simply looked around and left with nothing from the home. It is clear from the video that he is not carrying wood planks or copper wiring. He was not stealing and only you imagination or your suspicion leads you to believe he was doing anything other then looking. It was clear to the men in the truck as well. 

Two trucks followed him down the road and likely scared him to death. I don't care what you think. I think they were wrong and that they terrorized him unnecessarily.

[peenie 1,915]

Try to actually read it and realize that just because you think if he stopped running and politely explained that he had stolen nothing that they would've let him go that in his mind he knew they meant him harm, why? Because it was evident he has stolen NOTHING:

What does the police report say?

The New York Times obtained a police report from the incident, dated February 23, which includes only the account of Gregory McMichael, 64 — a former county police officer and a former investigator with the local district attorney’s office. McMichael told police he was in his front yard when he saw Arbery “hauling ass” down the street, and called to Travis, 34, “The guy is running down the street, let’s go.” By “the guy,” he said was referring to a suspect in two recent neighborhood burglaries, neither of which he had directly witnessed. McMichael claimed that surveillance video of one of the incidents had been captured, and that Arbery matched the person in the footage.

The McMichaels got in their pickup truck, armed with a .357 magnum and a shotgun, and began chasing Arbery through the neighborhood. A neighbor, William “Roddy” Bryan, is named as joining them. (Georgia Bureau of Investigation director Vic Reynolds has confirmed that Bryan shot the video of Arbery’s death and that there could be charges brought against him as well.) Gregory McMichael told police that when they eventually caught up with Arbery, they shouted, “Stop, stop, we want to talk to you,” and that when Travis exited the car with his shotgun, Arbery attacked him. During a struggle over the gun, the report states, Travis fired two shots. Arbery died at the scene. Gregory McMichael told police he had turned Arbery’s body over “to see if the male had a weapon.” Arbery was unarmed. McMichael also told the police that there had been “several break-ins” in the area; but in more than seven weeks before the shooting, the only reported theft in Satilla Shores was of a 9mm pistol stolen from Travis McMichael’s unlocked truck.

[cyclone24 1,913]

9 minutes ago, peenie said:

Ahmaud looked at a house under construction or being built or being gutted or renovated. Either way it was empty of anything that suggested someone was living there. He simply looked around and left with nothing from the home. It is clear from the video that he is not carrying wood planks or copper wiring. He was not stealing and only you imagination or your suspicion leads you to believe he was doing anything other then looking. It was clear to the men in the truck as well. 

Two trucks followed him down the road and likely scared him to death. I don't care what you think. I think they were wrong and that they terrorized him unnecessarily.

 It's unfortunately the perfect storm for something bad to happen. Burglaries in the area keeping neighbors on high alert, black man snooping around an empty house obviously causing suspicion, gun laws that allow people to play fake cop when they feel like it. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, peenie said:

Ahmaud looked at a house under construction or being built or being gutted or renovated. Either way it was empty of anything that suggested someone was living there. He simply looked around and left with nothing from the home. It is clear from the video that he is not carrying wood planks or copper wiring. He was not stealing and only you imagination or your suspicion leads you to believe he was doing anything other then looking. It was clear to the men in the truck as well. 

Two trucks followed him down the road and likely scared him to death. I don't care what you think. I think they were wrong and that they terrorized him unnecessarily.

He trespassed. He had no reason to be there. You keep saying he didn't steal anything but no one, including you, knows what his purpose was for being there. Who knows? Maybe he had a vendetta against the owner and was going to start it on fire before someone yelled at him for being in there and that is why he sprinted away.

He simply had no reason for being on someone else's property and in their home. He had a bad past both in the neighborhood and with the police. And the only reason you are fighting so hard about this is because of race.

[The Observer 641]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

 It's unfortunately the perfect storm for something bad to happen. Burglaries in the area keeping neighbors on high alert, black man snooping around an empty house obviously causing suspicion, gun laws that allow people to play fake cop when they feel like it. 

There were no reported burglaries in the area in the time leading up to the murder. 

[BiffTannen 953]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

There were no reported burglaries in the area in the time leading up to the murder. 

Wrong

[Utilit99 4,099]

14 minutes ago, peenie said:

Ahmaud looked at a house under construction or being built or being gutted or renovated. Either way it was empty of anything that suggested someone was living there. He simply looked around and left with nothing from the home. It is clear from the video that he is not carrying wood planks or copper wiring. He was not stealing and only you imagination or your suspicion leads you to believe he was doing anything other then looking. It was clear to the men in the truck as well. 

Two trucks followed him down the road and likely scared him to death. I don't care what you think. I think they were wrong and that they terrorized him unnecessarily.

If I went into someone's home in areas of the south side or west sides of Chicago, I most likely wouldn't make it out alive and you know it. And the most coverage I would get is a statistic in a couple years. Get over this Peenie. 

[The Observer 641]

1 minute ago, BiffTannen said:

Wrong

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-no-burglaries-reported-for-weeks-before-ahmaud-arbery-killing-20200508-6pp35kjezbeszckj4hwvf2h4be-story.html

Wrong

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, BiffTannen said:

Wrong

He is always wrong. Literally always. 100% of the time.

[cyclone24 1,913]

3 minutes ago, The Observer said:

There were no reported burglaries in the area in the time leading up to the murder. 

Wrong.  At least one burglary report and several trespassing issues.

[BiffTannen 953]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-no-burglaries-reported-for-weeks-before-ahmaud-arbery-killing-20200508-6pp35kjezbeszckj4hwvf2h4be-story.html

Wrong

I trust my source and I am still glad Reggie is dead. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, BiffTannen said:

I trust my source and I am still glad Reggie is dead. 

But you should be listening to liberal leftist news to tell you how to think like a couple others on this site.

[BiffTannen 953]

2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

But you should be listening to liberal leftist news to tell you how to think like a couple others on this site.

Fock that. I am a realist and look at facts. There are certain segments of society that are a net negative. Reggie was a net negative and we should all be glad he is no longer terrorizing neighborhoods. 

[cyclone24 1,913]

4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

But you should be listening to liberal leftist news to tell you how to think like a couple others on this site.

 I like how he landed on New York Daily News. How do you even do that? What was his search function?

Search: Arbery shot scary white people he didnt do nuffin"?

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

 I like how he landed on New York Daily News. How do you even do that? What was his search function?

Search: Arbery shot scary white people he didnt do nuffin"?

I think he spends a lot of time searching for what he wants to hear and then when he finds something, anything, he throws it out there as some "expert" opinion. He's really lost.

[RLLD 4,230]

I guess we have to resign ourselves to folks pretending this was some kind of white supremist act, ignore how this idiot contributed to his own death, and wait for the next moron to get himself shot since accountability is apparently dependent on ones ethnicity.

Good luck with that, I know MY kids wont get shot down in the street, they arent focking stupid as hell.......

[peenie 1,915]

Someone jumped out of the truck with a gun. They had been chasing him with their trucks. Do you think that signaled safety to Ahmaud? He didn't run straight to the guy but to the opposite side of the truck. It's clear he was a runner or else he could've never been running that much. I would've died of exhaustion and I run!

It's clear to me that you all are completely unreasonable.

Trespassing is not a reason to run after someone with guns. It's completely frightening. It's like being shot for jaywalking...oh, wait a minute...

[cyclone24 1,913]

5 minutes ago, peenie said:

Someone jumped out of the truck with a gun. They had been chasing him with their trucks. Do you think that signaled safety to Ahmaud? He didn't run straight to the guy but to the opposite side of the truck. It's clear he was a runner or else he could've never been running that much. I would've died of exhaustion and I run!

It's clear to me that you all are completely unreasonable.

 Give me a break. You think this guy was out training for 5 k's and was so fascinated by carpentry he decided to stop and check this house out? 

 Don't complain about people being unreasonable when you are going to try to pump out this narrative

[The Observer 641]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I guess we have to resign ourselves to folks pretending this was some kind of white supremist act, ignore how this idiot contributed to his own death, and wait for the next moron to get himself shot since accountability is apparently dependent on ones ethnicity.

Good luck with that, I know MY kids wont get shot down in the street, they arent focking stupid as hell.......

I got news for you, if two thugs decide to hunt down one of your kids and are carrying a shotgun, you have no idea how the kids will react. And if there's hatred in the two attackers' hearts, it may not even matter how they react.

[Utilit99 4,099]

30 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I guess we have to resign ourselves to folks pretending this was some kind of white supremist act, ignore how this idiot contributed to his own death, and wait for the next moron to get himself shot since accountability is apparently dependent on ones ethnicity.

Good luck with that, I know MY kids wont get shot down in the street, they arent focking stupid as hell.......

When I was just a grade school kid. Even first grade. My parents let me go out and play outside all I wanted but told me that if I get hit by a car in the street when I was riding a bike or just playing ball in the street, that it was my fault if I were to get hit by a car. I took that very seriously. That small lesson taught me that my actions have consequences to me if I don't think things through and look out for myself in the real world. Too bad Arbery never learned that.

 

[Crestwood 2 128]

17 minutes ago, peenie said:

Someone jumped out of the truck with a gun. They had been chasing him with their trucks. Do you think that signaled safety to Ahmaud? He didn't run straight to the guy but to the opposite side of the truck. It's clear he was a runner or else he could've never been running that much. I would've died of exhaustion and I run!

It's clear to me that you all are completely unreasonable.

Trespassing is not a reason to run after someone with guns. It's completely frightening. It's like being shot for jaywalking...oh, wait a minute...

Stay the Fock out of other people’s homes.  What is so hard to understand about that?

Just because you are curious or want to admire something in someone else’s home, you think that’s ok? What planet did you come from?

[The Observer 641]

5 minutes ago, Crestwood 2 said:

Stay the Fock out of other people’s homes.  What is so hard to understand about that?

Just because you are curious or want to admire something in someone else’s home, you think that’s ok? What planet did you come from?

I agree that it's stupid to go onto a construction site or into a house under construction. You start to lose me by thinking it should be a death sentence. 

[peenie 1,915]

3 minutes ago, Crestwood 2 said:

 

Stay the Fock out of other people’s homes.  What is so hard to understand about that?

Just because you are curious or want to admire something in someone else’s home, you think that’s ok? What planet did you come from?

It didn't appear to be inhabited. What is so hard to understand about that?

The same planet where your ancestors came from who left their homeland to unknown continents around the globe out of curiosity.

[cyclone24 1,913]

5 minutes ago, Crestwood 2 said:

Stay the Fock out of other people’s homes.  What is so hard to understand about that?

Just because you are curious or want to admire something in someone else’s home, you think that’s ok? What planet did you come from?

 It would never dawn on me to go into a house under construction that wasn't mine to just look around. And watch that video. Does that really look like hes checking the specs on home construction? Or that hes examining the framing?

Fock no...he looks like hes looking for something to lift. 

 

[peenie 1,915]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

 Fock no...he looks like hes looking for something to lift. 

Like what?

[Crestwood 2 128]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I agree that it's stupid to go onto a construction site or into a house under construction. You start to lose me by thinking it should be a death sentence. 

But why put yourself in that situation? 

[cyclone24 1,913]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

Like what?

Tools? Anything of value, generator?

 I'm not going to go full bore on that claim but it certainly doesn't look to me or doesn't appear anything in his history that hes just some big fan of home construction.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

Like what?

Tools are often stolen and fenced.  Copper is also a big thing stolen at construction sites. 

While the house wasn't finished, there was a camera there.  Right?  That tells me that it wasn't some dilapidated building with nothing of value in it.

[Crestwood 2 128]

3 minutes ago, peenie said:

It didn't appear to be inhabited. What is so hard to understand about that?

The same planet where your ancestors came from who left their homeland to unknown continents around the globe out of curiosity.

Doesn’t matter if it was uninhabited.  IT’S NOT HIS PROPERTY.