Ahmaud Arbery

[The Observer 641]

43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Can we please stop with this "he didn't steal anything" nonsense.  There was no way to know that.  He ran into the house suspiciously, and any reasonable person would suspect he was up to no good.  Unless if you were sitting on your porch, saw a guy walking down the street, stop, look around, then run into your neighbor's house, and your first thought is "poor guy, he must be thirsty and looking for a hose bib." 

He had been there multiple times. Never anything missing.  Yes, there is a way to know that. The owner said it

[peenie 1,915]

4 minutes ago, The Observer said:

He had been there multiple times.

I don't think the other person in the video was Ahmaud because the person in the video was light skinned while Ahmaud is clearly quite dark skinned. 

[The Observer 641]

Just now, peenie said:

I don't think the other person in the video was Ahmaud because the person in the video was light skinned while Ahmaud is clearly quite dark skinned. 

I thought I heard a report that the homeowner told people to call the older hillbilly if they saw the guy enter the property again.  Was it different guys entering the property?

[jerryskids 6,805]

10 minutes ago, The Observer said:

He had been there multiple times. Never anything missing.  Yes, there is a way to know that. The owner said it

Well, McMichael didn't get this community-wide memo to let this particular guy into the house for a drink of water, since he called 911 and all.

Logic... it can be your friend. 

[peenie 1,915]

6 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I thought I heard a report that the homeowner told people to call the older hillbilly if they saw the guy enter the property again.  Was it different guys entering the property?

 

Note: DOZENS of people have entered the property.

[peenie 1,915]

Actually, that is not the video I was looking for as I can't find it. It showed a man without a shirt on walking through the home at night, but he was very light in complexion.

I just think they ruthlessly killed him for a minor infraction and I believe racism fueled their motivations. That is my opinion and I don't care who doesn't like it.

 

[RLLD 4,237]

9 minutes ago, peenie said:

Actually, that is not the video I was looking for as I can't find it. It showed a man without a shirt on walking through the home at night, but he was very light in complexion.

I just think they ruthlessly killed him for a minor infraction and I believe racism fueled their motivations. That is my opinion and I don't care who doesn't like it.

 

I think we can agree that the man should not be dead for simply scouting to steal, no doubt about that.  I am not really at all comfortable with billy-bob and peanut deciding who gets arrested or whatever....

Where I think you seem to diverge is the attempt to somehow dramatize this event with terms such as guns blazing, hunting, ruthlessly....that crap is not needed here, and it dilutes your position. Your desperation to fit this into a narrative is not warranted.

If I were to be armed, and some clown decides (rightly or wrongly) to assault me....he might get shot.....just a handful of exceptionally stupid participants, no shock that someone wound up dead.

[cyclone24 1,913]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think we can agree that the man should not be dead for simply scouting to steal, no doubt about that.  I am not really at all comfortable with billy-bob and peanut deciding who gets arrested or whatever....

Where I think you seem to diverge is the attempt to somehow dramatize this event with terms such as guns blazing, hunting, ruthlessly....that crap is not needed here, and it dilutes your position. Your desperation to fit this into a narrative is not warranted.

If I were to be armed, and some clown decides (rightly or wrongly) to assault me....he might get shot.....just a handful of exceptionally stupid participants, no shock that someone wound up dead.

And racism.  Just because a white guy shoots a black guy doesn't automatically make it a racist event. 

 But it makes white liberals feel really good about themselves that they are helping if they can play that card at any opportunity they can.

[The Observer 641]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

And racism.  Just because a white guy shoots a black guy doesn't automatically make it a racist event. 

 But it makes white liberals feel really good about themselves that they are helping if they can play that card at any opportunity they can.

Maybe not.  But when 10 weeks pass and the killer's buddy- D.A. doesn't do a thing even though he had the tape, and then they suddenly make arrests hours after the public sees it, it smells, tastes, and feels like some good ole' boy  racist cover up.

[RLLD 4,237]

9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

And racism.  Just because a white guy shoots a black guy doesn't automatically make it a racist event. 

 But it makes white liberals feel really good about themselves that they are helping if they can play that card at any opportunity they can.

Correct.

And of course every move and decision is scrutinized because here is an opportunity to prove something.  Every subsequent action is then scrutinized with the express intent to prove that this dark specter of racism is so very pervasive.... its utter bullsh!t, but hey if you can find one scenario to fit into it, lets use it to p!ss people off, divide them, pitch them against each other as some "proof" of a large and widespread issue, when its just idiots being idiots....sad

[Herbivore 1,134]

24 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think we can agree that the man should not be dead for simply scouting to steal, no doubt about that.  I am not really at all comfortable with billy-bob and peanut deciding who gets arrested or whatever....

Where I think you seem to diverge is the attempt to somehow dramatize this event with terms such as guns blazing, hunting, ruthlessly....that crap is not needed here, and it dilutes your position. Your desperation to fit this into a narrative is not warranted.

If I were to be armed, and some clown decides (rightly or wrongly) to assault me....he might get shot.....just a handful of exceptionally stupid participants, no shock that someone wound up dead.

rlld expressing his "feelings".  

[RLLD 4,237]

6 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

rlld expressing his "feelings".  

And?

[Bier Meister 1,710]

I do not know if i would claim that this is overt racism/supremacists, but I believe that race played a roll.  Prejudices and experience factored into all of their behavior

How would they respond and react if he were not white (or everyone the same race)?

Would father and son grab guns (and ultimately display them to impose their will) if he were not white (or everyone the same race)? 

Would Arbery make a move if they were not white (or all of them the same race)?

 

I think it aided in this situation's escalation. 

[RLLD 4,237]

Just now, Bier Meister said:

I do not know if i would claim that this is overt racism/supremacists, but I believe that race played a roll.  Prejudices and experience factored into all of their behavior

How would they respond and react if he were not white (or everyone the same race)?

Would father and son grab guns (and ultimately display them to impose their will) if he were not white (or everyone the same race)? 

Would Arbery make a move if they were not white (or all of them the same race)?

 

I think it aided in this situation's escalation. 

Who can say, which is why we need to remove politically motivated descriptions, boil it down to behaviors regardless of race, gender, age, religion.....etc   If we can stop pretending, progress is possible.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, The Observer said:

The Trumpers here are marginalizing murder. And it's the trespassing that bothers you.  You might be a racists if.......

Going into other people's homes warrants being followed or chased after. Physically attacking someone who is carrying a gun can get you shot. Both of those things happened. Dude was guilty of trespassing in someone's home, AND guilty of assaulting someone. He just assaulted the wrong guy.

[RLLD 4,237]

3 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Going into other people's homes warrants being followed or chased after. Physically attacking someone who is carrying a gun can get you shot. Both of those things happened. Dude was guilty of trespassing in someone's home, AND guilty of assaulting someone. He just assaulted the wrong guy.

We rationalize criminality based on race, from what I can tell from the liberals on the forum......your color dictates whether your act is criminal or not, pretty sick stuff

[Utilit99 4,099]

28 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We rationalize criminality based on race, from what I can tell from the liberals on the forum......your color dictates whether your act is criminal or not, pretty sick stuff

And if it's "news worthy". For years the message from those that actually cared was "Why do we have to see skin color? Why not just base your opinion on a person's actions? An American is an American. Take race out of it completely when someone applies for a job, etc..."

Then that narrative slowly started to change until about 12-15 years ago when things really started going off the charts in favor of pushing in everyone's faces to embrace all colors of people, all ways of life, all cultures, all languages, all self identified sexual orientations, etc.by giving them a different set of rules. Not just respect all people's rights to have their own views, but to actually put those individualisms before everything you stand for as a white conservative as it relates to the country as a whole. It started to break this country down into special interest groups and the media and the government started preaching and celebrating everything except for actually being an American. Then they thought they would appease the white conservatives who love this nation for what it was built into prior to all this, so they latched onto praising the military personnel as heroes every chance they get. It's contrived at best. The "progressive liberals" in this country are all over the place and it's near impossible to keep up. They are the one's not treating people equally in the big picture. It's a terrible road they went down.

 

 

 

[Herbivore 1,134]

this conversation in the last few posts is like head in sand talking to head in ass.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

59 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

this conversation in the last few posts is like head in sand talking to head in ass.  

Another one who hates the truth. You'll have to wait in line as Newbie is much louder and angrier than you are.

 

[Voltaire 5,317]

15 hours ago, The Observer said:

Maybe not.  But when 10 weeks pass and the killer's buddy- D.A. doesn't do a thing even though he had the tape, and then they suddenly make arrests hours after the public sees it, it smells, tastes, and feels like some good ole' boy  racist cover up.

True. This story is utter catnip for the MSM. They love this stuff.

[Fireballer 2,642]

He was probably just stopping in the park for a drink of water..

 

[BiffTannen 966]

4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

He was probably just stopping in the park for a drink of water..

 

Jacket with no shirt underneath. Pants hanging off his asss. 

We are better off now. 

[Herbivore 1,134]

20 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

He was probably just stopping in the park for a drink of water..

 

Looks like someone with questionable fashion choices getting harassed

[peenie 1,915]

24 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

He was probably just stopping in the park for a drink of water..

 

Was he arrested?

Was he doing something illegal?

It seems to me he just got out of bed, put on some track pants and a jacket to sit somewhere in his car and listen to music. He wasn't smoking weed or drinking liquor. He was just being questioned. What's the point of this video?

[peenie 1,915]

I lived in a crime ridden area and there were NEVER police around to arrest criminals. I would call the police when a crime was being committed and they wouldn't come. They fire department wouldn't come until the entire building was basically consumed in flames. Drug dealers were allowed to sell openly all day. Prostitutes were allowed to work all night. I think there is a myth of how the world works.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

9 minutes ago, peenie said:

Was he arrested?

Was he doing something illegal?

It seems to me he just got out of bed, put on some track pants and a jacket to sit somewhere in his car and listen to music. He wasn't smoking weed or drinking liquor. He was just being questioned. What's the point of this video?

There are a few things that I took away from this:

- Arbery was belligerent and was aggressive towards the cop. Might play into what happened that day, too.  Maybe not.

- Second cop was ready to use the taser right away even though it was probably not warranted. Might go towards tensions between cops and blacks in the area. Maybe not.

- He had a suspended license and a failure to appear. Cops smelled pot. To say that he was not doing anything illegal is not quite true.

- Arbery's story didn't quite add up for someone in an area where drugs are found. He said that he worked right up the street, but he wasn't dressed for work (clearly). Then he says that he was rapping. Wait.  What?

[The Observer 641]

Black kid who smoked weed.  This video actually helps Arbery.  Shows the profiling that is running rampant in the area. 

[peenie 1,915]

28 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

There are a few things that I took away from this:

- Arbery was belligerent and was aggressive towards the cop. Might play into what happened that day, too.  Maybe not.

- Second cop was ready to use the taser right away even though it was probably not warranted. Might go towards tensions between cops and blacks in the area. Maybe not.

- He had a suspended license and a failure to appear. Cops smelled pot. To say that he was not doing anything illegal is not quite true.

- Arbery's story didn't quite add up for someone in an area where drugs are found. He said that he worked right up the street, but he wasn't dressed for work (clearly). It was his day off. Then he says that he was rapping. Wait.  What? Some people sing, some people rap for fun.

My fault for skimming through the video (I'm at work). I appreciate the clarification. I think all of your above statements are true. The police released this? Good ole America.

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

15 minutes ago, The Observer said:

  Shows the profiling

If you mean that cops probably do a reasonable suspicion Terry stop on anyone sitting idle in a known drug area, then yes, its profiling. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

19 minutes ago, peenie said:

The police released this? Good ole America.

 

It was "obtained" by The Guardian.  Depending on state and local regs, you can FOIA body cam video and they may give it to you.  

[peenie 1,915]

5 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

It was "obtained" by The Guardian.  Depending on state and local regs, you can FOIA body cam video and they may give it to you.  

Oh, okay, thanks. I thought the police just released it to show he wasn't just some jogger. I must admit, this video has switched my opinion of him for the worse.

[RLLD 4,237]

I don't really care what he did in 2017, or if he was a belligerent arshole as a person. None of those things are relevant IMHO.

What matters were his actions on the day in question, and if he was robbing or looting or whatever, I dont much care about that, those actions donot/should not justify his death.

The ONLY action that really matters were those on the part of each party on that day, and then the final actions of each leading up to the shooting. It might be true that Arbery's actions were suitable for arrest and it might be that the two rednecks should also have been arrested.....

All participants were dumnasses in this overall scenario.  But once this Arbery guy decided to assault them the entire thing went from dumbassery to criminal, to include the act of shooting him when beating his arse was still an acceptable alternative.  Now I get why they shot him, but that does not make their actions legal....

[Fireballer 2,642]

17 minutes ago, peenie said:

Oh, okay, thanks. I thought the police just released it to show he wasn't a just some jogger. I must admit, this video has switched my opinion of him for the worse.

Although its just a snapshot, the video makes him seem belligerent and aggressive towards law enforcement. Without any more info, it may not be a representation of him in Feb 2020.

This was a textbook stop by first arriving officer. Its nothing that doesnt happen thousands of times every day in the US.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

“I work” ! I don’t know how many times I had that yelled at me as if it were a get out of jail free card.  Hey, your baby mama said you slapped her. “I work”. Ghetto backwards mentality.  You’re supposed to work.  

[Fireballer 2,642]

This seems classy...

Shooter's sister posted pics of Arbery's  body on snapchat.

https://news.yahoo.com/sister-ahmaud-arberys-accused-killer-095844761.html

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

This seems classy...

Shooter's sister posted pics of Arbery's  body on snapchat.

https://news.yahoo.com/sister-ahmaud-arberys-accused-killer-095844761.html

Trash all around. Segregation might be a good thing. Not for normal people,  but for the trash on both sides. They really should be kept from each other.  Like in prison.  

[The Observer 641]

If I saw all three of their pictures, Arbery, and the redneck father and son,  I'd be much more inclined to think that the white guys were the trouble.  They both look like scumbags

[BiffTannen 966]

5 minutes ago, The Observer said:

If I saw all three of their pictures, Arbery, and the redneck father and son,  I'd be much more inclined to think that the white guys were the trouble.  They both look like scumbags

Statistically speaking, there is a better chance Reggie is the criminal. 

[The Observer 641]

Just now, BiffTannen said:

Statistically speaking, there is a better chance Reggie is the criminal. 

That doesn't change my statement. In the pictures, I'd guess Arbery is young black man who likes to smoke some weed and might get into occasional misdemeanor-type trouble.  As for Ned Beatty and JR, I'd say they are both huge Dukes of Hazzard fans, fly a confederate flag, own red hats. Both like David Duke and think Colin Kaepernick is one of the most disgusting people on the planet.   I'd hang with Arbery before ever spending a minute with those two.

[BiffTannen 966]

2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

That doesn't change my statement. In the pictures, I'd guess Arbery is young black man who likes to smoke some weed and might get into occasional misdemeanor-type trouble.  As for Ned Beatty and JR, I'd say they are both huge Dukes of Hazzard fans, fly a confederate flag, own red hats. Both like David Duke and think Colin Kaepernick is one of the most disgusting people on the planet.   I'd hang with Arbery before ever spending a minute with those two.

Unless you are color blind, statistically ignorant, or a bad gambler - you are not betting on the white guys to be the criminals. If you hang out with thugs and wear your pants halfway off your asss, that is a different thread.