Ahmaud Arbery

[The Observer 641]

1 hour ago, Bier Meister said:

 

that too.  there are better ways for citizens to deal with criminal and suspicious activity also. 

 

If he was in their actual house, I would have a different opinion.

If he was in their actual house with a weapon, I would have a different opinion.

 

For this situation, the most I would want those two doing might be to follow and let police know his whereabouts.  I do not believe that blocking his route with guns in hand is warranted.  

This. He wasn't a threat to anyone. They had an agenda. A hate agenda. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

28 minutes ago, The Observer said:

This. He wasn't a threat to anyone. They had an agenda. A hate agenda. 

Yet he was the violent one. Too bad, so sad. He trespassed, he got called out for it and he violently attacked, and he lost the fight. 

He was not a smart dude, now was he? He might have gotten away with bringing an illegal firearm into a school, but he lost this time instead of staying out of other people's shlt.

Ghetto punks are as ghetto punks do.

[Alias Detective 1,400]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

This guy gets it. 

Thug’s dead 

/Thread

[MDC 7,413]

4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Thug’s dead 

/Thread

Obviously. Duh.

[Voltaire 5,316]

13 hours ago, Bier Meister said:

I could agree with this.  Introducing a roadblock and yielding guns is an assertion of power that these two did not, nor should not,  possess. It is an aggressive act.

Maybe this is where the crime was... setting up an illegal roadblock and wielding guns. I'd like to see the prosecutors quote the laws and make that argument.

I do think they had a right to detain him though. They saw him break the law and had phoned the police. Bringing guns along to do so was a horrible idea. Georgia is an open carry state, that may mean (read: "I don't know") they did have the right to bring those guns, although the wording of the law would be interesting.

Do they have the right to go after him? right to set up the roadblock? right to have guns drawn at the roadblock? right to shoot him? If I'm the defense attorney, I can make a good case for all four being legal; if I'm the prosecutor, I'm going through my law book reading the exact wording of these laws. Any of those four may yield fruit.

For me, I think they're good through the first two. Taking the guns out to apprehend him is where I fault them. They thought he'd stop running when he saw they were armed. But can Arbury trust their intentions? Would you? Arbury has a split second to decide :surrender, keep running, or make a rush at the guy with the gun. I can't say I like the shooting part either but how can I criticize them for that when Arbury initiated a struggle over the gun? 

Adrenaline is high on both sides and decisions are made in split seconds. "It's a dangerous situation, I should take my rifle." "Sh*t, that guy's armed, what do I do now?" Give me a half second to decide and watch me screw up those decisions too.

[cyclone24 1,913]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Maybe this is where the crime was... setting up an illegal roadblock and wielding guns. I'd like to see the prosecutors quote the laws and make that argument.

I do think they had a right to detain him though. They saw him break the law and had phoned the police. Bringing guns along to do so was a horrible idea. Georgia is an open carry state, that may mean (read: "I don't know") they did have the right to bring those guns, although the wording of the law would be interesting.

Do they have the right to go after him? right to set up the roadblock? right to have guns drawn at the roadblock? right to shoot him? If I'm the defense attorney, I can make a good case for all four being legal; if I'm the prosecutor, I'm going through my law book reading the exact wording of these laws. Any of those four may yield fruit.

For me, I think they're good through the first two. Taking the guns out to apprehend him is where I fault them. They thought he'd stop running when he saw they were armed. But can Arbury trust their intentions? Would you? Arbury has a split second to decide :surrender, keep running, or make a rush at the guy with the gun. I can't say I like the shooting part either but how can I criticize them for that when Arbury initiated a struggle over the gun? 

Adrenaline is high on both sides and decisions are made in split seconds. "It's a dangerous situation, I should take my rifle." "Sh*t, that guy's armed, what do I do now?" Give me a half second to decide and watch me screw up those decisions too.

 Well put. I think it was just the perfect storm of bad decisions by everyone that led to an unfortunate result.

 

[BiffTannen 953]

It appears police asked McMichael for help in apprehending Reggie the thug. Thanks to their efforts this piece of shitt is off the streets and earth for good. 

[The Observer 641]

1 hour ago, BiffTannen said:

It appears police asked McMichael for help in apprehending Reggie the thug. Thanks to their efforts this piece of shitt is off the streets and earth for good. 

One less kid looking for water to drink.  I bet the community is taking a sigh of relief. 

Actually, there are two racist hillbillies off the street.  And that's a blessing. 

[Alias Detective 1,400]

12 minutes ago, The Observer said:

One less kid looking for water to drink.

 Bwahahahhahahahaahah

 

[BiffTannen 953]

36 minutes ago, The Observer said:

One less kid looking for water to drink.  I bet the community is taking a sigh of relief. 

Actually, there are two racist hillbillies off the street.  And that's a blessing. 

The crackhead was looking for copper to steal. The neighborhood will welcome the McMichaels back knowing Reggie is no longer spooking them.

[Utilit99 4,099]

One less black kid looking for a place to hide an illegal firearm so he could pick it up quickly the next time he goes into a school to get away from the cops.

 

[The Observer 641]

33 minutes ago, BiffTannen said:

The crackhead was looking for copper to steal. The neighborhood will welcome the McMichaels back knowing Reggie is no longer spooking them.

Yet no copper was ever reported stolen 

[The Observer 641]

27 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

One less black kid looking for a place to hide an illegal firearm so he could pick it up quickly the next time he goes into a school to get away from the cops.

 

Two less racists using a legal firearm to eliminate black people. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 minute ago, The Observer said:

Yet no copper was ever reported stolen 

Brilliant retort to a post that says "looking" for copper.

[Bier Meister 1,710]

2 hours ago, BiffTannen said:

It appears police asked McMichael for help in apprehending Reggie the thug. Thanks to their efforts this piece of shitt is off the streets and earth for good. 

from your article:

Quote

 

WSB-TV Channel 2 Action News separately investigated the texts, speaking to English’s lawyer, J. Elizabeth Graddy. She claimed that English did get the text message on December 20, but he did not see it until recently, suggesting that English did not ask McMichael to police the property for him.

“When I saw (the texts), I immediately understood that an organization had been developing in that neighborhood since at least December,” Graddy told Channel 2. “It appears that Gregory McMichael had been informally 'deputized' by the Glynn County Police Department.”

LaGrance Police Chief Lou Dekmar, a past president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, voiced a concern that officers seemingly offloaded what was a legitimate police call onto an effectively private citizen.

“I’m not aware of any accepted policy for referring someone that requires a police response to delegate that response to a former law enforcement officer who happens to live in the neighborhood,” said Dekmar.

Dekmar further noted that it gives the perception that McMichael had a relationship with the local law enforcement community tasked with investigating the shooting.

 

 

[Alias Detective 1,400]

1 minute ago, Bier Meister said:

from your article:

 

Smells funny to me.  

[Bier Meister 1,710]

also from biff's link:

 

Georgia PD with disturbing history

[Fireballer 2,642]

14 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

also from biff's link:

 

Georgia PD with disturbing history

Whoops...fukin clowns is sounds like.

[jerryskids 6,793]

18 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

from your article:

 

If that's true I don't see how the McMichaels go to jail, and it explains why charges were never brought.  Some other folks in the PD might be a little in trouble though. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

26 minutes ago, The Observer said:

Two less racists using a legal firearm to eliminate black people. 

Thankfully they should be back in their homes in no time and helping to keep criminals off the streets. 

[Bier Meister 1,710]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If that's true I don't see how the McMichaels go to jail, and it explains why charges were never brought.  Some other folks in the PD might be a little in trouble though. 

still a lot to be flushed out, but it seems as if there is a decent amount of improper protocol.

[The Observer 641]

48 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Brilliant retort to a post that says "looking" for copper.

So now you can kill a guy if you guess what you think he's looking for?  My god

[Fireballer 2,642]

43 minutes ago, The Observer said:

So now you can kill a guy if you guess what you think he's looking for?  My god

I know youre a big strong guy, but do your arms ever get tired of holding that bigly broad brush that you paint with in all your posts?  You really have this lefty "construct the narrative" thing down to a science, but you need trolling lessons from MDC.

[Utilit99 4,099]

47 minutes ago, The Observer said:

So now you can kill a guy if you guess what you think he's looking for?  My god

You don't follow well. He got killed when he started assaulting someone in case you forgot that minor detail. 

Was your mother on crack while your collection of cells was part of her?

[Herbivore 1,134]

2 hours ago, BiffTannen said:

The crackhead was looking for copper to steal. The neighborhood will welcome the McMichaels back knowing Reggie is no longer spooking them.

 

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Brilliant retort to a post that says "looking" for copper.

[Herbivore 1,134]

Its odd that the text from Rash is on Dec. 20th, and then McMicheal has a gun stolen from his car on Jan 1st.  In his neighborhood, where apparently he felt there was a rash of breakins, when he had been in touch with law enforcement on some level, he left a gun is his car.  ?  

I don't see the text as deputizing mcmicheal.  

[peenie 1,915]

Ahmaud tried to ninja Cletus with a half-cocked Judy.

[Utilit99 4,099]

13 minutes ago, peenie said:

Ahmaud tried to ninja Cletus with a half-cocked Judy.

Bad decision on his part I guess. 

[peenie 1,915]

I guess Ahmaud was going to rip out the copper with his bare hands and cut the wires with his teeth and then put them in his pockets.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, peenie said:

I guess Ahmaud was going to rip out the copper with his bare hands and cut the wires with his teeth and then put them in his pockets.

I guess he wasn't going to do damage, or hide while he smokes a bowl or do some crack, or hide somthing he just stole from another location he shouldn't have been in. Or fingerbang newbie or plan something else?

[Utilit99 4,099]

8 minutes ago, peenie said:

I guess Ahmaud was going to rip out the copper with his bare hands and cut the wires with his teeth and then put them in his pockets.

You can't assume someone is innocent when they are trespassing.

[peenie 1,915]

People were trespassing on that property all the time. I saw a white couple and a pair of white children. No one chased them down with deadly weapons.

The bottom line is everyone is making up wild claims about what they imagine he was going to do but not looking at what he did do which is steal nothing. 

If there was no sign that it was trespassing then perhaps he was not even trespassing!!!! 

Remember, according to Georgia law you have to make it clear that it's trespassing. I would have no idea that I was doing something wrong by looking at an open new construction. 

Hopefully, justice will be served. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

8 minutes ago, peenie said:

People were trespassing on that property all the time.

So what you are saying is, by trespassing on someone else's property, because more than one person did it, that makes it safe and legal?

What if I trespassed on your property and snuck into your personal building projects and into your home etc. If others did that too without you knowing, that would be fine with you if you caught me doing it?

[cyclone24 1,913]

12 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

So what you are saying is, by trespassing on someone else's property, because more than one person did it, that makes it safe and legal?

What if I trespassed on your property and snuck into your personal building projects and into your home etc. If others did that too without you knowing, that would be fine with you if you caught me doing it?

 Exactly. When did trespassing become OK?

  If I was out and about and stumbled on some new home construction it would never dawn on me that it would be fine if I just walked on to the property inside of the construction and just go snooping around.

[BiffTannen 953]

4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

 Exactly. When did trespassing become OK?

  If I was out and about and stumbled on some new home construction it would never dawn on me that it would be fine if I just walked on to the property inside of the construction and just go snooping around.

It wasn't new home construction. It was a home that had been gutted for renovation. The outside of the home was complete. 

[The Observer 641]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

 Exactly. When did trespassing become OK?

  If I was out and about and stumbled on some new home construction it would never dawn on me that it would be fine if I just walked on to the property inside of the construction and just go snooping around.

I don't think a single person here said that trespassing was fine. If so, please show me.  Never a single thing reported missing.  There's a water source behind the house. Since he never took anything, it's just as possible that he was getting water there.  But even if he had stolen something. It's not a death sentence.. And two rednecks aren't the judge and jury even if it was.

[cyclone24 1,913]

4 minutes ago, BiffTannen said:

It wasn't new home construction. It was a home that had been gutted for renovation. The outside of the home was complete. 

Misworded but that's splitting the atom.  To me that makes it even worse that it was an existing home.

[cyclone24 1,913]

3 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I don't think a single person here said that trespassing was fine. If so, please show me.  Never a single thing reported missing.  There's a water source behind the house. Since he never took anything, it's just as possible that he was getting water there.  But even if he had stolen something. It's not a death sentence.. And two rednecks aren't the judge and jury even if it was.

  You certainly have people marginalizing trespassing yes. 

 True but we have video of him actually inside a property that is not his snooping around. I think it's a stretch to say that he was just some home construction aficionado that was a really interested in renovations and home décor

[jerryskids 6,793]

12 hours ago, peenie said:

People were trespassing on that property all the time. I saw a white couple and a pair of white children. No one chased them down with deadly weapons.

The bottom line is everyone is making up wild claims about what they imagine he was going to do but not looking at what he did do which is steal nothing. 

If there was no sign that it was trespassing then perhaps he was not even trespassing!!!! 

Remember, according to Georgia law you have to make it clear that it's trespassing. I would have no idea that I was doing something wrong by looking at an open new construction. 

Hopefully, justice will be served. 

 

16 minutes ago, The Observer said:

I don't think a single person here said that trespassing was fine. If so, please show me.  Never a single thing reported missing.  There's a water source behind the house. Since he never took anything, it's just as possible that he was getting water there.  But even if he had stolen something. It's not a death sentence.. And two rednecks aren't the judge and jury even if it was.

Can we please stop with this "he didn't steal anything" nonsense.  There was no way to know that.  He ran into the house suspiciously, and any reasonable person would suspect he was up to no good.  Unless if you were sitting on your porch, saw a guy walking down the street, stop, look around, then run into your neighbor's house, and your first thought is "poor guy, he must be thirsty and looking for a hose bib." 

[The Observer 641]

57 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

  You certainly have people marginalizing trespassing yes. 

 True but we have video of him actually inside a property that is not his snooping around. I think it's a stretch to say that he was just some home construction aficionado that was a really interested in renovations and home décor

The Trumpers here are marginalizing murder. And it's the trespassing that bothers you.  You might be a racists if.......