Ahmaud Arbery

[Utilit99 4,099]

7 minutes ago, peenie said:

It didn't appear to be inhabited. What is so hard to understand about that?

The same planet where your ancestors came from who left their homeland to unknown continents around the globe out of curiosity.

What is so hard to understand that it is someone else's property and why do you not get it? If I go into my garage, and someone sprints out of there, I'll tackle the dude if I can catch him. If in my backyard, someone is hanging out, I'll go confront him. If you are not concerned about your space and who uses it, then fine. But I don't want unknown people rummaging around in my shlt that is worth something to me. You just keep assuming that this guy is a great guy up to nothing but good deeds in his life.

[Crestwood 2 128]

3 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

What is so hard to understand that it is someone else's property and why do you not get it? If I go into my garage, and someone sprints out of there, I'll tackle the dude if I can catch him. If in my backyard, someone is hanging out, I'll go confront him. If you are not concerned about your space and who uses it, then fine. But I don't want unknown people rummaging around in my shlt that is worth something to me. You just keep assuming that this guy is a great guy up to nothing but good deeds in his life.

But what if the guy was just a fan of garages? Like the #1 fan of garages and sheds on the planet?  You’d be cool with him snooping around right?

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, Crestwood 2 said:

But what if the guy was just a fan of garages? Like the #1 fan of garages and sheds on the planet?  You’d be cool with him snooping around right?

Well, that's a different story because maybe he would become a famous critic of homes later in life and talk about wandering through mine when it was being built and occasionally taking a piss on my new walls and floors.

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4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Well, that's a different story because maybe he would become a famous critic of homes later in life and talk about wandering through mine when it was being built and occasionally taking a piss on my new walls and floors.

We was just admirin’ that stuff officer

[peenie 1,915]

Well, when I was shopping for homes in the early 2000's we often looked in homes under construction. As a matter of fact there are signs that would sit in front of homes to let people know which homes were inhabited and which homes were vacant.

I think it's unsafe to enter certain homes under construction. In Georgia I think it's a misdemeanor to trespass and is punishable by a fine or more serious if someone damaged the property.

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The Court requires that the owner of the property give reasonable and explicit notice of what property the trespassers are not allowed to enter. If the notice was ambiguous or unclear, then that could be a defense.

 

[Crestwood 2 128]

7 minutes ago, peenie said:

Well, when I was shopping for homes in the early 2000's we often looked in homes under construction. As a matter of fact there are signs that would sit in front of homes to let people know which homes were inhabited and which homes were vacant.

I think it's unsafe to enter certain homes under construction. In Georgia I think it's a misdemeanor to trespass and is punishable by a fine or more serious if someone damaged the property.

 

Sometimes it’s just better to err on the side of caution then. 
 

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1 hour ago, The Observer said:

I agree that it's stupid to go onto a construction site or into a house under construction. You start to lose me by thinking it should be a death sentence. 

I think I’ve read one person on this site who’s ever said that.  
 

Pointing that part of the story out is just highlighting the false narrative that this guy was just out for a daily fitness jog and randomly hunted down purely on his skin color.  

[The Observer 641]

6 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I think I’ve read one person on this site who’s ever said that.  
 

Pointing that part of the story out is just highlighting the false narrative that this guy was just out for a daily fitness jog and randomly hunted down purely on his skin color.  

There's 20+ pages of Trumpsters telling us all the reasons The dead kid is a bad person or how it's his fault for fighting back.  False narrative my ass.  Every time a black person is killed in a hate crime, you guys automatically go into research mode to make it known that he was no angel.  As if it makes a damn bit of difference. Such racist bullshit

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2 minutes ago, The Observer said:

There's 20+ pages of Trumpsters telling us all the reasons The dead kid is a bad person or how it's his fault for fighting back.  False narrative my ass.  Every time a black person is killed in a hate crime, you guys automatically go into research mode to make it known that he was no angel.  As if it makes a damn bit of difference. Such racist bullshit

It usually makes a huge difference. Also this wasn’t a hate crime. The men were trying to make a citizens arrest on a known suspect who had been up to shady stuff in the neighborhood. Their intent was to detain him until he inexplicably attacked them, forcing them to shoot in self preservation. Same exact situation would have played out had he been a white crackhead stealing tools from a construction site or whatever and attacked armed men. Same exact focking result.

[tanatastic 2,062]

The reason we always dig for facts is because each and every one of these cases always has an explanation once the layer of “He was hunted down and killed for his skin color!” nonsense is peeled away. Every single one. The guy crawling in Arizona? He reached, could have been a gun. The chick who got shot in her sleep the other day? Drugs had been delivered at her address, cops busted in, boyfriend opened fire, she got hit in the crossfire. Wasnt just “Cops shot a black woman while she slept cuz she was black!”.

[The Observer 641]

24 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

It usually makes a huge difference. Also this wasn’t a hate crime. The men were trying to make a citizens arrest on a known suspect who had been up to shady stuff in the neighborhood. Their intent was to detain him until he inexplicably attacked them, forcing them to shoot in self preservation. Same exact situation would have played out had he been a white crackhead stealing tools from a construction site or whatever and attacked armed men. Same exact focking result.

We'll see.  The judge will have much more information than we do.  BUt from what I saw on video, those rednecks shouldn't see the light of day for at least ten years.

 

[BiffTannen 953]

Reggie also has a shoplifting incident from 2018. Thankfully this hoodlum is off the streets. 

[tanatastic 2,062]

10 minutes ago, The Observer said:

We'll see.  The judge will have much more information than we do.  BUt from what I saw on video, those rednecks shouldn't see the light of day for at least ten years.

 

The judge won’t have more information than we do. Every relevant piece of info is in the video. I think that’s the disconnect here. You are so focused on what we don’t know when all we need to know is in the video. I don’t care what he was up to before, what his past is etc or wether the men were justified in trying to track him down. The only info you need is that he sees the men with guns, attacks them and is then shot while trying to take the gun. 

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Just now, tanatastic said:

The judge won’t have more information than we do. Every relevant piece of info is in the video. I think that’s the disconnect here. You are so focused on what we don’t know when all we need to know is in the video. I don’t care what he was up to before, what his past is etc or wether the men were justified in trying to track him down. The only info you need is that he sees the men with guns, attacks them and is then shot while trying to take the gun. 

Uhh, you're 100% wrong about me.  I'm ONLY concerned about what's in the video. I don't care if he stole a Snickers bar from the CVS in 2014 or if he trespassed at a jobsite and looked around a little.   Other factors may alter my opinion on how long they should be in jail, but certainly not in the fact that they're guilty. 

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Just now, The Observer said:

Uhh, you're 100% wrong about me.  I'm ONLY concerned about what's in the video. I don't care if he stole a Snickers bar from the CVS in 2014 or if he trespassed at a jobsite and looked around a little.   Other factors may alter my opinion on how long they should be in jail, but certainly not in the fact that they're guilty. 

Ok so taking that into consideration it just becomes a matter of how you interpret the video. I see two men with guns stopped in the road with the intent of setting up a roadblock for Arbery. Arbery then strategically attacks one of the men from a flanking position and attempts to take his gun and is then shot. If we see different things, there’s nothing left to discuss I suppose. If we do see the same thing it becomes a matter of if you think anyone had no other choice. Arbery had a choice, he could stop or run away. The men had no choice, if he gets that gun they are dead. 

[peenie 1,915]

1 hour ago, tanatastic said:

Arbery then strategically attacks one of the men from a flanking position and attempts to take his gun and is then shot.

Or he was running away from the side where the person has the gun. It could be that Arbery ran to the right and then the gunman walked toward him to shoot him and missed then Arbery grabbed the gun thinking he could wrestle it from him as he was old. My version is just as plausible as yours. You say he was trying to be strategic but I say he was avoiding.

Why aren't there searches into the background and crimes committed by the white men involved?

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8 minutes ago, peenie said:

Or he was running away from the side where the person has the gun. It could be that Arbery ran to the right and then the gunman walked toward him to shoot him and missed then Arbery grabbed the gun thinking he could wrestle it from him as he was old. My version is just as plausible as yours. You say he was trying to be strategic but I say he was avoiding.

Why aren't there searches into the background and crimes committed by the white men involved?

Would the kid still be alive? What’s your objective?

[Crestwood 2 128]

1 minute ago, Crestwood 2 said:

Would the kid still be alive? What’s your objective?

You’re not very intelligent. Don’t you claim to work in DC?  I work and live in DC too. It’s not the homeless or “criminals” that scare me ... it’s the retarded people like you.  Stop acting like animals and you won’t be treated like one. Best advice I can givec

[The Observer 641]

Just now, Crestwood 2 said:

You’re not very intelligent. Don’t you claim to work in DC?  I work and live in DC too. It’s not the homeless or “criminals” that scare me ... it’s the retarded people like you.  Stop acting like animals and you won’t be treated like one. Best advice I can givec

Are you arguing with yourself?

[Crestwood 2 128]

And I quoted myself... lol. 

[Crestwood 2 128]

Just now, The Observer said:

Are you arguing with yourself?

Yup. Screwed that one up pretty good lol

[The Observer 641]

Just now, Crestwood 2 said:

Yup. Screwed that one up pretty good lol

It's Friday. I'll allow it.  Just means you started happy hour already. 

[Crestwood 2 128]

Just now, The Observer said:

It's Friday. I'll allow it.  Just means you started happy hour already. 

  I was really proud of that post too!

 

 

Cheers

[tanatastic 2,062]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

Or he was running away from the side where the person has the gun. It could be that Arbery ran to the right and then the gunman walked toward him to shoot him and missed then Arbery grabbed the gun thinking he could wrestle it from him as he was old. My version is just as plausible as yours. You say he was trying to be strategic but I say he was avoiding.

Why aren't there searches into the background and crimes committed by the white men involved?

That’s simply fantasy and not what happened, as shown on the video. The criminal background of the men is irrelevent, as is the now known criminal background of Arbery. I don’t care if all 3 were choir boys or terrorists. A man attacked 2 men with guns who had set up a roadblock for him and he got shot. Those are the only relevant facts.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

This just gets crazier all the time. https://news.yahoo.com/security-cam-video-raises-questions-150615409.html

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SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) — A young black man filmed by a security camera walking through a home under construction in December and in February may have stopped at the site for a drink of water, according to an attorney for the homeowner thrust into the investigation of the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery.

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On Friday, an attorney for the owner of the house under construction released three security camera videos taken Dec. 17, more than two months before the shooting. They show a black man in a T-shirt and shorts at the site. In the final clip, he walks a few steps toward the road, then starts running at a jogger's pace.

“It now appears that this young man may have been coming onto the property for water,” J. Elizabeth Graddy, the attorney for homeowner Larry English, said in a statement. “There is a water source at the dock behind the house as well as a source near the front of the structure. Although these water sources do not appear within any of the cameras’ frames, the young man moves to and from their locations.”

 

[Alias Detective 1,400]

5 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

This just gets crazier all the time. https://news.yahoo.com/security-cam-video-raises-questions-150615409.html

 

Poor soul was simply thirsty.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,423]

Poor guy just wanted a drink of water now. Crack does make you thirsty 

[The Observer 641]

12 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

This just gets crazier all the time. https://news.yahoo.com/security-cam-video-raises-questions-150615409.html

 

So let me get this straight. Of all the places this kid could have gotten water, he just happens to choose a place where there could be a Black n Decker tape measure layin around to 'disappear'?  Is that what I'm supposed to believe?  I'm glad Jethro and Cletus decided to take this kid out. Before you kn ow it, he'd have been looking for iced tea or Hi C. 

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14 hours ago, peenie said:

AT WORK!!!!!! 

IF YOUR COLLEAGUE OR A TERRORIST IS TRYING TO KILL YOU IN YOUR OFFICE IT'S BETTER TO FIGHT AND HAVE A CHANCE AT LIVING ANOTHER DAY VS JUST GETTING SHOT.

 

So what exactly did they teach you to do? 

Also this is not the situation Arbery was in.

[Utilit99 4,099]

38 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

This just gets crazier all the time. https://news.yahoo.com/security-cam-video-raises-questions-150615409.html

 

Sounds like Adam Schiff is on the case.

[Alias Detective 1,400]

1 hour ago, The Observer said:

So let me get this straight. Of all the places this kid could have gotten water, he just happens to choose a place where there could be a Black n Decker tape measure layin around to 'disappear'?  Is that what I'm supposed to believe?  I'm glad Jethro and Cletus decided to take this kid out. Before you kn ow it, he'd have been looking for iced tea or Hi C. 

Purple drank more likely.

[Fireballer 2,642]

3 hours ago, tanatastic said:

That’s simply fantasy and not what happened, as shown on the video. The criminal background of the men is irrelevent, as is the now known criminal background of Arbery. I don’t care if all 3 were choir boys or terrorists. A man attacked 2 men with guns who had set up anillegal roadblock for him and he got shot. Those are the only relevant facts.

Fixed.  Dudes had no right to attempt a detention.

[Utilit99 4,099]

13 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Fixed.  Dudes had no right to attempt a detention.

So it's illegal in Georgia to try to catch a criminal running away from a crime? Did these guys get charged for that?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

11 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

So it's illegal in Georgia to try to catch a criminal running away from a crime? Did these guys get charged for that?

It’s illegal if you shoot him and, yes, they got charged. HTH.

[Fireballer 2,642]

11 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

So it's illegal in Georgia to try to catch a criminal running away from a crime? Did these guys get charged for that?

Only a felony allows you to attempt to detain.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Only a felony allows you to attempt to detain.

Ah. Good to know, because if I saw someone sprinting out of one of my neighbor's property I might try to catch the scumbag.

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

It’s illegal if you shoot him and, yes, they got charged. HTH.

I know they got charged for murder, which they should be let off on, but didn't know this attempted detainment charge. 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

8 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I know they got charged for murder, which they should be let off on, but didn't know this attempted detainment charge. 

They start with the highest charge and work from there. Manslaughter is definitely in play.

[Crestwood 2 128]

Manslaughter.

 

The black guy grabbed their gun.    Why can’t black people just follow the rules?   
 

Just don’t commit crimes and you’ll live. Why can’t the blacks understand that ????

[Bier Meister 1,710]

12 minutes ago, Crestwood 2 said:

Manslaughter.

 

The black guy grabbed their gun.    Why can’t black people just follow the rules?   

Because they have too often experienced abuse of power and do not trust authority.
 

Just don’t commit crimes and you’ll live. Why can’t the blacks understand that ????

Not every crime deserves a death penalty.