If Masks work, why can't we vote normally?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

10 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I mean this whole “It’s fine, I’m wearing a mask” attitude is one of the main reasons they were reluctant to recommend masks at first. False sense of security.

. Now the coviders are turning on masks.  Get ready for it.

[drobeski 3,061]

Fauci just said there's no reason to not vote in person if safety guidelines are followed.  

Whats the problem

[drobeski 3,061]

11 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

. Now the coviders are turning on masks.  Get ready for it.

 yep, theyll turn in Fauci now too... 

Hack ass mutha fockers who know they can't win without stealing it. 

Go fock yourselves. 

[MDC 5,893]

2 hours ago, Brad GLuckman said:

Every state is doing it differently. Yes there are some like California that are just blasting ballots out to everyone, which I disagree with

There are others that basically want to move to the 'no-excuse absentee ballot', which is already in use in some places. A voter needs to request a ballot, they are verified, and are mailed a ballot. No reason is necessary for the ballot request. I'm ok with that. 

 

Nailed it. Why is Trump opposed to expanded mail in voting?

[jerryskids 5,206]

2 hours ago, Brad GLuckman said:

Every state is doing it differently. Yes there are some like California that are just blasting ballots out to everyone, which I disagree with

There are others that basically want to move to the 'no-excuse absentee ballot', which is already in use in some places. A voter needs to request a ballot, they are verified, and are mailed a ballot. No reason is necessary for the ballot request. I'm ok with that. 

 

I don't think most people would object to that, subject to the strain of system implementation that I discuss below.

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

Nailed it. Why is Trump opposed to expanded mail in voting?

As Strike and I said earlier, you can't just turn on a complex untested system like mailing everyone ballots, or even changing the absentee ballot process at this point, and expect it to work.  I already provided one example.  Heck, Iowa had that wizzy new app for their caucus, how did that turn out?  Here's another one:

Michigan rejects 10,694 mail-in ballots — 846 of them "because the voter was dead"

https://disrn.com/news/michigan-rejects-846-mail-in-ballots-because-the-voter-was-dead/

Those are the ones they caught.  Glad to know nobody is trying to game the system. 

And to be clear, I understand the concept of people being afraid of Covid for health reasons, and putting in a mechanism for them to vote.  Also my state of AZ has a no-excuse absentee ballot and my family and I all use it.  I'm just not sure how reasonable it is to change for other states at this point.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

2 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

. Now the coviders are turning on masks.  Get ready for it.

I’m not “turning on” anything. Masks are good, wear em. But they aren’t magic

[MDC 5,893]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't think most people would object to that, subject to the strain of system implementation that I discuss below.

As Strike and I said earlier, you can't just turn on a complex untested system like mailing everyone ballots, or even changing the absentee ballot process at this point, and expect it to work.  I already provided one example.  Heck, Iowa had that wizzy new app for their caucus, how did that turn out?  Here's another one:

Michigan rejects 10,694 mail-in ballots — 846 of them "because the voter was dead"

https://disrn.com/news/michigan-rejects-846-mail-in-ballots-because-the-voter-was-dead/

Those are the ones they caught.  Glad to know nobody is trying to game the system. 

And to be clear, I understand the concept of people being afraid of Covid for health reasons, and putting in a mechanism for them to vote.  Also my state of AZ has a no-excuse absentee ballot and my family and I all use it.  I'm just not sure how reasonable it is to change for other states at this point.

Other states want to expand mail in voting because of concerns with Covid. Seems like the POTUS should be willing to work with them to some extent. Seems like Trump is mostly concerned with keeping turnout low and preemptively casting doubt on the vote.

I’ll probably vote in person but I have a nearby polling place and I’ve never had to wait. If long wait times were typical at my polling place I’d want to vote by mail too.

[The Elevator Killer 497]

13 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

I mean this whole “It’s fine, I’m wearing a mask” attitude is one of the main reasons they were reluctant to recommend masks at first. False sense of security.

I have had people get to close to me and have asked them to back of only to be told, "You have a mask." People think that having a mask means you don't have to worry about the 6 foot rule. People are stupid.

[jerryskids 5,206]

12 minutes ago, MDC said:

Other states want to expand mail in voting because of concerns with Covid. Seems like the POTUS should be willing to work with them to some extent. Seems like Trump is mostly concerned with keeping turnout low and preemptively casting doubt on the vote.

I’ll probably vote in person but I have a nearby polling place and I’ve never had to wait. If long wait times were typical at my polling place I’d want to vote by mail too.

Viewing it through your OMB-always lens, I can see how it seems that way to you.  Others might view it as concern about the integrity of the process.  That being said I am on record as saying "keeping turnout low" to me means things like not busing in homeless people, giving them a pack of smokes, and telling them which are the blue levers to pull.  I don't think that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind with this right-to-vote thingy.  So given the multiple examples I've provided already, I am indeed a little jaded on the subject.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m not “turning on” anything. Masks are good, wear em. But they aren’t magic

Right, 99% safe isn't "safe". Nor 80%, nor 30%. We are waiting for the left to give us the all clear once they decide how safe is "safe".  We do know that masks are 100% "safe" at protests.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

9 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Right, 99% safe isn't "safe". Nor 80%, nor 30%. We are waiting for the left to give us the all clear once they decide how safe is "safe".  We do know that masks are 100% "safe" at protests.

I never said that and I haven’t been to any protests

[MDC 5,893]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Viewing it through your OMB-always lens, I can see how it seems that way to you. 

It seems that way to anyone paying attention. Deep down you know I’m right.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I never said that and I haven’t been to any protests

You parrot your masters. And they have clearly said masks are safe for riots, but not voting.

[Baker Boy 1,485]

It once was entertaining watching the Liberals change their stance on a subject dependent on the argument but now it is just old and worn out. 

[Fireballer 2,383]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Nailed it. Why is Trump opposed to expanded mail in voting?

 Link to Trump being opposed to absentee type voting where each ballot is vetted so they are only obtained and mailed in by legal, registered voters???

[IGotWorms 3,315]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

You parrot your masters. And they have clearly said masks are safe for riots, but not voting.

I don’t have masters

[drobeski 3,061]

11 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 Link to Trump being opposed to absentee type voting where each ballot is vetted so they are only obtained and mailed in by legal, registered voters???

I have a funny feeling you won't get a response. 

[jerryskids 5,206]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

It seems that way to anyone paying attention. Deep down you know I’m right.  

I'm pretty confident that you don't read my posts.  It is in the left's interest to get ignorant, unmotivated, and/or mentally challenged people to vote by promising them free stuff, hence I and a lot of conservatives question anything which "artificially" increases voting numbers.  I noticed that you didn't comment on the 846 dead people voting in Michigan, because that would go against your "no evidence of voter fraud evah" Vox mantra.  Deep down you know I'm right. 

As others have said, if states can process absentee requests at this time in time for the election, great.  I suggest that those people get off of their asses and do it, if they want to vote by mail.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

Dead people voting. It worked for JFK, it can work for JoHo too. 

[Boots11234 107]

This is a simple yet perfect question That they cannot answer without twisting in knots. 

[MDC 5,893]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm pretty confident that you don't read my posts.  

I get the same feeling. I ask why Trump votes by mail and his own commission found not evidence of widespread fraud.

Your reply was “OMB!”  

[jerryskids 5,206]

37 minutes ago, MDC said:

I get the same feeling. I ask why Trump votes by mail and his own commission found not evidence of widespread fraud.

Your reply was “OMB!”  

I'm pretty confident you don't read your own posts.  In the post I replied to, you attributed Trump's behavior to it "Seems like Trump is mostly concerned with keeping turnout low and preemptively casting doubt on the vote."  This conclusion is consistent with your severe case of TDS.

Also, still nothing on those dead voters?  I swear I typed something about that.  

[Mike Honcho 4,038]

4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I don't think most people would object to that, subject to the strain of system implementation that I discuss below.

As Strike and I said earlier, you can't just turn on a complex untested system like mailing everyone ballots, or even changing the absentee ballot process at this point, and expect it to work.  I already provided one example.  Heck, Iowa had that wizzy new app for their caucus, how did that turn out?  Here's another one:

Michigan rejects 10,694 mail-in ballots — 846 of them "because the voter was dead"

https://disrn.com/news/michigan-rejects-846-mail-in-ballots-because-the-voter-was-dead/

Those are the ones they caught.  Glad to know nobody is trying to game the system. 

And to be clear, I understand the concept of people being afraid of Covid for health reasons, and putting in a mechanism for them to vote.  Also my state of AZ has a no-excuse absentee ballot and my family and I all use it.  I'm just not sure how reasonable it is to change for other states at this point.

Just to clarify, since some think they people were trying to 'game the system'. 

Quote

 

Michigan has rejected 10,694 mailed ballots during the August 4 primary. Of the number, 846 ballots were not accepted “because the voter was dead”, reports said.

The state clarified that the deceased voters died sometime after they voted and before the ballots were counted.

Link

 

[Strike 3,979]

People can't vote in person but they can get out in person to protest for mail in voting, without social distancing and many from at risk groups? 

Things that make you go Hmmmm.........

[MDC 5,893]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I'm pretty confident you don't read your own posts.  In the post I replied to, you attributed Trump's behavior to it "Seems like Trump is mostly concerned with keeping turnout low and preemptively casting doubt on the vote."  This conclusion is consistent with your severe case of TDS.

Also, still nothing on those dead voters?  I swear I typed something about that.  

I’m basing my conclusion on the fact that Trump has spent years claiming widespread voting fraud without any evidence to back it up. He convened a commission to investigate and shut them down when they didn’t find widespread fraud.

So based on that and the fact that he’s made no distinction between requesting a mail in ballot vs mass sending of ballots, I’m assuming Trump is trying to cast doubt and plans to claim fraud regardless of the outcome. If he loses, it’s fraud. If he wins, he would have won by more except for fraud. There is no circumstance where Trump won’t complain about fraud.

This is obvious to anyone not suffering from the right wing version of TDS.  

I haven’t read anything about Michigan but I will if you have a link. Did those votes actually get counted?  

[IGotWorms 3,315]

2 hours ago, Boots11234 said:

This is a simple yet perfect question That they cannot answer without twisting in knots. 

I answered it rather easily  

[MDC 5,893]

30 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Just to clarify, since some think they people were trying to 'game the system'. 

 

I figured it was something like this.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

17 minutes ago, MDC said:

I figured it was something like this.

Well I, for one, am shocked

[Baker Boy 1,485]

37 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Just to clarify, since some think they people were trying to 'game the system'. 

 

So all 846 people died in between the vote and the count. That does not pass the smell test. I wouldn’t doubt they will say they were all COVID deaths. When you start believing your government without question you are in trouble. Why did they reject them, if you die before your vote is counted it doesn’t count. Did they forget to look at the date of death before they rejected them? Do the people that move vote twice? I think the point here is that over 10,000 votes had to be rejected. This is a disaster. This is bad as the American Socialist Parties vote on the video.

Michigan clerks rejected 10,694 mailed ballots during the August 4 primary. Of those, 846 ballots were not accepted “because the voter was dead,” the Detroit News reported. Further, 2,225 ballots were denied because there was no voter signature on the envelope, and 1,111 votes were discarded because the voter moved...

[Casual Observer 597]

22 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m basing my conclusion on the fact that Trump has spent years claiming widespread voting fraud without any evidence to back it up. He convened a commission to investigate and shut them down when they didn’t find widespread fraud.

So based on that and the fact that he’s made no distinction between requesting a mail in ballot vs mass sending of ballots, I’m assuming Trump is trying to cast doubt and plans to claim fraud regardless of the outcome. If he loses, it’s fraud. If he wins, he would have won by more except for fraud. There is no circumstance where Trump won’t complain about fraud.

This is obvious to anyone not suffering from the right wing version of TDS.  

I haven’t read anything about Michigan but I will if you have a link. Did those votes actually get counted?  

And this Bolshevik claims to have voted for Gary Johnson. 

[Casual Observer 597]

Here's another nugget from the article above:

"Dead people and pets were among the nearly 500,000 inaccurate absentee ballot applications in Virginia. A total of 223,469 mail-in ballots for Nevada's June primary election were bounced as "undeliverable."

The voting process in El Salvador has more integrity than what's mentioned above.

[Fireballer 2,383]

41 minutes ago, MDC said:

 

So based on that and the fact that he’s made no distinction between requesting a mail in ballot vs mass sending of ballots, 

Uh...except for like every interview hes done about mail in voting

Trump has said countless times he has no problem with an individual submitting an application, it being vetted, and the ballot returned via mail.  He may call that absentee.  Its really an antiquated term nowadays.  But, hes made specific distinction that theres a bigly  difference between requesting and mass mailing.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

People can't vote in person but they can get out in person to protest for mail in voting, without social distancing and many from at risk groups? 

Things that make you go Hmmmm.........

This is the perfect example of MDC like stupidity. 

It doesn't matter anymore. The idiots from the left don't care anymore.

[drobeski 3,061]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

People can't vote in person but they can get out in person to protest for mail in voting, without social distancing and many from at risk groups? 

Things that make you go Hmmmm.........

Love the noise makers lol 

These deranged leftists queerbags are like 4 year old children.  

 

[KSB2424 3,083]

1. “Protesting” at peoples houses is not cool.  
 

2.  They are protesting for mail only voting because we should not leave our house due to Covid-19 so let’s all gather together in large numbers to protest it.   :facepalm:

[Baker Boy 1,485]

They are a new kind of stupid.  They are not logical.  They make no sense whatsoever.  But they are going to have the media on their side, and that's the danger.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,656]

The resident  libtards don’t want to explain the dead people getting ballots and other aspects of this foolish idea. 

[KSB2424 3,083]

What could go wrong?

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/08/07/nonprofit-mails-erroneous-absentee-ballot-applications-virginia-voters/

[Reality 2,710]

This stuff is going to be a disaster. It's really that simple, anybody who doesn't think so is an idiot.

Read this link about the debacle in NY...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/nyregion/nyc-mail-ballots-voting.html

[jerryskids 5,206]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

This stuff is going to be a disaster. It's really that simple, anybody who doesn't think so is an idiot.

Read this link about the debacle in NY...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/nyregion/nyc-mail-ballots-voting.html

I'm surprised the NYT published that.  They've probably since fired that traitorous comrade. 

Otherwise, what could go wrong with a plan to send out about 250M ballots with a non-existent system to vet and count them?