Jacob Blake shooting - honest question

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

He wasn't hit by seven rounds.  Untruths are excessive here also.

I did not know that.  How many rounds did he get hit with?

[edjr 6,578]

I heard this clowns video on the news this morning.

All he should have said was "please don't resist arrest, I'd be walking if I listened to my own advice"

[MDC 7,164]

12 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

 

 

Why?

Because Blake wasn’t wielding a weapon or attacking the police. The cop used an overwhelming lethal degree of force to deal with what was at that point a potential threat.

 

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

He wasn't hit by seven rounds.  Untruths are excessive here also.

The cop was a worse shot than I thought.

[edjr 6,578]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Because Blake wasn’t wielding a weapon or attacking the police. The cop used an overwhelming lethal degree of force to deal with what was at that point a potential threat.

Was he reaching in the car for his registration? Crackah please.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

I hope his boss makes his workspace handicapped accessible. He should be able to continue to work. Once he serves his time for his sexual assault.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Because Blake wasn’t wielding a weapon or attacking the police. The cop used an overwhelming lethal degree of force to deal with what was at that point a potential threat.

 

The cop was a worse shot than I thought.

To be fair, that is how all military and police are taught - or anybody in an enforcement role.  When in a situation where it's your life (or a innocent bystander) or theirs, you take their life and/or neutralize the threat.

This ain't like the movies where you shoot them in the knee to disable them.  That rarely, if ever, works.  You shoot center-mass until the threat is neutralized.  "Potential" threats are even worse because you have to make a judgement call in a split second.  Known threats make those calls much easier.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I did not know that.  How many rounds did he get hit with?

The number I have heard is 4.  7 has been debunked. 

[edjr 6,578]

It is an embarrassment of epic proportions that this clown's video is being shown and not a video of him resisting arrest.

What a great speaker he is too. Just what the world needs. Sad

[MDC 7,164]

22 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

To be fair, that is how all military and police are taught - or anybody in an enforcement role.  When in a situation where it's your life (or a innocent bystander) or theirs, you take their life and/or neutralize the threat.

This ain't like the movies where you shoot them in the knee to disable them.  That rarely, if ever, works.  You shoot center-mass until the threat is neutralized.  "Potential" threats are even worse because you have to make a judgement call in a split second.  Known threats make those calls much easier.

I give police the benefit of the doubt in these situations because of the situation they’re in. I don’t think this shooting was deliberate, racist or even close to murder. I do think firing seven rounds in response to a potential vs actual threat seems excessive. How that will play out in an administrative review or whatever I don’t know.  

[edjr 6,578]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I give police the benefit of the doubt in these situations because of the situation they’re in. I don’t think this shooting was deliberate, racist or even close to murder. I do think firing seven rounds in response to a potential vs actual threat seems excessive. How that will play out in an administrative review or whatever I don’t know.  

I often have this same sentiment. What if he only shot him once or twice and he was reaching for a gun in the car, then grabs the gun and turns around and shoots? 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Just now, edjr said:

I often have this same sentiment. What if he only shot him once or twice and he was reaching for a gun in the car, then grabs the gun and turns around and shoots? 

Officers are trained and that is how they react. If you are put in the position to pull the trigger, you aren't pulling it once. Or twice.

[edjr 6,578]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

Officers are trained and that is how they react. If you are put in the position to pull the trigger, you aren't pulling it once. Or twice.

Especially when the dude has a FELONY warrant out for his arrest. it's not like they were trying to arrest Mr. Rogers

[MDC 7,164]

Just now, edjr said:

I often have this same sentiment. What if he only shot him once or twice and he was reaching for a gun in the car, then grabs the gun and turns around and shoots? 

Well that’s the question. Are cops supposed to respond with lethal force anytime someone might be reaching for a gun?

Worth noting that Blake didn’t have a gun. We don’t even know it he was reaching for a knife.

[edjr 6,578]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Well that’s the question. Are cops supposed to respond with lethal force anytime someone might be reaching for a gun?

Worth noting that Blake didn’t have a gun. We don’t even know it he was reaching for a knife.

if you were said cop, are you willing to sit back and see what he's going in the car for, maybe even help him look?

After him resisting arrest, walking away from a taser and knowing he's a felon with a warrant?

[MDC 7,164]

20 minutes ago, edjr said:

if you were said cop, are you willing to sit back and see what he's going in the car for, maybe even help him look?

After him resisting arrest, walking away from a taser and knowing he's a felon with a warrant?

Cops know they’re potentially putting themselves in harms way when they sign up for the job. Seven shots to deal with a potential threat seems extreme.

I’m not calling for the cop to be charged or even fired. I’m just not congratulating him on his police work. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

if you were said cop, are you willing to sit back and see what he's going in the car for, maybe even help him look?

After him resisting arrest, walking away from a taser and knowing he's a felon with a warrant?

The real question is why do they need to lie about him getting shot 7 times if it was excessive force?

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

Well that’s the question. Are cops supposed to respond with lethal force anytime someone might be reaching for a gun?

Worth noting that Blake didn’t have a gun. We don’t even know it he was reaching for a knife.

The FACTS that he:

1)  Had a warrant for a violent offense and the officers knew it,

2)  Had already fought with two officers and broke free, and

3)  Been tazed without it stopping him

suggests that the cops might not want to treat him as just ANY threat.  Is this really that hard to understand?

[Fireballer 2,639]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Seven shots to deal with a potential threat seems extreme.

 

For anyone MMQBing saying 7 shots is extreme, just stop.  You obviously dont know what your talking about.  No one does. All this threat vs potential, and if you act to those differently, does not play into police UofF.  If you are OK with him actually shooting, then you better be ok with him mag dumping if HE still perceives a threat.  Nowhere in ANY use of force training is a quantity of shots ever mentioned. A knife is a deadly weapon.  The only thing he will be judged by is his dept policy and criminal law.  Both use the guidance of what a reasonable officer, with the same training, would do given the exact info available at the time that force was used.

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

Well that’s the question. Are cops supposed to respond with lethal force anytime someone might be reaching for a gun?

Worth noting that Blake didn’t have a gun. We don’t even know it he was reaching for a knife.

There was a knife, that was confirmed, so yes he was wielding a weapon.

Are cops supposed to respond with lethal force when someone might be reaching for a gun? Yes. Yes. If you are a cop are you taking the chance it’s not a gun? “Hey give the violent felon who just shrugged off a taser and is calmly reaching in his car despite 5 officers telling him to freeze the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he’s reaching for his bible?” Please use logic and put yourself in their shoes.

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

Cops know they’re potentially putting themselves in harms way when they sign up for the job. Seven shots to deal with a potential threat seems extreme.

I’m not calling for the cop to be charged or even fired. I’m just not congratulating him on his police work. 

I agree. Should have 1 tapped him in the back of the head.

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3 hours ago, MDC said:

Well that’s the question. Are cops supposed to respond with lethal force anytime someone might be reaching for a gun?

 

Actually, that is NOT the question.  The questions is if it was reasonable for the officer in this specific situation to use lethal force.

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Worth noting that Blake didn’t have a gun. We don’t even know it he was reaching for a knife.

It is absolutely NOT worth noting.  The officer has no way of knowing that.  He has only Blake's behavior to that point upon which to make a judgment.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Chances of a guy like that having a gun are like what, 90%? If he grabs a gun and shoots 2 cops and drives away you would be saying they needed to act sooner. Do I think there’s a scenario where they could have subdued him without gunfire? Sure. Am I taking that chance if I’m a cop? No. Seen multiple videos of cops trying to use less than lethal force and they get the tables turned on them.

[edjr 6,578]

57 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Actually, that is NOT the question.  The questions is if it was reasonable for the officer in this specific situation to use lethal force.

It is absolutely NOT worth noting.  The officer has no way of knowing that.  He has only Blake's behavior to that point upon which to make a judgment.

Remember the white kid that got lit up in the hall way of the hotel for pulling his pants up?

[edjr 6,578]

Just now, tanatastic said:

Chances of a guy like that having a gun are like what, 90%? If he grabs a gun and shoots 2 cops and drives away you would be saying they needed to act sooner. Do I think there’s a scenario where they could have subdued him without gunfire? Sure. Am I taking that chance if I’m a cop? No. Seen multiple videos of cops trying to use less than lethal force and they get the tables turned on them.

I think they should of tackled his ass right when he was opening the car door. What does he weigh, 115? scrawny little focker. Maybe the answer is stronger, more fit cops and not fat lazy slobs

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4 minutes ago, edjr said:

I think they should of tackled his ass right when he was opening the car door. What does he weigh, 115? scrawny little focker. Maybe the answer is stronger, more fit cops and not fat lazy slobs

None of those cops were unfit. One guy was a marathon runner. Most people have no clue what it’s  like to subdue someone who doesn’t want to go.  

[avoiding injuries 1,521]

I always find it funny how the original story ONLY changes in one direction. 

Not sure if there was a knife -> confirmed knife

Shot 7 times -> shot 4 times

Why do liberals always pick the worst incidents to rally behind? Because there aren’t any overly egregious situations that are cut and dry, and can be attributed to racism.  

[avoiding injuries 1,521]

STOP RESISTING ARREST 

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Sucks he didn’t die.

[edjr 6,578]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

None of those cops were unfit. One guy was a marathon runner. Most people have no clue what it’s  like to subdue someone who doesn’t want to go.  

Yeah, i think that vs shooting someone, might want to figure it out

[Hardcore troubadour 14,987]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

Yeah, i think that vs shooting someone, might want to figure it out

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

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I think ed has multiple personalities. 

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24 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I always find it funny how the original story ONLY changes in one direction. 

Not sure if there was a knife -> confirmed knife

Shot 7 times -> shot 4 times

Why do liberals always pick the worst incidents to rally behind? Because there aren’t any overly egregious situations that are cut and dry, and can be attributed to racism.  

Yep...start out with a huge false narrative and then have to walk it back.  The problem is it is the false narrative that everyone remembers.   We have played this game a dozen times.  There have been a few really bad instances that people should be outraged on, but most of these names going on NFL helmets were not it.  

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32 minutes ago, edjr said:

I think they should of tackled his ass right when he was opening the car door. What does he weigh, 115? scrawny little focker. Maybe the answer is stronger, more fit cops and not fat lazy slobs

Who tackles a guy with a knife?

[lod001 1,344]

7 hours ago, MDC said:

Well that’s the question. Are cops supposed to respond with lethal force anytime someone might be reaching for a gun?

Worth noting that Blake didn’t have a gun. We don’t even know it he was reaching for a knife.

Fock yeah they should. If you are dealing with a cop and you reach for a gun, you deserve shot until dead. You are simply too stupid to exist on planet Earth.

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4 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Fock yeah they should. If you are dealing with a cop and you reach for a gun, you deserve shot until dead. You are simply too stupid to exist on planet Earth.

I had this discussion with a friend last week.  I'm a 40s white guy in suburbia.  But you know the last time I was pulled over I made sure my hands were at 10 and 2 on the wheel when the officer was approaching where he could see them.  Why in God's name would you want to put someone who doesn't know you in a position of wondering if you are going to try and do harm to them?  Any of us would have ended up shot had we did the same as Blake.  

[Fireballer 2,639]

Kamala is proud of him.  If Obama had a son...

 

[Masshole 642]

Michael Chesna.   

That's all you have to say to anyone who questions the PD when they are dealing with a resisting arrest situation.      Weymouth MA 2018.     Scumbag crashes his car and is trying to break into a house.   Chesna rolls up because PD was called because of the crash.    He finds scumbag breaking into house, scumbag does scumbag things and Chesna draws his gun and commands scumbag to comply.     Chesna hesitates when the scumbag picks up a rock.   Could have shot that dirtbag dead, unloaded the whole clip into him.   But he hesitated.   The scumbag knocks Chesna out/down with that rock, takes Chesna's gun and kills him and an old lady who just happened to look out her window to see what was going on in her neighborhood.   

I remember Chesna's widow at the funeral and with their 2 young children.   Listened to her speak.   Tragically sad.   

All of you who say the problem is the cops use too much force,  fuk off.   Say his name before you make that comment.     What we need is this entire country to wake the fuk up and recognize the crazy difficult job police do and understand what they expect of you when you are interacting with them.    If you are being a fuking jag off then the cops defcon level goes up a couple of notches.   Don't do that and you won't get shot.    Why don't we have a national protest day of "learn what the hell to do when you deal with the PD or be a dumbass, your choice".

I am in the transportation business, we literally coach/teach drivers on what to do when the PD pulls you over in a truck.   Have your registration, med card, D/L ready.   Hands in clear sight.    Know where your safety equipment is, etc.   It's all so you can quickly signal to the officer that you are aware of your responsibilities under the law and pose no threat to the officer.    I am not dealing with MIT grads in this business, they all figure it out.   

https://www.foxnews.com/us/massachusetts-police-officer-killed-after-attacked-with-rock-shot-with-own-gun-officials-say

 

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Kamala is proud of him.  If Obama had a son...

 

I wonder if she's proud for the rape or the resisting arrest that caused more turmoil for our nation.

[lod001 1,344]

Here is how MDC believes cops should address someone who is reaching for a gun.

 

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12 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Here is how MDC believes cops should address someone who is reaching for a gun.

Only way to shoot a blackie now is you have to be shot by a blackie. At that point you can return fire. Seriously, this is where we are. And you will not be praised a hero. More of an eye roll. You got one. Congrats. Won't happen again.