*Official 2020 Election Thread*

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

51 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Everyone you don't like is a fascist.  Complete with Wiki links to prove it.  Do you recall using the term "fascist" prior to Trump's election in anything other than a term paper?  Are you using that term unironically now, or is this a parody account?

This Rusty is so typical.  Same exact banter as college sophomores in gender studies classes.  Not a bit of difference. 

[Reality 3,121]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This Rusty is so typical.  Same exact banter as college sophomores in gender studies classes.  Not a bit of difference. 

In his 50's but, still takes his marching orders... No questions asked.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

In his 50's but, still takes his marching orders... No questions asked.

Rusty would fit right in at the student union. He’d get slapped in his face at the VFW. 

[Rusty Syringes 478]

32 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This Rusty is so typical.  Same exact banter as college sophomores in gender studies classes.  Not a bit of difference. 

Well, we did determine in those classes that you were a woman trapped inside a sad, pitiful, self-loathing man's body, but it's OK to do some pecker tucks and casual encounters now as an appetizer leading up to the expensive sex change later, and I'll support your choice and not discount your presidential vote in the meantime. Love wins!

 

[Reality 3,121]

Just now, Rusty Syringes said:

Well, we did determine in those classes that you were a woman trapped inside a sad, pitiful, self-loathing man's body, but it's OK to do some pecker tucks and casual encounters now as an appetizer leading up to the expensive sex change later, and I'll support your choice and not discount your presidential vote in the meantime. Love wins!

 

0/10

You're trying way too hard.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

13 minutes ago, Reality said:

0/10

You're trying way too hard.

Yeah. I didn’t make it past the first sentence. This Rusty guy brings nothing.  Not even a good foe. Boring and obvious. 

[Rusty Syringes 478]

33 minutes ago, Reality said:

0/10

You're trying way too hard.

I thought I was at least 0/14. Guess I'll have to update my spreadsheet, peaches! 

[Utilit99 4,099]

8 minutes ago, Rusty Syringes said:

I thought I was at least 0/14. Guess I'll have to update my spreadsheet, peaches! 

Losing is your thing. Go with it and die alone. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

If you wanna play "who is the fascist?", there are a couple of fantasy football forums out there.  One of them is run by the left, and they goosestep over there and ban anyone who does not fall in line with their ideology.  Then there is another not run by these lefties, and people from the left and right are free to speak. 

Hitler would kiss Joe Bryant, Maurile Tremblay, Forrest and the like on the lips.  He would loathe this place.  This place would be a threat to him.

[5-Points 3,564]

15 hours ago, Rusty Syringes said:

Thanks for the history lesson, Willie World Book, but you failed to consider that this discussion is a teeny bit more about current events specific to the United States. 

And Hitler was extreme right, by the way. 

 

Yeah, we're talking current events. Not the past several months of rioting, looting, arson and murder. CURRENT events like Oklahoma City and Waco. 

[FlyinHeadlock 459]

I keep hearing Black Americans are disenfranchised from the voting process. Interesting because when I watch videos of ballot workers I see an uncommon number of Black Americans counting and sorting ballots. How horrible. Touching, smelling, feeling, correcting, counting all these ballots but they just can't seem to get their foot in the door. 

Some things will never change I guess...meh.

 

 

[drobeski 3,061]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

Yeah, we're talking current events. Not the past several months of rioting, looting, arson and murder. CURRENT events like Oklahoma City and Waco. 

She did a number on him

[Rusty Syringes 478]

11 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. I didn’t make it past the first sentence. This Rusty guy brings nothing.  Not even a good foe. Boring and obvious. 

Hardcore tuckadour! 

[RLLD 4,242]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

Yeah, we're talking current events. Not the past several months of rioting, looting, arson and murder. CURRENT events like Oklahoma City and Waco. 

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  16 hours ago, Rusty Syringes said:

Thanks for the history lesson, Willie World Book, but you failed to consider that this discussion is a teeny bit more about current events specific to the United States. 

And Hitler was extreme right, by the way. 

 

Not so fast.

This is a rather common trick among leftists, who desperately want to disassociate themselves from their cousins.

They are then forces to accept Stalin as leftist and then do the standard dance of "thats not real socialism", when we all see socialism is the same everywhere, its focking horrible and destructive.

The right believes in free-market capitalism, they believe the individual is the primary political unit, in property rights, and is generally distrustful of government solutions to social issues. They see family and civil institutions, like the church,  as checks on state power. These people don’t think government should force a business to provide employee birth control or think law should coerce bakers to make cakes against their conscience. They think the solution to bad speech is more speech; the solution to gun violence is more guns(we can call that one a little curious).  They say I am an individual, leave me alone to pursue my individual efforts.

The left believes the opposite. Distrustful of the excesses and inequality capitalism produces. They elevate group rights and identity over the individual. They believe race, ethnicity, and gender compose the primary political units. They do NOT support strong property rights or the rights of the individual. They believe it is the government’s responsibility to solve social problems. They call for public intervention to “equalize” disparities that THEY define. 

By these definitions the Nazis were absolutely on the left. National Socialism was a collectivist authoritarian movement run by “social justice warriors.” That this brand of “justice” benefited only some based on immutable characteristics perfectly aligns with the modern brand. The Nazi ideal embraced identity politics based on the primacy of the people or “volk” and invoked state-based solutions for every possible problem. It was nation-based socialism — with a well-defined enemy.  The Jews were the reason for any issues in your life, they needed to be removed, subjugated, silenced......

Today, the left in America has set their sights on white people, successful people, conservatives as the Nazi's did with the Jews...the parallels are palpable...

[Rusty Syringes 478]

11 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Losing is your thing. Go with it and die alone. 

Kind of like Trump's flailing legal team. Pow! 

All aboard the fail train! Toot toot! 

[jerryskids 6,825]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

 

Not so fast.

This is a rather common trick among leftists, who desperately want to disassociate themselves from their cousins.

They are then forces to accept Stalin as leftist and then do the standard dance of "thats not real socialism", when we all see socialism is the same everywhere, its focking horrible and destructive.

The right believes in free-market capitalism, they believe the individual is the primary political unit, in property rights, and is generally distrustful of government solutions to social issues. They see family and civil institutions, like the church,  as checks on state power. These people don’t think government should force a business to provide employee birth control or think law should coerce bakers to make cakes against their conscience. They think the solution to bad speech is more speech; the solution to gun violence is more guns(we can call that one a little curious).  They say I am an individual, leave me alone to pursue my individual efforts.

The left believes the opposite. Distrustful of the excesses and inequality capitalism produces. They elevate group rights and identity over the individual. They believe race, ethnicity, and gender compose the primary political units. They do NOT support strong property rights or the rights of the individual. They believe it is the government’s responsibility to solve social problems. They call for public intervention to “equalize” disparities that THEY define. 

By these definitions the Nazis were absolutely on the left. National Socialism was a collectivist authoritarian movement run by “social justice warriors.” That this brand of “justice” benefited only some based on immutable characteristics perfectly aligns with the modern brand. The Nazi ideal embraced identity politics based on the primacy of the people or “volk” and invoked state-based solutions for every possible problem. It was nation-based socialism — with a well-defined enemy.  The Jews were the reason for any issues in your life, they needed to be removed, subjugated, silenced......

Today, the left in America has set their sights on white people, successful people, conservatives as the Nazi's did with the Jews...the parallels are palpable...

Is this a quote from somewhere?  Regardless, it is spot on.  

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

 

Not so fast.

This is a rather common trick among leftists, who desperately want to disassociate themselves from their cousins.

They are then forces to accept Stalin as leftist and then do the standard dance of "thats not real socialism", when we all see socialism is the same everywhere, its focking horrible and destructive.

The right believes in free-market capitalism, they believe the individual is the primary political unit, in property rights, and is generally distrustful of government solutions to social issues. They see family and civil institutions, like the church,  as checks on state power. These people don’t think government should force a business to provide employee birth control or think law should coerce bakers to make cakes against their conscience. They think the solution to bad speech is more speech; the solution to gun violence is more guns(we can call that one a little curious).  They say I am an individual, leave me alone to pursue my individual efforts.

The left believes the opposite. Distrustful of the excesses and inequality capitalism produces. They elevate group rights and identity over the individual. They believe race, ethnicity, and gender compose the primary political units. They do NOT support strong property rights or the rights of the individual. They believe it is the government’s responsibility to solve social problems. They call for public intervention to “equalize” disparities that THEY define. 

By these definitions the Nazis were absolutely on the left. National Socialism was a collectivist authoritarian movement run by “social justice warriors.” That this brand of “justice” benefited only some based on immutable characteristics perfectly aligns with the modern brand. The Nazi ideal embraced identity politics based on the primacy of the people or “volk” and invoked state-based solutions for every possible problem. It was nation-based socialism — with a well-defined enemy.  The Jews were the reason for any issues in your life, they needed to be removed, subjugated, silenced......

Today, the left in America has set their sights on white people, successful people, conservatives as the Nazi's did with the Jews...the parallels are palpable...

This is the stuff that makes me think, and I can't fathom why some of my left/SJW friends don't see the parallels; local govts literally telling/asking people to report neighbors who are violating Covid 'mandates.' Hiding what you're doing in your own home? Scary. 

They also believe that govt needs to tell us how to act; that politics are NOT at the individual level - unless there are arguments about votes and vote counting, and at that point "every vote counts." They keep moving the goal posts and changing the rules. Every vote DOES matter, unless you're conservative; then you need to be canceled the fock out and we will ruin your business and out you on every platform possible. We will ruin and excommunicate our family members, etc.  

I just don't understand how the hatred and OMB has resulted in this. 

[MDC 7,470]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

This is the stuff that makes me think, and I can't fathom why some of my left/SJW friends don't see the parallels; local govts literally telling/asking people to report neighbors who are violating Covid 'mandates.' Hiding what you're doing in your own home? Scary. 

We live in a country where the government routinely monitors your email and phone calls and has declared the right to kidnap and torture it’s own citizens. I never hear any complaining about this. But a mask mandate during a pandemic is the hill that Republicans want to die on.

 

[FlyinHeadlock 459]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

We live in a country where the government routinely monitors your email and phone calls and has declared the right to kidnap and torture it’s own citizens. I never hear any complaining about this. But a mask mandate during a pandemic is the hill that Republicans want to die on.

 

Looks like they are winning on it. Newsome's police said not enforcing it. Same where I live. I never wear it. I took the hill a while back.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

12 minutes ago, MDC said:

We live in a country where the government routinely monitors your email and phone calls and has declared the right to kidnap and torture it’s own citizens. I never hear any complaining about this. But a mask mandate during a pandemic is the hill that Republicans want to die on.

 

Kidnapping and torture is legal now? Since when? Link? No, no link. Just desperate flailing by an uniformed, emotional wreck. 

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

27 minutes ago, MDC said:

We live in a country where the government routinely monitors your email and phone calls and has declared the right to kidnap and torture it’s own citizens. I never hear any complaining about this. But a mask mandate during a pandemic is the hill that Republicans want to die on.

 

Do you have proof of the former? 

Also, not what I was saying at all, but I am not surprised that this is the spin you put on it. 

No masks = Republican. That's probably one of the more lame assumptions I've heard from the left. I know plenty of lefties that don't wear masks, but that's usually blamed on having some other kind of medical/anxiety/claustrophobia issue. 

[MDC 7,470]

19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

No masks = Republican. That's probably one of the more lame assumptions I've heard from the left. 

Most of the anti mask anti lockdown Covid hoax conspiracy dingbats are righties. You know it I know it we all know it.

[RLLD 4,242]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Most of the anti mask anti lockdown Covid hoax conspiracy dingbats are righties. You know it I know it we all know it.

I think this is true and aligns with the tendency of the conservatives to focus on individual rights.

I think it also highlights the key flaw in that belief in the area of individual rights where the needs of the larger group are subservient and thus a pandemic can thrive where individual rights exist.  The reason the Chinese first lied and attempted to subvert the disease but eventually overcame it was that as leftists individual rights are not recognized, and are trampled where the good of the many is in conflict.

No system is perfect, all are flawed, but not all result in the death of millions as a course of action as with what the Democrats want to do with their socialism.

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

Most of the anti mask anti lockdown Covid hoax conspiracy dingbats are righties. You know it I know it we all know it.

Maybe I find this false because I live in a blue state. The city in which I live is red, but it's pretty rare I don't see someone wearing a mask. Maybe it's more localized, but people around me seem to wear them and take the illness seriously. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Maybe I find this false because I live in a blue state. The city in which I live is red, but it's pretty rare I don't see someone wearing a mask. Maybe it's more localized, but people around me seem to wear them and take the illness seriously. 

It's very obvious around where I live.  Stereotypes exist for a reason and a lot of people in my area fit a lot of them.  Far more liberal people had been wearing masks compared to conservative.

[Rusty Syringes 478]

10 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Maybe I find this false because I live in a blue state. The city in which I live is red, but it's pretty rare I don't see someone wearing a mask. Maybe it's more localized, but people around me seem to wear them and take the illness seriously. 

This isn't the case in Texor, where there has been widespread rebellion against masks and closures since the beginning, particularly in super conservative communities like the one in which I live. Our conservative governor kind of half-assed the handling of the pandemic, nicely uniting the left and right in a shared dislike of him, albeit for completely different reasons.

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

6 minutes ago, Rusty Syringes said:

This isn't the case in Texor, where there has been widespread rebellion against masks and closures since the beginning, particularly in super conservative communities like the one in which I live. Our conservative governor kind of half-assed the handling of the pandemic, nicely uniting the left and right in a shared dislike of him, albeit for completely different reasons.

I think part of our issue is' that our Gov didn't wear one much, and when out in public in the beginning, he wore it wrong (didn't cover his nose). 

Newsome and Pelosi don't have the best track record for the left, IMO.  CA doesn't have the greatest "lead by example" people. 

[MDC 7,470]

29 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Maybe I find this false because I live in a blue state. The city in which I live is red, but it's pretty rare I don't see someone wearing a mask. Maybe it's more localized, but people around me seem to wear them and take the illness seriously. 

I see people here in deep blue Philadelphia not wearing masks too. But most of the anti-mask Covid is a hoax stuff seems to be coming from the right. Starting with Trump.

[FlyinHeadlock 459]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I see people here in deep blue Philadelphia not wearing masks too. But most of the anti-mask Covid is a hoax stuff seems to be coming from the right. Starting with Trump.

Nobody is saying it's a hoax. What is a hoax is saying 2M dead was worse case scenario and then changing it to 200K dead is worse case scenario and the sky is falling. It is not falling. Even the CDC stated most of the deaths are not entirely related specifically to Covid so the reality is it's not that serious.

That aspect of it is absolutely a hoax. It can't be 2M dead and 200K dead, both treated as equal.

[lod001 1,344]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I see people here in deep blue Philadelphia not wearing masks too. But most of the anti-mask Covid is a hoax stuff seems to be coming from the right. Starting with Trump.

You do realize that all these dead people already had something wrong with them because they were too stupid to take care of #1. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. We are an unhealthy nation of overweight timebombs walking around. Covid is just thinning the herd.

America was the only non-European country to make the top 10, and it had the ninth highest rate of obesity in the world with 35 percent of the adult population classified as dangerously overweight.

'oh, he was as healthy as an ox.' No, he was the size of an ox.

'He was only 49 and healthy.' Um, no, when they checked him into the hospital they found out he was a ticking timebomb with HBP and diabetes. That's why he's dead, morons.

'he was only 18 years old'. Yeah with a ticking time bomb in him called a heart ailment that you never addressed.

[FlyinHeadlock 459]

All the cities losing their minds over covid are also losing their minds over their busted financial budgets even before covid. They will need Federal bailouts for things they did that have nothing to do with covid. 

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

21 minutes ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

Nobody is saying it's a hoax. What is a hoax is saying 2M dead was worse case scenario and then changing it to 200K dead is worse case scenario and the sky is falling. It is not falling. Even the CDC stated most of the deaths are not entirely related specifically to Covid so the reality is it's not that serious.

That aspect of it is absolutely a hoax. It can't be 2M dead and 200K dead, both treated as equal.

There are literally people that are saying it's a hoax and that it doesn't exist.  It's not what Trump meant but stupid people took it out of context and actually think it's a hoax.  It's not a large majority but these people exist.

[Rusty Syringes 478]

1 hour ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

Nobody is saying it's a hoax. What is a hoax is saying 2M dead was worse case scenario and then changing it to 200K dead is worse case scenario and the sky is falling. It is not falling. Even the CDC stated most of the deaths are not entirely related specifically to Covid so the reality is it's not that serious.

That aspect of it is absolutely a hoax. It can't be 2M dead and 200K dead, both treated as equal.

You're taking this 2 million completely out of context. That was the estimated dead if we did nothing - no masks, no shutdowns, no social distancing, etc.

The virus is deadlier and more contagious than the flu, whose mortality rate is around 0.1 percent. The COVID death rate is between 2 percent and 3 percent worldwide.

During the last flu season, 30 million people got the flu in the United States. The flu shot cuts the infection rate in half.

The U.S. population is almost 330 million. So almost 10 percent of our population gets the flu each year, which means almost 30,000 people die from it. 

With no preventative vaccine, let's say 60 million people in this country get COVID. That's 1.2 million deaths.

In the early days, the death rate was higher as health officials scrambled to find ways to treat it. 

So that initial 2 million prediction, which was based on "if we do nothing," made perfect sense at the time.

You can't compare the current deaths of about 260,000 to the 2 million without factoring in the steps taken to slow the infection rate.

 

[FlyinHeadlock 459]

1 minute ago, Rusty Syringes said:

You're taking this 2 million completely out of context. That was the estimated dead if we did nothing - no masks, no shutdowns, no social distancing, etc.

The virus is deadlier and more contagious than the flu, whose mortality rate is around 0.1 percent. The COVID death rate is between 2 percent and 3 percent worldwide.

During the last flu season, 30 million people got the flu. The flu shot cuts the infection rate in half.

The U.S. population is almost 330 million. So almost 10 percent of our population gets the flu each year, which means almost 300,000 people die from it. 

With no preventative vaccine, let's say 60 million people in this country get COVID. That's 1.2 million deaths.

In the early days, the death rate was higher as health officials scrambled to find ways to treat it. 

So that initial 2 million prediction, which was based on "if we do nothing," made perfect sense at the time.

You can't compare the current deaths of about 260,000 to the 2 million without factoring in the steps taken to slow the infection rate.

 

Heart disease is the #1 killer. Covid is #3. Focus on heart disease and we save more lives.

[Hawkeye21 2,400]

1 minute ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

Heart disease is the #1 killer. Covid is #3. Focus on heart disease and we save more lives.

Lots of people out there spreading heart disease.  Very contagious.

[realtruelove 18]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Lots of people out there spreading heart disease.  Very contagious.

Flatten the curves.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Lots of people out there spreading heart disease.  Very contagious.

Have to give props on this one. 

[FlyinHeadlock 459]

Heart disease is contagious. See someone eating comfort food, you want it then you get fat as phuck and get the heart disease.

[Mike Honcho 5,287]

11 minutes ago, Rusty Syringes said:

You're taking this 2 million completely out of context. That was the estimated dead if we did nothing - no masks, no shutdowns, no social distancing, etc.

The virus is deadlier and more contagious than the flu, whose mortality rate is around 0.1 percent. The COVID death rate is between 2 percent and 3 percent worldwide.

During the last flu season, 30 million people got the flu in the United States. The flu shot cuts the infection rate in half.

The U.S. population is almost 330 million. So almost 10 percent of our population gets the flu each year, which means almost 300,000 people die from it. 

With no preventative vaccine, let's say 60 million people in this country get COVID. That's 1.2 million deaths.

In the early days, the death rate was higher as health officials scrambled to find ways to treat it. 

So that initial 2 million prediction, which was based on "if we do nothing," made perfect sense at the time.

You can't compare the current deaths of about 260,000 to the 2 million without factoring in the steps taken to slow the infection rate.

 

Not sure how you are doing your math, but flu deaths aren't anywhere near 300K deaths per year.

CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, FlyinHeadlock said:

Heart disease is contagious. See someone eating comfort food, you want it then you get fat as phuck and get the heart disease.

Love that chicken from Popeyes.