Afghanistan

[DonS 3,292]

19 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

They probably are using it right now as they move forward in their march. 

And then they will be....(in creepy joe's own words)

"You have the Afghan  Taliban troops that’s 300,000 well-equipped — as well-equipped as any army in the world — and an air force.."

To be fair, though, a good chunk of those 300k Afghan troops were probably secretly Taliban anyways.  They just had to switch which direction they were aiming their guns. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

10 minutes ago, DonS said:

To be fair, though, a good chunk of those 300k Afghan troops were probably secretly Taliban anyways.  They just had to switch which direction they were aiming their guns. 

I agree with that. Heard a bunch of reporting about the afghans switching over. Not from creepy joe though.

The afghans are fine. 

The US border has been closed for months now, blah blah blah.

Man, I really want to smell that little girl's hair and kiss her all over.

It's just another day in the mind of joey. 

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Such a shame. We would've of stood a chance without 20 years of buIIshit ROE. Instead, we wasted countless American lives for a war we never let our boys go win. 

Then, to add insult to injury, this shitbag administration just cuts and runs in the middle of the night. 

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Was there not a viable exit plan?

[Reality 3,121]

6 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Was there not a viable exit plan?

Biden handled this as bad as it could possibly be handled. 

[fandandy 3,313]

27 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Was there not a viable exit plan?

Probably not.  Trump and Biden can go back and forth now but the point is the American people got focked, again.  We need to get to a point as the citizenry of this country where we collectively lose faith in our government.  

How many Trillions of dollars were wasted over there?  And for what?

Fock us.  We genuinely suck.

Everything they tell us, pretty much always is a focking lie.

[Fireballer 2,643]

How's this working out?

 

[DonS 3,292]

5 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

How's this working out?

 

lgbtI???  Where did the "I" come from and what happened to the "Q"?   Makes sense that folks that change their pronouns non-stop also can't make up their minds about what acronym to stick with. 

Thankfully the US waited until Pride Month was over before abandoning ship.

[MDC 7,497]

Trump would have done a much better job of withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan if he’d followed through on his pledge to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan.

Ask him.  

[IGotWorms 4,059]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Was there not a viable exit plan?

They spent 20 years trying to come up with one. So apparently, no.

[Reality 3,121]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump would have done a much better job of withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan if he’d followed through on his pledge to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan.

Ask him.  

Biden is in charge.

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The problem isn't Afghanistan. I don't care what happens there or to the people living there. The problems occur when you start allowing those fockers into our country. Muslim ban should be number one priority right now and deport the ones here. 

[MDC 7,497]

4 minutes ago, Reality said:

Biden is in charge.

I was commenting on Trump’s comments today.  And the fact that he hasn’t been in office for years never stopped you from talking about Obungler.

 

[Reality 3,121]

17 minutes ago, MDC said:

I was commenting on Trump’s comments today.  And the fact that he hasn’t been in office for years never stopped you from talking about Obungler.

 

Biden is in charge.

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2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Biden is in charge.

But Obungler’s birthday party is relevant.

Geek logic.  

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5 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Complete and total failure. I feel terrible for the families who lost loved ones and the warfighters who suffered over there. Their sacrifice was for nothing.

 

Agree and I feel for the people over there that see what is coming their way.  I heard one talking head say now that they have shown themselves and are out of the caves we should do a 180 and go after them hard.   I doubt that would work because they are entrenched in the towns and cities.  Plus we would never do that even if it would work.  Tough loss all around. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,511]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

How's this working out?

 

Priorities. 

[fandandy 3,313]

14 minutes ago, Bill E. said:

Agree and I feel for the people over there that see what is coming their way.  I heard one talking head say now that they have shown themselves and are out of the caves we should do a 180 and go after them hard.   I doubt that would work because they are entrenched in the towns and cities.  Plus we would never do that even if it would work.  Tough loss all around. 

I hope this is a lesson for humanity to never trust or collude with the US government or military ever again.  

What was it that Bush said?

Quote

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,511]

Amazing such a brilliant, contemplative guy like Obama did the same thing as the dullard Bush. Things that make you go hmmm….

[fandandy 3,313]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Amazing such a brilliant, contemplative guy like Obama did the same thing as the dullard Bush. Things that make you go hmmm….

This is not Democrat versus Republican  This should be a contemplative moment for all Americans that our focking government, both sides of the aisle, sucks, and demand better.

[IGotWorms 4,059]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Amazing such a brilliant, contemplative guy like Obama did the same thing as the dullard Bush. Things that make you go hmmm….

Obama got saddled with Bush’s horrible decisions on Iraq and Afghanistan. Certainly wasn’t his choice to launch those wars.

Now could he have ended them in his 8 years? That’s a reasonable question. But it’s also obvious many would’ve attacked him for it even if they actually did want them ended. Just see this thread for example

[Hardcore troubadour 15,511]

8 minutes ago, fandandy said:

This is not Democrat versus Republican  This should be a contemplative moment for all Americans that our focking government, both sides of the aisle, sucks, and demand better.

You’re right. This is about the uniparty and how one part of it never gets called out for the same destructive BS as the other one. Maybe if he/they did we wouldn’t be in 20 year wars.  Obama did exactly the same thing Bush did and nothing was said. So why bother doing what’s right if you can get away with doing nothing? Why risk it? Gutless. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,511]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Obama got saddled with Bush’s horrible decisions on Iraq and Afghanistan. Certainly wasn’t his choice to launch those wars.

Now could he have ended them in his 8 years? That’s a reasonable question. But it’s also obvious many would’ve attacked him for it even if they actually did want them ended. Just see this thread for example

Well, if the proper pressure was applied from a real opposition party, that he belonged to, he would have had very little choice but to do the opposite of who he ran against, like he should have. But because he never got questioned the nonsense continued. That’s what happens when you genuflect to any of these cack suckers.  They all should get the Trump treatment. 

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Obama ran against the war monger McCain. One of his big selling points  was he voted against the Iraq war.  And he won.  So what. The war mongering kept on going. How the Fock is that possible? A compliant press is the first part, and identity politics is the other. 

[IGotWorms 4,059]

39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Obama ran against the war monger McCain. One of his big selling points  was he voted against the Iraq war.  And he won.  So what. The war mongering kept on going. How the Fock is that possible? A compliant press is the first part, and identity politics is the other. 

But it didn’t. Obama didn’t start those wars. There’s a very huge distinction there. Like I said, you can ask if he could’ve done more to end then, but that’s really a different question. And you’ll always have people that will use it against you even if they were supposedly in favor of ending them - basically surrendering and leaving isn’t a great look even when it’s not your fault we were there.

[Reality 3,121]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

But Obungler’s birthday party is relevant.

Geek logic.  

I gotta tell ya, that's one cool story, bro.

Biden is in charge, btw.

HTH

[Hardcore troubadour 15,511]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

But it didn’t. Obama didn’t start those wars. There’s a very huge distinction there. Like I said, you can ask if he could’ve done more to end then, but that’s really a different question. And you’ll always have people that will use it against you even if they were supposedly in favor of ending them - basically surrendering and leaving isn’t a great look even when it’s not your fault we were there.

First of all, he ws the commander in chief. The war/wars end when he says so. Second, he started his own wars. But yet you reflectively defend him or soft play your criticism of him. Why? He’s no better than Bush. It’s ok to say it. Obama kept wars going, started some more, and bailed out the banks. Yeah, big difference between him and MCain/Romney. There’s only one difference  really. But it gave people a good feeling. Imagine all of the death and destruction that could have been spared if he was just held to his own rhetoric. If he had just been treated like anyone else. Instead his pedestal grew and grew. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 hour ago, fandandy said:

This is not Democrat versus Republican  This should be a contemplative moment for all Americans that our focking government, both sides of the aisle, sucks, and demand better.

I loved how Trump was handling the border.  

creepy joe? He should be put down for treason.

[fandandy 3,313]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

I loved how Trump was handling the border.  

creepy joe? He should be put down for treason.

They won't allow Trump again.  There is no way.  The US military can just as easily be used against us and it is prolly going to happen sooner rather than later.

[MDC 7,497]

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday blasted President Joe Biden for not "following the plan" that the Republican administration crafted regarding a withdrawal from Afghanistan.

During his 2016 campaign and continuing at the White House, Trump said he would keepthe United States "out of endless and costly foreign wars," and this weekend, the former president took time to criticize what he perceives as Biden's foreign policy "weakness."

"He ran out of Afghanistan instead of following the plan our Administration left for him — a plan that protected our people and our property, and ensured the Taliban would never dream of taking our Embassy or providing a base for new attacks against America," he said in a statement. "The withdrawal would be guided by facts on the ground."

He added: "After I took out ISIS, I established a credible deterrent. That deterrent is now gone. The Taliban no longer has fear or respect for America, or America's power."

What a clown.  

 

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I am asking a legit question as I don't know.  Did the Biden Administration *change* the withdrawal plan in that region?  

[KSB2424 3,148]

7 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It was all a waste. More harm than good, a complete failure.  Anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming.  Should have went in, hunted down as much of the Taliban as possible and killed them on sight. Then left and let it be known we would be back if there was another peep out of them outside their own shithole. 

This is the correct answer.  

However that didn't happen, we tried to *Nation Build* which rarely works.  A huge mistake with all kinds of people left with egg on their face. Both side of the aisles. 

However, IIRC there was some sort of long term plan to withdraw that was happening over the past few years.  If the current administration varied away from the longer term, thought out withdraw, then yeah he and his team deserves criticism.  

But I'm with most everyone, horrible feeling to know all those people's sacrifices were mostly in vain.

[fandandy 3,313]

There is no nuance to any of this.

We are governed and protected by retards.

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[Strike 5,590]

 

[MDC 7,497]

26 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

This is the correct answer.  

However that didn't happen, we tried to *Nation Build* which rarely works.  A huge mistake with all kinds of people left with egg on their face. Both side of the aisles. 

However, IIRC there was some sort of long term plan to withdraw that was happening over the past few years.  If the current administration varied away from the longer term, thought out withdraw, then yeah he and his team deserves criticism.  

But I'm with most everyone, horrible feeling to know all those people's sacrifices were mostly in vain.

Trump also had top secret plans to eliminate the debt, pass an infrastructure bill and replace the ACA with “something wonderful.” 

 

[Voltaire 5,321]

8 hours ago, MDC said:

There will never be a time when withdrawal from Afghanistan won’t be a clusterfock. We either accept that and leave or stay forever. 

This^^ 

While I recognize that it makes for a great opportunity to bash Biden*, I'll pass, thanks. How long were we going to police that sh*thole and prop up their unpopular government? I don't see the point. I've been advocating for pulling out ever since Osama was eradicated. 

[fandandy 3,313]

I don't think this is on Biden but I don't think that's the point anymore.  This is twenty years of treasure and blood and for what?  We are being lied to.  What are these fockers really up to?

What was the point?

They are using Ju-Jutsu against us all.  They want us divided and off balance when the problem is not us, it's them.

[avoiding injuries 1,595]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

No chance. 

[Strike 5,590]

Biden overruled his top military advisers:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-afghanistan-exit-raises-questions-about-his-foreign-policy-record-11629035042