Afghanistan

[KSB2424 3,148]

15 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

Next few days?  JFC.

[Voltaire 5,317]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Next few days?  JFC.

He needs time to warm up first.

[TimHauck 2,911]

48 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

This is the correct answer.  

However that didn't happen, we tried to *Nation Build* which rarely works.  A huge mistake with all kinds of people left with egg on their face. Both side of the aisles. 

However, IIRC there was some sort of long term plan to withdraw that was happening over the past few years.  If the current administration varied away from the longer term, thought out withdraw, then yeah he and his team deserves criticism.  

But I'm with most everyone, horrible feeling to know all those people's sacrifices were mostly in vain.

Would it have made a difference though?  Other than maybe the Taliban having less new trucks, it seems like the day the US was gone was the day this was going to happen.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I love how we are so arrogant as a country as to blame ourselves for Afghanistan being a shitshow.

 

Place was a shitshow long before the Russians. It was a shitshow long after the Russians. It was a shitshow with us in there. Guess what it would have been if we hadn't gone in there? You guessed it, a shitshow. With us it was better than they ever f****** had it before. They saw what it could be and still went back to their shitshow, 7th century ways.

So f*** them. 

 

 

[fandandy 3,313]

Just now, wiffleball said:

I love how we are so arrogant as a country as to blame ourselves for Afghanistan being a shitshow.

 

Place was a shitshow long before the Russians. Ice was a shitshow long after the Russians. It was a shitshow with us in there. Guess what it would have been if we hadn't gone in there? You guessed it, a shitshow. With us it was better than they ever f****** had it before. They saw what it could be and still went back to their shitshow, 7th century ways.

So f*** them. 

 

 

A terrible place for my daughter to be right now though.

The situation sucks.  Those people live in misery since the 70's.  

 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,131]

1 minute ago, fandandy said:

A terrible place for my daughter to be right now though.

The situation sucks.  Those people live in misery since the 70's.  

Since the 70's?  Try like for the last 1000 years.

[Utilit99 4,099]

8 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

I love how we are so arrogant as a country as to blame ourselves for Afghanistan being a shitshow. 

 

Over $2 trillion spent by this country on that involvement with very little ROI. 

That's the "shltshow". Well, that and creepy joey not planning how to get out without massive issues. 

Liberals are so stupid.

[fandandy 3,313]

This is a fact, imo.  

China and Russia are going to fix this.

For way less money.

In ten years, Afghanistan will be fully integrated into that bloc.

America sucks.

Just watch this.

[wiffleball 4,790]

6 minutes ago, fandandy said:

A terrible place for my daughter to be right now though.

The situation sucks.  Those people live in misery since the 70's.  

 

 

I'm sorry she's there. Prayer for her safety and safe return. 

[fandandy 3,313]

2 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

I'm sorry she's there. Prayer for her safety and safe return. 

Yeah, prolly a post I would take back.

[wiffleball 4,790]

6 minutes ago, fandandy said:

This is a fact, imo.  

China and Russia are going to fix this.

For way less money.

In ten years, Afghanistan will be fully integrated into that bloc.

America sucks.

Just watch this.

Google Uyghurs. 

[fandandy 3,313]

1 minute ago, wiffleball said:

Google Uyghurs. 

Watch this play out.

Ten years, Afghanistan is a fully implemented Silk Road Nation.

 

[Bier Meister 1,715]

15 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

I'm sorry she's there. Prayer for her safety and safe return. 

Yes

[KSB2424 3,148]

1. They are NOT wearing masks.

2.  Check out the lack of diversity. 

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

8 hours ago, Strike said:

I've said since the day we invaded the place that we should get in, do our business, and GTFO.   Said the same thing about Iraq.  We don't need to be in the business of "nation building."  If you fock with us we will take you out and devastate your country.  Then we will leave and let you pick up the pieces.  That's how it should be.

That said, Biden focked up big time in the implementation of leaving.  He literally left Bagram airfield in the middle of the night without even doing the Afghan's the courtesy of telling them he was leaving:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-06/us-left-bagram-airfield-at-night-didnt-tell-new-commander/100272238

IMO this destroyed the morale of the fighter's we've been training for the last 20 years.  Maybe they would have folded just as easily had we not slipped away in the night, but it's easy to understand people questioning fighting for a cause when their biggest "ally" just bailed on them without even telling them. 

And as much as I think we should have just gotten in and out, I feel horrible for all the vulnerable people who are going to die due to the Biden administration's incompetence on this issue.  A lot of girls, women, and even Afghan's who worked with us have already been and are going to continue to be brutally raped and/or murdered.  That blood is on Biden's hands.  Not that he cares.  He's on vacation.

I would venture to guess there is a good reason he didn't tell the afghans. Probably knew anything they're told goes straight to the taliban.

The safety of US personnel comes first, second and third.

If the Afghan army can't cope after 20 years of training and having resources lavished on them, they never will. 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

38 minutes ago, fandandy said:

This is a fact, imo.  

China and Russia are going to fix this.

For way less money.

In ten years, Afghanistan will be fully integrated into that bloc.

America sucks.

Just watch this.

Good. Let em try. Succeed or fail is a win. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

The die has been cast and I hope everyone remembers.  Spinning it forward.

• Nation building in that region is impossible
• If they ever rear their head abroad you drop the focking hammer.  I mean the full brunt, not Hiroshima...but damn close. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

The die has been cast and I hope everyone remembers.  Spinning it forward.

• Nation building in that region is impossible
• If they ever rear their head abroad you drop the focking hammer.  I mean the full brunt, not Hiroshima...but damn close. 

ME should've been turned into glass 30 years ago. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

I'm watching ABC News right now. They are not known for being right wing in the least....

Even they are saying "Why did we not get all of the Embassy out before the troops?  Why did we not get all the military equipment out before all the troops?  Why did the troops leave before the accountants and staff and regular workers in the embassy?  Something went wrong"

 

[fandandy 3,313]

4 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

• Nation building in that region is impossible
•  

This is never the point.  

So, why did our overlords spend two-plus Trillion?

That's the question.  

[wiffleball 4,790]

 

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

ME should've been turned into glass 30 years ago. 

We should act like a big scrub brush and scour the middle east until it is completely cleaned out. Yes, innocent lives will die, but in the long run it will be better than anything for the future of this planet. 

Let's take out north korea as well while we are at it. Why does that government even exist?

[BeenHereBefore 1,537]

This looks bad for Biden but really would Trumps plan six months later been any better ? We needed to get our troops home and that country needs to defend for it's self. Kinda like the welfare system we have going on here.

[jerryskids 6,835]

1 hour ago, avoiding injuries said:

No chance. 

It'll be scripted with no follow-up questions, don't worry, they won't give him an inch of rope to hang himself with.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Just now, BeenHereBefore said:

This looks bad for Biden buy really would Trumps plan six months later been any better ? We needed to get our troops home and that country needs to defend for it's self. Kinda like the welfare system we have going on here.

I think most everyone has come to grips that the Taliban *eventually* taking over was going to happen once the U.S. and NATO presence left.  

The questions are:

Why were we (being America especially the US Embassy) not prepared?  If you are there for 20 years, there should not be mass exodus evacuations and panic.   I mean there are US contractors and interpreters still there in panic trying to leave.  That's the failure.  

[Voltaire 5,317]

16 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I'm watching ABC News right now. They are not known for being right wing in the least....

Even they are saying "Why did we not get all of the Embassy out before the troops?  Why did we not get all the military equipment out before all the troops?  Why did the troops leave before the accountants and staff and regular workers in the embassy?  Something went wrong"

 

I've been willing to give Biden* a free pass, mostly, and haven't much paid attention because I've cut back on news consumption and I couldn't care less about Afghanistan. Withdrawl is good, so props.  But I gotta say that ABC News raises a quality point: yes, absoultely do leave, but shouldn't it have dawned on somebody that the troops should be the last ones out? Right policy, poor implementation. Dems are great at lousy implementation, reminds me of the Obamacare exchange website fiasco the last time they were in charge.

[fandandy 3,313]

4 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

This looks bad for Biden but really would Trumps plan six months later been any better ? We needed to get our troops home and that country needs to defend for it's self. Kinda like the welfare system we have going on here.

This is my take.  What is the good way to pull off a bandaid that's been on a long time?

[fandandy 3,313]

This feels too orchestrated to me.  I don't trust the narrative at all.

[BeenHereBefore 1,537]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

I've been willing to give Biden* a free pass, mostly, and haven't much paid attention because I've cut back on news consumption and I couldn't care less about Afghanistan. Withdrawl is good, so props.  But I gotta say that ABC News raises a quality point: yes, absoultely do leave, but shouldn't it have dawned on somebody that the troops should be the last ones out? Right policy, poor implementation. Dems are great at lousy implementation, reminds me of the Obamacare exchange website fiasco the last time they were in charge.

Good points and right thing to do but handle badly.

[BeenHereBefore 1,537]

Just now, fandandy said:

This feels too orchestrated to me.  I don't trust the narrative at all.

Yes and like free thinkers.

[Cdub100 3,931]

It was 8:30pm and I should have been home hours ago. My newborn was barely a month old. Instead, I was in an office trying to figure out how to get tires to FOBs our supply convoys couldn't reach.

All of it for nothing.

[Voltaire 5,317]

Just now, fandandy said:

This feels too orchestrated to me.  I don't trust the narrative at all.

No? How so?

The corporate media loves endless deployments so, on this singular issue, there is a rift with Biden* who's ass is otherwise covered in press lipstick.

[Vince44 205]

I struggle to find a major crisis that a Republican didn't start that a Democrat had to clean up. 

[realtruelove 18]

Biden is on the phone right now calling Rambo.

[fandandy 3,313]

You know what might be the truth?  There have been negotiations between the US, Russia, Taliban, China, Afghanistan government.

Maybe something was agreed to about a timetable and this was a big FU by those parties in power now, China, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc to the decrepit US.

That I can see.

Doubt it though.  I think we knew.

 

[BeenHereBefore 1,537]

2 minutes ago, realtruelove said:

Biden is on the phone right now calling Rambo.

We are in trouble and Rambo is old as him.

[Voltaire 5,317]

9 minutes ago, Vince44 said:

I struggle to find a major crisis that a Republican didn't start that a Democrat had to clean up. 

Inner city crime comes to mind at the top of the list, but just about inner city anything. California homelessness. Illegal immigration. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

8 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Inner city crime comes to mind at the top of the list, but just about inner city anything. California homelessness. Illegal immigration. 

Play bad bad call on California homelessness. Reagan was the one who emptied all the asylums and put the f****** nutz on the street. We didn't have the word homeless back when I was a kid. That came with Reagan.

 

 

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

People seem to forget that the Chinese military had their nose bloodied by the Indian army in the Himalayas just last year. It was very quiet, but it happened.

The taliban would eat them alive.

Say what you will about our political leadership, but our military really did an amazing thing over there. That was one of the more difficult campaigns possible, and they pulled it off with aplomb.

China does not have anywhere near the same capability. And they know it. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

10 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Inner city crime comes to mind at the top of the list, but just about inner city anything. California homelessness. Illegal immigration. 

Volty:  you are replying to a guy who thinks the WWE is real. 

Save the keystrokes.