Gepetto 959 Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, nobody said: What are you talking about? What am I supposedly lying about? I asked a question stemming from your post. How can a question be a lie? Did you not write the above stating that Russia is trying to conduct a nuclear test but things are going wrong? If that's the case, and Russia can't even conduct a successful nuclear test, it would indicate that Russia's nuclear capabilities are crippled and if we are sure that Russia will fire nuclear weapons at the US once those problems are resolved, we should strike first while they are crippled. You mentioned game theory above. What's the game theory when one country is 100% going to nuke another, but they aren't currently capable? They have several other types of nuclear arsenal that are assumed to be in working order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gepetto said: They have several other types of nuclear arsenal that are assumed to be in working order. I thought the timeline was supposed to be that Russia needs to have a nuke test to show the world how serious they are. If they have plenty of working nukes, why wouldn't they just bury one of those and set off some seismograph? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 959 Posted November 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, nobody said: I thought the timeline was supposed to be that Russia needs to have a nuke test to show the world how serious they are. If they have plenty of working nukes, why wouldn't they just bury one of those and set off some seismograph? My understanding is they’re trying to test a new long range torpedo nuke. I read a former US nuclear scientist doesn’t believe it’s possible to put the type of nuclear reactor needed in that small of space though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Gepetto said: My understanding is they’re trying to test a new long range torpedo nuke. I read a former US nuclear scientist doesn’t believe it’s possible to put the type of nuclear reactor needed in that small of space though. Oh, okay. JustinCharge said they were going to test a nuke to scare everyone into surrender and if we don't it's nuke time and there's nothing we can do since we're a helpless giant. If they're just trying out a new weapon, that's much different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 Russia just bombed Poland "accidentally". Missiles struck Poland near its border with Ukraine, killing some in Poland. Russia denies the attack. NATO is waiting on Warsaw's comments before deciding on taking action. Hungary has convened its defense council. NATO could invoke article 4, which basically calls for a meeting whenever a NATO nation's integrity is threated, or Article 5 where an attack on one NATO ally is an attack on another. It doesn't sound like this alone will cause World War 3. But Russia is already on edge, and a strong non-war response by NATO could push Russia over the edge into nuking the US. Remember, this can spin out of control in a matter of hours. We could go from "its a mistake" to Russia nuking the US by tonight, and we will never know what happened. Stay safe. Take care of your loved ones. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1697080/russia-poland-missle-dead-NATO-state-Ukraine-war-pictures-world-war-3 Two dead after Russian missiles land in NATO state Poland on Ukraine border The Prime Minister of Poland has called an emergency meeting following the explosion. By CHARLES HARRISON 18:17, Tue, Nov 15, 2022 | UPDATED: 21:31, Tue, Nov 15, 2022 Two people have been killed in Poland after two stray Russian rockets landed near the border with Ukraine. The rockets landed in the NATO state following Russia's mass bombardment of Ukrainian cities earlier today, which saw over 100 rockets launched. According to the AP news agency, a senior US intelligence official said that the missiles were of Russian origin. Poland's Prime Minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, has convened the Committee of the Council of Ministers for National Security and Defense Affairs "as a matter of urgency", government spokesman Piotr Müller confirmed, with local news sites claiming this is likely the result of the explosions. A spokesperson for the Polish government said the readiness of their military units is being raised. Russia has denied not only the missiles hitting Poland, but any rocket strikes near the border at all - despite mass explosions hitting cities near the border just hours earlier. The rockets fell in the town of Przewodów, hitting grain dryers. The police, prosecutor's office and the army are reportedly already on the site. The attack could prompt Poland to trigger NATO's Article 5 provisions, calling on all of the treaty's members to attack Russia. According to Article 5, an attack against one NATO Ally is considered an attack against all Allies. They may also invoke Article 4, which calls for Allies to consult together when "in the opinion of any one of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened". Russian state media agency TASS reported that, according to a source in Brussels, NATO's response to the attack will depend on Warsaw's statements about the "ownership" of the missiles. However, Russia's Ministry of Defence were quick to deny the missile strike, instead claiming that the reports were a "deliberate provocation". They went on to claim the "no strikes were made against targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian weapons" - despite the multiple missile strikes hitting Lviv, a Ukrainian city about 62 miles south of Przewodów and only 50 miles from the Ukrainian border, just hours earlier today. "The most important people in the country" are attending Poland's emergency meeting, according to local news outlet Radio Zet. The station also reported that military planes were scrambled in response. Poland has consistently condemned the war and accepted millions of Ukrainian refugees during it. The former head of Poland's National Security Bureau said: "We have to wait for a detailed explanation of this situation. I assume that this is an incident, some mistake, resulting from the fact that Russia uses increasingly older types of missiles that are less precise". Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said the incident was a "very significant escalation and we must act". The price of oil has already reacted to the incident, climbing 2.3 percent to $87.82 according to the West Texas Intermediate benchmark. Latvia's Minister of Defence, Artis Pabriks, said: "My condolences to our Polish brothers in arms. Criminal Russian regime fired missiles which target not only Ukrainian civilians but also landed on NATO territory in Poland. Latvia fully stands with Polish friends and condemns this crime." The Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has also reportedly convened his defense council. The Estonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs have also declared their "full solidarity" with Poland, saying it is "convening closely with Poland and other Allies." The ministry added: "Estonia is ready to defend every inch of NATO territory." The UK Foreign Office told Express.co.uk it was urgently seeking clarity on the incident. The Czech Minister of Defence, Jana Cernochová, said she considered the fact that the strike came from Russia to be "confirmed", adding: "We will soon find out whether it was a mistake or an act of consent and provocation. All parties are now trying to quickly investigate this, including finding out exactly what type of missiles were involved." She added that she considers it an "escalation of the situation, even if it was a mistake". Ms Cernochová also said "even if it was a provocation or approval, we will all perceive it as an escalation of the conflict." Moldova, another neighbouring country of Ukraine, was also impacted by Russia's massive missile attack today, after it caused a major electricity outage. The country's foreign minister, Nicu Popescu, called on Russia to "stop the destruction now", highlighting that "every bomb falling on Ukraine is also affecting Moldova and our people". Russia's strikes on Ukraine today left much of Kyiv and other cities without electricity as civilian infrastructure was ravaged by the attacks, leaving seven million households without power. At least one person is confirmed to have died in Ukraine as a result of the strikes, although there may be more casualties. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,171 Posted November 15, 2022 I heard they also shot missiles at THE MOON. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said: I heard they also shot missiles at THE MOON. yah this is the nuclear war thread. its gonna get posted here regardless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: yah this is the nuclear war thread. its gonna get posted here regardless. You better go say bye to your friends and family for the 8th time this year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 we're REALLY drawing parallels with the Cuban Missile Crisis now. Both sides are confused. Russia is feeling the pressure. All it takes for WW3 to start is for someone to panic. We averted it in 1962. Might not be so lucky this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 Just now, JustinCharge said: All it takes for WW3 to start is for someone to panic. Like you are now? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, nobody said: You better go say bye to your friends and family for the 8th time this year. now you are just making fart noises. as i said in this thread, the world probably ends with nukes flying everywhere and people like you making fart noises in the forum. your parents must be so proud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,171 Posted November 15, 2022 Just now, JustinCharge said: we're REALLY drawing parallels with the Cuban Missile Crisis now. Both sides are confused. Russia is feeling the pressure. All it takes for WW3 to start is for someone to panic. We averted it in 1962. Might not be so lucky this time. Other than you trying to compare them, there are no parallels here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,171 Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, JustinCharge said: now you are just making fart noises. as i said in this thread, the world probably ends with nukes flying everywhere and people like you making fart noises in the forum. your parents must be so proud. Not much time left, Chicken Little. https://w2.countingdownto.com/4328562 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,832 Posted November 15, 2022 Pentagon says it cannot corroborate reports of Russian missiles crossing into Poland at this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: now you are just making fart noises. as i said in this thread, the world probably ends with nukes flying everywhere and people like you making fart noises in the forum. your parents must be so proud. As I haven't said in this thread, your night will end the same way it always does with you clutching your MREs and watching nuclear war click bait on YouTube. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Pentagon says it cannot corroborate reports of Russian missiles crossing into Poland at this time. i said that already. NATO is waiting for Warsaw to corroborate it. "NATO is waiting on Warsaw's comments before deciding on taking action." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,609 Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Pentagon says it cannot corroborate reports of Russian missiles crossing into Poland at this time. It's Poland. (Insert polack joke here) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 it looks like oil futures could be a barometer of things here. they spiked when news broke about the missiles hitting Poland, then dropped back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 Remember though guys. Russia will take down our internet before nuking us. The survivors will need to move to Ukraine if they want internet access. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,171 Posted November 15, 2022 Should we just go ahead and submit to Putin just to be on the safe side? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said: Should we just go ahead and submit to Putin not just to be on the safe side? the current game board has only 2 outcomes. the world submits to Putin or the world ends in nuclear war. there has never been any other options from the moment Russia invaded Ukraine. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,832 Posted November 15, 2022 What happens if they find out the explosions were from Ukraine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,171 Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: the current game board has only 2 outcomes. the world submits to Putin or the world ends in nuclear war. there has never been any other options from the moment Russia invaded Ukraine. I've got some time later today. Is there a list of submission stations I can go to and knock this out so I can get home and watch Clownzo fock up the next election for the Republitards and catch the Duke-Kansas game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: the current game board has only 2 outcomes. the world submits to Putin or the world ends in nuclear war. there has never been any other options from the moment Russia invaded Ukraine. Except your own postings indicate Russia can't even conduct a successful nuke test, so a 3rd outcome is the US nukes Russia first and they can't even respond. A 4th option is they squat on the Donbas region and claim victory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 15, 2022 Russia's winning play is to just nuke New York City, Washington DC, Los Angeles and demand Biden kneel or else Russia will nuke the world. They can't win a conventional war. I'm still surprised Russia hasn't done it already. I don't know what winning play NATO can take in response to Russian missiles hitting Poland. 1. if they attack Russia, its nuclear war and we all die. 2. if they do nothing, NATO looks weak and border NATO states start to realize they are not protected. 3. if they try hakf-measures, they still look weak and border NATO states start to realize they are not protected. If 2 or 3 happen, you might see civilians start to flee Poland. NATO is not a strength. Its a weakness. I've said that before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 5,761 Posted November 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: Russia's winning play is to just nuke New York City, Washington DC, Los Angeles and demand Biden kneel or else Russia will nuke the world. They can't win a conventional war. I'm still surprised Russia hasn't done it already. I don't know what winning play NATO can take in response to Russian missiles hitting Poland. 1. if they attack Russia, its nuclear war and we all die. 2. if they do nothing, NATO looks weak and border NATO states start to realize they are not protected. 3. if they try hakf-measures, they still look weak and border NATO states start to realize they are not protected. If 2 or 3 happen, you might see civilians start to flee Poland. NATO is not a strength. Its a weakness. I've said that before. Why would Russia attempt to nuke the US and ensure their own destruction? You really believe our response to being nuked would be to turn the world over to Putin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 1,832 Posted November 15, 2022 Just now, MDC said: Why would Russia attempt to nuke the US and ensure their own destruction? You really believe our response to being nuked would be to turn the world over to Putin? That's the part I never understood and I don't think anyone else here agrees with it. We're not bowing down to Russia, not going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 Dude. Breathe. Russia is denying responsibility. No one is going to war because Russian missiles can't hit the broadside of Ukraine. You lack imagination. All they have to do is say the origin of the missiles is inconclusive. Or NATO can acknowledge it was an unfortunate mistake and wag the fock out of there fingers at Putin. Or they can respond by saying if Russia can't control it's missiles, in order to defend NATO, we need higher caliber missile defense systems in and around Ukraine potentially manned by NATO forces. This is just me spitballing thinking about it for 30 seconds. What you're describing isn't how the game is played. You don't go from accident to nuclear strike. It's called measured and appropriate response. There's a thousand ways this can be played. Hyperventilating and going straight to nukes is, quite frankly, ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 991 Posted November 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, wiffleball said: It's Poland. (Insert polack joke here) We may never get back the recipe for ice if Poland is gone. Hurry, someone write it down in sharpie! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,735 Posted November 15, 2022 Can someone just kill Putin already? I’m sure that will help put an end to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, MDC said: Why would Russia attempt to nuke the US and ensure their own destruction? You really believe our response to being nuked would be to turn the world over to Putin? I wouldn't be surprised if half of their ICBMs don't even work. Their military rotted out due to corruption. I'm sure Putin must at least suspect this by now. In other words, if Russia tried to nuke the US, they likely don't have enough confidence in their own arsenal to fully incapacitate the US. What does that mean? Russia would risk wiping themselves off the planet but leaving the US limping but still standing? Get real. If anything Russia is advertising to the world they're a paper tiger. Why the fock would the US surrender to them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Can someone just kill Putin already? I’m sure that will help put an end to this That's probably not the best move. Medvedev might be legit crazy and there's a good chance he would gain power. Although that could all be a smoke screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,171 Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: What happens if they find out the explosions were from Ukraine? This is a great question. Zelensky sure is trying to capitalize on this. He needs to calm down and let the NATO process work out. I can't imagine Ukraine would lob a couple of missiles into Poland to trigger the NATO response, but who knows in this crazy mixed-up world. If Ukraine actually did this, I'd give Zelensky a good talking to, by gawd! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,332 Posted November 16, 2022 So glad the best and brightest are here to straighten Justin out. Again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,010 Posted November 16, 2022 Thank god you're hear to cry about it again. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taco breath 419 Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: Can someone just kill Putin already? I’m sure that will help put an end to this or justin or craftsman ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 518 Posted November 16, 2022 2 hours ago, TimHauck said: Can someone just kill Putin already? I’m sure that will help put an end to this It will not. There aren't a ton of pro-West Russians waiting in the wings. Most seem to want the war and are only annoyed because Putin hasnt gone all in. Russians are just different. A little bit crazy maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 1,735 Posted November 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Brad GLuckman said: It will not. There aren't a ton of pro-West Russians waiting in the wings. Most seem to want the war and are only annoyed because Putin hasnt gone all in. Russians are just different. A little bit crazy maybe. Do they actually want the war, or do they “seem to want the war” because they’re afraid of backlash? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,332 Posted November 16, 2022 Don’t be surprised that it didn’t happen. Even though it did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites