Roe V Wade overturned!!! Leaked, SCOTUS SHOULD BE IMPEACHED

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I dunno. I think this plays well for them. They were drowning without an issue and SCOTUS threw them a life preserver. The life preserver comes because their favorite turd obsession got flushed down the toilet in front of them, but it did come.

It’s out of the courts hands if this is true.  Now it will be about convincing people in the states. How can you keep everyone happy in the swing states with this? Most people are not going to be down with late term or after birth, but the extreme will be.  The ones that care about the issue anyway. 

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Blah blah blah

 

If 69% of Americans want Roe v Wade, can't Congress just enact a law which encapsulates it?  IIRC, Alito objected to adding sexual preference to the Civil Rights list; he thought Congress should add it, not an activist court.  

 

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Just now, jerryskids said:

If 69% of Americans want Roe v Wade, can't Congress just enact a law which encapsulates it?  IIRC, Alito objected to adding sexual preference to the Civil Rights list; he thought Congress should add it, not an activist court.  

 

You need 60 votes plus the presidency to legalize or ban it nationwide. And idiotic short-term thinking Dems aren't likely to see a Senate majority again for a loooong time, they'd best keep that fillibuster.

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Don't know if posted before, but:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/us/politics/biden-abortion-rights.html

When Joe Biden Voted to Let States Overturn Roe v. Wade

It was a new era in Washington in 1981, and abortion rights activists were terrified.

With an anti-abortion president, Ronald Reagan, in power and Republicans controlling the Senate for the first time in decades, social conservatives pushed for a constitutional amendment to allow individual states to overturn Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court ruling that had made abortion legal nationwide several years earlier.

The amendment — which the National Abortion Rights Action League called “the most devastating attack yet on abortion rights” — cleared a key hurdle in the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 1982. Support came not only from Republicans but from a 39-year-old, second-term Democrat: Joseph R. Biden Jr.

“I’m probably a victim, or a product, however you want to phrase it, of my background,” Mr. Biden, a Roman Catholic, said at the time. The decision, he said, was “the single most difficult vote I’ve cast as a U.S. senator.”

The bill never made it to the full Senate, and when it came back up the following year, Mr. Biden voted against it. His back-and-forth over abortion would become a hallmark of his political career.

As Mr. Biden prepares for the possibility of a third presidential run, women’s rights leaders and activists in both parties are recalling these shifts on abortion, which are likely to draw fresh scrutiny in a Democratic primary race where women are expected to make up a majority of voters.

Mr. Biden entered the Senate in 1973 as a 30-year-old practicing Catholic who soon concluded that the Supreme Court went “too far” on abortion rights in the Roe case. He told an interviewer the following year that a woman shouldn’t have the “sole right to say what should happen to her body.” By the time he left the vice president’s mansion in early 2017, he was a 74-year-old who argued a far different view: that government doesn’t have “a right to tell other people that women, they can’t control their body,” as he put it in 2012.

Abortion has long been a difficult issue for Catholic Democrats and leaders including former Gov. Mario Cuomo of New York, Senator Bob Casey of Pennsylvania and Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia. Many Catholic Democrats in government have cited their faith in explaining their personal opposition to abortion while taking stands to support abortion rights — and, in some cases, also holding positions in favor of some abortion restrictions. A Pew Research Center poll last fall showed Catholics divided on whether abortion should be legal.

But some of Mr. Biden’s more moderate-to-conservative stances in his legislative record are raising questions in the party about whether he could win over an ascendant liberal wing eager to impose purity tests around issues of race and gender in 2020.

Even before announcing a candidacy, Mr. Biden has started trying to rebut those concerns, telling party officials in Delaware this month that he has “the most progressive record” of anyone running for president.

But the issue of abortion poses particularly challenging terrain for Mr. Biden. Efforts to restrict access to abortion by the Trump administration, and the new conservative majority on the Supreme Court, have heightened concerns among many Democrats that federal protections of abortion rights could be chipped away or eventually overturned — and that the next president needs to be a dependable ally on abortion issues.

“Anxiety is super high among women across the country,” said Ilyse Hogue, president of the abortion rights organization Naral Pro-Choice America. “Joe Biden is trying to carve out a space for himself as the middle, moderate candidate, and he’s going to have to really get with the times and understand that standing with abortion rights is the middle, moderate position.”

She added, “I can’t tell you if he’s there or not.”

Mr. Biden is already facing criticism from some women’s rights activists over his aggressive questioning of Anita Hill during the Supreme Court confirmation hearings of Judge Clarence Thomas in 1991. Mr. Biden’s comment Tuesday that he wished he “could have done something” to give Ms. Hill’s claims of sexual harassment a more respectful hearing drew fierce backlash from critics, who pointed out that Mr. Biden was chairman of the Senate committee that questioned Ms. Hill. Some women’s rights leaders say Mr. Biden must offer a stronger and more personal apology to Ms. Hill, as well as clarify his views on a broad range of issues including sexual assault, harassment and Republicans’ efforts to limit abortion access. (Mr. Biden has spoken warmly about some Republicans and bipartisanship in recent months.)

Mr. Biden declined to be interviewed for this article. His spokesman, Bill Russo, said the former vice president is a supporter of the Roe decision who fought to protect abortion rights by mounting a fierce opposition to the nomination of a conservative judge, Robert H. Bork, to the Supreme Court in 1987.

“Because of that, Roe and its progeny have been preserved for 30 years. But for that effort, Roe v. Wade would not be the law of the land today,” Mr. Russo said.

Mr. Russo declined to detail Mr. Biden’s current views on specific policies he once supported, including banning all federal funding for abortion services and research.

What is clear from a review of Mr. Biden’s record in the Senate, his public statements as vice president and interviews about his comments in private meetings is that his position on abortion grew more liberal over his four decades in federal office.

“I’m prepared to accept that at the moment of conception there’s human life and being, but I’m not prepared to say that to other God-fearing, non-God-fearing people that have a different view,” he told the Catholic magazine America in 2015.

Mr. Biden has cast his evolution as a matter of wrestling with the teachings of his faith. But his shifting views also reflect a political calculation about the changing mores of his party in the 1980s and 1990s, when many moderate Democratic leaders, including Al Gore and Bill Clinton, altered their skeptical positions on abortion. Mr. Clinton, for one, sought to stake out a center-left position by saying abortion should be “safe, legal and rare.”

Today, every candidate in the 2020 field supports abortion rights, with a dozen boasting a perfect scorecard from Naral Pro-Choice America.

“The benevolent reinvention of Joe Biden is what’s unfolding,” said the Rev. Derrick Harkins, the former head of religious outreach for the Democratic National Committee, who was once criticized for what some party activists saw as conservative views on abortion. “His perspectives around a number of issues over the years were reflective of a different context and maybe even, if you will, a different time.”

In interviews during his first decades in the Senate, Mr. Biden said he supported the right to an abortion but opposed federal funding to pay for it. That position was shared by Mr. Gore and other Democrats who wanted to support abortion rights but were uncomfortable making taxpayers who were anti-abortion pay for it.

As Mr. Biden put it to U.P.I. in 1986, “If it’s not government’s business, then you have to accept the whole of that concept, which means you don’t proscribe your right to have an abortion and you don’t take your money to assist someone else to have an abortion.”

In the 1980s, he repeatedly voted against funding abortions as part of the health care plan provided to federal employees and in federal prisons, except in cases where it was medically necessarily for the mother.

In 1981, he crafted the Biden amendment to ban the use of foreign aid for biomedical research related to abortion. He repeatedly voted for the so-called Hyde amendment prohibiting the use of federal funds for abortion, including through Medicaid. Both policies remain in place today, despite efforts by Democrats to end the ban on the use of federal funds.

In 1984, Mr. Biden supported an amendment praising the Reagan administration’s “Mexico City policy,” which banned federal funding for organizations around the world that provide abortion counseling or referrals. In 2005, he voted against it, supporting an amendment that would have nullified President George W. Bush’s reinstatement of the policy.

A voter guide put out in 1987 by two abortion rights groups described Mr. Biden as having an “erratic” record on reproductive rights, writing that he had a “mixed voting and rhetorical record on the issue of whether women should have the right to choose an abortion.”

“Joe Biden moans a lot and then usually votes against us,” Jeannie Rosoff, a founder of the abortion rights research organization Guttmacher Institute, told The Wall Street Journal as Mr. Biden weighed whether to enter the 1988 presidential race. “It’s very difficult to know whether this issue is purely personal, purely political or a combination of both with him.”

At the time, opponents of abortion rights say they saw him much the same way as liberals: “Unreliable,” said Marilyn Musgrave, a former Republican congresswoman from Colorado and current vice president of government affairs for the Susan B. Anthony List, an anti-abortion group.

“I don’t believe he’s made a public statement recently about funding, so I don’t know where he really stands on that now,” said Ms. Musgrave. “Perhaps he evolved on that also.”

Aides to Mr. Biden declined to say whether he still supports those specific policies.

As the years went on, abortion rights advocates recall, Mr. Biden spoke passionately in meetings about how his religious beliefs shaped his views on abortion. And they, with equal emotion, worked to reframe the issue as a matter of trusting women and their doctors to manage their health care.

“Biden’s struggle was genuine and heartfelt,” said Kristina Kiehl, an abortion rights activist who met with Mr. Biden during the 1980s and 1990s. “And I think we were very helpful in kind of guiding him into how this is O.K. and it’s the right thing to do.”

As chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1987, Mr. Biden drew praise from supporters of abortion rights for sharply questioning Judge Bork about his opposition to a ruling that struck down birth control bans. In Congress, Mr. Biden repeatedly voted to give access to abortion services for members of the military, and in 1994 he voted to establish fines and penalties for barring access to abortion clinics. In interviews and congressional votes, he defended the Roe ruling.

But at other times, he sided with Republicans and conservative Democrats who were trying to limit abortion access.

When Republicans began introducing legislation in the 1990s that would outlaw a rare abortion procedure they termed “partial-birth abortion,” Mr. Biden emerged as a reliable ally. He voted for the ban, and then against efforts by President Clinton to veto the legislation in 1996 and 1998.

Those proposals did not prohibit a wide enough range of procedures, he argued in a speech on the Senate floor in 1997.

“It did not, as I would have liked, ban all post-viability abortions,” he said, backing a proposal by Senator Tom Daschle, the Democratic majority leader, that would include an exception if the mother’s health was at risk. “I was and still am concerned that in banning on partial-birth abortions, we do not go far enough.”

In 2003, he backed a third ban that included no exception for the health of the mother, sponsored by Senator Rick Santorum, Republican of Pennsylvania. That law moved through the courts for several years before being upheld by the Supreme Court in April 2007.

By that point in his career, Mr. Biden was running for president for a second time against Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, both of whom had voted against bans of the procedure. Mr. Biden cast himself as a strong supporter of abortion rights and criticized the court’s ruling as “paternalistic,” worrying that it could be a step toward overturning Roe.

“I was 29 years old when I came to the U.S. Senate, and I have learned a lot,” he said in a 2007 interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “Look, I’m a practicing Catholic, and it is the biggest dilemma for me in terms of comporting my religious and cultural views with my political responsibility.”

When Mr. Obama picked him as vice president more than a year later, some abortion rights advocates worried about Mr. Biden’s record. But they felt confident that Mr. Obama’s more liberal views on the issue would prevail, recalled Kate Michelman, a former leader of Naral.

“Joe Biden continued his evolution on the issue under Obama. He got there,” she said. “I can’t say for absolute, 100 percent, but I would trust him as president to protect and defend women’s right to choose.”

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I honestly don't really have a strong opinion on this issue.

I guess I could be OK with being more strict on abortions, and if so hopefully there would be more focus put on adoption, and if the mother doesn't want to keep the baby there needs to be assurance that the child will be adopted.  How does it work currently?   Does the mother get any compensation besides having medical bills paid for?   I know adoption isn't cheap for the adopting families (and maybe there being less abortions would decrease that cost), but wasn't sure if the mother gets anything.   I know you don't want it to be like a bribe but if you want people to have the baby having more incentive to do so would help.   

But there should still be exceptions for rape or incest, and also for women where being pregnant would impact their income (professional athletes, coaches, trainers, strippers, etc.).  It's easy for guys to say abortion is murder when they don't have to be pregnant themselves.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

Biden- “I’m a practicing Catholic “. Uh, no you’re not. 

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14 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

That's personally my take. I'm not sure how widespread it is. Abortion isn't my issue and I'm more upset about what this means for Dem motivation in November than for the dead babies.   Oh well, watching screaming, crying leftoids have their favorite toy broken is always fun I suppose. If this is the first step on the road back to federalism, I'll be thrilled and I do feel relief seeing the new and improved SCOTUS take action that pisses off the left. I'll feel better if/when Affirmative Action gets sh*tcanned.

I expect it’s going to impact a lot of Governor races too. The GOP seems to have dropped the working class champion bull and gone full Christianist weirdo since Trump lost. 

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

I expect it’s going to impact a lot of Governor races too. The GOP seems to have dropped the working class champion bull and gone full Christianist weirdo since Trump lost. 

They've been Christianist weirdo on abortion all our lives. The working class stuff is new with Trump. It use to be the Bush/Romney/Ryan types couldn't care less and the Dems pretended. Trump made a lot of inroads in that even if you didn't see it, the working class people do. The regular people took over the GOP  and the corporate uniparty insiders moved to the Dems.

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14 minutes ago, MDC said:

I expect it’s going to impact a lot of Governor races too. The GOP seems to have dropped the working class champion bull and gone full Christianist weirdo since Trump lost. 

JD Vance won the Republican primary in Ohio last night. MDC just saying stuff again. 

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9 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

They've been Christianist weirdo on abortion all our lives. The working class stuff is new with Trump. It use to be the Bush/Romney/Ryan types couldn't care less and the Dems pretended. Trump made a lot of inroads in that even if you didn't see it, the working class people do. The regular people took over the GOP  and the corporate uniparty insiders moved to the Dems.

Trump’s entire admin was full of the same industry lobbyists and Beltway insiders as any other boilerplate Republican. I give him credit for the create marketing pitch though. Even libertarian trust fund baby Tucker went populist for a few years.  

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Trump’s entire admin was full of the same industry lobbyists and Beltway insiders as any other boilerplate Republican. I give him credit for the create marketing pitch though. Even libertarian trust fund baby Tucker went populist for a few years.  

There were too many of them to be sure, especially the first year. Along the way he renegotiated trade issues on behalf of workers the world over and put in full force to onshore jobs. You just ignore/didn't notice/ bought the MSM lies about him. With USMCA, Mexican autoworkers were given a raise to $16/hour thanks to  President Trump which in turn made US autoworkers that much more competitive and new auto lines were started in the US because of his efforts.

[Voltaire 5,317]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

JD Vance won the Republican primary in Ohio last night. MDC just saying stuff again. 

It's great. You get more Senators like Vance replacing Bushtarded insider holdovers and you can get things done.

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37 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If 69% of Americans want Roe v Wade, can't Congress just enact a law which encapsulates it?  IIRC, Alito objected to adding sexual preference to the Civil Rights list; he thought Congress should add it, not an activist court.  

 

Congress could pass a law that supersedes the Supreme Court ruling by codifying it into law. The Supreme Court can always declare it unconstitutional in the end. 

 

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13 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I said "lay seige to the Supreme Court." I have no issues with protests. 

I won't get into semantics. All that ever does is fabricate nuance to allow groups like BLM and antifa to be criminals without repercussion while those not of the right color or thought system are criminalized for the same behaviors. 

Nope.  Behaviors matter.

[Utilit99 4,099]

Gee, I wonder what side was attacking the police over this?

LA abortion protest turns violent: Protesters lob 'rocks and bottles' at cops, smash cruiser's window

At least one officer is injured.

Violence broke out in Los Angeles Tuesday night as abortion rights protesters lobbed "rocks and bottles" at Los Angeles police officers and appeared to smash a Department of Homeland Security cruiser’s window, sparking a citywide tactical alert. 

Video out of Los Angeles shows the protestors tagging a Federal Protective Services car with graffiti and showing a window on one the cruiser’s cars shattered. FPS is the police division of the Department of Homeland Security. 

 

Thousands have taken to streets across the country in response to the leaked draft decision, including in New York City at Foley Square and outside the Supreme Court in Washington, D.C. 

"We refuse to let the U.S. Supreme Court deny women’s humanity and decimate their rights," protests signs in New York City read. 

Chief Justice John Roberts condemned the leak on Tuesday, directing the Marshal of the Court to investigate the matter. 

"To the extent this betrayal of the confidences of the Court was intended to undermine the integrity of our operations, it will not succeed. The work of the Court will not be affected in any way," Roberts said.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/los-angeles-protest-abortion-violent-police

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23 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

There were too many of them to be sure, especially the first year. Along the way he renegotiated trade issues on behalf of workers the world over and put in full force to onshore jobs. You just ignore/didn't notice/ bought the MSM lies about him. With USMCA, Mexican autoworkers were given a raise to $16/hour thanks to  President Trump which in turn made US autoworkers that much more competitive and new auto lines were started in the US because of his efforts.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, auto manufacturing in Michigan didn’t change at all over Trump’s term, no matter how much he bragged about it.  

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

People here think the government doesn’t have catch all laws to convict someone. Lol. So wet behind the ears. 

For a former cop, you don’t seem to know much about criminal law. You can’t just find a law after the fact and claim it applies. That’s a serious due process problem. Void for vagueness, rule of lenity, etc., there are numerous doctrines that get implicated.

Maybe it is a criminal act but if so it’d have to be due to an actual law that existed and clearly applied before the deed was done.

Now I don’t mean to suggest that there will not or should not be any consequences. Probably the bar association of whatever jurisdiction the person is or tries to get admitted to would have something to say. Obviously they’d be fired and black listed from similar employment and so on.

[MDC 7,478]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

For a former cop

Stop it  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Stop it  

 

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2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Blah blah blah

 

Fake b!tch, god I hate Dems 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

For a former cop, you don’t seem to know much about criminal law. You can’t just find a law after the fact and claim it applies. That’s a serious due process problem. Void for vagueness, rule of lenity, etc., there are numerous doctrines that get implicated.

Maybe it is a criminal act but if so it’d have to be due to an actual law that existed and clearly applied before the deed was done.

Lol.  For a lawyer you sure don’t seem to know how it works. Ask General Mike Flynn and Roger Stone. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

The Emoluments clause! The Hatch act!  Lol. I guess no one ever heard of obstruction of governmental administration.  Or contempt of court. This is some funny shite. 

[Baker Boy 1,703]

Dem leaders and MSM inciting violence using misinformation.

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

You need 60 votes plus the presidency to legalize or ban it nationwide. And idiotic short-term thinking Dems aren't likely to see a Senate majority again for a loooong time, they'd best keep that fillibuster.

But, very possibly, they'll use this to push to repeal the filibuster.  It'll be interesting to see Sinema's reaction/opinion if that happens.  Manchin is basically a DINO, he'll probably go with the Reps.  Although he could use this to throw a bit of an olive branch to his current party.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

The filibuster isn’t going anywhere. Now what? 

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15 hours ago, Horseman said:

Happened on Biden's watch.  

That means nothing lol..

[IGotWorms 4,058]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

But, very possibly, they'll use this to push to repeal the filibuster.  It'll be interesting to see Sinema's reaction/opinion if that happens.  Manchin is basically a DINO, he'll probably go with the Reps.  Although he could use this to throw a bit of an olive branch to his current party.   

I think you might need a constitutional amendment. At least to get the functional equivalent of Roe. And obviously that ain’t never happening

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19 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

For a former cop,

 

Just cause he dressed up like Lt. Dangle for Halloween once doesn't mean he is a cop. 

[Voltaire 5,317]

35 minutes ago, MDC said:

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, auto manufacturing in Michigan didn’t change at all over Trump’s term, no matter how much he bragged about it.  

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/gm-invest-2-2b-first-all-electric-vehicle-plant-create-n1124086

Detroit prepares for largest new automotive plant in 2 decades | Automotive News (archive.ph)

Stellantis Celebrates Launch of First New Assembly Plant in Detroit in 30 Years! - MoparInsiders - construction complete in 2021, but note the plan was initiated two years earlier.

You've no idea what the string of news had been, always closures, closures, more closures with our corporate globalist uniparty presidents, never openings until President Trump.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,491]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Just cause he dressed up like Lt. Dangle for Halloween once doesn't mean he is a cop. 

I was a humble Patrolman. Right till the end. But I know what a ham sandwich means as it pertains to indictments, never mind just charging someone. Worms’ professor must not have mentioned it. I am also familiar with the phrase “the process is the punishment” and what it means. The feds will charge you with something, if they want to. Book it Dano. Remember, lying to the local cops is allowed.  Lying to the feds is a crime. Lawyer boy must do real estate or something non criminal if he thinks criminal and administrative laws and the enforcement of them are black and white. Even a guy who rode a black (actually blue) and white for twenty years knows that’s not true. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was a humble Patrolman. Right till the end. But I know what a ham sandwich means as it pertains to indictments, never mind just charging someone. Worms’ professor must not have mentioned it. I am also familiar with the phrase “the process is the punishment” and what it means. The feds will charge you with something, if they want to. Book it Dano. Remember, lying to the local cops is allowed.  Lying to the feds is a crime. Lawyer boy must do real estate or something non criminal if he thinks criminal and administrative laws and the enforcement of them are black and white. Even a guy who rode a black (actually blue) and white for twenty years knows that’s not true. 

they think cops are the ones that determine what charges to pursue

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3 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Bill Barr suggested to Megyn Kelly that Obsturction of Justice is what he would go after.

Bill Barr Names The Specific Crime That May Have Been Committed In Leak Of Supreme Court Draft | The Daily Wire

Perhaps, but considering Barr's previous job performance and bias, I'd  take that with a big ol' grain of salt.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

2 hours ago, paulinstl said:

In his original statement in Roe v Wade, Justice Blackmun said this:

 

It's a very complicated ruling and goes to individual rights way more than being about State's rights. The original case was about Texas' abortion laws infringing on an Indvidual's rights.

 

I will never debate the meaning of "life" with anybody, it's seems like such a subjective issue, or my opinion on abortion, but at its basic level Roe v Wade is and has always been about personal rights not being restricted by government. Seems like a concept that everybody feels strongly about.

I find Alito's logic to be completely flawed  that the constitution doesn't give a woman a right to abortion, so thus it cannot be.  The constitution didn't give woman any rights when it was written and IMO, this argument is the single biggest strike against contextual originalism.  

Citing Hale(nope, never heard of him before yesterday) doesn't help his case either.

SAMUEL ALITO’S ANTIABORTION INSPIRATION: A 17TH-CENTURY JURIST WHO SUPPORTED MARITAL RAPE AND HAD WOMEN EXECUTED

 

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14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was a humble Patrolman. Right till the end. But I know what a ham sandwich means as it pertains to indictments, never mind just charging someone. Worms’ professor must not have mentioned it. I am also familiar with the phrase “the process is the punishment” and what it means. The feds will charge you with something, if they want to. Book it Dano. Remember, lying to the local cops is allowed.  Lying to the feds is a crime. Lawyer boy must do real estate or something non criminal if he thinks criminal and administrative laws and the enforcement of them are black and white. Even a guy who rode a black (actually blue) and white for twenty years knows that’s not true. 

You were not a cop, or patrolman, or whatever you want to call yourself. 

Stop lying. 

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1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

You were not a cop, or patrolman, or whatever you want to call yourself. 

Stop lying. 

 He has way too much insight to not be an expert, I'm pretty darn sure he's not been BSing us on this. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

 He has way too much insight to not be an expert, I'm pretty darn sure he's not been BSing us on this. 

Yeah well. He has spent many a post declaring that I know nothing about every aspect of teaching despite it being my profession.

He can eat some crow. 

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8 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I find Alito's logic to be completely flawed  that the constitution doesn't give a woman a right to abortion, so thus it cannot be.  The constitution didn't give woman any rights when it was written and IMO, this argument is the single biggest strike against contextual originalism.  

Citing Hale(nope, never heard of him before yesterday) doesn't help his case either.

SAMUEL ALITO’S ANTIABORTION INSPIRATION: A 17TH-CENTURY JURIST WHO SUPPORTED MARITAL RAPE AND HAD WOMEN EXECUTED

 

well Honcho doesn't agree, so its settled, legal scholar that you are

 

[Cloaca du jour 2,150]

I remember in college..used to answer the dorm phone

Bobs abortions...you f ck em and we pluck em, you rape em we scrape em, no fetus can beat us.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 He has way too much insight to not be an expert, I'm pretty darn sure he's not been BSing us on this. 

mooney got his feelers hurt so he's just lashing out.

[Voltaire 5,317]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yeah well. He has spent many a post declaring that I know nothing about every aspect of teaching despite it being my profession.

He can eat some crow. 

Fair enough, good point. What's good for the goose...