Insurrection Hearings

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I am fine with calling it an insurrection.  Why don't they call anything else an insurrection?  

Was the storming of the Wisconsin Capitol an insurrection? Seems so by definition.    Why didn't anyone call it that?  Libs make the rules on what is and isn't?

That is a very fair point.  I agree with you.  My guess is that it's the same reason conservatives don't want it called an insurrection, it sounds bad.

[Gladiators 1,987]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Here is the biggest reason I ever comment on this topic, I get tired of it being downplayed by one side and made into something bigger by the other.  Why can't we just be truthful with what it really was?  Get over the political biases.

Do you call Wiff out on making it into something bigger?  I haven't noticed, but perhaps you have and I just missed it.

[Voltaire 5,316]

People were pissed off about the dubious way the election was carried out, so they hada rally and and a protest that got carried away. They were in the capitol building for a couple of hours, some doors were broken, some scuffles with police, the only person who got shot was a small unarmed female protestor by the security. Then they all left.

The significance of this is hyped up exponentially by people who don't like / want to silence the protestors.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, Gladiators said:

Do you call Wiff out on making it into something bigger?  I haven't noticed, but perhaps you have and I just missed it.

I haven't really read everything he posted.  I disagree with him comparing us to sh1thole countries because of it.  That's an exaggeration.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,431]

The democrats are doing another sequel to TRUUUUMP! Trump part 12 : The insurrection. Thursday night, check local listings. Rated L for losers.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Here is the biggest reason I ever comment on this topic, I get tired of it being downplayed by one side and made into something bigger by the other.  Why can't we just be truthful with what it really was?  Get over the political biases.

Today truth seems to take a back seat to political agendas, from both extreme reaches of the broader political spectrum.  I appreciate voices from the middle trying to be heard over the cacaphonous noise meant to drown out measured discourse.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

People were pissed off about the dubious way the election was carried out, so they hada rally and and a protest that got carried away. They were in the capitol building for a couple of hours, some doors were broken, some scuffles with police, the only person who got shot was a small unarmed female protestor by the security. Then they all left.

The significance of this is hyped up exponentially by people who don't like / want to silence the protestors.

It was over $2 million worth of damage.  There were 75 people charged with entering the building with a deadly weapon, who knows what they consider to be a deadly weapon though.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That is a very fair point.  I agree with you.  My guess is that it's the same reason conservatives don't want it called an insurrection, it sounds bad.

But no one called that an insurrection left or right.  Lets start calling anything that fits the definition you gave, an insurrection.   How about this stuff? 

directly before: In March 1971, for instance, members of the extremist group Weather Underground set off a bomb in a bathroom on the Senate side of the Capitol, harming no one, reports Brockwell for the Post.

But the most serious terrorist attack took place a decade later, when a group of women split from the group to form the May 19th (M19) Communist Organization. Just before 11 p.m. on November 7, 1983, a member called the Capitol switchboard to announce that a bomb was about to explode.

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Minutes later, M19 detonated a bomb in the Capitol’s north wing, blowing a hole through a wall and knocking the Senate majority leader’s office door off its hinges. Luckily, the area was already deserted and nobody was harmed, but the attack resulted in $250,000 worth of damage and shredded a portrait of Daniel Webster, per the U.S. Senate.

Members of M19—named for civil rights icon Malcolm X and Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh—coordinated the attack to protest U.S. military involvement in Grenada and Lebanon. Broadly, the group argued that violence was a necessary ingredient in the fight for “revolutionary anti-imperialism,” and its members would go on to bomb other high-profile buildings such as an FBI office. Some of the women involved were later arrested and charged with lengthy sentences, Brockwell writes for the Post.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

By definition there was an insurrection during the kavanugh trial 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

By definition there was an insurrection during the kavanugh trial 

I presume you mean his confirmation hearing which was not a trial.  Would you care to expand on your statement, to give your reasoning.  As our teachers use to say back in the day "show your work".

[TimmySmith 2,782]

35 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I am fine with calling it an insurrection.  Why don't they call anything else an insurrection?  

Was the storming of the Wisconsin Capitol an insurrection? Seems so by definition.    Why didn't anyone call it that?  Libs make the rules on what is and isn't?

Every riot can be called an insurrection.  It seems a powerful word, but really just means taking action against the government. No violence needed. Not paying taxes is an insurrection.

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[Voltaire 5,316]

38 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It was over $2 million worth of damage.  There were 75 people charged with entering the building with a deadly weapon, who knows what they consider to be a deadly weapon though.

It’s nothing. There are hundreds of priceless pieces of art in there. Just about every single piece of art in there is worth $10s of thousands or more. Imagine the damage  if it were America-hating left wing protesters in there, rather than ordinary Americans.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

16 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I presume you mean his confirmation hearing which was not a trial.  Would you care to expand on your statement, to give your reasoning.  As our teachers use to say back in the day "show your work".

The rioters stormed the building and were attempting to break into the chambers during his confirmation in an attempt to prevent a government process from completing 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

15 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Every riot can be called an insurrection.  It seems a powerful word, but really just means taking action against the government. No violence needed. Not paying taxes is an insurrection.

Kind of but it seems you got the point I was making more than others.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

The rioters stormed the building and were attempting to break into the chambers during his confirmation in an attempt to prevent a government process from completing 

I did not know that.  I'll  have to look for confirmation.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

10 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Kind of but it seems you got the point I was making more than others.

I understood your point.  The word sounds bad, mainly because people don't know the definition, including the press.  They are inflaming the meaning and right wingers are battling against it. I'd say the word fits pretty good.  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

The rioters stormed the building and were attempting to break into the chambers during his confirmation in an attempt to prevent a government process from completing 

I did not know that.  I'll  have to look for confirmation.

 

So, to your point I found this:

Chaotic start to Brett Kavanaugh supreme court hearing as protests break out - Bing video

[Voltaire 5,316]

1 minute ago, TimmySmith said:

I understood your point.  The word sounds bad, mainly because people don't know the definition, including the press.  They are inflaming the meaning and right wingers are battling against it. I'd say the word fits pretty good.  

It also meets the definition of nothingburger, so I call it the Nothingburger Hearings. It’s all semantics.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

I did not know that.  I'll  have to look for confirmation.

 

So, to your point I found this:

Chaotic start to Brett Kavanaugh supreme court hearing as protests break out - Bing video

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351

yep by this thread its an insurrection, nobody cared it was a protest with some bad actors, exactly the same as 1-6

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351

yep by this thread its an insurrection, nobody cared it was a protest with some bad actors, exactly the same as 1-6

My memory of the Kavanaugh matter seems to have been centered on the testimony and the questioning.  I had not registered these events in my memory yet here they are.  Again, a paroxism of passion in my estimation.  Not, perhaps entirely analogous, but close enough that it illustrates my point, insurrections are made of sterner stuff.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

It also meets the definition of nothingburger, so I call it the Nothingburger Hearings. It’s all semantics.

There are appropriate charges. Trespassing, destruction of property, etc.  People should be held accountable.  Ticketed, fined and sent on their way.  But now there is such a big deal out of it, they will most likely walk with nothing. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

Summer of 2020. Clearly organized by blm and antifa, and supported by liberal political leaders. Including mayors refusing help from the federal government, maxipad waters and others coming out and saying they should keep it going, the future VP of the US starting up a gofundme to bail out insurrectionists and get them back on the streets asap, the burning down of police stations, the destruction of American capitalist's businesses, the attack on the law enforcement community, the throwing of molotov cocktails at police and innocent US citizens, and in the end causing $2B in insurance claims across multiple cities and states. There were designated organized  trucks going from city to city to supply the insurrectionists with signs, weapons, tools of destruction, etc. And many innocent American's losing their lives and or their family members. 

That was a planned out organized insurrection. Not a few protesters armed with cell phones getting rowdy and ultimately leaving the scene when they were told to.

I really don't get why this is so overlooked in this country. Other than, the liberals being selfish power hungry pieces of crap who would do anything for power. And a shltload of brain dead idiot followers.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

12 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

My memory of the Kavanaugh matter seems to have been centered on the testimony and the questioning.  I had not registered these events in my memory yet here they are.  Again, a paroxism of passion in my estimation.  Not, perhaps entirely analogous, but close enough that it illustrates my point, insurrections are made of sterner stuff.

I call them all a riot, nothing more.  damage was done, arrests were made, both had people escorted into the capitol, bunch of morons

 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

19 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Not a few protesters armed with cell phones getting rowdy and ultimately leaving the scene when they were told to.

This is why it's hard to have any kind of serious discussion with you.  You can't seem to leave out the BS like this.

[jerryskids 6,797]

11 hours ago, Voltaire said:

 

Thanks for posting this.  I hear ads for him on Shapiro's show but never paid attention.  He's got a wry humor which I enjoy, I'll check out more of his work.   

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Here is the biggest reason I ever comment on this topic, I get tired of it being downplayed by one side and made into something bigger by the other.  Why can't we just be truthful with what it really was?  Get over the political biases.

I was going to start with something like Utilit said so I'll just paste it:

8 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Summer of 2020. Clearly organized by blm and antifa, and supported by liberal political leaders. Including mayors refusing help from the federal government, maxipad waters and others coming out and saying they should keep it going, the future VP of the US starting up a gofundme to bail out insurrectionists and get them back on the streets asap, the burning down of police stations, the destruction of American capitalist's businesses, the attack on the law enforcement community, the throwing of molotov cocktails at police and innocent US citizens, and in the end causing $2B in insurance claims across multiple cities and states. There were designated organized  trucks going from city to city to supply the insurrectionists with signs, weapons, tools of destruction, etc. And many innocent American's losing their lives and or their family members. 

That was a planned out organized insurrection. Not a few protesters armed with cell phones getting rowdy and ultimately leaving the scene when they were told to.

I really don't get why this is so overlooked in this country. Other than, the liberals being selfish power hungry pieces of crap who would do anything for power. 

 

Hawkeye:  My big issue always comes down to MSM bias.  I think that is one of the most dangerous things in this country right now; the left controls the media and the messaging.  Yes there are other news sources which astute people can find, but the majority of the US isn't that astute or interested, they just go by what they hear on the news or read on a feed.  

For months in 2020 we had the riots described above.  They took over a portion of a U.S. city for months.  Did you ever hear that referred to as an "insurrection"?  That was an actual attempt, and a successful one at that, of taking over a government.  The answer is, of course not.  The actions of those insurrectionists fit the bias of the MSM.  Instead we heard "mostly peaceful."  Did you hear that about 1/6?  Didn't think so.

If you want to say it fits the dictionary definition of "insurrection" then fine.  But you seem to act like it was an equalizer for everything that happened in 2020, which it was 1/1000000th as bad.  And I don't buy your "I looked at the pictures" crap because if you objectively looked at all of the events, you would see.  Instead IMO you come off as having taken the blue pill like the majority of America.

Speaking of blue pills, let's talk @wiffleball.  How many blue pills do you need to mainline, how deep into the matrix do you need to be, to get apoplectic about a fake guillotine at a protest?  Hell, even a real working one.  They were going to take off Pence's head.  Really?  Really?  How hard to you have to punch yourself in the face to believe that this could happen?  I sure hope he was drunk every time he posted about it.   

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If you want to say it fits the dictionary definition of "insurrection" then fine.  But you seem to act like it was an equalizer for everything that happened in 2020, which it was 1/1000000th as bad.  And I don't buy your "I looked at the pictures" crap because if you objectively looked at all of the events, you would see.  Instead IMO you come off as having taken the blue pill like the majority of America.

I've never defended any of those riots or CHAZ and I agree with other's opinions on it as well.  Saying it was mostly peaceful was a load of crap.  I also agree with you about our media.  I have not taken any sort of blue pill.  Maybe it just seems that way because I'm one of the few that speaks up when I disagree with the majority here.  The times I agree get ignored because it just goes with the flow of this forum.

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[jonmx 2,429]

I can't wait for these assclowns to be in the minority.  

[jonmx 2,429]

Narrative:  A huge well-coordinated heavily armed mob stormed the Capitol breaking thru barricades in a deadly attempt to over throw the government.

Reality

Well-coordinated = a paid informant with a blow-horn

Heavily-armed = flag pole and a thing of bear spray.

Stormed = police opening doors and allowing them to go thru check points where they were scanned.  

Barricades = a few of 3' high bike racks.  

Deadly = police beating and shooting unarmed women. 

Overthrow the government = stole a coat rack 

[Utilit99 4,099]

18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

This is why it's hard to have any kind of serious discussion with you.  You can't seem to leave out the BS like this.

It's not bs. aoc saying she has ptsd and needing therapy to get over is bs.

One was well organized and massively destructive, and supported by liberal government leaders, the other were some people who got stupid for a little while and was supported by nobody.

You keep saying you are so middle of the road, but you won't even allow yourself to address the truth of the situation. That's being partisan.

[Reality 3,121]

Hopefully the FBI involvement is exposed as well. Ya know, if they truly want to get to the bottom of all of this.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

18 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

You keep saying you are so middle of the road, but you won't even allow yourself to address the truth of the situation.

How am I not seeing the truth of the situation?  It could easily be said to you as well.  It was a lot more than just a bunch of people with cell phones.  That's down playing it.

As for AOC, she's a moron.  Know arguments from me there.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 hours ago, Voltaire said:

People were pissed off about the dubious way the election was carried out, so they hada rally and and a protest that got carried away. They were in the capitol building for a couple of hours, some doors were broken, some scuffles with police, the only person who got shot was a small unarmed female protestor by the security. Then they all left.

The significance of this is hyped up exponentially by people who don't like / want to silence the protestors.

You left out the parts about Clownzo inciting it, people wanting to kill the vice president, the interruption of Congress doing its job, lawmakers fearing for their lives and taking shelter, and Clownzo letting it happen while politicians on both sides begged him to do something. Once he did, they stood down. You left out that stuff. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

13 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You left out the parts about Clownzo inciting it, people wanting to kill the vice president, the interruption of Congress doing its job, lawmakers fearing for their lives and taking shelter, and Clownzo letting it happen while politicians on both sides begged him to do something. Once he did, they stood down. You left out that stuff. 

Just another example of the retarded leftists. 

TDS has destroyed them.

[RLLD 4,230]

Not sure how the Dems will do this exactly. While it is certainly polticial theatre I have to postulate that the intent to pointedly to stop Trump and then the potential for the return of prosperity.  The Democrats need people to suffer so they can sell themselves as the solution. 

People are generally not very bright and fall victim to the manupulation of leftist liars.

They might also try to prevent the ass whopping they are facing in November as their idiotic policies continue to harm more and more. 

If the Republicans play this right this can work in their favor.  Let the criminals do their farce of an inquiry and go all in on Trump, all the while positioning their guy in Florida for the run.

Democrats are only ever concerned about the moment, about how today looks and will happily sacrafice tomorrow for immediate gratification. I say use that weakness against them

[Hardcore troubadour 15,431]

Think anyone from congress will cry tomorrow night? 

[Ron 'Tator Salad' White 120]

49 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Think anyone from congress will cry tomorrow night? 

Kimmel? 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

feels like rotten timing for this.  there are so many enormous issues out there.  many will see the hearings as a distraction or hitjob on trump.  might very well backfire and make trump look even better than he does today.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

im sure a lot of youtuber pundits are rubbing their hands together hoping for liberals to make total assses of themselves.