NFL 2022

[Gepetto 987]

Jimmy G never has a chance to have a strong accurate arm downfield; Dak does.

[Gepetto 987]

3 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

2 games??? 

Good grief, what Cowboys games do you watch? Dak hasn't been the same since the calf injury last year. His thumb did nothing but bail his ass out and give him an excuse for looking anything like real passing qb threat. I'd take Jimmy G over him all day long right now. 

2021 REGULAR SEASON			PASSING											RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG
Sat 1/8	@PHI	W 51-26	21	27	295	77.8	10.9	5	0	37	1	151.8	98.9	0	0	0.0	0	0
Sun 1/2	vsARI	L 25-22	24	38	226	63.2	5.9	3	0	26	1	105.8	67.0	5	20	4.0	0	12
Sun 12/26	vsWSH	W 56-14	28	39	330	71.8	8.5	4	0	40	3	131.4	76.5	4	21	5.3	0	13
Sun 12/19	@NYG	W 21-6	28	37	217	75.7	5.9	1	0	19	3	98.6	78.6	2	-1	-0.5	0	0
Sun 12/12	@WSH	W 27-20	22	39	211	56.4	5.4	1	2	24	4	58.8	12.3	7	15	2.1	0	11
Thu 12/2	@NO	W 27-17	26	40	238	65.0	6.0	1	1	41	1	79.0	50.6	3	-3	-1.0	0	-1
Thu 11/25	vsLV	L 36-33 OT	32	47	375	68.1	8.0	2	0	51	1	106.3	48.5	1	3	3.0	0	3
Sun 11/21	@KC	L 19-9	28	43	216	65.1	5.0	0	2	19	5	57.9	11.2	0	0	0.0	0	0
Sun 11/14	vsATL	W 43-3	24	31	296	77.4	9.5	2	0	37	0	127.9	94.7	2	5	2.5	1	4
Sun 11/7	vsDEN	L 30-16	19	39	232	48.7	5.9	2	1	32	2	73.9	22.6	2	16	8.0	0	9
Sun 10/17	@NE	W 35-29 OT	36	51	445	70.6	8.7	3	1	35	0	108.7	62.7	3	10	3.3	0	10
Sun 10/10	vsNYG	W 44-20	22	32	302	68.8	9.4	3	1	49	2	116.9	58.3	2	6	3.0	0	6
Sun 10/3	vsCAR	W 36-28	14	22	188	63.6	8.5	4	0	35	0	130.3	88.2	4	35	8.8	0	21
Mon 9/27	vsPHI	W 41-21	21	26	238	80.8	9.2	3	0	44	4	143.3	35.6	9	6	0.7	0	5
Sun 9/19	@LAC	W 20-17	23	27	237	85.2	8.8	0	1	48	2	87.8	36.6	0	0	0.0	0	0
Thu 9/9	@TB	L 31-29	42	58	403	72.4	6.9	3	1	31	1	101.4	76.0	4	13	3.3	0	7
REGULAR SEASON STATS			410	596	4,449	68.8	7.5	37	10	51	30	104.2	60.5	48	146	3.0	1	21

 

Those numbers are focking elite, from 2021.

[Cruzer 1,992]

17 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

2021 REGULAR SEASON			PASSING											RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG
Sat 1/8	@PHI	W 51-26	21	27	295	77.8	10.9	5	0	37	1	151.8	98.9	0	0	0.0	0	0
Sun 1/2	vsARI	L 25-22	24	38	226	63.2	5.9	3	0	26	1	105.8	67.0	5	20	4.0	0	12
Sun 12/26	vsWSH	W 56-14	28	39	330	71.8	8.5	4	0	40	3	131.4	76.5	4	21	5.3	0	13
Sun 12/19	@NYG	W 21-6	28	37	217	75.7	5.9	1	0	19	3	98.6	78.6	2	-1	-0.5	0	0
Sun 12/12	@WSH	W 27-20	22	39	211	56.4	5.4	1	2	24	4	58.8	12.3	7	15	2.1	0	11
Thu 12/2	@NO	W 27-17	26	40	238	65.0	6.0	1	1	41	1	79.0	50.6	3	-3	-1.0	0	-1
Thu 11/25	vsLV	L 36-33 OT	32	47	375	68.1	8.0	2	0	51	1	106.3	48.5	1	3	3.0	0	3
Sun 11/21	@KC	L 19-9	28	43	216	65.1	5.0	0	2	19	5	57.9	11.2	0	0	0.0	0	0
Sun 11/14	vsATL	W 43-3	24	31	296	77.4	9.5	2	0	37	0	127.9	94.7	2	5	2.5	1	4
Sun 11/7	vsDEN	L 30-16	19	39	232	48.7	5.9	2	1	32	2	73.9	22.6	2	16	8.0	0	9
Sun 10/17	@NE	W 35-29 OT	36	51	445	70.6	8.7	3	1	35	0	108.7	62.7	3	10	3.3	0	10
Sun 10/10	vsNYG	W 44-20	22	32	302	68.8	9.4	3	1	49	2	116.9	58.3	2	6	3.0	0	6
Sun 10/3	vsCAR	W 36-28	14	22	188	63.6	8.5	4	0	35	0	130.3	88.2	4	35	8.8	0	21
Mon 9/27	vsPHI	W 41-21	21	26	238	80.8	9.2	3	0	44	4	143.3	35.6	9	6	0.7	0	5
Sun 9/19	@LAC	W 20-17	23	27	237	85.2	8.8	0	1	48	2	87.8	36.6	0	0	0.0	0	0
Thu 9/9	@TB	L 31-29	42	58	403	72.4	6.9	3	1	31	1	101.4	76.0	4	13	3.3	0	7
REGULAR SEASON STATS			410	596	4,449	68.8	7.5	37	10	51	30	104.2	60.5	48	146	3.0	1	21

Man I stand corrected - that Dak is amazing. I mean just look at all those incredible stats he posted against the East who went a stellar 20-31 - all who had mailed it in the last month of the season. Week 17 against PHI, who sat everybody and started G. Minshew - Dak was a God... He was also just one of 12 teams who drilled CAR, that's rare stuff there...

Dak never looked as good as he's looked in a loss to TB Week 1 - and unfortunately, he's never looked the same again (against good teams) since. He still refuses to run, still can't throw to a spot opposed to a wide open wr and still struggles to hit guys in stride. Week 1 this year Dak looked as bad as he ever has. And again, the thumb bailed his trash performance out. 

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Packers are going to get absolutely smacked in Orchard Park Sunday Night.  They can't set the line high enough.  I honestly can't wait to watch the faces on the sidelines as thr Bills shout song is blaring.  Down 21 in the 2nd Q.  And Allen jusy ran a guy over.  They are going to look around at the crazy crowd and bills players and think wow this is what caring is and what playing aggresive is like.

They deserve what is about to happen to them.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

NFL defenses in 2022 are increasingly going with 2 safeties deep, covering the mid-range throws with lots of defenders, and then blitzing way less.  rushing 4 is a much more common, but it works because defenses disguise which 4 are rushing the QB.  scoring is down because this is very effectively against modern NFL offenses.

to me, the solution on offense is to find a Christian Okoye and just plow through defenses on the ground all day.  i want a bowling ball. 250-260 lbs of beef.  defenses have gotten too cute.  time to be a brute.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

NFL defenses in 2022 are increasingly going with 2 safeties deep, covering the mid-range throws with lots of defenders, and then blitzing way less.  rushing 4 is a much more common, but it works because defenses disguise which 4 are rushing the QB.  scoring is down because this is very effectively against modern NFL offenses.

to me, the solution on offense is to find a Christian Okoye and just plow through defenses on the ground all day.  i want a bowling ball. 250-260 lbs of beef.  defenses have gotten too cute.  time to be a brute.

AJ Dillon is a bowling ball.   Too bad he doesn't try to play like one.  

[Cruzer 1,992]

On 10/25/2022 at 10:17 PM, Gepetto said:

You're out of your mind if you think Jimmy G is better than Dak.  Dak has struggled but he's only played two games.  He can get it going at some point still.

I'll own it, Dak was good today, really good. "This" Dak has been MIA for a long time now - talk about being elated to see him be the Dak we know he can be. 

If this is the Dak we get going forward, I'll gladly take him leading this team - especially if he's going to start running again. Props to #4, he was legit. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,332]

Greenbay has gave up early in this game and is playing to not being slaughtered.

[Big Guy 1,400]

3 hours ago, Cruzer said:

I'll own it, Dak was good today, really good. "This" Dak has been MIA for a long time now - talk about being elated to see him be the Dak we know he can be. 

If this is the Dak we get going forward, I'll gladly take him leading this team - especially if he's going to start running again. Props to #4, he was legit. 

agreed.......yet he still has a knack for throwing a pic at a very bad time.

[dain11279 928]

On 10/26/2022 at 8:03 AM, listen2me 23 said:

Packers are going to get absolutely smacked in Orchard Park Sunday Night.  They can't set the line high enough.  I honestly can't wait to watch the faces on the sidelines as thr Bills shout song is blaring.  Down 21 in the 2nd Q.  And Allen jusy ran a guy over.  They are going to look around at the crazy crowd and bills players and think wow this is what caring is and what playing aggresive is like.

They deserve what is about to happen to them.

Not quite what happened but Allen and the boys played their worst game of the season and still won by 10. It was bizarre watching GB's approach in the second half. Down by 17 and they never even gave Rodgers an opportunity to air it out. I realize they were running it well and were really thin at WR but they were playing like they were up by 17, not down.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Just now, dain11279 said:

Not quite what happened but Allen and the boys played their worst game of the season and still won by 10. It was bizarre watching GB's approach in the second half. Down by 17 and they never even gave Rodgers an opportunity to air it out. I realize they were running it well and were really thin at WR but they were playing like they were up by 17, not down.

Extremely bizarre.   But thats the 2022 Packers.  

I give them credit for nit laying down.  But Bills seemed bored.  Never felt like it was a game after they were stopped on 4th on the first drive.  14 points down seemed like a billion down with this version of the Packers offense.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,646]

Very winnable game for the Giants that slipped away.  Can’t be fumbling 2 punts. Still a good season so far, I expect them to regroup.  

[Cruzer 1,992]

9 hours ago, Big Guy said:

agreed.......yet he still has a knack for throwing a pic at a very bad time.

Yea but I'm okay with that pass - it was down the field, and a rocket of a throw.

I was just ecstatic to see Dak with zip on the ball, getting rid of the ball quick, RUNNING WITH IT, and hitting guys in stride. Where this Dak has been, where this Dak was in the SF playoff game last year and the TB game Week 1, no idea... But "this" Dak is a difference maker. Hopefully he only builds off this... And hopefully K. Moore doesn't abandon Dak's legs as he's done sooooooooo many times before. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,332]

56 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Extremely bizarre.   But thats the 2022 Packers.  

I give them credit for nit laying down.  But Bills seemed bored.  Never felt like it was a game after they were stopped on 4th on the first drive.  14 points down seemed like a billion down with this version of the Packers offense.  

They laid down continue to run the ball in the 2nd half when they was behind to many points to catch up. Like I said in my other post above they played not to get blow out and didn't try to win the game.

[Big Guy 1,400]

22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Very winnable game for the Giants that slipped away.  Can’t be fumbling 2 punts. Still a good season so far, I expect them to regroup.  

I personally was very happy to see them lose, now if the Eagles would fall back to the ground.

But man you gotta be excited about your team!

[lod001 1,237]

On 10/26/2022 at 2:02 PM, JustinCharge said:

NFL defenses in 2022 are increasingly going with 2 safeties deep, covering the mid-range throws with lots of defenders, and then blitzing way less.  rushing 4 is a much more common, but it works because defenses disguise which 4 are rushing the QB.  scoring is down because this is very effectively against modern NFL offenses.

to me, the solution on offense is to find a Christian Okoye and just plow through defenses on the ground all day.  i want a bowling ball. 250-260 lbs of beef.  defenses have gotten too cute.  time to be a brute.

NFL coaches are way too stupid now. Most are relying on analytics to tell them what to do and they all want to try and be tricky when a 5 yard slant pass can be completed over and over again. Also pitching the ball out the the RB works like a champ but no one does it. I did see a stupid team put the WR in at QB, the QB out wide and snap it to the WR who actually pitched it out to the RB like the QB could have done. That was last week. I laughed at the ignorance.  Then there is the alltime favorite, the bootleg, used only about 1-2 times a year now even though it works 90% of the time at least. It's amazing how much knowledge has evaporated over time in the coaching ranks.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

My mechanical system has moved the Cowboys from super elite to trash after the win over the Bears.  The big issue was surrendering 29 points.  That was a season-high points allowed.  It was enough to push them out of the super elite class.  If they shut out the Colts this week, they would move back from trash to super elite.  Even if they give up just 7 points, they have a decent shot to get back to super elite.

Meanwhile, the Bills only gave up 17 points and it was enough to push their defense into super elite class.  So we have a changing of the guard in this horse race. 

Points allowed is only part of the formula I use to grade defenses. 

The Patriots had a very strong defensive day vs the Jets but they are not there yet.  Plus as I say they need a franchise QB and the only probable way is for Zappe to take the job and perform at a high level.

My mechanical system REALLY hates the Eagles.  It thinks they are frauds but the season is far from over.

All numbers are final at the end of the regular season.  Again this system is 100% accurate, however it doesn't pick a super bowl winner every season.

[MDC 5,891]

50 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

My mechanical system has moved the Cowboys from super elite to trash after the win over the Bears.  The big issue was surrendering 29 points.  That was a season-high points allowed.  It was enough to push them out of the super elite class.  If they shut out the Colts this week, they would move back from trash to super elite.  Even if they give up just 7 points, they have a decent shot to get back to super elite.

Meanwhile, the Bills only gave up 17 points and it was enough to push their defense into super elite class.  So we have a changing of the guard in this horse race. 

Points allowed is only part of the formula I use to grade defenses. 

The Patriots had a very strong defensive day vs the Jets but they are not there yet.  Plus as I say they need a franchise QB and the only probable way is for Zappe to take the job and perform at a high level.

My mechanical system REALLY hates the Eagles.  It thinks they are frauds but the season is far from over.

All numbers are final at the end of the regular season.  Again this system is 100% accurate, however it doesn't pick a super bowl winner every season.

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

55 minutes ago, MDC said:

 

blah blah blah.  some people just cant handle when others make predictions or projections in sports.  its for fun.  i enjoy it a lot more then endless whining about bad players or refs.

[MDC 5,891]

11 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

blah blah blah.  some people just cant handle when others make predictions or projections in sports.  its for fun.  i enjoy it a lot more then endless whining about bad players or refs.

It’s not the predictions. It’s the “mechanical system,” like you’re doing analytics or something. Plus the excuses and walking your predictions back when they’re wrong.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,646]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

 

How far back does your system go when comparing defenses?  Because if you’re going back 20 years you can throw it out. There are no more shutdown defenses anymore. They all give up yards and points to competent and better offenses. What the good ones do is make plays. Turnovers, sacks and forcing field goals. The KC Chiefs are the most dominant team in the NFL the last 3-4 years. Do you think they have a dominant defense, capable of shutting down a good offense? The Eagles and Cowboys have the kind of defenses that make plays when they are needed. You should watch more instead of playing with outdated stats that don’t correlate to the current game. Edit: this was meant for Justin. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How far back does your system go when comparing defenses?  Because if you’re going back 20 years you can throw it out. There are no more shutdown defenses anymore. They all give up yards and points to competent and better offenses. What the good ones do is make plays. Turnovers, sacks and forcing field goals. The KC Chiefs are the most dominant team in the NFL the last 3-4 years. Do you think they have a dominant defense, capable of shutting down a good offense? The Eagles and Cowboys have the kind of defenses that make plays when they are needed. You should watch more instead of playing with outdated stats that don’t correlate to the current game. Edit: this was meant for Justin. 

ive talked about this before.  the system works, but in recent years super elite defenses are simply not getting paired with franchise qbs.  you get these baller defenses and the qb is a scrub.

[Bier Meister 1,514]

It was looking like Cincy found themselves…. Then the online started getting nostalgic.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

theres a good chance we get TWO teams this year that pass the test.  cowboys and bills.  in that scenario, the system just says 1 of those 2 will win the title.  its super rare for 2 teams to qualify in the same season.  there have never been 3 in the same season.

[posty 2,296]

16 hours ago, MDC said:

It’s not the predictions. It’s the “mechanical system,” like you’re doing analytics or something. Plus the excuses and walking your predictions back when they’re wrong.

He will pick the Super Bowl winner right after the game finishes...

[Bier Meister 1,514]

for the NFL fans... a lot of movement going on...

 

biggest news:

Hock to min

Chubb to mia, edmonds to den

wilson to mia

claypool to chi

[Hardcore troubadour 12,646]

Looks like the Giants are standing Pat. Really need a wr. I guess the prices are too high. I wouldn’t give a 2 for Claypool. 

[Hawkeye21 1,854]

9 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

for the NFL fans... a lot of movement going on...

 

biggest news:

Hock to min

Chubb to mia, edmonds to den

wilson to mia

claypool to chi

Calvin Ridley to Jaguars

William Jackson III to the Steelers

 

[edjr 5,564]

Please explain why Robert Saleh can't run out on the the field and kick grass and spit on the referee after that horrible roughing call?

Who wouldn't have paid to see that? Why can only whimpy MLB managers do it?

[Hawkeye21 1,854]

This is a hell of a way to use your 3rd overall pick.

 

[edjr 5,564]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

This is a hell of a way to use your 3rd overall pick.

 

Yet SF is probably still going to be the NFC super bowl team

[Hawkeye21 1,854]

Just now, edjr said:

Yet SF is probably still going to be the NFC super bowl team

Not because of that pick though.  The Dolphins have been doing some big things.

[listen2me 23 1,542]

Didnt really care if the Packers made a move or not even though the rest if the world will lose theit minds.  I think the GM is alright but is mind bogglingly set in his ways and really has no clear direction.    Thr bigger problem is hiring lame duck DCs.  The players don't fit what Joe Barry is trying to run.  They even are starting to grumble about not loving the gameplans.  Why pay Jaire big CB money only to have him sit in zone and watch Diggs tear you up from other spots? If it is just shell coverage now then what use is an "elite" cb?   Look at what the Bills do without Tre White and just a bunch of rookies and guys.  

As far as trades.. .like yea would be nice to see some more pop in the WR room.  But the season is over.  Chase Claypool isn't going to do anything.  What is more frustrating is their total neglect and "oh were alright there" in thr offseason.  Only to scurry and ask for WRs when they are 3-5.  Amateur hour. I am not some big WR guy but you need guys who challenge a defense.  Especially if your gazillion 1st round pick defense is going to wallow in mediocrity.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Didnt really care if the Packers made a move or not even though the rest if the world will lose theit minds.  I think the GM is alright but is mind bogglingly set in his ways and really has no clear direction.    Thr bigger problem is hiring lame duck DCs.  The players don't fit what Joe Barry is trying to run.  They even are starting to grumble about not loving the gameplans.  Why pay Jaire big CB money only to have him sit in zone and watch Diggs tear you up from other spots? If it is just shell coverage now then what use is an "elite" cb?   Look at what the Bills do without Tre White and just a bunch of rookies and guys.  

As far as trades.. .like yea would be nice to see some more pop in the WR room.  But the season is over.  Chase Claypool isn't going to do anything.  What is more frustrating is their total neglect and "oh were alright there".  Only to scurry and ask for WR when they are 3-5.  Amateur hour. I am not some big WR guy but you need guys who challenge a defense.  Especially if your gazillion 1st rounf pick defense is going to wallow in mediocrity.

without following the Packers as close as a real Packer fan, Rodgers seems to be the biggest issue to me. Is it true he was unwilling to Brady the situation and take less money to help build the team around him? Pair that with the drama of "does he want to leave?, will he come back?, he's demanding the ghost of Randall Cobb, we keep drafting WRs to appease him but he notoriously does not elevate rookies and prefers the veterans he is comfortable with. So why let Adams walk? They couldn't afford him right? Was that an issue of how much they paid Rodgers?

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

2 hours ago, edjr said:

Please explain why Robert Saleh can't run out on the the field and kick grass and spit on the referee after that horrible roughing call?

Who wouldn't have paid to see that? Why can only whimpy MLB managers do it?

From a Jet fan perspective and having listened to all the talking heads in the area from Michael Kay / Don Legreca to Dan Gracca and others... I don't agree with what seems to be the general consensus that it was a mind blowing terrible call. 

I think it was certainly a bit ticky-tack but the reality is the ball was out of the QBs hands with plenty of time for Franklin-Meyes to avoid any contact. It was the kind of undisciplined penalty that we used to get all the time when Rex was the coach.

[Hawkeye21 1,854]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

without following the Packers as close as a real Packer fan, Rodgers seems to be the biggest issue to me. Is it true he was unwilling to Brady the situation and take less money to help build the team around him? Pair that with the drama of "does he want to leave?, will he come back?, he's demanding the ghost of Randall Cobb, we keep drafting WRs to appease him but he notoriously does not elevate rookies and prefers the veterans he is comfortable with. So why let Adams walk? They couldn't afford him right? Was that an issue of how much they paid Rodgers?

I know a lot of Packers fans in my area and they’ve grown tired of Rodgers. He’s a selfish douche bag. 

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Looks like the Giants are standing Pat. Really need a wr. I guess the prices are too high. I wouldn’t give a 2 for Claypool. 

Not many teams would. It doesn't make a lot of sense, imo.... would have been nice to see them add something since Golladay has been such a bust, Shep is hurt, Toney... no clue what was going on there as he claims he is healthy... This should be Daniel Jones final audition. at 6-2 I would want to give him EVERYHTING possible to show if the team should commit. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,646]

11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Not many teams would. It doesn't make a lot of sense, imo.... would have been nice to see them add something since Golladay has been such a bust, Shep is hurt, Toney... no clue what was going on there as he claims he is healthy... This should be Daniel Jones final audition. at 6-2 I would want to give him EVERYHTING possible to show if the team should commit. 

If Galladay could just give them something. You would think he would want to seeing as he will be getting cut before  next season. 100 pct dog. 

[Brad GLuckman 518]

54 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Didnt really care if the Packers made a move or not even though the rest if the world will lose theit minds.  I think the GM is alright but is mind bogglingly set in his ways and really has no clear direction.    Thr bigger problem is hiring lame duck DCs.  The players don't fit what Joe Barry is trying to run.  They even are starting to grumble about not loving the gameplans.  Why pay Jaire big CB money only to have him sit in zone and watch Diggs tear you up from other spots? If it is just shell coverage now then what use is an "elite" cb?   Look at what the Bills do without Tre White and just a bunch of rookies and guys.  

As far as trades.. .like yea would be nice to see some more pop in the WR room.  But the season is over.  Chase Claypool isn't going to do anything.  What is more frustrating is their total neglect and "oh were alright there" in thr offseason.  Only to scurry and ask for WRs when they are 3-5.  Amateur hour. I am not some big WR guy but you need guys who challenge a defense.  Especially if your gazillion 1st round pick defense is going to wallow in mediocrity.

My only complaint of Gutekunst is he should've gone all in with Rodgers or trade him and rebuild, instead he did this 50/50 thing where they have Rodgers but they aren't loading up around him. I dont necessarily think this team needed to trade now as its most likely a lost season, but it could've been addressed prior to the start of the season. 

[listen2me 23 1,542]

57 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

without following the Packers as close as a real Packer fan, Rodgers seems to be the biggest issue to me. Is it true he was unwilling to Brady the situation and take less money to help build the team around him? Pair that with the drama of "does he want to leave?, will he come back?, he's demanding the ghost of Randall Cobb, we keep drafting WRs to appease him but he notoriously does not elevate rookies and prefers the veterans he is comfortable with. So why let Adams walk? They couldn't afford him right? Was that an issue of how much they paid Rodgers?

Much of this isn't true.  

I mean did he take a Brady deal? No.  But who else has?  Seems like an outlier.  Lets expect every QB from here to do the same if thats the standard.

Ghost of Cobb is true but getting Cobb has actually helped.  He was like their leading WR earlier this year.    Towards the top of the league in yards after catch.  He still can play.  The problem is they have a bunch of rookies and number 3 WRs.  They have neglected wr/te forever.  

They offered Adams basically thr same deal.  Adams wanted to play with his best friend Carr.  He and Rodgers remain close friends.

All the drama happened and they happened to win 13 games the past 3 seasons anyway.  

Is Rodgers playing like vintage Rodgers? No.  But thats not exactly the issue although it can contribute.   He can't carry them anymore.  His legs don't move like they used to.  

It has been said by reporters that players are grumbling about the DC.  The DC that coached the lions to an 0-16 record.  There are 6 1st round picks on defense starting.  2 good sized FAs from a few years ago.  And 2 good sized FAs from this past offseason that we resigned.  Have spent countless picks on defense.  Yet they remain mediocre.    Waste of time.   

A 4th round rookie is thr Packers number 1 WR and I like Doubs, but he is a 4th round rookie.  Their TE was undrafted.