I guess the Fetterman Oz debate didn't go so well.

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What a stupid line. He still has free will and the ability to choose. Do you think the disabled forfeit that?

He’s sick, not just disabled. Likening this to someone in a wheelchair or other physician disability is a really desperate reach.  Moral high ground denied.  He’s not FDR or Duckworth. 

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12 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What a stupid line. He still has free will and the ability to choose. Do you think the disabled forfeit that?

Build Back Better with brain dead dumbasses running the country!!!

Liberal's new motto.

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8 hours ago, RLLD said:

The real takeaway from the Oz-Fetterman debate

 

WOW........

 

I had to click on that link to make sure, just in case, if it wasn't an Onion or Babylon Bee piece which radical left news organization had such a hot take.

 

 

 

 

NBC.   

That should remove any and all doubt about MSM doing heavy lifting for Democrats.

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6 hours ago, bostonlager said:

430228	Mehmet Oz (R)		-230
430227	John Fetterman (D)		+160

 

I wish I would have placed a bet last week. Things went downhill real quick for the retarded goatee. 

 

5 hours ago, bostonlager said:

Could have got Hershel Walker +150 last week too. He is now -140

That's what I wanted to see.  Either Republicans have more of a gambling problem or that's the first sign of the red tsunami.  I'll feel better if the polls following the debate match up with the odds.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

32 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s sick, not just disabled. Likening this to someone in a wheelchair or other physician disability is a really desperate reach.  Moral high ground denied.  He’s not FDR or Duckworth. 

Not really. Look, you don’t have to vote for him, but attacking him for his disability is pretty low. 

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Not really. Look, you don’t have to vote for him, but attacking him for his disability is pretty low. 

He was disabled before the stroke

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14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Not really. Look, you don’t have to vote for him, but attacking him for his disability is pretty low. 

He was an idiot before he had a stroke. Now that he had a stroke we are supposed to lie and call him smart? You have weird logic. 

Some jerk from down the street from you gets brain damaged so you want to make him a senator of your state or president of the country or CEO of your business?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

16 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Not really. Look, you don’t have to vote for him, but attacking him for his disability is pretty low. 

You don’t need your legs or arms to be a senator. But you do need your mental faculties. Pointing that out isn’t attacking him for his disability.  I will attack him because he’s a Fockin loser that never worked a hard day in his life and mooched off of others. Plus he’s a disgusting slob. And really bad ideas. 

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48 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Not really. Look, you don’t have to vote for him, but attacking him for his disability is pretty low. 

Speaking the truth about his condition is not low or wrong, it’s truth

the people who are “low” are the ones placing the democrat counts in the senate above his recovery and well being

the people who are “low” are the ones that sent him out on that stage in his condition 

Liberal “morality” baffles me

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Speaking the truth about his condition is not low or wrong, it’s truth

the people who are “low” are the ones placing the democrat counts in the senate above his recovery and well being

the people who are “low” are the ones that sent him out on that stage in his condition 

Liberal “morality” baffles me

Just saying there are people who would make the same case about Hershel Walker's cognitive abilities. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Speaking the truth about his condition is not low or wrong, it’s truth

the people who are “low” are the ones placing the democrat counts in the senate above his recovery and well being

the people who are “low” are the ones that sent him out on that stage in his condition 

Liberal “morality” baffles me

The guy doesn't even see what he's doing. 

Or maybe he's just trolling. But I don't think so on this thread.

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1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Just saying there are people who would make the same case about Hershel Walker's cognitive abilities. 

No, they wouldn't because it's not comparable.  

I mean, in your pretzel logic mind it is, but in reality - where the rest of us live - it's not even close.  Sorry, pal.  You lose again.

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34 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You don’t need your legs or arms to be a senator. But you do need your mental faculties. Pointing that out isn’t attacking him for his disability.  I will attack him because he’s a Fockin loser that never worked a hard day in his life and mooched off of others. Plus he’s a disgusting slob. And really bad ideas. 

I don't suppose you remember Max Cleland.

[Voltaire 5,317]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Just saying there are people who would make the same case about Hershel Walker's cognitive abilities. 

To their credit, most of them are avoiding this thread.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Seems apt for the discussion- written by Michael Luciano over at Mediaite. This is excerpts. You can read it over there if need be.

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Fetterman participated in his first and only debate with his Republican opponent Mehmet Oz (R) on Tuesday night. The lieutenant governor struggled, to say the least. He was allowed to use a monitor displaying closed captioning because he sometimes has difficulty processing spoken words. Several of his responses were disjointed and awkwardly delivered.

Predictably, the pundit class is acting as though lawmaking is akin to being a surgeon or an architect. If that were the case, then yes, we should be concerned about a recent stroke victim transplanting a new kidney into someone or planning repairs on Pittsburgh’s Roberto Clemente Bridge.

“The question is, how impaired is he?” Joe Scarborough said on Wednesday morning. “And that’s something that the voters of Pennsylvania are going to be sorting through, even if people on the Left want to pretend it doesn’t exist. It does exist, but does it mean he can’t serve as senator?”

No, it doesn’t. There is nothing technical about being a senator that requires razor-sharp mental acuity because that’s not what this job entails, as evidenced by the fact the Senate has the ignominious distinction of being full of decrepit old people. Dianne Feinstein, who is in the process of losing it, is a senator. So is Pat Leahy, who’s calling it quits. And Chuck Grassley. Hell, Strom Thurmond was 100 years old when he finally retired from the chamber and looked and sounded every bit a centenarian.

Also, like Fetterman, Sen. Ben Ray Luján had a stroke earlier this year. There have been no calls for him to step down. Former Sen. Mark Kirk also had a stroke while serving back in 2012 and was a senator for five more years before losing reelection. Again, there were no demands he resign.

Moreover – and I can’t emphasize this enough – in 2000, Missouri voters elected a dead guy to the United States Senate.

That’s right. Mel Carnahan died in a plane crash less than a month before the election, but that didn’t prevent him from defeating incumbent John Ashcroft, who you’d think would’ve had the edge in the race simply by virtue of having a pulse.

Obviously, it’s not ideal to have barely coherent geriatrics, other impaired lawmakers, and dead people elected to the federal legislature. But to speak as though Fetterman’s ascension to the Senate would be beneath its dignity is nonsense. And again, what truly matters is how Fetterman would vote.

 

Then it goes into Fetterman would vote the same way I would so I support him- which makes sense I guess if that's what you are going for. Ends with this piece:

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It’s unfortunate Fetterman had a stroke. But at the end of the day, he’s the nominee and his views more closely align with mine. And you better believe that if Oz were the one who had the stroke, Republicans would be insisting he’s still up for the task.

Fetterman’s stroke matters, but it’s hardly the most important facet of his candidacy.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No, they wouldn't because it's not comparable.  

I mean, in your pretzel logic mind it is, but in reality - where the rest of us live - it's not even close.  Sorry, pal.  You lose again.

People online have 100% made that case.

Sorry you don't scroll off of the forum here. 

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2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No, they wouldn't because it's not comparable.  

I mean, in your pretzel logic mind it is, but in reality - where the rest of us live - it's not even close.  Sorry, pal.  You lose again.

Again and again. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

To their credit, most of them are avoiding this thread.

I didn't say people here though- but people online have

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6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I don't suppose you remember Max Cleland.

I do. He was a disabled war veteran who was accused of being unpatriotic by the right. Notably Saxby Chambliss, a draft dodger. Why do you ask? 

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16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

People online have 100% made that case.

Sorry you don't scroll off of the forum here. 

Hey everyone I know someone online somewhere that said that pigs can fly!  So there, ha ha.

What a foking moron.  

[Voltaire 5,317]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I didn't say people here though- but people online have

People were brutal in the Walker thread on his cognitive ability. That's one of Walker's flaws, no doubt, and people who support him have to suck that up as well as suck up his family values hypocracy to vote for the guy. But anyone that either went after Walker's mental acuity there while give Fetterman a pass here, or anyone who did the reverse ... that's a double standard.

As for me, I want Walker in the Senate and not Fetterman for exact same reasons as you overlooking the cognitive issues except, obviously, the reverse. The parties are incredibly stratified and I simply want the Republican guy, whereas you want the Democrat. 

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13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I do. He was a disabled war veteran who was accused of being unpatriotic by the right. Notably Saxby Chambliss, a draft dodger. Why do you ask? 

When you mentioned how it doesn't take arms or legs to be a Senator, it reminded me of the Senator who lost both legs and an arm at Khe Sahn.

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18 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

People were brutal in the Walker thread on his cognitive ability. That's one of Walker's flaws, no doubt, and people who support him have to suck that up as well as suck up his family values hypocracy to vote for the guy. But anyone that either went after Walker's mental acuity there while give Fetterman a pass here, or anyone who did the reverse ... that's a double standard.

As for me, I want Walker in the Senate and not Fetterman for exact same reasons as you overlooking the cognitive issues except, obviously, the reverse. The parties are incredibly stratified and I simply want the Republican guy, whereas you want the Democrat. 

I don't particularly care who wins. I wish the Republicans were running a candidate with more ties to Pennsylvania, or a better candidate overall. 

I wish both parties would focus more on candidates who appealed more to the middle. 

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6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't particularly care who wins. I wish the Republicans were running a candidate with more ties to Pennsylvania, or a better candidate overall. 

I wish both parties would focus more on candidates who appealed more to the middle. 

Stop it. You are a raging liberal.

All the liberals on this site call themselves moderates yet always defend the liberals. 

You are no different.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

I have voted for as many Republicans as I have Democrats and pretty much every election vote for people from both parties.

That means "raging liberal." I guess if you are coming from the point of being so far right you are almost on the right everyone is a "raging liberal."

[Voltaire 5,317]

17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't particularly care who wins. I wish the Republicans were running a candidate with more ties to Pennsylvania, or a better candidate overall. 

I wish both parties would focus more on candidates who appealed more to the middle. 

Pennsylvania Dems had that option in Connor Lamb. Even though Fetterman had suffered his stroke before the primary election, the Dems there still knowingly/willingly voted for the far left stroke victim rather than the moderate. It's not like how the the Alabama GOP got stuck with Roy Moore. What that pretty much tells me that as a Pennsylvania voter, you'll not be seeing moderates on the Democratic side for statewide office any time soon.

[RLLD 4,247]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Just saying there are people who would make the same case about Hershel Walker's cognitive abilities. 

And they should, he should have the mental capacity to serve in the role.

Challenge him by all means, and he better not play the “it’s because I am black” game either

we should expect, and demand, this from all of them

 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

7 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Pennsylvania Dems had that option in Connor Lamb. Even though Fetterman had suffered his stroke before the primary election, the Dems there still knowingly/willingly voted for the far left stroke victim rather than the moderate. It's not like how the the Alabama GOP got stuck with Roy Moore. What that pretty much tells me that as a Pennsylvania voter, you'll not be seeing moderates on the Democratic side for statewide office any time soon.

There was a lot of uncertainty at that time and many Democrats in the PA party wanted Lamb to win because they felt he was the better candidate. 

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32 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I have voted for as many Republicans as I have Democrats and pretty much every election vote for people from both parties.

That means "raging liberal." I guess if you are coming from the point of being so far right you are almost on the right everyone is a "raging liberal."

He didnt say anything about who you voted for dummy.  

By chance do you feel some numbness in the left side of your face?  

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3 hours ago, OldMaid said:

I live in Los Angeles. HTH

Does one really "live" in LA? 
I think not

[craftsman 1,045]

3 hours ago, OldMaid said:

I live in Los Angeles.

Oh boy. That's worth knowing. 

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

People were brutal in the Walker thread on his cognitive ability. That's one of Walker's flaws, no doubt, and people who support him have to suck that up as well as suck up his family values hypocracy to vote for the guy. But anyone that either went after Walker's mental acuity there while give Fetterman a pass here, or anyone who did the reverse ... that's a double standard.

As for me, I want Walker in the Senate and not Fetterman for exact same reasons as you overlooking the cognitive issues except, obviously, the reverse. The parties are incredibly stratified and I simply want the Republican guy, whereas you want the Democrat. 

Fetterman has a mental impairment due to a stroke. I have known multiple stroke patients. They aren’t vegetables - things are just harder for them since they have to re-train areas of their brain that most people took for granted their whole lives. Those with the will to do so can recover better than you’d think, but it’s lots of work.

As for Herschel, he’s just a moron. There’s no fixing stupid.

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Researched his family tree. I've come to the conclusion that his grandfather starred in the original 'The Hills Have Eyes'

https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEG2043

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6 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Fetterman has a mental impairment due to a stroke. I have known multiple stroke patients. They aren’t vegetables - things are just harder for them since they have to re-train areas of their brain that most people took for granted their whole lives. Those with the will to do so can recover better than you’d think, but it’s lots of work.

 

Fetterman was a vegetable before his stroke. He's even worse now. There is no fixing stupid, not even with a stroke. 

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16 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

For a party which has so many with liberal arts degrees they do seem to lack an appreciation of human motivations, they seek to award or support indolence  They also seem to be mathmatically challenged.  

Conservatives, at least those who are now labeled conservatives, seem to lack an appreciation of human reactions.  If you do not engage half the population you will always have a contentious and unstable society.

the vast majrity of people are conservatives.  it takes an overwhelmingly liberal MSM to give the left even a shot to win.  if the media was telling the truth, the democrats wouldnt exist.  and thats the real issue, that freedom of the press has been compromised.  we need to end this monopoly of radical leftist thought in the press to fix the nation.

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14 hours ago, Big Guy said:

Just in time for Halloween the Left brings you.....

Frankenstein's Monster 

Frackenstein 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

I bet Fetterman would do fine in a debate with Diane Feinstein.  Another one the democrats are hiding. 

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On 10/26/2022 at 9:36 AM, Engorgeous George said:

Very well.  Lately many, though certainly not all who now wear the moniker of being a conservative spend a great deal of effort denigrating liberal/progressives.  They do not deconstruct the policies or positions of the liberal/progressive, but they denigrate the holder of the positions, beliefs, or philosophies, however you describe their positions.  Now for me I have never known anyone who is personally attacked for adhering to their beliefs to change those beliefs.  Rather, having been attacked, or percieving they have been attacked, they become more retrenched in their positions,,and they become much less likely to compromise or tolerate opposing positions.  In short we are forcing and reinforcing polarization.  Now if one accepts the premise that a population more or less evenly divided in number cannot florish when they simply cannot tolerate the other half or work cooperatively with the other half it seems evident to me it is not rational to continue down the path our society seems so set upon.  It seems evident to me that those who denigrate others do not appreciate human reactions.  They are not in any meaningful way changing behavior or advancing their own agenda.  Rather they are heading further down a dead end path though they do get the motivation and reinforcement of feeling superior for having denigrated the out class. 

Good thoughts EG.   I'll try to have a more informed response at some later point, kind of busy with work this week.    But in the meantime - I saw this meme today and it immediately made me think of you and your thoughts:

 

[cmh6476 1,025]

well frack!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,486]

So is he for fracking or against it? Or are we just assuming he’s lying? The anti frackers know he’ll be there for them when The time comes.