jonmx 2,424 Posted March 8, 2023 Can't liberals see they have become nothing but low-life fascist boot-lickers? What principles do they stand for? - evidence suppression - anti-speech - locking up innocent citizens We have a lying f-ing gestopo running this country in the interest of big government and mega corporations. Normal citizens are f-ed. You really think they give a crap about wokist politics. You are being manipulated you leftist clowns. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,171 Posted March 8, 2023 9 hours ago, dogcows said: It’s not a good hypothesis, because everybody knows there are security cameras in the Capitol. And that 1 minute of video is not exculpatory, no matter how much Carlson says it is. His charge was obstructing an official proceeding. No matter what happened in any hallways, he was in the Senate chamber. Don’t care who he thinks let him in, he did the crime. Max sentence is 20 years, he got less than 4. He’s lucky. I honestly have no idea why anybody wants to defend these rioters. They’re traitors and deserve to be in prison. I did not find the video exculpatory. It did add some balance to the narrative of the committee, whose presentation and assessment was uneven. In the end I remember watching the events of the day unfold in real time. Threre was riotous behavior by a great many. There was also curiosity by a great many, but that great many did accompany the riotous, and therefore added them with moral support and support in numbers. From that day I remeber a couple of images. I remember a couple in the capital rotunda after the building had been breached. They were walking the rotunda, looking at the art and architecture. There were velvet riopes cordoning off an area. They were caredful to not disturbe the velvet ropes. Ii also remember after watching the mob storm the building, looking to me like a swarm of army ants on the move overwhelming an area seeing activity at one door and window. Persons with rage and hate in their faces were breaking the doors and window which took time as they were secirity doors and windows. Inside were defenders of the building. they looked confused and scared. Once the building was breached I remeber some slob sitting in Pelosi's cahir with a gloating, self-satisfied look on his face. You could tell he had no idea what came next. You could watch the realization slip into his expression of "now what" "maybe i should have thought this through". Guy was an idiot, an idiot caught up in the rage of our times. The same rage Trump has contributed to. The same rage I see perpetuate here on this site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,950 Posted March 8, 2023 Again- people watched this stuff in real time. The bipartisan committee presented a narrative, Tucker Carlson is presenting a narrative. People will believe what they want to from the latter two things as opposed to what they actually witnessed that day. It's stupid and no amount of skyscreaming because "Tucker said so..." or "Liz Cheney said so...." changes that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,088 Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, Sean Mooney said: Again- people watched this stuff in real time. The bipartisan committee presented a narrative, Tucker Carlson is presenting a narrative. People will believe what they want to from the latter two things as opposed to what they actually witnessed that day. It's stupid and no amount of skyscreaming because "Tucker said so..." or "Liz Cheney said so...." changes that. “Bipartisan” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,950 Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, Dizkneelande said: “Bipartisan” Yes there were Democrats and Republicans on that committee thus- bipartisan. What do you disagree with? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,950 Posted March 8, 2023 MAGA idiots and leftist idiots have the same reaction: MAGA world: "What about all the people looting and rioting in the summer of 2020?" Lefties: "It was a portion of the people and not all of them" MAGA world: "No...you have to take credit for all of them reeeeee." Now Tucker shows video: Lefties: "People were there to obstruct justice." MAGA world: "It was a portion of the people and not all of them" Lefties: "Take credit for all of them....reeeee" 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,088 Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Yes there were Democrats and Republicans on that committee thus- bipartisan. What do you disagree with? I disagree that is was a bipartisan committee seems pretty clear what I was insinuating. Handpicking Kinzinger and Cheney while rejecting McCarthy’s choices screams “bipartisan”. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,154 Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said: Yes there were Democrats and Republicans on that committee thus- bipartisan. What do you disagree with? I think the Dems did a good job ensuring the placement of only Republicans they knew would agree with them, while that is certainly not representing the will of the people it was rather effective at ensuring they projected the intended message. The model is akin to the "May 16 Notification” and ensuing actions as laid out by the Maoist regime. You can trace Democrat actions by the plan Mao executed. The Jan 6th event is the prelude to the ongoing unraveling of the "olds" as the Democrats have already defined. While Mao was doing all this he was also going after the kids, another tactic the liberals have already set in motion. Schools and universities were closed and churches, shrines, libraries, shops and private homes ransacked or destroyed as the assault on “feudal” traditions began. We can see the parallels between those actions of the murderous socialists and those of our own..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,950 Posted March 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: I disagree that is was a bipartisan committee seems pretty clear what I was insinuating. Handpicking Kinzinger and Cheney while rejecting McCarthy’s choices screams “bipartisan”. Take away the bipartisan part and it makes my point even stronger that it is two sides playing politics rather than playing truth. So I'm fine with it 5 minutes ago, RLLD said: I think the Dems did a good job ensuring the placement of only Republicans they knew would agree with them, while that is certainly not representing the will of the people it was rather effective at ensuring they projected the intended message. The model is akin to the "May 16 Notification” and ensuing actions as laid out by the Maoist regime. You can trace Democrat actions by the plan Mao executed. The Jan 6th event is the prelude to the ongoing unraveling of the "olds" as the Democrats have already defined. While Mao was doing all this he was also going after the kids, another tactic the liberals have already set in motion. Schools and universities were closed and churches, shrines, libraries, shops and private homes ransacked or destroyed as the assault on “feudal” traditions began. We can see the parallels between those actions of the murderous socialists and those of our own..... There were still Republicans there but even still- regardless of why they were there it was a narrative put forth in the same way Tucker is putting forth a narrative. Both the narratives are wrong. The rest of your stuff is too over the top for me and alarmist...and I say that as someone who is pretty jaded about politics in general. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,154 Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said: There were still Republicans there but even still- regardless of why they were there it was a narrative put forth in the same way Tucker is putting forth a narrative. Both the narratives are wrong. The rest of your stuff is too over the top for me and alarmist...and I say that as someone who is pretty jaded about politics in general. I wonder, if the Republicans were to attempt a similar dog and pony show....and stacked the deck only with specific hand-picked Democrats that would ensure the outcome, if you would feel the same? I rather doubt it. If we only ever allow representatives who only support an ideological pursuit to participate, that is not a Democracy, it goes by another name. You might not like the truth where it does not fit your ideological world view, but what you will hopefully accept at some point is that the Democrat party has embraced and fomented Maoist doctrine. I have opposed the Republicans, here and through communication, where they went outside....but only because I am not a sychophant to the "party". Individuals such as yourself are far too common in liberal circles, where only your viewpoint is allowable. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Take away the bipartisan part and it makes my point even stronger that it is two sides playing politics rather than playing truth. So I'm fine with it There were still Republicans there but even still- regardless of why they were there it was a narrative put forth in the same way Tucker is putting forth a narrative. Both the narratives are wrong. The rest of your stuff is too over the top for me and alarmist...and I say that as someone who is pretty jaded about politics in general. IMO the complaints mean they believe it would be different if the shoe is on the other foot. I am not sure who lives in that reality. I'd say look know further than down the road at the S.C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: I wonder, if the Republicans were to attempt a similar dog and pony show....and stacked the deck only with specific hand-picked Democrats that would ensure the outcome, if you would feel the same? I rather doubt it. If we only ever allow representatives who only support an ideological pursuit to participate, that is not a Democracy, it goes by another name. You might not like the truth where it does not fit your ideological world view, but what you will hopefully accept at some point is that the Democrat party has embraced and fomented Maoist doctrine. I have opposed the Republicans, here and through communication, where they went outside....but only because I am not a sychophant to the "party". Individuals such as yourself are far too common in liberal circles, where only your viewpoint is allowable. Of course, and we don't have much of a democracy. Like I said, when I read complaints I usually interpret that to mean the poster believes it would be different if the roles were reversed - say hearing investigating the "Summer of Love" with the Rs in charge. I usually don't bother complaining, because IMO that is partisan politics as usual and where we are at in our country - not because I approve of what's going on. And that's what I believe SM was getting at - look at the raw, unedited footage and make up our own minds, instead of dividing into camps and just getting their interpretation of events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,950 Posted March 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, RLLD said: I wonder, if the Republicans were to attempt a similar dog and pony show....and stacked the deck only with specific hand-picked Democrats that would ensure the outcome, if you would feel the same? I rather doubt it. If we only ever allow representatives who only support an ideological pursuit to participate, that is not a Democracy, it goes by another name. You might not like the truth where it does not fit your ideological world view, but what you will hopefully accept at some point is that the Democrat party has embraced and fomented Maoist doctrine. I have opposed the Republicans, here and through communication, where they went outside....but only because I am not a sychophant to the "party". Individuals such as yourself are far too common in liberal circles, where only your viewpoint is allowable. I would feel the same...not sure what to say beyond that. This is what bipartisanship looks like in Washington anymore. We see it time and again. Again- I think the Maoist stuff is where you lose me because it just feels too alarmist. Also, not sure where the hostility comes in the last paragraph. You are one of the few people who I disagree with here that I actually respect opinion wise because your posts are not traditionally just repeating talking points or skyscreaming nonsense. Furthermore, I'm a lifelong moderate Republican who has drifted more into independent land because I do not care about some of the battle the right want to fight. And I certainly don't agree with large swaths of what the Democrats say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,171 Posted March 8, 2023 I remember watching video on January the 6th of the swarm coming up on the capitol. It reminded me of an old miovie where army ants were swarming towards some ranch compounfd in the amazon. they crossed irrigation ditches, waited out a fire brealk and then hit the walls,piling up and then ascending. I've seen that scene repeated in zombie movies and in some ridiculous matt damon on the great wall movie. When you find yourself enacting scenes from cheesy movies it may be time to evaluate what in the world you are up to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,154 Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: I would feel the same...not sure what to say beyond that. This is what bipartisanship looks like in Washington anymore. We see it time and again. Again- I think the Maoist stuff is where you lose me because it just feels too alarmist. Also, not sure where the hostility comes in the last paragraph. You are one of the few people who I disagree with here that I actually respect opinion wise because your posts are not traditionally just repeating talking points or skyscreaming nonsense. Furthermore, I'm a lifelong moderate Republican who has drifted more into independent land because I do not care about some of the battle the right want to fight. And I certainly don't agree with large swaths of what the Democrats say. I am not as accepting of the behavior as you are. I expect and demand more from our government. That it is happening, has happened, seems outside of our control so we just say "oh well" is not how this system works. THEY work for US. Where I see people make allowances for Trump, or Biden or any of them....to behave badly without a challenge I see a cultist devotion. I think that mentality is being fomented in our schools, and exacerbated by social media. If one of liberal bent, let alone one who is not of that religion, does not conform....the reaction is cancellation. This threat to conform is a cancer on our society. This Jan 6th setup mirrors the behavior to exclude. I expect better from our leaders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,950 Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am not as accepting of the behavior as you are. I expect and demand more from our government. That it is happening, has happened, seems outside of our control so we just say "oh well" is not how this system works. THEY work for US. Where I see people make allowances for Trump, or Biden or any of them....to behave badly without a challenge I see a cultist devotion. I think that mentality is being fomented in our schools, and exacerbated by social media. If one of liberal bent, let alone one who is not of that religion, does not conform....the reaction is cancellation. This threat to conform is a cancer on our society. This Jan 6th setup mirrors the behavior to exclude. I expect better from our leaders. You are misinterpreting me...I want better from the leaders, I would encourage better from our leaders, but we don't get it because the edges of politics are louder...because the media wants to drive wedges as opposed to drive commonalities (and yes both sides of the 24/7 news divide do this)...because politicians know playing to the crazy bases on both sides is how they keep their name out there and get themselves attention....so what we are left with is (waves hand) this. Unfortunately all we get anymore are the remnants of an imperfect system. And I have no doubt that if roles were reversed in this the right would've done the same thing. I'm not making allowances for Biden or Trump or anyone. I'm saying if we have a broken system, this is about as good as the broken system is going to get. Expecting full on bipartisan cooperation in a time where there is no incentive for people to act like that is a fool's errand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,154 Posted March 8, 2023 17 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: You are misinterpreting me...I want better from the leaders, I would encourage better from our leaders, but we don't get it because the edges of politics are louder...because the media wants to drive wedges as opposed to drive commonalities (and yes both sides of the 24/7 news divide do this)...because politicians know playing to the crazy bases on both sides is how they keep their name out there and get themselves attention....so what we are left with is (waves hand) this. Unfortunately all we get anymore are the remnants of an imperfect system. And I have no doubt that if roles were reversed in this the right would've done the same thing. I'm not making allowances for Biden or Trump or anyone. I'm saying if we have a broken system, this is about as good as the broken system is going to get. Expecting full on bipartisan cooperation in a time where there is no incentive for people to act like that is a fool's errand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted March 8, 2023 11 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: But you were perfectly fine when the other side spun it. Cool What other side? The Jan 6 committee was bipartisan. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,534 Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, RLLD said: I think the Dems did a good job ensuring the placement of only Republicans they knew would agree with them, while that is certainly not representing the will of the people it was rather effective at ensuring they projected the intended message. The model is akin to the "May 16 Notification” and ensuing actions as laid out by the Maoist regime. You can trace Democrat actions by the plan Mao executed. The Jan 6th event is the prelude to the ongoing unraveling of the "olds" as the Democrats have already defined. While Mao was doing all this he was also going after the kids, another tactic the liberals have already set in motion. Schools and universities were closed and churches, shrines, libraries, shops and private homes ransacked or destroyed as the assault on “feudal” traditions began. We can see the parallels between those actions of the murderous socialists and those of our own..... The main problem with your analysis, IMO, is that the Democrats wanted an investigation of January 6 by a full committee that would have consisted of a 50/50 bipartisan panel chosen by Pelosi and McCarthy- the usual way they do these things. But the Republicans voted against any investigation at all. That’s what led to the select committee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,001 Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The main problem with your analysis, IMO, is that the Democrats wanted an investigation of January 6 by a full committee that would have consisted of a 50/50 bipartisan panel chosen by Pelosi and McCarthy- the usual way they do these things. But the Republicans voted against any investigation at all. That’s what led to the select committee. So that excuses their one sided presentation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,534 Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So that excuses their one sided presentation? It helps to explain it. But the main reason the presentation was one sided is the same reason the Republicans refused to participate: because the truth in this instance is one-sided. There isn’t really any good defense for what happened on January 6, no two sides. That’s also the flaw with what Tucker is doing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted March 8, 2023 There's a lot more Republican Congressmen that are against Tucker Carlson's sham presentation than the Geek wannabe Republicans. It's been pretty obvious for sometime, now that the R-Geekies want so badly to not have Trump look like the POS that he is that they slam Biden and now run 6 pages deep defending this sham report. Guys, ... get over it. Pick a new Republican leader .. and leave the worst POS POTUS in history behind. I am so glad that he changed from a Democrat a few years ago to a Republican. He's not (too) dumb. He knew he'd NEVER be elected as a Democrat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,250 Posted March 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, dogcows said: What other side? The Jan 6 committee was bipartisan. lol ok bud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,250 Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, kozmiq said: There's a lot more Republican Congressmen that are against Tucker Carlson's sham presentation than the Geek wannabe Republicans. It's been pretty obvious for sometime, now that the R-Geekies want so badly to not have Trump look like the POS that he is that they slam Biden and now run 6 pages deep defending this sham report. Guys, ... get over it. Pick a new Republican leader .. and leave the worst POS POTUS in history behind. I am so glad that he changed from a Democrat a few years ago to a Republican. He's not (too) dumb. He knew he'd NEVER be elected as a Democrat. we dont care about trump, as a matter of fact if the DNC picked a new leader, Tulsi, Yang etc a lot of us would at least listen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted March 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: we dont care about trump, as a matter of fact if the DNC picked a new leader, Tulsi, Yang etc a lot of us would at least listen We ? Did you say we ? Again, I hear 'we' instead of 'I'. We're 7 pages deep defending Trump. Move on. Show your disdain for his actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,250 Posted March 8, 2023 Just now, kozmiq said: We ? Did you say we ? Again, I hear 'we' instead of 'I'. We're 7 pages deep defending Trump. Move on. Show your disdain feo his actions. which actions? trust me every conservative here would be just fine voting for someone else, but I still have yet to see an action that has been nothing but a lie from leftards Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: which actions? trust me every conservative here would be just fine voting for someone else, but I still have yet to see an action that has been nothing but a lie from leftards Lie ? It's 41,000 hours of video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,154 Posted March 8, 2023 45 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The main problem with your analysis, IMO, is that the Democrats wanted an investigation of January 6 by a full committee that would have consisted of a 50/50 bipartisan panel chosen by Pelosi and McCarthy- the usual way they do these things. But the Republicans voted against any investigation at all. That’s what led to the select committee. That the committee transpired is good, this is what we want. That the Democrats made sure those who might challenge them were pointedly excluded is less good, and diminishes the credibility of the proceedings. The Republicans opposed it for sure, likely due mostly to political reasons, which is wrong. It was wrong when they did this, and it was wrong when the DOJ and others obstructed the investigation into the Hunter laptop as it pertains to evidence of quid-pro-quo actions by the President with foreign entities. I applaud the Jan 6th tribunal. Liberals, and the rest of the scared little kittens, got what they wanted, we all won because power was investigated. For the last two years, the common people have not merely suffered, but done so while government beaurocracy and media protect malfeasance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,250 Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, kozmiq said: Lie ? It's 41,000 hours of video. yes lie, what did TRUMP do, not random people doing somethings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: That the committee transpired is good, this is what we want. That the Democrats made sure those who might challenge them were pointedly excluded is less good, and diminishes the credibility of the proceedings. The Republicans opposed it for sure, likely due mostly to political reasons, which is wrong. It was wrong when they did this, and it was wrong when the DOJ and others obstructed the investigation into the Hunter laptop as it pertains to evidence of quid-pro-quo actions by the President with foreign entities. I applaud the Jan 6th tribunal. Liberals, and the rest of the scared little kittens, got what they wanted, we all won because power was investigated. For the last two years, the common people have not merely suffered, but done so while government beaurocracy and media protect malfeasance. That's just a catchphrase for Republicans. You have a majority in the House .. get on with it. They don't (won't) cause there's nothing there .. EXCEPT a catchphrase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said: I remember watching video on January the 6th of the swarm coming up on the capitol. It reminded me of an old miovie where army ants were swarming towards some ranch compounfd in the amazon. they crossed irrigation ditches, waited out a fire brealk and then hit the walls,piling up and then ascending. I've seen that scene repeated in zombie movies and in some ridiculous matt damon on the great wall movie. When you find yourself enacting scenes from cheesy movies it may be time to evaluate what in the world you are up to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,624 Posted March 8, 2023 Was there even video of Tonya Harding's ex-husband's attack on Nancy Kerrigan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,154 Posted March 8, 2023 6 minutes ago, kozmiq said: That's just a catchphrase for Republicans. You have a majority in the House .. get on with it. They don't (won't) cause there's nothing there .. EXCEPT a catchphrase. A catchphrase. So then, if I decide that January 6th is "just a catchphrase" then that is also fine? Are you sure that is the standard you want to follow? I am happy to follow that of course, and declare everything and anything liberals trot out, and which I disagree with, as nothing more than a "catchphrase". Alternatively.......perhaps we could consider another track. What if, we instead, acknowledge that Republicans and Democrats are all self-serving narcissists who are behaving to serve their own self interests at our expense? What if we tried that instead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kozmiq 70 Posted March 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, RLLD said: A catchphrase. So then, if I decide that January 6th is "just a catchphrase" then that is also fine? Are you sure that is the standard you want to follow? I am happy to follow that of course, and declare everything and anything liberals trot out, and which I disagree with, as nothing more than a "catchphrase". Alternatively.......perhaps we could consider another track. What if, we instead, acknowledge that Republicans and Democrats are all self-serving narcissists who are behaving to serve their own self interests at our expense? What if we tried that instead? Been saying THAT for years ! It's not Dems vs Repubs .. it's our elected Leaders vs Us. Been saying it for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,154 Posted March 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, kozmiq said: Been saying THAT for years ! It's not Dems vs Repubs .. it's our elected Leaders vs Us. Been saying it for years. Yep. And I call each out where I believe I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, KSB2424 said: I believe Dems would be ok with the video being released publicly. Instead it was given exclusively to the weird Fox dude with a bow tie. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,001 Posted March 8, 2023 Libtards are mad because it’s being presented by a partisan from outside the government because they already saw the video presented by a partisan from outside the government so they don’t need to see any of the things they didn’t see. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,820 Posted March 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Libtards are mad because it’s being presented by a partisan from outside the government because they already saw the video presented by a partisan from outside the government so they don’t need to see any of the things they didn’t see. It's surreal how limited the minds of liberals are. They really think everyone is as stupid as they are. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,408 Posted March 8, 2023 What idiot didn't know that the dems lied their asses off about January 6th? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites