Marine doing Marine sh!t

[thegeneral 2,889]

15 minutes ago, nobody said:

Weren't there reports that the dude was threatening passengers?  That's enough to warrant a response.  In fact, in some states his threats and his gestures could be considered assault.

In NY the response has to be deemed proportional. 

[jonnyutah 248]

32 minutes ago, squistion said:

Behavior that was not violent.

And he had no idea of Neely's track record, so he had no real basis to be judge, jury and executioner simply because Neely was being loud and disruptive on the subway, something that shouldn't merit the death penalty (although some people seem to think it should). 

It is like you read, but can't process. So then you just repeat yourself. 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

18 minutes ago, nobody said:

Weren't there reports that the dude was threatening passengers?  That's enough to warrant a response.  In fact, in some states his threats and his gestures could be considered assault.

 

 

Judge Pirro points out, correctly, that on a subway train, there's nowhere to go. That there's no guarantee a NYPD officer might be on the train itself. And there's no reasonable expectation that you can reach out to law enforcement quickly and/or if they will respond in a timely manner given the practical logistics of being underground. 

A large part of this will be the potential responses of other people on that train with Penny. Part of mobilizing the "protestors" so quickly for the DNC and via Hochul and Bragg, is to send a message that it won't just be Penny that's going to be targeted, if you step forward to defend Penny's actions and you were on that train, you'll get hunted down as well. In which case, Gutfield in the video above points out the "extortion" angle. 

That if the jury doesn't run Penny over the rails, that NYC will simply burn over it. 

But this also works in reverse, and The Five didn't cover it. The subway in NY is the lifeblood to get workers to their jobs. If you run Penny over the rails legally for this, the entire DNC plus all the Team Blue elected officials in NY will have to face that many people won't ride the trains anymore. This gets pushback from major political donors, who have ties to many of the businesses in NY. 

If Penny is convicted, while that might avoid a mass riot, and the ancillary burning and looting that follows, then it's a message to NYers that they are expendable out in public. 

Here's the problem long term with that. Most of the radical leftists here in the GC are not lawyers. They don't understand that law. But most also don't understand basic history. All across recorded human history, when governments refuse or are unable to effect basic civil order, some form of "surrogate" system will naturally emerge. So it won't just be possible vigilante groups killing career criminals and the homeless, it's a pathway for those people to keep killing. One of the reasons the ancient Romans kept the street gangs fighting each other is because if they got truly organized, eventually they'd start killing the politicians and their families. 

That's the nightmare scenario for everyone. A private group decides to start picking off drug dealers and shoplifters and homeless people who are showing threat to innocents. Then they decide to go further than that. 

Small dollar donations for Team Blue took a huge spike in 2019 and 2020. Then have dropped dramatically. No one gives political donations in a bad economy and when it's clear the current administration is looking to punish the average working class person. The DNC might just push to have Penny let off simply to try to jump start and salvage the small dollar political donations they are still getting right now. 

Pirro made one last point that is undeniable - A NY jury will likely be compromised of people who ride the subway system. It's a lot harder to sell identity politics above all else to internal NYers, who have firsthand experience with what is failing in NY, than to outsiders who are just triggered by whatever is said in the national daily media cycle. 

You cannot declare open war on the working class, not long term, and hope to survive. I said "survive" and not just winning some random election. Recorded history has shown that you keep putting your boot on the necks of the working class long enough, eventually they get sick of it and come to kill the people in charge. 

[HellToupee 1,583]

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Review and Outlook: A crowdfunded defense fund now exceeds $2 million for a 24-year-old Marine veteran who intervened to subdue a mentally ill man behaving erratically on the New York City subway. Images: Reuters/Zuma Press/Getty Images Composite: Mark Kelly

When Daniel Penny stepped forward on a New York subway to protect his fellow commuters from an obviously deranged man, the former Marine sergeant couldn’t have imagined that two weeks later he’d be perp-walked in handcuffs before news cameras outside Manhattan’s Fifth Precinct.

In one of the worst decisions by one of America’s worst prosecutors, Alvin Bragg on Friday charged Mr. Penny, 24, with second-degree manslaughter. The charge alleges Mr. Penny killed Jordan Neely, 30, by acting recklessly in keeping him in a chokehold too long. Neely was familiar to authorities from his long rap sheet and his presence on a list of the top 50 homeless New Yorkers most in need of help.

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Daniel Penny should not be convicted. 
 

But the folks rooting for him, here and elsewhere, are so disgusting, so borderline racist (or in some cases just blatantly racist), so incredibly ugly and offensive that it really makes it hard to be on the same side as them. Makes me want to vomit, honestly. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,918]

27 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Daniel Penny should not be convicted. 
 

But the folks rooting for him, here and elsewhere, are so disgusting, so borderline racist (or in some cases just blatantly racist), so incredibly ugly and offensive that it really makes it hard to be on the same side as them. Makes me want to vomit, honestly. 

You’re such a good person.  This place doesn’t deserve you.  

[Voltaire 5,182]

1 hour ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

Pirro made one last point that is undeniable - A NY jury will likely be compromised of people who ride the subway system. It's a lot harder to sell identity politics above all else to internal NYers, who have firsthand experience with what is failing in NY, than to outsiders who are just triggered by whatever is said in the national daily media cycle. 

You cannot declare open war on the working class, not long term, and hope to survive. I said "survive" and not just winning some random election. Recorded history has shown that you keep putting your boot on the necks of the working class long enough, eventually they get sick of it and come to kill the people in charge. 

I sure hope so, but who knows what the NYC "justice" system will puke up.

NYC residents are demented. Penny could wind up with a jury consisting of dogcows, The Joker, gutterboy, Al Sharpton, squistion, AOC,  thegeneral, The Penguin and Jordan Neely 2.0.

[thegeneral 2,889]

18 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I sure hope so, but who knows what the NYC "justice" system will puke up.

NYC residents are demented. Penny could wind up with a jury consisting of dogcows, The Joker, gutterboy, Al Sharpton, squistion, AOC,  thegeneral, The Penguin and Jordan Neely 2.0.

No clue how I got on this list

Unlike most, this guy will have the best defense money can buy. I would love to be on this jury, will be an interesting case. 

[dogcows 1,030]

4 hours ago, thegeneral said:

No clue how I got on this list

Unlike most, this guy will have the best defense money can buy. I would love to be on this jury, will be an interesting case. 

Seems more similar to a road rage killing than anything else. Penny was pissed at the guy, so he got violent with him. Then he pretends it’s about protecting the other passengers.

There are justifications for killing. This is FAR from one of them. I doubt it will be a difficult verdict, but some jurors might think this weak justification is sufficient to excuse killing another man.

[RLLD 4,143]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Daniel Penny should not be convicted. 
 

But the folks rooting for him, here and elsewhere, are so disgusting, so borderline racist (or in some cases just blatantly racist), so incredibly ugly and offensive that it really makes it hard to be on the same side as them. Makes me want to vomit, honestly. 

This is perhaps where you and I diverge.  Rather than assess this based on prejudice against or antagonistic toward people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group I see a Marine doing his thing and doing it well. 

I appreciate the move and while this move is something we would do in training I never saw it result in a death, so that is unusual....but when it happens to someone with a criminal record as this cat had....I consider it a plus.   I do not care what that person looked like, as you do, because basing our view on skin color is well....racist....

[Hardcore troubadour 14,918]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Seems more similar to a road rage killing than anything else. Penny was pissed at the guy, so he got violent with him. Then he pretends it’s about protecting the other passengers.

There are justifications for killing. This is FAR from one of them. I doubt it will be a difficult verdict, but some jurors might think this weak justification is sufficient to excuse killing another man.

You seem very concerned about the mentally ill homeless man that died now that he’s dead. Could have used you and your concern before he died. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You seem very concerned about the mentally ill homeless man that died now that he’s dead. Could have used you and your concern before he died. 

His death has value, his life did not.... that is liberalism

[KSB2424 3,148]

7 hours ago, thegeneral said:

In NY the response has to be deemed proportional. 

Correct, one has to wait to be killed to respond in kind. 
 

Wait…..

[Gladiators 1,963]

25 minutes ago, RLLD said:

His death has value, his life did not.... that is liberalism

Bingo

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Hopefully the jury makes the correct decision based on the evidence.  Let the process take it's course.

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

I have not yet seen other video from that subway car on that day.  Maybe I have missed it.  I would ber interested in some context here.  Video prior to the intervention by the defendant.  Testimony to the behavior of the deceased.  I have seen speculation and general statements, but i want to know about the deceased actions, demeanor, and statements immediately preceeding the event.

 

Does anybody have a link?  Were there any 911 calls recorded contemporaneously?  Any other passenger video, which seems likely in this day and age.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,918]

43 minutes ago, RLLD said:

His death has value, his life did not.... that is liberalism

They can tell you right off the bat that poverty is the underlying reason for crime. Yet they show no such interest in the underlying cause for this situation.  

[RLLD 4,143]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They can tell you right off the bat that poverty is the underlying reason for crime. Yet they show no such interest in the underlying cause for this situation.  

Maybe. I mean, they sure do pretend to care.  But their responses to it lack any credible benefit other than to their own sense of moral superiority. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Daniel Penny should not be convicted. 
 

But the folks rooting for him, here and elsewhere, are so disgusting, so borderline racist (or in some cases just blatantly racist), so incredibly ugly and offensive that it really makes it hard to be on the same side as them. Makes me want to vomit, honestly. 

If you took your sh!tlib filtered glasses off once in a while, you would see who the blatant racists are. It’s the ones that started calling this guy a white supremacist before any of the evidence came out. It’s the ones that filtered out the black guy also holding him down. It’s the ones that ignore his violent priors. It’s the ones that refuse sworn affidavits that Neely was screaming he was going to shoot people. It’s the ones that charged him with murder and it’s the ones that perp walked him for a photo op after he surrendered. 

The rest of us see it for what it is. Once again an abuse of justice and more desecrations of our civil liberties and also lumping every white infraction together and labeling them white supremacy. They need their white on black crime for their narratives because the other way is totally lopsided and you eat that crap for breakfast.
 

 

[thegeneral 2,889]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

Correct, one has to wait to be killed to respond in kind. 
 

Wait…..

If people on the train say they thought their lives were in danger that would probably do it. 

If they say otherwise or people during the 15 minutes were telling him to stop that would hurt his story.

I don’t see why people find this so hard to get:

[thegeneral 2,889]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Seems more similar to a road rage killing than anything else. Penny was pissed at the guy, so he got violent with him. Then he pretends it’s about protecting the other passengers.

There are justifications for killing. This is FAR from one of them. I doubt it will be a difficult verdict, but some jurors might think this weak justification is sufficient to excuse killing another man.

The stuff I have read is people said the guy was threatening passengers and was acting like a lunatic. People don’t have to deal with that.

Fifteen minutes is also a long time and I had read there were people telling him to chill out. 

I would guess now he would get some lesser charge or nothing.

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, Dizkneelande said:

If you took your sh!tlib filtered glasses off once in a while, you would see who the blatant racists are. It’s the ones that started calling this guy a white supremacist before any of the evidence came out. It’s the ones that filtered out the black guy also holding him down. It’s the ones that ignore his violent priors. It’s the ones that refuse sworn affidavits that Neely was screaming he was going to shoot people. It’s the ones that charged him with murder and it’s the ones that perp walked him for a photo op after he surrendered. 

The rest of us see it for what it is. Once again an abuse of justice and more desecrations of our civil liberties and also lumping every white infraction together and labeling them white supremacy. They need their white on black crime for their narratives because the other way is totally lopsided and you eat that crap for breakfast.

I haven’t seen anybody claim that the Marine is a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi or anything like that. Seems like you imagined it so you could have a platform for your own racial grievances.

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

22 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I haven’t seen anybody claim that the Marine is a white supremacist or a neo-Nazi or anything like that. Seems like you imagined it so you could have a platform for your own racial grievances.

There are people on social media saying that all he wanted to do was kill a black man and everything else is just an excuse.  It's a ridiculous opinion but it's out there.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,918]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There are people on social media saying that all he wanted to do was kill a black man and everything else is just an excuse.  It's a ridiculous opinion but it's out there.

You need to take a break from social media. It’s not a reliable gauge and you shouldn’t base your opinions on it.  

[Hawkeye21 2,380]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You need to take a break from social media. It’s not a reliable gauge and you shouldn’t base your opinions on it.  

I'm not basing an opinion on social media.  All I did was relay the opinions of others that are on social media. There are people who are saying it.

I know you have some sort of a vendetta against me but you can give it a rest.

[squistion 1,944]

16 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So he wasn’t violent , and Penny just went after him for no reason? Was he just moonwalking and saying hee- he like MJ? Why wasn’t he charged with murder? 

No, he wasn't violent. Penny went after him because he was screaming and being loud and disruptive on the subway, which for New Yorkers is not an unusual occurrence from what I have been told.

He was charged with second degree manslaughter instead of murder probably because they would have trouble proving the requisite intent.

[paulinstl 296]

 At what point was the threat from the crazy black dude over? How much longer did the Marine keep the choke hold on him after that point? 

[edjr 6,578]

All you need to know about America and how focked up it is. 

People are rooting for a hero, who served his country, to go to prison for accidentally killing a man that had been arrested over 30 times, who was harassing people on a Subway.

How is this even political? The left is a bunch of sick focks that will stop at nothing to push their agenda.

 

[edjr 6,578]

1 minute ago, paulinstl said:

 At what point was the threat from the crazy black dude over? How much longer did the Marine keep the choke hold on him after that point? 

Till the next time he did it and no one was there who gave a sh1t. The marine wasn't the only person that intervened.  Hopefully will be someone from your family that is harassed next time a sick homeless mental freak decides to act up. 

[squistion 1,944]

16 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

It is like you read, but can't process. So then you just repeat yourself. 

I repeat myself when people keep ignoring the reported facts and parrot right wing misinformation and talking points about what happened, plus not addressing the implications of what this mean to our society is vigilante behavior like that is deemed acceptable or legal.

[paulinstl 296]

Just now, edjr said:

Till the next time he did it and no one was there who gave a sh1t. The marine wasn't the only person that intervened. 

The threat had passed. At that point, let the law do the rest. 

[Reality 3,092]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

All you need to know about America and how focked up it is. 

People are rooting for a hero, who served his country, to go to prison for accidentally killing a man that had been arrested over 30 times, who was harassing people on a Subway.

How is this even political? The left is a bunch of sick focks that will stop at nothing to push their agenda.

 

Nailed it. Political pieces of actual shlt.

[edjr 6,578]

1 minute ago, paulinstl said:

The threat had passed. At that point, let the law do the rest. 

The law had done so well the 1st 30 times. 

Christ I hate getting involved in this. but is anyone paying attention? This isn't Derek Chauvin. 

[paulinstl 296]

Just now, edjr said:

The law had done so well the 1st 30 times. 

I agree, but it has nothing to do with this. A person died at the hands of another. Was it justifiable? If it reaches trial, the jury is gonna want answers to those questions.

[Gladiators 1,963]

6 minutes ago, edjr said:

All you need to know about America and how focked up it is. 

People are rooting for a hero, who served his country, to go to prison for accidentally killing a man that had been arrested over 30 times, who was harassing people on a Subway.

How is this even political? The left is a bunch of sick focks that will stop at nothing to push their agenda.

 

Oh look, another white supremacist!

[edjr 6,578]

Just now, Gladiators said:

Oh look, another white supremacist!

my hood is at the cleaners. 

[squistion 1,944]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

All you need to know about America and how focked up it is. 

People are rooting for a hero, who served his country, to go to prison for accidentally killing a man that had been arrested over 30 times, who was harassing people on a Subway.

How is this even political? The left is a bunch of sick focks that will stop at nothing to push their agenda.

 How? For the same reasons the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman became political discussions.

And serving your country does not give one a license to be a vigilante and kill people on public transit who you find disruptive.

[Gladiators 1,963]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

my hood is at the cleaners. 

#minetoo

[paulinstl 296]

The background of the crazy dude or the Marine have absolutely no bearing on this case. The only question is, did the Marine go too far?

[edjr 6,578]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

 How? For the same reasons the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman became political discussions.

And serving your country does not give one a license to be a vigilante and kill people on public transit who you find disruptive.

Apples to Bowling balls. Pretty sure they were using guns. They were looking for trouble.  This guy was minding his business.

When some liberal puss is sitting on a subway crying, because they're getting picked on,  boy are they going to wish there was someone to intervene.