How do people still defend and vote for Dems

[BillyKing 83]

I’m honestly curious why anyone would willingly vote for them now. They’ve been caught in blatant lies, they’re pushing pedophilia, they’re pushing sexualization of kids, want Americans to have less freedoms, want gov and companies telling you what to think and do, have bank records of the actual president accepting money from China, etc. The list literally goes on and on. Every day that passes something new about either illegal activity by the Dems or them pushing a convicted rapist to be in a political office or them pushing for more kids to be sexualized. How can people, especially on this website, claim they’re “moral” and “want what’s best for America” yet they’re supporting this atrocious and obvious attempt to destroy our society and democracy. Baffles my mind. I know the republicans aren’t good and have corrupt people on their side but it is OVERWHELMINGLY the democrats who are like that and they’re unapologetic about it. In fact, they think they’re so morally superior they don’t see anything wrong with wanting to bang a child 

[posty 2,613]

Same way that people defend and vote for Republicans...

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, posty said:

Same way that people defend and vote for Republicans...

This,

We all have unique views and interpretations of the world.  None of us are entirely correct and none of us are entirely wrong.

 

[seafoam1 2,804]

Have you read what the liberals say on this site alone? They are all idiots. That's why they do what they do. Pure stupidity.

[zsasz 362]

Liberals, aside from the 2nd Amendment, are much less hypocritical than the modern Conservative leadership and rabid rank and file.  

If the new Conservative movement had a come to Jesus moment in regards to their hypocritical nature....I'd be more open to vote for them. 

[MDC 7,148]

Are you the terrible former GM of the Sixers and Nets?  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

Just now, zsasz said:

Liberals, aside from the 2nd Amendment, are much less hypocritical than the modern Conservative leadership and rabid rank and file.  

If the new Conservative movement had a come to Jesus moment in regards to their hypocritical nature....I'd be more open to vote for them. 

That’s ok. You stay right where you are. You belong with the ignorant bigots on the left.  Don’t want you. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

24 minutes ago, BillyKing said:

I’m honestly curious why anyone would willingly vote for them now. They’ve been caught in blatant lies, they’re pushing pedophilia, they’re pushing sexualization of kids, want Americans to have less freedoms, want gov and companies telling you what to think and do, have bank records of the actual president accepting money from China, etc. The list literally goes on and on. Every day that passes something new about either illegal activity by the Dems or them pushing a convicted rapist to be in a political office or them pushing for more kids to be sexualized. How can people, especially on this website, claim they’re “moral” and “want what’s best for America” yet they’re supporting this atrocious and obvious attempt to destroy our society and democracy. Baffles my mind. I know the republicans aren’t good and have corrupt people on their side but it is OVERWHELMINGLY the democrats who are like that and they’re unapologetic about it. In fact, they think they’re so morally superior they don’t see anything wrong with wanting to bang a child 

I don't think liberals actually believe all of this, or they don't think it's happening on as large of scale like conservatives make it sound.  Liberals and conservatives really aren't that different from each other.  Both ignore certain things and only focusing on what they care about.

[seafoam1 2,804]

4 minutes ago, zsasz said:

Liberals, aside from the 2nd Amendment, are much less hypocritical than the modern Conservative leadership and rabid rank and file.  

If the new Conservative movement had a come to Jesus moment in regards to their hypocritical nature....I'd be more open to vote for them. 

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

I want Americans to have more freedoms. For instance the freedom to have an abortion, or to be a transgender without discrimination, or the freedom to be in this country without proper papers, or the freedom to trade with other countries without tariffs. I’m all about freedom. 

[thegeneral 2,929]

42 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This,

We all have unique views and interpretations of the world.  None of us are entirely correct and none of us are entirely wrong.

 

Yep.

Rants like the one in the OP are born from partisan hack entertainers, hucksters, and churn on social media. 

[weepaws 3,157]

1 hour ago, posty said:

Same way that people defend and vote for Republicans...

Correct. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

liberalism is a cult. 

a lot of democrats i know no longer apply critical thinking but blindly trust CNN / the liberal MSM.  if you say anything outside of their dogma, they insult you as a blind follower of fox news / rush limbaugh / tuck carlson.  if you ask them to look at evidence supporting their claim, they refuse.  if you say just look a video of nancy pelosi calling for violence, or joe biden threatening to punch trump, they will refuse to look and tell you to stop talking.

they worship at the altar of the democrat party and neither debate nor dialogue is allowed.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

53 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think liberals actually believe all of this, or they don't think it's happening on as large of scale like conservatives make it sound.  Liberals and conservatives really aren't that different from each other.  Both ignore certain things and only focusing on what they care about.

i really dont see any of that.  i can show both sides to a non-liberal and they will listen.  liberals will shout you down the second you say anything outside of the liberal world view.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

i remember there was a good tv show once of a liberal living with conservatives and a conservative living with liberals.  the conservative was polite, kind, and tried to respect the liberals point of view.  the liberal basically went to war against the conservatives, tried to shut them down, was constantly rude.  at the end of the series they showed each group how it went with the other side and the liberal was utterly embarrassed.   i forget what show that was.  but 9 times out of 10, thats how it is.

this get exposed on college campuses all the time as well.  the liberals, once they get control. try to ban and shut down anyone not on the right.  if a conservative speaker comes to campus, the liberals try to disrupt the destroy the event.  you almost never see it the other way around.  to ever suggest conservatives do it too is ridiculous.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

i really dont see any of that.  i can show both sides to a non-liberal and they will listen.  liberals will shout you down the second you say anything outside of the liberal world view.

I've had the same experience with liberals and conservatives.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I've had the same experience with liberals and conservatives.  

when a liberal speaker visits a college to speak, they dont face a fraction of what conservatives face.  to say its the same experience is an outright lie and you know it.  it tells the entire forum exactly where your blind spot is.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

when a liberal speaker visits a college to speak, they dont face a fraction of what conservatives face.  to say its the same experience is an outright lie and you know it.  it tells the entire forum exactly where your blind spot is.

Is this another, I know we do it but not as much as them, excuse?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

why is it that people vote for a labor union via secret ballot?  because the left is focking violent and they run these labor unions.  before it was secret ballot, the left would target anyone who voted against the labor union and attack or kill them, destroy their homes, etc.  labor unions always fight against secret ballot vote as well, specifically so they can threaten and harass people who vote against.  the left is filled with thugs seeking power.  dont even compare that to what nonliberals do.

[The Real timschochet 6,447]

34 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

liberalism is a cult. 

a lot of democrats i know no longer apply critical thinking but blindly trust CNN / the liberal MSM.  if you say anything outside of their dogma, they insult you as a blind follower of fox news / rush limbaugh / tuck carlson.  if you ask them to look at evidence supporting their claim, they refuse.  if you say just look a video of nancy pelosi calling for violence, or joe biden threatening to punch trump, they will refuse to look and tell you to stop talking.

they worship at the altar of the democrat party and neither debate nor dialogue is allowed.

$5000 is on the table that says this cult gets re-elected. Why are you afraid to stand by your convictions? 

[thegeneral 2,929]

I smell chicken!

[seafoam1 2,804]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How did your bathing go today, seafoam! Did you get all the various folds and flaps swabbed down?

Down goes Biden!! 

[thegeneral 2,929]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Down goes Biden!! 

The word is watching old men is your thing. NTTATWWT!

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

2 hours ago, BillyKing said:

I’m honestly curious why anyone would willingly vote for them now.

 

It's a good question

1) Low information voters ( the average American adult is spending very little time on national politics and the majority of them get their daily current events/news from social media, which nearly all leans hard activist left) 

2) Legacy voters ( if your closest social group, your general career field and your family all lean voting a certain way, odds are you will go into that direction too. Same for getting a college education, smoking or being a single parent. Certainly there are outliers, but these trends happen for a reason. It also explains why the hard push exists to sexualize children in public schools, 79 percent of all LGBT voters in 2020 voted for Democrats. AT MINIMUM from exit polling. Since LGBT can't have children of their own, they need to indoctrinate yours instead) 

3) Single issue voters ( some will vote solely on something like abortion, or gun control, or climate change, etc, etc) 

4) People voting AGAINST TRUMP but not directly for Biden ( basically put anyone up against Biden in 2024 not named Trump and the GOP and Republicans win POTUS) 

 

******

 

And you have to create two separates lanes here. Why it happened in 2020 and why it might or might not happen in 2024

White Evangelical Voters - Will not be happy with Team Blue's stances on abortion and what's going on in public schools

Suburban Women Voters - Transgenders in sports plus inflation hitting gasoline and grocery costs, plus lack of law and order in many major areas is going to hit Team Blue hard here

Military Vote - Afghanistan was a total disaster. Leaving billions in high tech weapons, paid for with our tax dollars, to hand them over to terrorists, to kill generations of future American soldiers. 

Law Enforcement Vote - Rioting, looting and burning in 2020, Defund The Police and the general antagonism against LEOs in modern society, mostly coming from the hard left and the Progressives, but still clearly a Team Blue problem. 

Asian Voters - Typically later generations of college educated Asian Americans will vote Democrat. However, given "equity" and DEI that has gone to exclude Asians from being too successful is going to backfire for Team Blue. Also the violence against Asians, mostly from blacks, that is routinely ignored in Big Blue Cities is a problem

Hispanic/Latino Voters - The "pro-trans" extremism will drive away older voters here, but the false tease of student loan forgiveness and widespread 15 dollar minimum wage, plus the shutdowns that locked their kids out of school, and add in Jill Biden calling them "breakfast tacos" won't help. 

Pro Life Democrats - They are about 15-22 million strong in America, and if they operate as "single issue voters", they might flip for Republicans just to make sure Roe is never codified into federal law. Many might be low information voters on other issues, but the majority of them are high information on the abortion issue. Meaning Team Blue , like with the Woman's Health Protection Act, are showing signs of extremism in their policy BEYOND what most Americans are polled to approve of regarding abortion rights. 

The two major issues right now hurting Team Blue will be the economy/inflation and the Border Crisis. However the abortion issue will hurt the GOP come 2024.  Will parents worry more about the kids they can't feed today over the kids they might or might not have in the future? 

If it's Trump vs Biden 2.0 in 2024, odds are that Biden will win. As insane and idiotic as that becomes. 

If Trump manages to win, he will clearly engage in a "revenge tour" and go scorched earth against anyone perceived as an "enemy"

Put it this way, REMOVE TRUMP from professional politics, via someone else winning the RNC ticket in the 2024 primaries and Team Blue has nothing left. Most of what they have is hating Trump. Once you take that away, it's much easier to see how badly they've run this entire country into the ground. 

[seafoam1 2,804]

19 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The word is watching old men is your thing. NTTATWWT!

The word is 'Splat'. Can't wait for more of it. 

[MDC 7,148]

19 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

It's a good question

1) Low information voters ( the average American adult is spending very little time on national politics and the majority of them get their daily current events/news from social media, which nearly all leans hard activist left) 

2) Legacy voters ( if your closest social group, your general career field and your family all lean voting a certain way, odds are you will go into that direction too. Same for getting a college education, smoking or being a single parent. Certainly there are outliers, but these trends happen for a reason. It also explains why the hard push exists to sexualize children in public schools, 79 percent of all LGBT voters in 2020 voted for Democrats. AT MINIMUM from exit polling. Since LGBT can't have children of their own, they need to indoctrinate yours instead) 

3) Single issue voters ( some will vote solely on something like abortion, or gun control, or climate change, etc, etc) 

4) People voting AGAINST TRUMP but not directly for Biden ( basically put anyone up against Biden in 2024 not named Trump and the GOP and Republicans win POTUS) 

 

******

 

And you have to create two separates lanes here. Why it happened in 2020 and why it might or might not happen in 2024

White Evangelical Voters - Will not be happy with Team Blue's stances on abortion and what's going on in public schools

Suburban Women Voters - Transgenders in sports plus inflation hitting gasoline and grocery costs, plus lack of law and order in many major areas is going to hit Team Blue hard here

Military Vote - Afghanistan was a total disaster. Leaving billions in high tech weapons, paid for with our tax dollars, to hand them over to terrorists, to kill generations of future American soldiers. 

Law Enforcement Vote - Rioting, looting and burning in 2020, Defund The Police and the general antagonism against LEOs in modern society, mostly coming from the hard left and the Progressives, but still clearly a Team Blue problem. 

Asian Voters - Typically later generations of college educated Asian Americans will vote Democrat. However, given "equity" and DEI that has gone to exclude Asians from being too successful is going to backfire for Team Blue. Also the violence against Asians, mostly from blacks, that is routinely ignored in Big Blue Cities is a problem

Hispanic/Latino Voters - The "pro-trans" extremism will drive away older voters here, but the false tease of student loan forgiveness and widespread 15 dollar minimum wage, plus the shutdowns that locked their kids out of school, and add in Jill Biden calling them "breakfast tacos" won't help. 

Pro Life Democrats - They are about 15-22 million strong in America, and if they operate as "single issue voters", they might flip for Republicans just to make sure Roe is never codified into federal law. Many might be low information voters on other issues, but the majority of them are high information on the abortion issue. Meaning Team Blue , like with the Woman's Health Protection Act, are showing signs of extremism in their policy BEYOND what most Americans are polled to approve of regarding abortion rights. 

The two major issues right now hurting Team Blue will be the economy/inflation and the Border Crisis. However the abortion issue will hurt the GOP come 2024.  Will parents worry more about the kids they can't feed today over the kids they might or might not have in the future? 

If it's Trump vs Biden 2.0 in 2024, odds are that Biden will win. As insane and idiotic as that becomes. 

If Trump manages to win, he will clearly engage in a "revenge tour" and go scorched earth against anyone perceived as an "enemy"

Put it this way, REMOVE TRUMP from professional politics, via someone else winning the RNC ticket in the 2024 primaries and Team Blue has nothing left. Most of what they have is hating Trump. Once you take that away, it's much easier to see how badly they've run this entire country into the ground. 

Nobody is beating Trump in the GOP primary and even if they did, there’s a pretty good chance he goes full retard on the Republican Party. Like it or not, it’s Biden vs. Trump again.

Sad!  

[seafoam1 2,804]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Nobody is beating Trump in the GOP primary and even if they did, there’s a pretty good chance he goes full retard on the Republican Party. Like it or not, it’s Biden vs. Trump again.

Sad!  

Says the fetterman lover. 

[taco breath 424]

3 hours ago, BillyKing said:

I’m honestly curious why anyone would willingly vote for them now. They’ve been caught in blatant lies, they’re pushing pedophilia, they’re pushing sexualization of kids, want Americans to have less freedoms, want gov and companies telling you what to think and do, have bank records of the actual president accepting money from China, etc. The list literally goes on and on. Every day that passes something new about either illegal activity by the Dems or them pushing a convicted rapist to be in a political office or them pushing for more kids to be sexualized. How can people, especially on this website, claim they’re “moral” and “want what’s best for America” yet they’re supporting this atrocious and obvious attempt to destroy our society and democracy. Baffles my mind. I know the republicans aren’t good and have corrupt people on their side but it is OVERWHELMINGLY the democrats who are like that and they’re unapologetic about it. In fact, they think they’re so morally superior they don’t see anything wrong with wanting to bang a child 

who are you?

[HellToupee 1,596]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

$5000 is on the table that says this cult gets re-elected. Why are you afraid to stand by your convictions? 

You and your bet schtick, are you day drinking or something?

[Fnord 2,053]

24 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

Put it this way, REMOVE TRUMP from professional politics, via someone else winning the RNC ticket in the 2024 primaries and Team Blue has nothing left.

I consider the rest of your post highly partisan, hard-right, deep-red wishcasting. But the above is full-on truth, which makes the choices of the MAGAmooks that much more confusing to those of us that don't worship the false idolatry of Trump. These idjits are just going to guarantee another 4 years of Biden, which essentially NOBODY wants, because they are so beholden to the lies. It's pure insanity. 

[thegeneral 2,929]

17 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

The word is 'Splat'. Can't wait for more of it. 

A big day for you! 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

16 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I consider the rest of your post highly partisan, hard-right, deep-red wishcasting. 

 

Be SPECIFIC

I'm open to hearing what in my previous post that you consider to be "hard partisan" and "hard right" and "deep-red wishcasting" 

[Fireballer 2,639]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I want Americans to have more freedoms. For instance the freedom to have an abortion, or to be a transgender without discrimination, or the freedom to be in this country without proper papers, or the freedom to trade with other countries without tariffs. I’m all about freedom. 

Tell me more about Americans being in the country without proper papers

[MDC 7,148]

38 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Says the fetterman lover. 

You think Trump is going to lose, Crapman?

[Wade Garrett 155]

4 hours ago, BillyKing said:

I’m honestly curious why anyone would willingly vote for them now. They’ve been caught in blatant lies, they’re pushing pedophilia, they’re pushing sexualization of kids, want Americans to have less freedoms, want gov and companies telling you what to think and do, have bank records of the actual president accepting money from China, etc. The list literally goes on and on. Every day that passes something new about either illegal activity by the Dems or them pushing a convicted rapist to be in a political office or them pushing for more kids to be sexualized. How can people, especially on this website, claim they’re “moral” and “want what’s best for America” yet they’re supporting this atrocious and obvious attempt to destroy our society and democracy. Baffles my mind. I know the republicans aren’t good and have corrupt people on their side but it is OVERWHELMINGLY the democrats who are like that and they’re unapologetic about it. In fact, they think they’re so morally superior they don’t see anything wrong with wanting to bang a child 

lolol

You're like a bad parody of the dumbest MAGA voter...ok you're like a good example of a typical MAGA voter.

Better get back out and there boycott the Little Mermaid and Target!

Holy smokes...SMH

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

2 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

they worship at the altar of the democrat party and neither debate nor dialogue is allowed.

 

Here's where things get interesting.

During Obama's two terms, the DNC watched Team Blue get razed all down the ticket, particularly in critical state legislature houses. Which set the foundation for the rise of the FedSoc assembly line Conservative Catholics that now form a majority on SCOTUS. 

Nearly all Americans see great impact in their day to day lives from "local governance"  So small level down the ticket politics becomes critical in fundraising and how well the GOP or Team Blue can hold onto "safe districts" and flip other seats. The further down the ticket you go, the larger the impact of aggregated small dollar political donations. And given the ineptitude of Team Blue and the Biden Administration these past two and a half years, that financial spigot has ground to a full blown halt. 

Why does this matter? 

You can't rig a primary without down the ticket support. And Democrats in elected office lower to the ground will see greater personal utility in supporting RFK Jr over Biden/Harris/Tanden. Why did Kyrsten Sinema jump ship? She was Arizona. The Border Crisis there makes it impossible for her to win re-election if she blindly supports everything the establishment Democrats, the DNC and Biden Administration wants. She has to do, like all politicians, think about her own survival first. Same with Joe Manchin. He's in a heavily Red district and state. He was the lone Democrat to vote for Kavanaugh for SCOTUS. He has to think about the coal industry because it matters for his own political survival, he can't just jump on board for something like Green New Deal blindly. 

What's not being discussed is that, even with the majority of the MSM, Big Social Media, Hollywood, Big Education, the DNC and big corporate donors backing Biden/Harris again, it still might not be enough to stop RFK Jr. 

What's the long term impact of taking state legislature houses? Redistricting and gerrymandering. 

Even if Biden holds onto POTUS 2024, Team Blue still loses. You cannot declare open war on the every day working class and hope to survive it long term. 

A moderate Democrat like Abagail Spanberger looks like a terrorist to the activist radical left segment of Team Blue. But even if the GOP can't take 2024 POTUS, the pathway will be set for politicians like Spanberger and Katie Porter to emerge. 

Do you know what DNC HQ hates worse than a traditional Republican? A non woke Democrat that they can't control. 

[seafoam1 2,804]

51 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

A big day for you! 

It definitely was fun to watch. 

And my new project at work is coming together nicely as well. 

Yep. It was a good day. 

[seafoam1 2,804]

27 minutes ago, MDC said:

You think Trump is going to lose, Crapman?

wtf are you rambling about? Focking drunken spittle...

[thegeneral 2,929]

22 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

It definitely was fun to watch. 

And my new project at work is coming together nicely as well. 

Yep. It was a good day. 

Big presentation at the LARPIng convention?!?

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

Dems get the dead people vote it’s a pretty big constituency