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12 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

My kids iPhone has GPS. Just sayin'. 

 

3 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

How is the sub not equipped with some device that makes it easy to track?

Just read this:

A race against time: Less than a day of breathable air may be left on the vessel, based on agency officials’ latest estimate. Some parts of Titan are decidedly low-tech. Unlike a submarine, a submersible needs a mother ship to launch it, has fewer power reserves and can’t stay underwater as long. The ship communicates with the vessel by text messages, and it’s required to communicate every 15 minutes, according to OceanGate Expeditions’ archived website. “All those things we’re used to now – GPS, Wi-Fi, radio links – do not work under the ocean,” according to former Navy submarine officer Capt. J. Van Gurley.

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Should have hired some fifty something white guys with military experience.  

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43 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Just read this:

A race against time: Less than a day of breathable air may be left on the vessel, based on agency officials’ latest estimate. Some parts of Titan are decidedly low-tech. Unlike a submarine, a submersible needs a mother ship to launch it, has fewer power reserves and can’t stay underwater as long. The ship communicates with the vessel by text messages, and it’s required to communicate every 15 minutes, according to OceanGate Expeditions’ archived website. “All those things we’re used to now – GPS, Wi-Fi, radio links – do not work under the ocean,” according to former Navy submarine officer Capt. J. Van Gurley.

Hence the walkie-talkie comment.

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1 minute ago, wiffleball said:

Anybody want to guess how many people die scaling a certain Mountain every year?

7? 

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It just occurred to me that this would be an excellent way to fake your own death.

Presumably you go in a sub in a part of the ocean so deep almost no one can even look for your craft if you ended up losing power and sinking to the bottom.

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There is still a Malaysian jet missing that went in the ocean.  

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Interesting article about this submarine and the company: 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/21/missing-titanic-submarine-took-on-extreme-risk-amid-safety-concerns/70342622007/

The viewport was only certified by the manufacturer at 1300m, this guy was taking people down to 4000m. 

I don't like to really make comments on people just because they are "rich" or whatever and have the means to make these kinds of trips, but at this point...this company is shady AF, and I am not sure I'd part with any amount of money for this kind of thing. 

People who climb Everest (which has a 25% to 35% fatality rate, some years worse than others) I say the same thing. Your chances of dying are just too high, IMO. I dunno though, if I had the choice, I'd climb Everest rather than be trapped under several pounds of water pressure. The end just doesn't seem like it would be pretty. Everest you basically suffocate and freeze to death. I think these guys imploded. 

Even trying to rescue them at this point would be risky for people involved. 

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He was especially concerned about the vessel's 12-inch viewport. The lawsuit stated the viewport was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters and that the viewport manufacturer would only certify to a depth of 1,300 meters due to the experimental design of the viewport.

After meeting with the company about his concerns, Lochridge said he was fired and given ten minutes to clear out his desk and exit the premises. Lockridge and his wife filed a counterclaim and the suit was dismissed after the parties settled in November 2018. 

In a lawsuit filed in February by Marc and Sharon Hagle, the couple sought a refund of the money they paid OceanGate to dive to the Titanic in the submersible after their trip was canceled multiple times between 2017 and 2020 due to problems with the vessel.

Pogue said he signed a release form that explained Titan was "an experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma or death."

 

 

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9 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Patrice O'Neal had a great bit on just that topic.

 

One of the best bits ever. Top three comics EVER. Pryor, Murphy, Patrice. 

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Titanic - 2

Rich People - 0

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Just now, wiffleball said:

Tell that to Molly Brown

That's what they should have named their mini-sub. 

 

 

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Carbon fiber hull? How would that stand the pressure? Oof. 

I really feel for these guys, but what a negligent company. 

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On 6/21/2023 at 8:04 AM, BuckSwope said:

You still couldn't get laid in that situation. 

I see that HT has completely ignored your excellent post, as expected...

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12 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Carbon fiber hull? How would that stand the pressure? Oof. 

I really feel for these guys, but what a negligent company. 

Carbon Fiber is extremely strong, as well as being very light.  That's why it's used in supercars.  But it is brittle and can shatter when it fails.  I think the big problem with this design is using two different materials - Carbon Fiber and Titanium.  The Carbon Fiber was used for the main hull and the Titanium for the end caps.  The Carbon Fiber was like 5 inches thick.  It was probably fine handling the pressure.  But, Carbon Fiber and Titanium have different properties as far as flex, expansion/contraction due to temp/pressure, etc.....So with repeated dives I could easily see the point where those two materials meet becoming compromised.  The submersible wasn't certified by any of the organizations that certify those types of vehicles.  It was an accident waiting to happen.

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On 6/21/2023 at 8:04 AM, BuckSwope said:

You still couldn't get laid in that situation. 

No, I couldn’t. You could though, I understand there’s a teenage boy on board. 

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16 hours ago, BunnysBastatrds said:


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I miss Patrice.  I miss O&A

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13 minutes ago, Strike said:

Carbon Fiber is extremely strong, as well as being very light.  That's why it's used in supercars.  But it is brittle and can shatter when it fails.  I think the big problem with this design is using two different materials - Carbon Fiber and Titanium.  The Carbon Fiber was used for the main hull and the Titanium for the end caps.  The Carbon Fiber was like 5 inches thick.  It was probably fine handling the pressure.  But, Carbon Fiber and Titanium have different properties as far as flex, expansion/contraction due to temp/pressure, etc.....So with repeated dives I could easily see the point where those two materials meet becoming compromised.  The submersible wasn't certified by any of the organizations that certify those types of vehicles.  It was an accident waiting to happen.

:schwing: 

I love it when you talk nerdy. (I mean it). 

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Searching the watery grave of a ship, only to become the watery grave of a ship.  Ironic.

When the story broke Monday morning seemed they had a chance, but that was before hearing the logistical problems of retrieving the sub - let alone finding it... all within a few days. Became clear they had virtually no chance.

Somebody familiar with the operation said in interviews he didn't like the media's representation of this as a tourist ride, because "there's scientific research being completed during the dive." I guess, but do real scientists spend $250k apiece on research trips and bring along their 19 y.o. kid?  Clearly, there was more tourism to it than he cared to admit.

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10 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Searching the watery grave of a ship, only to become the watery grave of a ship.  Ironic.

 

I'm going to start a company that does expeditions to see the wreckage of the Titan submersible. 

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34 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'm going to start a company that does expeditions to see the wreckage of the Titan submersible. 

Good idea. Then I'll start a company that does expeditions to see the wreckage of the Mike Honcho submersible.

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Imagine if Elon Musk's peemus rocket exploded on the way to mars with 5 people in it?

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Search for bodies will continue but prospects unclear given challenging environment, US Coast Guard says

The search and recovery of the bodies of the passengers — believed to be dead after an apparent implosion of the missing Titanic-bound submersible — will continue despite a challenging environment, US Coast Guard Rear Adm. John Mauger said.

"This is a incredibly unforgiving environment down there on the sea floor," the official told reporters during a news briefing Thursday. "And the debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel, and so we'll continue to work and continue to search the area down there, but I don't have an answer for prospects at this time."

 

 

Well, that seems pretty pointless.

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12 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Well, that seems pretty pointless.

Agreed, they'll never find any bodies or even pieces.  So what's to be gained by recovering whatever's left of the sub?  The tiniest detail of what caused the implosion isn't worth risking lives or money.  Clearly the sub wasn't sufficiently engineered for those depths. Good enough.

Note to self... sell Ocean Gate stock.

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