Sound of Freedom

[BuckSwope 467]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You have to realize where the true lines are drawn to understand the war we are fighting.  Forget about left vs. Right or liberal vs. Conservatives.  The real battle lines are between big government-corporate establishment vs. the Individual.  This movie shows how big bureaucracies are cold ruthless failures and how individuals can better solve real problems in a humanistic way.   And that is why the corporate bureaucrats are throwing a hissy fit, it exposes them as the authoritarian cold bastards they are. 

You saw the movie too?

[TimHauck 1,480]

10 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

who is acting like its a documentary?

 

 

6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You have to realize where the true lines are drawn to understand the war we are fighting.  Forget about left vs. Right or liberal vs. Conservatives.  The real battle lines are between big government-corporate establishment vs. the Individual.  This movie shows how big bureaucracies are cold ruthless failures and how individuals can better solve real problems in a humanistic way.   And that is why the corporate bureaucrats are throwing a hissy fit, it exposes them as the authoritarian cold bastards they are. 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,212]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

No, what is being criticized is their Q beliefs, how the foundation is run, and if it's doing what they claim it's doing.  They aren't bashing that someone is dedicating their lives to helping kids or addressing child trafficking. 

 

Q beliefs you don’t really believe that nonsense do you?  I mean I get that gutter boy has his Q sh1t but I don’t think you do. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,212]

13 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

What a charitable guy.

The work they do is being questioned, as it should.

Yep why should I. Every single organization is sh1t.  I give to people who directly need things. All non profits take huge cuts off the top

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

52 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Awesome, I'm glad the movie is doing that.   That doesn't mean the foundation they are telling people to donate to is a worthwhile use of people's money.  I have 0 question that he is passionate about the topic and commend him for starting up something to tackle the issue.   But there are a lot of foundations I would tell people to research and I always encourage to look into it before giving their money to a cause (look into some of the big cancer foundations).  The dude's politics and beliefs aside, IF it's true that 50%+ of the money isn't being touched and a good portion of the rest is being used for other things, don't you want to know that?  It happens all the time with charities - they get big, bloated, and a ton of money goes back to the people founding it, employees, advertising.  If you are donating money and don't look into where it goes, I don't know what to tell you.   

 

 

 

You've moved the goal posts several times. 

The exact same activist left leaning MSM that is denouncing Sound Of Freedom right now were caught red handed giving hard cover for Epstein

If the MSM says don't watch Sound Of Freedom, just like they said don't watch Hillbilly Elegy ( Did they really believe the majority of America would see Amy Adams as some kind of "right wing zealot"?), are you going to blame people here for giving Tim Ballard the benefit of the doubt? 

[BuckSwope 467]

31 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Q beliefs you don’t really believe that nonsense do you?  I mean I get that gutter boy has his Q sh1t but I don’t think you do. 

I can't speak for the directors beliefs or the man the movie is based on, I don't know a ton about them, but yes- I know Jimmy C believes some weird sh1t .  

 I have 0 issue with people avoiding the movie because of the people attached to it- that happens all the time.  

I have 0 issue of people questioning and pointing out how the money being ask for is used.  Again, smart and happens all the time. 

It's funny watching the above turn into "libs don't want to address child trafficking!! Pedos!" .  F0cking stupid. 

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

19 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

You saw the movie too?

 

 

 

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

I can't speak for the directors beliefs or the man the movie is based on, I don't know a ton about them, but yes- I know Jimmy C believes some weird .  

 I have 0 issue with people avoiding the movie because of the people attached to it- that happens all the time.  

I have 0 issue of people questioning and pointing out how the money being ask for is used.  Again, smart and happens all the time. 

It's funny watching the above turn into "libs don't want to address child trafficking!! Pedos!" .  F0cking stupid. 

 

 

 

Amy Robach was caught discussing Epstein. She was not a leak or the leak. The network waited for a bit, for the dust to settle, then got rid of her anyway. 

A rank and file staffer claims they were not the leak, but they were blamed for it anyway and was fired. 

You're "defending the tribe" here. 

Ballard may or may not be a grifter. He's very likely one. I'm a Conservative saying that. However it doesn't mean the issues he's bringing up are suddenly meritless. And that's what you are trying to push here. You've moved the goal posts several times. You are conflating "liberals" with "leftists" when it's expedient to say it can't be all of them. No one thinks "it's ALL OF THEM"  That's egregious logical fallacy bombing in it's worst form. 

Do I believe "liberals" are running hard cover for pedophiles? No

Do I believe "leftists", especially the activist radical kind, are running hard cover for pedophiles? Ask Amy Robach. Ask what happened to her career. Ask her if she realizes now that her life was in danger the entire time she previously investigated the story. 

[jonmx 1,002]

Lol...leftist love their pedophiles.  

[Sean Mooney 1,113]

Jim Caviezel absolutely believes in some of the crazier QAnon theories and has espoused them numerous times in multiple interviews. That's just a fact. There are some people using that fact to rail against his movie. That is obviously short sighted thinking. Just because the lead actor might be crazy, or the person it is based on might believe crazy things- does not mean the overall cause of the movie should be ignored.

But again- this is common and has unfortunately become a part of discussing movies because everything has to be political in nature. There is a whole thread that is 85+ pages long that features people decrying a movie because of some aspect in the messaging. 

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

14 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I can't speak for the directors beliefs or the man the movie is based on, I don't know a ton about them, but yes- I know Jimmy C believes some weird .  

 I have 0 issue with people avoiding the movie because of the people attached to it- that happens all the time.  

I have 0 issue of people questioning and pointing out how the money being ask for is used.  Again, smart and happens all the time. 

It's funny watching the above turn into "libs don't want to address child trafficking!! Pedos!" .  F0cking stupid. 

 

 

 

James O'Keefe, who arranged for the acquisition and the leak of said Robach video, that caused the domino effect in the national daily media cycle to FORCE investigation into Prince Andrew, was later raided by the FBI. They were "alleged" to have seized electronic devices and materials OUTSIDE the bounds of their actual warrant. 

The same activist left leaning corrupt MSM that REFUSED to cover the Epstein story until their hand was literally forced to do so is also telling everyone right now to NOT watch Sound Of Freedom. 

[GutterBoy 1,935]

12 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Lol...leftist love their pedophiles.  

This is when you know they lost the argument and aren't interested in serious discussion 

[Dizkneelande 591]

22 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Jim Caviezel absolutely believes in some of the crazier QAnon theories and has espoused them numerous times in multiple interviews. That's just a fact. There are some people using that fact to rail against his movie. That is obviously short sighted thinking. Just because the lead actor might be crazy, or the person it is based on might believe crazy things- does not mean the overall cause of the movie should be ignored.

But again- this is common and has unfortunately become a part of discussing movies because everything has to be political in nature. There is a whole thread that is 85+ pages long that features people decrying a movie because of some aspect in the messaging. 

What have you heard come out of his mouth that draws you to your conclusions?

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

25 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I can't speak for the directors beliefs or the man the movie is based on, I don't know a ton about them, but yes- I know Jimmy C believes some weird .  

 I have 0 issue with people avoiding the movie because of the people attached to it- that happens all the time.  

I have 0 issue of people questioning and pointing out how the money being ask for is used.  Again, smart and happens all the time. 

It's funny watching the above turn into "libs don't want to address child trafficking!! Pedos!" .  F0cking stupid. 

 

 

 

 

Jean Luc Brunel, a Epstein crony, was found "hanged by suicide" in his own cell. 

Epstein was also "alleged to have committed suicide"   Under what context? The video feed in the area and in his cell "malfunctioned" His cellmate was moved/released. His guards were "asleep" No one wants to answer any questions. It's become impossible to hide that Epstein was blackmailing high profile billionaires, like Bill Gates. And powerful international figures like Prince Andrew. 

“Name three things that don’t hang themselves. Drywall, Christmas ornaments, and Jeffrey Epstein”  - Senator John Kennedy

As soon as the Epstein story could no longer be contained in the national daily media cycle AND the international daily media cycle, people who were too public to be killed lost their jobs, and those that knew too much were clearly assassinated, no matter how egregious the actual details of said "alleged suicides" became. How far up the political, government and power food chain do you have to go to orchestrate a hit on someone as notorious as Jeffrey Epstein in his specific lock up facility? 

The same activist MSM who tried to bury the Epstein story, and made it go away as fast as possible once it couldn't be contained, are the same people telling you now that you shouldn't watch Sound Of Freedom.  And yet you wonder why many people are, right here and now, giving Tim Ballard the benefit of the doubt. AT MINIMUM, having national name brand recognition, makes it close to impossible to just outright kill Ballard in current times. Not on US soil. It's hard to shout out about "tin foil hats" when I keep shoving receipts in your face. 

Take care of your back, Swope, it's heavy lifting for you to keep moving those goal posts around again and again. 

[Sean Mooney 1,113]

2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

What have you heard come out of his mouth that draws you to your conclusions?

He's made statements about sex traffickers take adrenalin from children's blood in a satanic ritual.

He even said he saw the ritual.

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

This is when you know they lost the argument and aren't interested in serious discussion 

 

 

Joe Rogan, who has a massive platform, his podcast is downloaded in the hundreds of millions every month, kept going on about Epstein. He also had guests like Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Malone and others on that enraged the DNC. Suddenly he's being smeared and defamed about the "horse dewormer" controversy. Just like when Elon Musk was bracketed when he no longer fit the narrative. Just like JK Rowling. Just like Dave Chappelle. Just like Piers Morgan. Just like many others. 

By whom? The same activist left leaning MSM that provided hard cover for Epstein in the first place. Which dovetailed into trying protect big names like Bill Gates and Prince Andrew. Who are also now trying to tell you to NOT watch Sound Of Freedom. 

To "defend the tribe" some of you are running actual deflection for pedophiles. That's great Gutterboy, you do that, you keep trying to run interference for the benefit of pedophiles so you can keep shining your Team Blue Merit Badge. 

[Dizkneelande 591]

35 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He's made statements about sex traffickers take adrenalin from children's blood in a satanic ritual.

He even said he saw the ritual.

So you find it hard to believe that wealthy elites would seek out the fountain of youth like they haven’t been doing that for thousands of years? There’s video of people from planned parenthood negotiating body parts specifically thymus glands and livers which are the parts it’s harvested from. Weird though how all you corporate media cultists come here everyday and spew their talking points. Lenin coined a term for that. 

[GutterBoy 1,935]

19 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

What have you heard come out of his mouth that draws you to your conclusions?

Here is Jim Cavizel talking about harvesting andrenochrome from the blood of children to drink, at a Qanon conference.

 

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He's made statements about sex traffickers take adrenalin from children's blood in a satanic ritual.

He even said he saw the ritual.

 

 

 

 

"He even said he saw the ritual."

 

Which is somehow less strange to you than coordination by the activist complicit hard left leaning MSM plus Big Social Media and Hollywood to run hard cover for what appears to be a sexual trafficking ring, that includes children, that spans into America's most famous current billionaires ( one of whom is buying up all the farmland and wants Americans to eat bugs) plus the British Monarchy and an endless rash of "deaths" and "suicides" plus the "cancelling" of anyone who dares talk about it. 

Somehow Jim Caviezel talking about something he saw is magically suspect in the backdrop of all this? 

And this is the basis to denounce everything being claimed here by Tim Ballard and enough to demand the general public from watching Sound Of Freedom? 

[HellToupee 350]

I’m waiting to make a decision on Caviezal until I read the rolling stone hit piece, just need it to come out

[KSB2424 2,790]

17 minutes ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

Joe Rogan, who has a massive platform, his podcast is downloaded in the hundreds of millions every month, kept going on about Epstein. He also had guests like Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert Malone and others on that enraged the DNC. Suddenly he's being smeared and defamed about the "horse dewormer" controversy. Just like when Elon Musk was bracketed when he no longer fit the narrative. Just like JK Rowling. Just like Dave Chappelle. Just like Piers Morgan. Just like many others. 

By whom? The same activist left leaning MSM that provided hard cover for Epstein in the first place. Which dovetailed into trying protect big names like Bill Gates and Prince Andrew. Who are also now trying to tell you to NOT watch Sound Of Freedom. 

To "defend the tribe" some of you are running actual deflection for pedophiles. That's great Gutterboy, you do that, you keep trying to run interference for the benefit of pedophiles so you can keep shining your Team Blue Merit Badge. 

This a fair and accurate post.  

[RLLD 2,988]

Where I observe forceful opposition from liberals toward something I correlate that what they oppose must be rather accurate.

From my observations the ferocity of liberal opposition is congruent with the level of veracity of that which they oppose.

Truth, objective reality, is an anathema to liberalism.

 

[zsasz 107]

Human trafficking and child enslavement is something that EVERYONE should be able to come down on. Unfortunately for those victims, the people that are most passionate about stamping it out are some of the most easily susceptible to outlandish claims of "blood drinking" and "pizza parlors"  Their silliness mitigates the seriousness of the crime.  Their politicization of this also undermines the legitimacy of their passion. Am I to believe that a guy like Donald Trump....who has pictures with Epstein, who donated to the Clintons, who was a Democrat and who walked within these corridors of power for years ...is now all of a sudden some Crusader for this?  The same with other Republican politicians.  They're not involved in any way?

"Only Nixon could go to China". 

If the power brokers and influencers on the Right who supposedly are standing up to this; the Donald Trumps, the Jim Jordans, the Matt Gaetzs were serious about how we all should be defeating this; then they need to start by focusing that magnifying glass on their own Party, their own churches and mega donors who exist in the shadows.  If Trump and Co. supported a perp walk for a pervert Pastor....I'd be more willing to listen to them in regards to Hollywood.  If they came to the political negotiating table and said "everything else doesn't matter....lets knock this out; and to show how serious we are; just to get your support; we'll acquiese on some political points that we've dug in on". 

They won't.  Because at the end of the day, they don't care enough about the victims AND (more importantly) realize that the politicalization of this is a money maker for them.  

[RogerDodger 595]

43 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He's made statements about sex traffickers take adrenalin from children's blood in a satanic ritual.

He even said he saw the ritual.

Oh man. Good thing you're out their defending the sex traffickers then. 

[BuckSwope 467]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Where I observe forceful opposition from liberals toward something I correlate that what they oppose must be rather accurate.

From my observations the ferocity of liberal opposition is congruent with the level of veracity of that which they oppose.

Truth, objective reality, is an anathema to liberalism.

 

Exactly- you view everything as L v R.  Or at least you post as though you do.  We don't have the same base outlook on a issue.  We don't talk the same language.  

Do don't seem to want to read or process rational explanations for a lot of the push back- you simply view a pushback as confirmation of what, I'm not sure?  As a group libs support child trafficking, pedos, what? 

I mean it can't be similar to reasons people don't see a Spike Lee movie or Micheal Moore movie, or didn't watch Cuties.  It must be support of pedos!! 

[Mike Hunt 111]

1 hour ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

 

 

You've moved the goal posts several times. 

The exact same activist left leaning MSM that is denouncing Sound Of Freedom right now were caught red handed giving hard cover for Epstein

If the MSM says don't watch Sound Of Freedom, just like they said don't watch Hillbilly Elegy ( Did they really believe the majority of America would see Amy Adams as some kind of "right wing zealot"?), are you going to blame people here for giving Tim Ballard the benefit of the doubt? 

 

I have never seen those videos.   Unreal when you think about it.  

There is no doubt Epstein now that was murdered in jail.

[Sean Mooney 1,113]

40 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

So you find it hard to believe that wealthy elites would seek out the fountain of youth like they haven’t been doing that for thousands of years? There’s video of people from planned parenthood negotiating body parts specifically thymus glands and livers which are the parts it’s harvested from. Weird though how all you corporate media cultists come here everyday and spew their talking points. Lenin coined a term for that. 

I think it's stupid to think and even stupider to believe. 

[Mike Hunt 111]

When reporter Amy Roebach from GMA said she had them all nailed including the Clintons it is mind blowing at what gets buried by the MSM

[BuckSwope 467]

Please tell me you guys understand the difference between liberals and liberal media.   

Again, we don't even seem to use the same language or alphabet in these "discussions".

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,212]

6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Please tell me you guys understand the difference between liberals and liberal media.   

Again, we don't even seem to use the same language or alphabet in these "discussions".

Liberals are enablers. And liberal media is atop the leftist cult. Liberals who vote for Biden over trump for example as the lessor of two evils. Just like libertarians who vote for trump for the same reason. In the end that’s where we fall

[Hardcore troubadour 10,932]

On 7/12/2023 at 8:51 AM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

And to follow up. California which idiots like @The Real timschochet love has just gone full pedo

https://www.foxla.com/news/state-assembly-committee-blocks-bill-that-would-increase-penalties-for-trafficking-minors.amp

Gutterboy, Mooney Math and Buck Dope are more worked up about a movie than this. Says a lot. 

[GutterBoy 1,935]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutterboy and Buck Dope are more worked up about a movie than this. Says a lot. 

huh?  I don't know anything about this.

[Hardcore troubadour 10,932]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

huh?  I don't know anything about this.

Exactly.  

[BuckSwope 467]

11 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Liberals are enablers. And liberal media is atop the leftist cult. Liberals who vote for Biden over trump for example as the lessor of two evils. Just like libertarians who vote for trump for the same reason. In the end that’s where we fall

Like I said, we don't operate on the same base outlook.  0 chance we agree on much. 

[GutterBoy 1,935]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Exactly.  

now you're getting on me for not reading every post, every link and stating my position on all of it?

Man you are a creepy weird dude.

How about this, my position is that pedos are bad, human trafficking is bad, and you can apply that to everything, no need to call me out anymore.  Got it?

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutterboy, Mooney Math and Buck Dope are more worked up about a movie than this. Says a lot. 

 

Do you remember back in the early 90s when the NFC Championship Game really decided who would win the Super Bowl? It was usually the Cowboys or the 49ers. And the 49ers signed Marquez Pope from the Rams, then converted him to cornerback, to try to stop Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper. 

Pope was a run stopping safety who had chronic turf toe. And the 49ers actually had a mostly stellar defense except for glaring holes at cornerback. Pope looked like a savior next to Tyrone Drakeford and Dana Hall. 

The paper thin coverage that Gutter, Mooney and Buck Swope are pushing now? Flashbacks to Pope trying to keep up with Michael Irvin. Flailing arms. Falling down with no contact. Human toast. 

Look at them move the goal posts. It clearly didn't take much for them to show how much they hate children to "defend the tribe" 

[Blue Horseshoe 243]

57 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Please tell me you guys understand the difference between liberals and liberal media.   

Again, we don't even seem to use the same language or alphabet in these "discussions".

 

 

I know the difference between a "liberal" and a "leftist"

I know many traditional liberals in real life. Many are good people. Many are just trying to get by, day to day, and pay their rent and put food on the table for their children. Many are intelligent, thoughtful, honest and fair. They want what most people want - Good schools, safe streets, opportunity for their kids, a pathway that rewards merit and hope for the future. I have a lot of love in my heart for many traditional liberals. They don't see everything the way I do, we don't always agree on politics, but the difference belongs on how to solve certain problems, not that the end goal is different. 

However, leftists, especially the activist hard left leaning radical leftists, want this country to burn to the ground. They have no boundaries. They don't build anything themselves, they only seek to destroy what other people have created. And now they have become essentially state sanctioned social and cultural terrorists endorsed by Team Blue. They are parasites in the worst possible form. Again, you are rolling out as many logical fallacies as possible to try to "push/pull" the idea that anything that the Sound Of Freedom covers must encompass some kind of sweeping generalization. 

The activist complicit MSM is run by leftists. ( It's evident how desperate they were to keep the Epstein scandal hidden from public view) You are clearly a leftist. That's your choice. Our society doesn't embrace you, it simply tolerates you. Do you think after all your deflection for the benefit of actual pedophiles, that anyone here would want you near their children? 

Why not let the general public watch Sound Of Freedom and come to their own conclusions?  Why is the activist MSM so doggedly opposed to that? You can't answer that. Because it would have to unpack the entire concept of the principles of actual freedom. 

Being a liberal does not automatically make one a pedophile. 

However being a leftist means no parent will want you within a thousand feet of their children. 

[League Champion 1,236]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 10,932]

If you care about child sex trafficking, you can start by voting for candidates that will tighten up the border.  If you don’t, then just keep voting for democrats. Pretty simple. 

[JustinCharge 2,333]

On 7/14/2023 at 7:32 AM, BuckSwope said:

Like I said, we don't operate on the same base outlook.  0 chance we agree on much. 

you are either moving towards big government or not.  thats the only true dividing line. if you want to draw a distinction between liberals and leftists, there really is none as both move towards big government.